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12:33 AM
@AlanMunn I'd still be interested in seeing what a recent Acrobat Pro gives for a low level PDF analysis for the MWE at github.com/pgf-tikz/pgf/issues/824. Otherwise, I need to keep trying to figure out what is wrong with the file I'm sending to my printer. Thanks for being willing to look at it!
 
 
5 hours later…
5:50 AM
\DeclareFixedFont{\ttm}{T1}{txtt}{m}{n}{12}
what are options for declarefixedfont?
I know \ttm is a font family, and 12 is the font size
what are the rest
 
6:10 AM
I have a little macro that consumes a list of things and produces something else, a tikz path, and I want to do now (using tikz) something like «\draw \myMacro{x,y,q,x,a,y};»
How exactly can I do that?
My original plan was something like «\edef\tmp{\myMacro{blah}}\draw\edef;» but the problem is that as \myMacro eats the list it keeps a state stored using \def's, and that is nonexandable, so \edef does not do anything...
FWIW, the code is


    \makeatletter
    \def\process#1{%
      \def\s@last{x}
      (0,0)
      \s@go#1
    }
    \def\s@go#1#2{
      node {$#1$}
      \let\s@next\s@go
      \if#2u
        \if#2\s@last ++(0,1)\else++(1,1)\fi
      \else\if#2d
        \if#2\s@last ++(0,-1)\else++(1,-1)\fi
      \else
        \let\s@next\relax
      \fi\fi
      \def\s@last{#2}
      \s@next
    }
    \makeatother

and the call I'd like to make is «\draw \process{1u2u3u4d5d6d7x};»
 
6:27 AM
Adding the state as an argument (monads FTW!) one gets the following:
    \makeatletter
    \def\process#1{%
      (0,0)
      \s@go s#1
    }
    \def\s@done#1{;}
    \def\s@go#1#2#3{
      node {$#2$}
      \let\s@next\s@go
      \if#3u
        ++\if#3#1 (0,1)\else(1,1)\fi
      \else\if#3d
        ++\if#3#1 (0,-1)\else(1,-1)\fi
      \else\if#3x
        \let\s@next\s@done
      \fi\fi\fi
      \s@next#3
    }
    \makeatother

Still, I don't know how to pass this to tikz's \draw :-/
 
 
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7:49 AM
quack
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer no \ttm is the arbitrary name that you define on that line then txtt if the family m the series n is the shape so it's just a shorthand for \fontencoding{T1}\fontfamily{txtt}\fontseries{m}\fontshape{n}\fontsize{12}{\baselineskip}\selectfont
this question deserves more than a couple of votes, it's not every day someone finds a bug in tex the program:-)
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Q: How to interpret ``underfull'' warnings in alignment?

Igor LiferenkoI'm trying to figure out why there are warnings for 125pt case of AT&T table example in TeXbook. While trying to understand the meaning of these warnings, I came across p.302 of TeXbook, that says: For example, suppose you say ‘\tabskip=0pt plus10pt \halign to200pt{&#\hfil\cr...\cr}’, and ...

 
@DavidCarlisle voted :)
@DavidCarlisle meanwhile, zero bugs in your packages. :)
 
@PauloCereda naturally
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
8:04 AM
oh sorry I missed your earlier comment @PauloCereda
@PauloCereda dinner
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
8:22 AM
@DavidCarlisle It doesn't work. I get postscript errors (both with texlive and miktex). Does it work for you?
Error: /undefined in defproduct
Operand stack:
   BPToDvips   --nostringval--
 
8:57 AM
@egreg I've made a start on the renames: going to take a while as there are a lot, and I don't want to over-do it
 
@DavidCarlisle that baselineskip is what I was looking for! thank you :-)
@DavidCarlisle up-voted both the bug finder and bug killer!
I like the comments on contributors to this site:
 
@UlrikeFischer oh I posted the version without that fixed? there should be no % after the def on the previous line, let me check the version in the answer
@UlrikeFischer I think the one in the answer should be OK, in the comment above I only posted the test but in the answer I also deleted a % from the previous line.
@EnthusiasticEngineer it doesn't actually set the baselineskip to baselineskip in that way (it just doesn't touch the baseline setting at all) but there isn't a user level command to set the font size that doesn't have a second argument so that's the easiest way to think of it
 
9:33 AM
@AkiraKakuto thanks for looking at the hyperref patch:-)
 
TeXplate is out, yay!
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@DavidCarlisle I used it with a code to set paragraph density at it did not work... listing is tough in working with bold font and setting paragraph parameters... did it with some other codes instead
 
10:32 AM
@egreg See edits :)
Of course, as soon as one starts updating answers to adjust for one change, you spot other things to fix ...
 
11:12 AM
@DavidCarlisle Could you find out where does the error come from?
 
Hi people, Long ago, there was a query on the forum on drawing funny/beautiful "last"slides of beamer presentation, instead of the regular "thank you"slide. If I remember right, it had answers on drawing the Looney Toons "That's all folks" logo, MGM's lion and so on. I tried searching on the main site, but couldnt find the question. By any chance, is it deleted?
 
@GermanShepherd I really don't seem to recall a question like this... but it might be simply a background image with some text over it...
 
@PauloCereda Do you have any funny last slide ideas? for a semi-formal talk to engineers
 
@GermanShepherd let me check. :)
 
11:26 AM
@PhelypeOleinik Yes :) cant thank you enough!
How exactly did you find it? I tried searching for fun,beamer, tikz..
 
@GermanShepherd I Googled “looney tunes site:tex.stackexchange.com”
@GermanShepherd Third result for me
 
@PhelypeOleinik that explains it.. I searched only in the site. Thanks again!
@PauloCereda I still want to know your answer though ;)
 
@GermanShepherd You're welcome :-) I somehow can't properly use the site's search mechanism... Google still works best for me
 
@GermanShepherd well, the only funny thing I found was "thank you very much" written in Latin for a keynote about Gregorian chants... :)
 
@PhelypeOleinik see Igor's comment under my answer, looks like it just fails to set the subclass of the glue node
 
11:32 AM
@PhelypeOleinik :)
@PauloCereda oh..thats a good one! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, there! That day I got stuck looking at the loop in @<Scan the preamble...@>, because it does @<Append the current tabskip glue...@> once for each preamble column, so one \tabskip is missing in that part. Though it doesn't make much sense, after all the final \tabskip is added...
@DavidCarlisle This Igor guy is really committed into learning TeX :-)
 
@GermanShepherd nice idea :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik yep:-)
 
I am just polishing my research papers and reports to send them for my professor and I am nervous I may have no-needed white space or extra useless packages! :(((
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer it is of course more important to get the white space right than the results of your research, the results don't matter so long as they are typeset nicely.
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11:56 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
12:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think we all agree that nice typesetting is important.
 
Jan 8 '18 at 11:16, by David Carlisle
@HaraldHanche-Olsen who cares about the typeset output so long as the log is clean? :-)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Haha, good one!
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer you could just blame @UlrikeFischer
 
12:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)) exactly! I did all my drawings in tikz! I love them that much that I can not even close my pdf viewer!
@Skillmon for white spaces?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Clean logs? What's that?
I mean, what's a little overflow between friends?
@EnthusiasticEngineer Wow. You really are Enthusiastic.
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer for everything.
 
@FaheemMitha It is my name :))
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer You used TikZ, not picture mode? Don't let @DavidCarlisle see this.
 
@Skillmon I hear there is also something called MetaFun.
Everyone should check it out. Maybe it's Fun.
 
12:54 PM
@Skillmon Once I thought @JosephWright was so much sensitive on extra white spaces...
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer but he is the one developing new stuff, not the one who's to blame.
 
@Skillmon he has already lots of reasons to kill me! AND he already killed me for \textbf!
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer You used \textbf? What's the issue with that?
 
@Skillmon I am not so professional in tex... months ago, I used to code \bf{} to make things bold, he killed me for such simple reason and now I never use any code except \textbf!
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer where did you learn about \bf in the first place? That one is obsolete in LaTeX since like my birth.
 
12:59 PM
even on my daily tasks like calling my name: \textEnthusiastic \textEngineer!
 
@Skillmon obsolete advice never dies
 
@Skillmon In my first documents the first days I started searching for some sample latex documents, I had seen such code...
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer If you want to group you can use {\bfseries ...}
 
@mickep aha... thank you :)
 
@mickep the \text.. macros do more than that though.
 
1:06 PM
@EnthusiasticEngineer but now we will complain that you are using a font change like \textbf
@Skillmon don't say that, you will make @egreg feel old.
 
@DavidCarlisle why? :((
 
@DavidCarlisle yeah, instead of speaking names like \thisshouldbeboldbecauseitsimportant.
 
@Skillmon ConTeXt?
@Skillmon \dododoindeedsomething ;)
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@EnthusiasticEngineer The LaTeX police diktat states that if you have an explicit font change or space in your document then something is wrong. \textbf{zzzz} is bad \section{zzz} is good.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh zzz
 
1:08 PM
@JosephWright I thought it was {\bf ...} in ConTeXt :)
 
@Skillmon exactly
 
@Skillmon Oh, I did not know!
 
@mickep It is, I was thinking of the internals of lots of ConTeXt macros, which are often \thing, \dothing, \dodothing, \dothingindeed
 
@DavidCarlisle not to confuse with \thisshouldbeboldbecauseitsinteresting.
 
1:09 PM
@JosephWright Ohh, yes!
 
@DavidCarlisle :|||||
 
@mickep they also apply italic correction automatically where necessary.
 
110
Q: Does it matter if I use \textit or \it, \bfseries or \bf, etc

KeithBI typically use \textit{Some italicized text} while some of my colleagues use {\it Some other text} Should I bother changing one or the other, or does it matter? Related: Is there any reason not to use \let to redefine a deprecated control sequence to the currently recommended one?

 
@EnthusiasticEngineer The answers there rather miss the point discussing whether one should use a "deprecated" command like \it. \it and \bf are not deprecated they are not defined in latex (and haven't been since 1993). Some classes may define them for compatibility with latex2.09 but others (notably koma script ones) do not.
 
@DavidCarlisle I remember once you said me \bf \it etc are TeX commands not LaTeX. Why LaTeX developers did not use similar code tags so that such misunderstandings do not happen? I mean, when they could update existing code for bolding text \bf, why did they use or name a new syntax?
 
1:19 PM
@EnthusiasticEngineer a very early pre-release of NFSS had an option to do that but it was not kept when we added it to latex2e as it proved too confusing. \bf always picks the same font, so aa \it bbb \bf ccc the ccc is not bold italic it is bold upright. NFSS added the commands aaa \itshape bbb \bffamily ccc where the shape can change to italic and the weight can change to bold while keeping italic. The option to make the two letter commands work like the new one changed too many documents
@EnthusiasticEngineer so they were dropped from the core and the standard classes declared them to work as a close approximation to what they did before so \bf is defiend to be \normalfont\bfseries so it is always the bold version of the main document font not the bold version of the current font
 
@DavidCarlisle aha... thanks :-)
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer ignore typos in the above \bffamily isn't a command:-) but I think the intention of what I wrote is clear
 
@DavidCarlisle yes it was clear and perfect. :)
 
Hello there! Can I ask a quick question about tables and colors?
 
@Broxigar You can ask ;)
 
1:34 PM
So, I am writing a tool to convert csv files to latex tables.
In which specific cell values will be mapped to specific colors.
So for example if the matrix cell has the sign % will be mapped to green if it has ^ will be mapped to red
etc.
So which is the best way to color a specific cell in a table?
\cellcolor{color}{vals} ?
 
@Broxigar for background yes that (or use tikzmatrix instead of colortbl based tables)
@Broxigar see for example
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Q: LaTeX Tables: Cell value color based on its sign / conditional cell color

MYaseen208I've a long LaTeX document with many tables. Now I want to show negative values in cell in red color. I wonder how to do globally. My MWE is below: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \begin{tabular}{ l c r } 1 & 2 & 3 \\ -4 & 5 & 6 \\ 7 & 8 & -9 \\ \end{tabular} \end{document} E...

 
ooh TeXplate is out of the list of unprocessed uploads...
 
1:50 PM
Thanks a lot
 
Anyone else following
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A: Firing Community Managers: StackExchange is not interested in cooperating with the community, is it?

Juan MYou all should know that this is very hard for us. This is what I am able to share: As you have seen, today there were some changes on the Community Team. Out of respect for their privacy, we aren’t able to comment on any specific current or former employees. We’re seeking to align the company...

and wondering what's been going on?
Seems the Powers are having issues
 
@Skillmon Yeah, I've seen those
@Skillmon I've had some dealing with both of them (years ago, when TeX-sx was new), so I'm surpised
 
2:06 PM
ooh teh drama
 
@JosephWright hit the record of down-votes?
 
ooh teh plot
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer not even close, I think.
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer Oh, no, that's one of the 'Monica' posts I think
 
why do they fire their moderators, when sites contents are perfectly maintained by their admins?... this won't help the site grow, in my opinion.
 
2:09 PM
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Q: Update: an agreement with Monica Cellio

Sara ChippsStack Overflow and Monica Cellio have come to an agreement. We believe that Ms. Cellio was not acting with malicious intent. We believe she did not understand all of the nuances and full intent and meaning of our Code of Conduct and was confused about what actions it required and forbade. We ac...

 
@EnthusiasticEngineer We don't know all or even many of the details, beyond the 'Monica issues' ^^^
 
@Skillmon wow... the op should have won a gold badge :))
 
@JosephWright ooh the plot thickens
 
@DavidCarlisle Reviewing the 'case changing' questions, I wonder how long before we add \cs_gset_eq:NN \MakeUppercase \text_uppercase:n ;)
 
@JosephWright for textcase package could probably do that now. for makeuppercase itself it depends if trashing math is a bug or a feature. It may possibly be a feature, in which case you'd need to use \MakeTextUppercase as the 2e name
 
2:20 PM
@JosephWright Wouldn't it be better to have a note for users of older distributions that the name has changed?
 
@PhelypeOleinik and in 20 years from today we'd still get bug reports about some ancient MasterDoctoralThesis class that behaves weird for uppercasing.
 
@Skillmon Well, AMS classes are still using \uppercase.
 
@Skillmon :)
 
@egreg qed.
@egreg there was such a question with an AMS class couple of months ago, iirc.
 
@Skillmon ooh rabbit math
 
2:27 PM
@Skillmon From that point of view, yes. Though people who write classes with commands from the Experimental section should show that they might need to adjust. Unfortunately we all know that doesn't happen most of the time
 
@Skillmon I believe so.
 
@Skillmon I was thinking from the point of view of the user which just copy/pastes the code without knowing what it means, and then the code just doesn't work (I was one of these, just a couple of years ago :)
 
Hi there. Maybe someone here knows. A few months ago I saw a new tool for adding an autogenerated bibliography to a personal website. You just provide the bib file and it does it for you, nicely, with links, personalised ordering, search function, etc. I just can't find it.
any help welcome
 
@PauloCereda quod erat digerandum
 
2:30 PM
Good old times, thinking that code \makeatletter was not actually LaTeX code :-)
 
JAPAN ROCKS
 
@PhelypeOleinik I know what you mean, I just started coding in (La)TeX that much when I wrote my bachelor thesis in 2016. It then took me until late August 2017 to hand it in. After all, LaTeX is the best procrastinating thing I found so far :)
Speaking of which, @PauloCereda, how's your thesis going?
 
@Skillmon oh no
/quacks in despair
 
@Skillmon exactly :))
 
@PauloCereda don't worry, evening meal will soon be prepared
 
2:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle phew
OH WAIT
OH NO
 
yo'
Monica Cellio replying to Shog9 leaving StackOverflow:
Over the years we often disagreed, sometimes argued, got very frustrated with each other -- but it happened because we both cared deeply, and I felt we had productive discussions (and arguments sometimes). Diversity means encountering perspectives other than your own and I think that benefited us both. I learned from you and I hope we continue to interact. — Monica Cellio 18 hours ago
 
@PhelypeOleinik There are about 100 questions to cover: I think a single 'the names have changed' question might be best. Do you want to ask/answer or should I?
 
@JosephWright get @egreg to post the question.
 
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps we'll never change it, it was just an idea
 
@JosephWright did you trace what happened to the tools build?
 
2:55 PM
@JosephWright I can do it. I'll just finish lunch first
 
@DavidCarlisle No: when I try it on my VM, all seems to be OK. I'm planning to re-install the VM this evening and work from a fresh set up
 
@JosephWright is there any reason for expl3 doing (the equivalent of) \def\q_stop{\q_stop} instead of \def\q_stop{\q_stop_expanded_error} (with \q_stop_expanded_error undefined)? That would still be a unique meaning, but wouldn't result in an endless loop.
 
@Skillmon Yes: it wouldn't be equal to itself
@Skillmon \def\foo{\q_stop}\ifx\foo\q_stop
@Skillmon With the self-referencing definition, you can compare a tl to the marker and see if the tl contains just the marker
 
@JosephWright oh, since I try to avoid assignments so much, I haven't thought of this :)
 
@Skillmon It goes back a long way, well before we were using the string-based comparisons (under which circumstances the quark tests are a lot more important)
 
3:08 PM
@JosephWright @Skillmon quarks pre-date me joining the project so probably the 1980s.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh old people
 
2 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@Skillmon don't say that, you will make @egreg feel old.
 
3:23 PM
@Skillmon Fast learner. Apparently.
@PhelypeOleinik Also a fast learner.
 
@FaheemMitha depends. There is stuff I learn fast, and then there is stuff that isn't LaTeX.
 
Well, either that, or you're both lying, and have extensive TeX experience going back many years.
 
@FaheemMitha before I wrote my thesis I had two or three small documents done in LaTeX. But after that I only wrote one report not in LaTeX, and that was because I was the only LaTeX user in a group of 6. So, no, I started more or less in late 2016. From my profile "Member for 3 years, 2 months".
 
@Skillmon power rabbit :)
 
@Skillmon Well,it's very impressive. I've been using TeX (in the form of LaTeX) since the mid-1990s. I guess I'm a very slow learner.
 
3:53 PM
@FaheemMitha I've been using LaTeX for almost as long as @Skillmon. My first question in the site (here) was at the time I was writing my bachelor's thesis. At the time I didn't know what a space at the end of a line was for, so you can see I'm not lying :-)
@FaheemMitha I used LaTeX before that (since about 2015), but it was just for writing (who even uses LaTeX for that? :-), and did it in the basis of taking other people's templates and just replacing their text for mine
 
@PhelypeOleinik I remember that I did start with some tutorial that had many texts about Bilbo Baggins in it.
@PhelypeOleinik And I remember that I used \\[<len>] far too often.
@FaheemMitha my first question was when I already worked on a template for my thesis for 2 months: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/347600/…
 
@Skillmon That's advanced! I used to do $x^-^1 for multiple tokens in a subscript (of course I ignored the errors :-)
 
4:09 PM
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, but isn't that to kill the newline? I have always have difficulty remembering whether it's to get rid of newlines or whitespace.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, but at the time I didn't know that :-)
 
@FaheemMitha yes quite impressive, I started in 2013 for my MSc thesis, then I did not used it till about a year ago. I am not using any other word processing software like word, etc since then. And I want to publish all my future research work with LaTeX...
 
@EnthusiasticEngineer May I ask what you're doing now (and possibly where)?
 
I am a civil engineer. I am writing my PhD proposal and two papers out of it. I may start my studies this year, depending on funding...
 
@PhelypeOleinik -- Or committed to getting onto DEK's "finders list".
 
4:22 PM
@barbarabeeton Can be. Which is a great accomplishment :-)
 
Let me drop it here too: vimeo.com/384086621 :)
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@PauloCereda oh, advertisement
 
@Skillmon mit all deiner Liebe <3
 
@PauloCereda Oh, einmusikimvideo :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik ooh German words. :)
 
4:28 PM
Yes, yes, let us just pretend that was a German word.
 
@egreg -- Report it to AMS as a complaint, with a proposed fix.
 
@Skillmon ooh ein Deutschewort
 
@PauloCereda Correct would be "Oh, ein deutsches Wort"
 
@Skillmon ooh
 
@PauloCereda yours looks more authentic, fewer spaces.
 
4:36 PM
@JosephWright I always forget about your preferences whether to report typos in interface3 in the issue tracker or just via chat.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda -- Hmmm. Looked promising until it shifted into vim ...
 
@barbarabeeton We are working on a GUI, as we speak. :) It will be easier. :)
 
@PauloCereda -- Oh dear! I'm too fossilized for guis. Give me a nice command-line interface and a good, clear manual.
 
@Skillmon Typos? Probably easiest just to ping me and I can fix, or if you feel like it, make a pull request
 
4:46 PM
@barbarabeeton ack. :)
 
4:58 PM
@Skillmon I can well believe it: I know I was writing packages within a year of starting using LaTeX, and I ended up writing siunitx (badly, v1) within two or three years
 
Hey, I am getting the grip of complex package upload: CTAN just complained about one thing. :)
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5:40 PM
@JosephWright In that case: Page 77, in the description of \str_foldcase:n there is an issue with the \SS example (missing space, also it doesn't seem obvious to me that this is in fact \SS and not just SS).
@PauloCereda if you got the time, could you tell me? Up to now I only uploaded single file packages.
 
@Skillmon sure! Scripts require to be under a /support structure, with doc, source and script. Then we need to include <package>.tds.zip inside <package>.zip...
Then the README has to contain version and authorshop listed.
@StrongBad hi Dr. StrongBad!
 
6:05 PM
@JosephWright Lots of fast learners on the LaTeX team, apparently.
In a David Lodge novel, a character remarks that the British like saying "apparently". Or maybe it was "actually". Possibly both.
 
@JosephWright look at my project to learn L3, ducksay, it's first version was mediocre at best.
@JosephWright I read stuff like \tl_count:n and thought, cool, now I know how much space that will take in a tt font.
@barbarabeeton I especially loved that second.
Jan 11 at 10:26, by Skillmon
@PauloCereda great secret :) (I think I somewhen saw that secret already). BTW, great editor choice at 1:15.
 
@Skillmon <3
 
6:54 PM
> 14th January is the Feast Day of Very Bad Ideas. Do not celebrate this day. Do not start any projects on this day. Major life choices should not be made on this day. It is generally considered ill-omened.
 
Does anybody know how I should upload a package that should contain a file in generic and one in latex?
@PauloCereda sounds stupid.
 
@Skillmon :)
@Skillmon I think you need to provide the structure from the root thingy...
Or perhaps ask CTAN for guidance. They are very gentle, if you are not @DavidCarlisle or @JosephWright... :)
 
@Skillmon I would second just asking as @PauloCereda suggests, but I think it's probably enough to make a generic folder and a latex folder (just like you usually have a doc folder) and they will figure it out. For small packages they don't like you to provide the full TDS structure I think (they complained when I used to do that.)
 
@AlanMunn Agreed. I know arara is far from trivial, so I have a complex structure, but I also believe two folders are more than enough.
 
@AlanMunn normally my packages only contain the README, the .dfx and the .pdf (or the .sty and .tex when I was too lazy to set up a dtx).
 
7:02 PM
@Skillmon I have an idea: we could take a look at a package that has a similar structure...
 
@PauloCereda nah, that sounds like a stupid thing to do :)
 
@Skillmon ooh
 
7:28 PM
@Skillmon on ctan you can just put everything in one place with installation instructions, or to make it explicit include a .tds.zip file with everything in the installed location (l3build will make one of those for you if you use that)
 
@DavidCarlisle I never tried out l3build, maybe it's time :)
 
@Skillmon best part about is if the ctan upload structure is wrong and Petra tells you off, you can blame Joseph.
 
@DavidCarlisle why not @UlrikeFischer?
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@DavidCarlisle As I mentioned in my comment, for small packages they explicitly discourage uploading TDS.
 
8:00 PM
@AlanMunn I know, I just split off several dozen one-file packages from oberdiek and most of them all had tds.zip files, they grumbled a bit but....
 
cheers
so, it will be interesting to see if the current SE turmoil will spill over to Tex.SE. Any thoughts?
 
@KristianNordestgaard The only way it becomes an issue for us is if it seriously threatens the continued existence of the site
 
I guess the rules being hotly debated also count on TeX.SE?
 
@KristianNordestgaard which rules and which debate?
 
@KristianNordestgaard You mean the CoC?
 
8:06 PM
@Skillmon don't be cruel to ducks
 
@JosephWright: yes, and the removal of moderators
 
@DavidCarlisle Think he's a penguin, but one never knows
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not cruel to them. I'm very kind. Stress makes the meat go stringy.
 
building hyperref....
 
@Skillmon: It's all over meta.stackexchange.com ...
 
8:08 PM
@Skillmon Hey!
 
@KristianNordestgaard oh, that. Nah.
 
@KristianNordestgaard Oh that, well that's only an issue if the Powers want to get rid of one of the mods here, and I think that's unlikely
 
@KristianNordestgaard SE will die if they continue that course and that might threaten us.
 
it'll be interesting to see what happens over the next year or so
 
@JosephWright because you never step up and are always obedient.
@KristianNordestgaard (some people might already be looking for alternatives)
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8:10 PM
let's go back to IRC, people!
 
@Skillmon Yes, may need a rescue boat
 
@KristianNordestgaard this is tex, irc was never a thing comp.text.tex is where we were.
 
@DavidCarlisle And we can always wander back, if necessary
 
@DavidCarlisle There was a quite active TeX channel on irc (don't remember which network)
 
@Skillmon Huh?
 
8:12 PM
@JosephWright :) If you don't say you think the new CoC is poorly written you don't get kicked out.
 
@Skillmon Oh, they are: the writers site are building an open-source alternative as it is
 
@JosephWright yes but newsgroups aren't what they were
 
@JosephWright (I know)
 
@Skillmon More that as Jeff once said, no-one comes here by accident
@DavidCarlisle Well yes, for newer users they don't 'work'
 
#latex on Freenode is relatively active
 
8:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle Working on the build issue: I can now see the issue on my VM
 
@KristianNordestgaard perhaps but unlike comp.text.tex then or tex.sx now it couldn't be used to routinely interact with core latex developers
 
@KristianNordestgaard plus #latex-german, iirc.
 
the Germans have such a vivid TeX community
 
@DavidCarlisle we have core latex developers on tex.sx?
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yeah, @Skillmon
 
8:15 PM
@Skillmon that's why you can come here and blame @UlrikeFischer
 
@DavidCarlisle ;-) Could you test for distiller too?
 
@UlrikeFischer works with distiller from acrobat pro 9
 
@UlrikeFischer thanks for the help with that stupid font problem ... really a weak point in TeX, imo
 
@KristianNordestgaard what?
 
8:24 PM
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Q: How can I fix this polyglossia/fontscpec conflict?

Kristian NordestgaardHere's my MWE, it appears replacing MedeivalSharpwith any TTF file will do the trick. \documentclass{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage[osf,proportional]{Baskervaldx} \usepackage{polyglossia} \newfontfamily\msharp[ Path = {/home/kristian/.fonts/}, Extension = ...

 
@UlrikeFischer I was just mailing you and Akira and @JosephWright I guess the l3 version needs similar...
 
@KristianNordestgaard yes I know you meant this question, but what do you mean by "weak point"
 
I think that handling fonts is too difficult
 
@DavidCarlisle We never got a final position on the L3 version
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, I justed wanted to ping Joseph too ;-)
 
8:28 PM
@KristianNordestgaard Well XeLaTeX and LuaLaTeX have made it much simpler. But mixing old and new technologies (as you were trying to do in the question) is always frought with difficulties.
 
@KristianNordestgaard The change in how you access fonts between classical TeX and OpenType is a big step
 
@KristianNordestgaard perhaps but I'd say that was just user error. Font handling in classic tex is difficult by todays standards as it uses old font formats and legacy encodings, luatex and xetex designed to avoid that but if you choose to force them to use the old encodings you force it to have complications, the old pdftex ones and the complications with interaction with Unicode.
@JosephWright it probably needs product (Ghostscript) search {pop pop pop revision 927 gt}% somewhere though.
 
I don't think that figuring out all this stuff is as easy as it should be
but, I must go now ... I have to buy something in a shop that closes soon
see ya
 
@KristianNordestgaard if you use tex for 30 years and typeset all documents in computer modern, you'll never have font issues:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle My first document used lmodern, I'm so modern.
 
8:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sure
 
@Skillmon my first document was almost modern
am fonts don't seem to be distributed any more.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- well, I'm not sure that the "better modern" fonrs were ever distributed.
 
@DavidCarlisle But you'd have a much harder time demonstrating your considerable linguistic prowess.
 
@DavidCarlisle You annoyed?
@DavidCarlisle Think I've tracked down the build issue
 
8:51 PM
@JosephWright I can't really remember how different they were to cm
 
@DavidCarlisle I didn't mean by that
@DavidCarlisle .tex
 
@JosephWright oh no not annoyed just backing you up:-)
@AlanMunn il est facile d'avoir des accents Computer Modern en fran\c{c}ais
 
@DavidCarlisle हो, तर त्यहाँ अन्य धेरै भाषाहरू छन्।
 
9:08 PM
@AlanMunn तिनीहरूले लग पढ्न सक्दछन्
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no � in font cmr10!
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle how helpful.
 
@Skillmon it looks better in emacs of course: this site has changed it all to U+fffd which doesn't help
 
@DavidCarlisle A little obsfuscation never hurt anyone.
 
@JosephWright +os_yes = "printf 'y\\n%.0s' {1..300}" oops:-)
 
9:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle Huh?
 
@JosephWright I was wondering how come files got missed, I hadn't guessed that:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh right, I just looked at the logs
 
@JosephWright I hadn't looked at anything, so just saw the diff mail now.
@JosephWright I have some typographic comments on ltnews31 from @barbarabeeton Ok to push them to develop or is there any chance you'll need to resubmit? (I could do them in a branch first if you prefer)
 
9:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle Seems to fix things
@DavidCarlisle Push to develop: I can always branch if need to
@DavidCarlisle I've sent an update to CTAN
 
@JosephWright ok
 
10:19 PM
@JosephWright Petra will be very happy!
 
@egreg Ina
 

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