TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2019-09-24

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12:02 AM

@egreg: Hi, just wanted to make sure you saw that the nonewpage option to imakeidx seem broken again in TeXLive 2019: tex.stackexchange.com/q/133193/4301

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3:45 AM

@PauloCereda A masterpiece!

3 hours later…

6:17 AM

Somebody proposed an edit to insert a small MWE into an old answer of Martin Scharrer from 2011, about xcolor: tex.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/178423

I'm not sure what to do with it, it improves the post, it is clearly in line with the original intent, but I'm still thinking such edits should not be made to old posts

a possible issue could be that by allowing this people start proposing edits with MWEs that are not good

but other than that I can't think of any reason against it so I'm just going to press Approve :)

3 hours later…

9:19 AM

@PeterGrill looks ok to me. Did you run makeindex?

There are actually lowercase-like 'oldstyle' forms of normal numbers with more pronounced ascenders and descenders, which is why some numbers like '5' in books sometimes dangle below the line. But the true capital numbers remain the domain of number maven Mavis Beacon.

See the hover-over tooltip

@JosephWright ;-)

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11:32 AM

@UlrikeFischer I see Admin/User split strikes again

@JosephWright ;-).

Hello all, just learned that Scott Pakin's filecontents has become obsolete and everything is in the L2e kernel now. How to use the built-in environment then, such that an existing file is forcibly overwritten?

Phelype Oleinik

@AlexG There's an optional argument (before the file name). Use [overwrite].

11:49 AM

I tried, also rebuilt the format beforehand, but I get

LaTeX Warning: File `[' already exists on the system.
Not generating it from this source.

! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type H <return> for immediate help.
...

l.20 \begin{filecontents}[o
verwrite,nosearch,nopremable]{onimage.sty}
?

Phelype Oleinik

@AlexG Ah, and you need to use the pre-release (pdflatex-dev) until it's officially released.

@PhelypeOleinik Ah, thank you!

Phelype Oleinik

@AlexG You're welcome :-)

@AlexG The release should be official around mid October, I think (@JosephWright?)

@PhelypeOleinik Ok. So I will continue to use the package for a while.

@PhelypeOleinik Yes

11:54 AM

@PhelypeOleinik shh

@JosephWright shh

@PauloCereda shh

@PauloCereda Conspiracy?

Phelype Oleinik

@AlexG I may not have expressed myself correctly: The format in the pre-release version will get to the "normal" kernel. The idea of the pre-release is to give it some time for testing to avoid things breaking unexpectedly. So if you can use the -dev version to find ~~bugs~~ features it's better :-)

@AlexG ~~secret plan~~ nothing. :)

@PauloCereda No, that's not the Secret Plan

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda The Secret Plan™ is another plan :-)

11:56 AM

@JosephWright I know, it's a way of making people do not look for the The Secret Plan. :)

@PhelypeOleinik shh

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Makes total sense :-)

@PhelypeOleinik Of course, I could say the Secret Plan is □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □

ooh tofu

:D

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda The tofu was postponed to the next ~~secret~~ dev release

@PhelypeOleinik ooh

@PhelypeOleinik of course, we cannot say anything about Frank secretly providing a L3-based kernel for Apple. :)

oh wait

oh no

/quacks in despair

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Oh, I thought it was common knowledge

12:00 PM

@PhelypeOleinik since iPad Mittelbach. :)

12:24 PM

hey, is the listoftables and listoffigures usually on the contents page/section?

is there a common convention

Instead of writing table, I accidentally wrote tabule (Portuguese for tabbouleh). I think babel can handle it, right? :)

@PhelypeOleinik ^^

mm tabbouleh

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Oh, I didn't know that dish. Seems good :-)

lol @DavidPurton i like your avatar

@PhelypeOleinik :)

12:31 PM

@PauloCereda who's frank?

@tjt263 Frank Mittelbach

@PauloCereda oh you mean L3 as in LaTeX. i thought you were talking about the i3 window manager or something

@tjt263 sorry for the confusion. :)

@PauloCereda i think it must be a joke that went over my head.

12:47 PM

@PauloCereda FMi ;)

@JosephWright ooh :)

@PauloCereda Speaking of 'ooh': twitter.com/texdevnet

@JosephWright WOW

@PauloCereda Mainly because I wanted to as Overleaf a question ...

@JosephWright Just saw it. :)

12:55 PM

@PauloCereda The team probably should have an account ...

@JosephWright I told you guys. :)

1:44 PM

@PauloCereda I might raise it ...

@PauloCereda I see some obvious names are taken, but @latexproject is available

@JosephWright omgitslatex3

2:14 PM

twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1176431923100618754

@JosephWright :)

2:50 PM

@UlrikeFischer @UlrikeFischer: With imakeidx, you don't need to run makeindex.

@UlrikeFischer ; Similarly, it also works if you first remove nonewpage and then add it back for the subsequent runs.

@PeterGrill not with the nonewpage option, it disables the automatic call.

3:41 PM

is there a more modern plotting package than pgfplots (tikz)?

something that allows specifying the size without resizing

@sollniss pgfplots is actively developed!

@sollniss What do you mean? You can set the size of a pgfplot quite easily

with size i mean width and height for an axis

all solutions i've found just scale the plot or require 20 other things

i want to specify the length of the x axis of a plot (so the plot fills the page)

@sollniss You just set height and width, perhaps using \axisdefaultheight/\axisdefaultwidth

is that possible per plot?

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}
  \begin{axis}[width = \textwidth, height = \textheight]
    \addplot {x^2};
  \end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}

\end{document}

@sollniss Yes, they are standard keys

@sollniss When you say fills the page, do you mean the standard text area? There's a lot of space that's not really part of the textblock

3:50 PM

yea i mean the text area

width does not seem to work

and it also appears that i have to set both values

@JosephWright

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\usepackage{lipsum}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}
  \begin{axis}[width = \textwidth, height = 0.5\textheight]
    \addplot {x^2};
  \end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}

\lipsum[1]

\end{document}

@sollniss pgfplots keeps the plot aspect ratio unless you force things by setting both height and width

@sollniss All covered in "Scaling Options" in the pgfplots manual

do you know the default height?

(and width)

nevermind its in the first link you sent

@sollniss \axisdefaultheight

weird that the default width is slightly larger than 0.5\textwidth so two plots cant be next to eachother by a tiny bit

thanks for the help @JosephWright, kinda exactly what i was looking for

hm, they are still not aligning next to each other, even though they should have enough space

4:05 PM

@sollniss ? I just tried two (with no width key) and they were more than 90pt wider than textwidth in article class, which is more than "a tiny bit"

@DavidCarlisle i just visually perceived the difference of a default width graph and a 0.5textwidth plot as "tiny", sorry

two fit side by side:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\usepackage{lipsum}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.16}
\begin{document}

\centering
\begin{tikzpicture}
  \begin{axis}[width=.5\textwidth]
    \addplot {x^2};
  \end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}%
\begin{tikzpicture}
  \begin{axis}[width=.5\textwidth]
    \addplot {x^2};
  \end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}

\lipsum[1]

\end{document}

user image

did i oversee something?

@sollniss You need to avoid a space between the two plots

@sollniss See how @DavidCarlisle prevents a space

oh wow

that's... unintuitive

thanks again

4:15 PM

@sollniss helloworld is narrower than hello world and a tikzpicture is positioned by the same logic as a big letter.

but shouldnt it then align the plots if i make one 0.4 and the other 0.5? they also didnt align when i tried that

@sollniss you probably have a paragraph indentation. (note I added \centering )

@sollniss as far as tex is concerned you have a two word paragraph that it tries to justify, so you have paragraph indent before the first, then a word space then \parfillskip after the second, unless you arrange not to have those things.

ok i see

thanks for the help guys

does tikz support an axis description for multiple axi? in my screenshot above, both plots have an identical x axis

4:51 PM

@sollniss Do you mean a shared axis description between multiple axis environments in the same tikzpicture ?

yes i guess @BambOo

similar to a scatterplot matrix

In this case you can define a myaxis style with all redundant information of your two (or more) axes with \pgfplotsset{myaxis/.style={comma-separated list of options}} in your preamble then call \begin{axis}[myaxis] ... \end{axis} multiple times

thanks i'll check it out

@UlrikeFischer Ok, but I don't see that mentioned in the documentation for nonewpage. Don't see how it any user would conclude that since I don't want a new page them I have to manually run makeindex.

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Dr. Manuel Kuehner

5:59 PM

@UlrikeFischer Hi Ulrike, I assume that you don't have time regarding my request (email). Can you recommend an alternative LaTeX pro for beamer (and maybe fonts)?

2 hours later…

7:52 PM

@Dr.ManuelKuehner It's not clear (at least to me), what you are asking.

What does "alternative LaTeX pro for beamer" mean?

8:12 PM

@Dr.ManuelKuehner sound as if you didn't get my last mail, I just send another one, please check.

1 hour later…

9:28 PM

Did people see the mail from Karl Berry on the TeX Live list:

> Let me mention that Overleaf just posted a long blog entry about
upgrading from TL 2017 to 2018.
https://www.overleaf.com/blog/tex-live-upgrade-september-2019

It includes detailed descriptions of many package changes that can bite
users, and lots of other hints. Thanks, Overleaf!

This is what our "known bug" list should look like, except unfortunately
we have no resources with which to make it happen, systematic testing
not being something that volunteers much want to do. Such is life.

Looking forward to their analogous 2018->2019 post . --best, karl.

@JosephWright Is that mail public?

@FaheemMitha Yes: TeX Live list

@JosephWright along with your reply. :)

@JosephWright Could I bother you for a link? It's been a rough day.

@FaheemMitha tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2019-September/044094.html

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9:42 PM

@JosephWright Thank you very much.

@FaheemMitha No probs

10:26 PM

@JosephWright Ducks :(

@JosephWright but we should fix Using non-ASCII characters in.cls file information if we haven't already (it was fixed in one version of the utf8 handling:-)

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