@manooooh The site has no power to bring back anyone. And while he made many fine contributions, so have others before him who have left, and so will others who will appear after him. The site will continue as the good site that it has been from the beginning.
@AlanMunn I don't trust "The site has no power to bring back anyone". marmot said that he emailed with other users. This site has a "dark" side which is fine for me, so the answers/questions can have a reason of why their are posted. marmot is a very uncommon user, don't you believe?
> Most users enthusiastically put forward that TEX is unequaled for some documents; very few suggested they were, like me, using TEX for all documents they produce.
Like Jean-luc Doumont, I too use TeX for everything, and it seems reasonable to me.
> Faced with people who equate “most popular” with “best”, I stopped saying I work with TEX in casual conversation.
Which is a shame.
If one wants to to auto-add all the rows in a table (assuming numerical values) what options are there?
@FaheemMitha Yes, I mean that. However you could also create a .csv with a cutting & pasting that data and that use one of the packages I mentioned before
@manooooh that's life and human nature. You can't change that either. People get irritated by things that other people don't see as important.
@manooooh there are thousands of users and most are inactive for exactly that reason, they simply move on stop using the site and the accounts are unused, you only hear about the rare cases where people make a fuss and announce they are leaving.
@DavidCarlisle marmot cannot irritate just by 1/2/3 persons. Why? Because >50 people wants him to collaborate in their projects. I am not saying that he must not retire, just saying that there will always be someone to criticize you, but not for that reason you will stop doing what you like
@manooooh he says he was irritated by one other user and then cross about the way the mods handled the issue and so lost confidence in the moderators and so wants to leave the site. As that is what he says, I assume that is why he is leaving, but whatever, no one else can stop him leaving.
@manooooh as I said above, it's human nature. You may find some comments mildly annoying, others may find them totally unacceptable, no point in speculating. No posts were deleted, the issue as far as I understand is that both parties were suspended (just for a week) and marmot thinks that it should not have been handled in that way but instead action should only have been applied to the other person,...
... but really it doesn't matter, no one needs to give a reason to leave, or if they give a reason it does not need to be a good reason. They have a right to leave.
In case anyone cares, the link given at the bottom is broken, but I don't know who it should be reported to. Or even if it should be reported. tug.org/TUGboat/tb19-4/tb61carl.pdf
@DavidCarlisle the problem is that he evidently did not leave "just because yes". Assuming a different scenario, would you like your best employees to leave the job "just because yes"?
There have been a few cases recently where the moderator team have taken action involving high-profile users, and that has lead to some of these high-profile users deciding to leave the site. There have also been some concerns raised about the moderation approach. I thought it would therefore be ...
@manooooh ^^^ I have just posted some information on the general approach the moderators take: there have been a couple of 'high profile' cases recently
@manooooh people who are employed sign a contract and so can not leave without giving notice (or having sanctions applied) volunteers can leave at any time if they wish to stop volunteering. I am not sure what you are saying, how can you force him to post if he doesn't want to?
@manooooh Somewhere on meta.stackoverflow there's a post from one of the SO mods, saying that if you never get people complaining about moderation, you are not doing it right. That's of course not the aim, but the reality is we all feel our own actions are reasonable ...
@DavidCarlisle I do not know the case closely (except that your good approach to explain the reasons), but isn't it that moderation will have failed at something? It is an assumption that can be revoked
@manooooh Note I am not a mod and don't know anything other than public statements, but I don't know what you want to see revoked or changed. Two users were having an argument in comments, the moderators took action and viewed it (as my mother would say when I was arguing with my brother) "6 of one and half a dozen of the other" and so suspended both users for a week to cool down. marmot took exception to this and thought that it should not have been handled that way and decided to leave.
@manooooh You are working there on the basis that there is never a difficult decision and that one person is always 'right'. But moderation is most important for shades-of-gray cases
@JosephWright One the one hand, it's clear that SE moderation, like many (most?) volunteer jobs, particularly on the net, is a thankless one. You never even get to meet the people you are working for. On the other hand, it seems me that being a SE mod, though it carries little real power, is definitely abusable, and there is little accountability. Though I have no sense of how often it happens. It's not like there are statistics.
@FaheemMitha Very few moderators seem to have been asked to leave across the network: most replacements that I know of have happened when people can't commit the time. On the other hand, I guess SO don't publicise any issues
@FaheemMitha excellent article that one. @barbarabeeton may be able to say if the tugboat area was re-organised breaking that link. (Although the file is of course on ctan these days anyway)
@FaheemMitha I think there's no reason they would based on a single mod message. But if a user was to complain that a mod was abusing their power, it's information one would hope the staff would examine. Like we've said, they don't publicise issues, so it's hard to be certain.
@FaheemMitha usual response: we have multiple moderators so we can police each other
@FaheemMitha i don't know what happens on bigger sites when there is 'instant action' needed in a lot of cases. For us, apart from out-and-out spammers, the only time we've suspended or whatever, we've had email discussion beforehand to agree on actions.
@manooooh Standard/Traditional LaTeX compiles to Device Independent files. DVI for short. You can convert it to PS by using the famous dvips. But these days people increasingly use PDFTeX directly, so this is less used.
And apparently you didn't recognize the reference, which goes to prove the point.
@manooooh oh actually I was wrong above. If I give it its own window so the tab heading is wider I see tb61carl.dvi - tb61carl.pdf In my normal state when I have dozens of tabs I only see tb so doesn't really matter either way)
@DavidCarlisle ok, so it does not matter the filename that the browser assigns to the pdf. Do you have a lot of open tabs? Wow I did not expect it from you
Even weirder: in the Downloads window it appears with pdf extension (which would be reasonable coming from a pdf file):
@manooooh yes but your tab is using the pdf viewer, so sees the internal pdf propeties like /Title, but the download viewer is using chrome's file listing and has to handle any sort of file
@FaheemMitha Well, in general LaTeX treats line breaks just like spaces (and commented line breaks like nothing at all), so it really does not make a difference if you spread your table cell across lines. Blank lines are a different story of course..
This question covers it, I think. But it does not look like there is a canonical way. As in, whoever wrote the tabular format did not build in such a feature.
What is the easiest way to have 2 lines in some of the cells in a table?
The only way I can think right now is to actually have 2 separate rows (without the line in the middle) and use \multirow on all other cells in this row. Any easier ideas?
@schtandard Well, only for specific cells. I still want a single line of the table to correspond to a single line in the source. I'd like something where the extra text appears immediately below the corresponding cell.
@JosephWright I read through last night, seems more or less sensible, but it was a bit late (we'd been at Blenheim all day avoiding the stands selling duck burgers:-)
@FaheemMitha I would never have guessed that's what you meant from the question you asked above:-) That would be tricky to implement over the current tabular and doesn't add any features over foo & bar1\newline bar2 & baz \\ so there isn't a lot of incentive to do anything like that
@DavidCarlisle It would just be a convenient way to spread out long lines. Currently it's easy to spread out long lines over multiple rows (p{} and presumably other ways), but it can get awkward to type long lines and still try to get all the tabs to line up.
Might be an instructive TeXercise, assuming it's even possible.
@FaheemMitha you mean you want to explicitly enter it as separate lines with forced end of line marker \\ but have tex re-assemble it and reflow the middle column? that would be so weird:-)
@JosephWright -- On the dup question, I'm referring to this one: Referencing an equation in a set of equations. This is a particularly nicely phrased question. The linked dup Adding letters to equation numbers has a good title that is relevant to the question, and does not warrant changing. That's the context here, and the reason for my suggestion for a "token" answer.
@FaheemMitha it wasn't intended as a sensible response:-) some fonts come with packages that set up matching spacing, otherwise like any other part of the design there are no rules, it's what looks right
Is there an agreement on what the optimum mathematical proportion of line height and the size of a text is? And if there is, is it the same for print and web?
I have an animation file.gif that contains 20 frames. I'd like to extract frames 1, 5, 10, and 20 and arrange them in a 2x2 grid figure. How should I approach this?
@UlrikeFischer Yes, and it does not solve the problem of converting special frames of the gif file. That seems for me to be better done outside TeX, then the images can be converted to png or whatever and used with \includegraphics. The main step getting the frames is the issue here for me and I do not see a possibility to solve that in TeX/LaTeX ...
@Mensch I wouldn't accept a bet that it is impossible to convert the gif to a multipage pdf and then include one side with the page key (I'm not claiming that it is a sensible workflow).
@JonasStein there isn't usually a choice, if the math font you want to use is an OpenType Math font (eg Cambria Math or one of the TeX Gyre math fonts, then you need the OpenType math setup, for which unicode-math is the most advanced latex interface. If you are using 256 character tfm fonts you need the classical math use. Of course there are a few fonts (stix, latin modern) made available both as an OpenType font and also converted to a set of classical tex math fonts
OK, I do not really care about the font in my document. I like the default font, because it is the same I use in my inkscape graphics. So I should better avoid TeXGyre and unicode-math, correct?
@JonasStein hard to say, going forward opentype math will make it much easier to use the same math font in tex and non tex applications, ,classical tex math fonts are more or less unusable by other applications, but opentype math used also by office applications, browsers, etc
What is the easiest way to have 2 lines in some of the cells in a table?
The only way I can think right now is to actually have 2 separate rows (without the line in the middle) and use \multirow on all other cells in this row. Any easier ideas?
Is there an agreement on what the optimum mathematical proportion of line height and the size of a text is? And if there is, is it the same for print and web?
I have an animation file.gif that contains 20 frames. I'd like to extract frames 1, 5, 10, and 20 and arrange them in a 2x2 grid figure. How should I approach this?
