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9:26 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@UlrikeFischer re Burmese, do you (or @MarcelKrüger) understand Hans/Luigi's experiments with a harfbuzz interface, and is that available in context yet (or ever)
@PauloCereda OOH!
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
My ooh is bigger than your ooh
 
Miss you guys. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@PauloCereda I'll fill you in on what happened. People talked about ducks, @marmot talked about marmots, @UlrikeFischer broke luatex, @egreg stole some ticks.
 
9:29 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle and you fought against the TikZ mafia? :)
 
@DavidCarlisle regarding @marmots I think nobody really looked at the documentation of luaotfload during the tests and so stopped me vvvv
 
@PauloCereda 5166
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh marmots
 
@PauloCereda he helped me to make the graphic, so it was fitting, also @DavidCarlisle said "no ducks".
 
9:33 AM
@UlrikeFischer he is mean
 
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
The order of the universe has been restored!
 
@egreg <3
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@PauloCereda Btw: The ducks spread on the site (just have a look at the answer at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/451694/…) :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I wonder if you like this issue: github.com/MiKTeX/miktex/issues/199
 
9:46 AM
@TeXnician ooh vintage
 
@PauloCereda Among others. For a very short period of time this question even had the tag…
 
@UlrikeFischer that's odd grffile doesn't have special access it is just doing normal tex tests with \openin, how come it's not following normal TEXINPUTS search rules?
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't know but perhaps how tex handles "file.foo" (search first for file.foo or first for file.foo.tex) is different.
@DavidCarlisle I asked him once about it but the main code is "on his machine" and not accessible mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg87736.html
 
@UlrikeFischer ah there was once, in some previous life, a discussion about what should happen and what various tex systems did in that case, but I can't remember when or where or what the outcome was.
@UlrikeFischer yes I saw that at the time, I just wondered if any version had crept in to context since, I guess not
 
@DavidCarlisle not only one discussion, I remember quite a number.
@DavidCarlisle the only mention of harfbuzz I can find is in a file which still loads this non-existing font-phb.lua.
 
10:13 AM
@DavidCarlisle Regarding the font.each issue Hans proposed a "solution" which would only list fonts loaded by the fontloader instead of all fonts. Would this be enough for your usecase?
 
@MarcelKrüger I think we should make some test files with both variants and look at differences.
 
@PauloCereda Seems like the PhD is not good for you ... welcome back! ;-)
 
@marmot Hi mr. marmot!
 
10:34 AM
@UlrikeFischer What did you do to the tail of my fellow marmot? (BTW, I think the figure does precisely what it should: it tells people "This is really complicated stuff, consider using the tikzducks package instead." ;-)
@PauloCereda Hello! How R U? I hope that your long absence has a nice explanation such as a long vacation in the Andes (and not that you started working for Microsoft ;-)
 
@MarcelKrüger The original issue was that in luatex even for tfm fonts that if the same font was loaded twice under different names \font\zzza=cmr10 \font\zzzzb=cmr10 then in \showbox output (ie the main tool of the latex test suite:-) luatex showed \zzza and pdftex/xetex showed \zzzzb (or the other war round) so until this luatex update I had some code in test2e.tex that just checked for duplicate fonts and switched around the ids, to be honest I forget the details (Hans helped a bit)
@MarcelKrüger anway it's the code guarded by the version test at github.com/latex3/latex2e/blob/master/support/test2e.tex#L199
@MarcelKrüger without that test if I let the font code run in my 1.09 (experimental branch) luatex then luatex segfaults and the latex test suite never completes. but with it as it is now then for luatex 1.08 and later we get dozens of extra difference files as luatex reports different font names in box output whenever latex has made a font substitution
Interesting update to pdf(la)tex in texlive this morning.......
$ type pdftex
pdftex is hashed (/usr/local/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-cygwin/pdftex)

davidc@dc-bantham /c/tmp
$ pdftex

davidc@dc-bantham /c/tmp
$
@JosephWright ^^^ the test suite runs very quickly with this setting (luatex, texlua, xetex all do the same...)
 
10:51 AM
@marmot I actually wanted to work for Microsoft. :) Nah, I was sick for quite some time. :)
 
@marmot Ups. Side effect of the rounded corners:
\documentclass[border=3.14mm,tikz]{standalone}
\usepackage{tikzmarmots}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}[rounded corners]
\marmot;
\end{tikzpicture}

\end{document}
@DavidCarlisle @MarcelKrüger and Luigi commented: github.com/u-fischer/luaotfload/issues/3#issuecomment-424674709. But I'm away now soon for the afternoon.
 
11:09 AM
@egreg nice, very nice :-)
 
@UlrikeFischer I see. (I guess there is no ; needed after \marmot but it also does not hurt.)
@PauloCereda Hope you're better now!
 
@UlrikeFischer since todays update of luatex always terminates immediately on any input the problem is gone for me...
 
@DavidCarlisle Ooos
 
@PauloCereda Nice to see you here!
@UlrikeFischer Can you wrap the marmot in \begin{scope}[sharp corners] \marmot; \end{scope}?
 
@marmot working on it. :)
@samcarter Quack! <3
 
11:14 AM
@PauloCereda Quack quack!
 
@PauloCereda Welcome back! <3<3<3 We missed you!
 
@UlrikeFischer Or with \usepackage{tikzlings-marmots} do \marmot[sharp corners];
 
@PauloCereda And I thought I had figured out where you were:
Sep 8 at 5:45, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
I think I may have discovered the whereabouts of @PauloCereda …
 
@UlrikeFischer serves you right. You spend a month working on lua font loading and get a days worth of bug reports on the shape of a rodent.
@JosephWright mailed texlive list...
 
@samcarter @marmot yes, no problem. I simply hadn't expected that round corners would give a marmot a sharp tail ;-).
 
11:33 AM
@CarLaTeX Quack! Miss you too! <3
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh
 
@PauloCereda 5171: You have some catching up to do! ω is still a long way to go.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh
Mojave does not work on my Mac!
 
12:00 PM
@JosephWright It seems that Safari is rejecting the connection; and Firefox doesn't seem to connect.
@JosephWright OK
 
@samcarter Are these ; required in ` \marmot[sharp corners];` or is it "just" a macro where one can leave them away?
 
 so I suppose 2.9.0 != 2.11.1
@DavidCarlisle ^^ you are a legend
 
@PauloCereda Maybe in the near future there will be a switch \duck[healthy] ;-)
 
@marmot ooh
 
@PauloCereda Seems to work, doesn't it? ;-)
 
12:04 PM
@marmot quite :)
 
@PauloCereda “Mojave requires support for the Metal graphics API, which means dumping most Macs made before 2012 (with the exception of 2010 and 2012 Mac Pros that can be upgraded with newer Metal-compatible GPUs).” – Ars Technica
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen /sob
 
@marmot No, the ; is not required, the package ends all the paths with a ;. In fact it can even cause a complain in the .log file about missing null font characters (as helpfully discovered by the great tugboat editors!)
 
@PauloCereda I'm good at mathematics
 
@samcarter Maybe one can write some insert path styles such that \fill[yellow,duck]; works, where duck/.style={insert path={...}} .... then there won't be complaints about excess ; ;-)
 
12:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh advanced topics
 
 
2 hours later…
1:52 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen there's a patch to run Mojave on unsupported Macs, but the list of bugs introduced with this patch are not worthy...
 
2:18 PM
3x100 min of teaching today and the same tomorrow. This starts to be intense...
 
@boycott.se-yo' the answer is 600
 
2:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle you are really good at mathematics
@boycott.se-yo' yo! :D
 
@PauloCereda hi there!
 
@PauloCereda I trained for many years
 
3:05 PM
@DavidCarlisle actually, 1000. You should have know that I was teaching twice on Monday and twice on Tuesday
*known
 
@boycott.se-yo' trick question
 
@DavidCarlisle as always
 
3:42 PM
@boycott.se-yo' @DavidCarlisle could still be right, he did not tell you the units. He probably meant units of 100 secs, which makes his answer correct.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:07 PM
@PauloCereda I'm glad to see you are back! It's been a month. I hope the time was not too hard for you!
 
@StefanKottwitz Thanks, it's good to be back! It was a bit hard, but I survived. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle why did you add this comment? It doesn't add any new information except that analogue relation of center <-> \centering and flushleft <-> \raggedright.
 
@Skillmon hi mr. rabbit!
 
@Skillmon well that's odd I didn't see your answer which seemed to have been posted some hours before:-) Either it was an old tab or I didn't scroll down past zarko's deleted answer or something. I have no idea now:-)
 
5:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle :) I was really confused when I wanted to see what Zarko answered to me in his comment and saw your comment :)
@PauloCereda Hi, Mr. Duck!
 
6:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hangouts poke. :)
 
 
2 hours later…
8:29 PM
It looks like Ulrike's new fontloader is in CTAN?
luaotfload I mean
 
@Krishna yes I uploaded yesterday, it should be (and also the new lualibs) in tomorrows updates.
 
 
3 hours later…
11:33 PM
Hello, yesterday a former teammate of my high school added me on Facebook, and today I have 2 more requests (they did not talk to each other). What's going on?!?
 

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