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4:23 AM
CarLaTeX yesterday I held myself pretty well in not giving stars. Happy?
 
@manooooh Very good :):):)
 
Thanks
I learn from the best
 
4:52 AM
@manooooh egreg or David? LOL
 
@CarLaTeX do you want me to be honest? David is an excellent collaborator but sometimes he has his rolls and seems stingy. I like egreg more, because he has a language that I can understand more ^-^
But I prefer you, you know all about ducks
I have never had a duckling but now I have a more animal language, between ducks and marmots :)
 
 
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6:37 AM
@manooooh <3<3<3
 
7:02 AM
@CarLaTeX :)
Have a good day!
 
7:36 AM
@manooooh Have a good night!
 
8:33 AM
(Stupid me. Yesterday I overlooked that when it's only about suppressing and not suppressing expansion,  the order in which tokens get processed doesn't matter. Thus the following is sufficient:)

Perhaps instead of preventing the carrying-out of referencing-commands and preventing the change to uppercase/lowercase of rererencing-commands' arguments within  \tl_upper_case:n /  \tl_lower_case:n, referencing-commands and the like can be redefined within \tl_upper_case:n /  \tl_lower_case:n to do all expansion-work possible (gathering textual phrases or questionmarks) before reaching a level w
 
8:54 AM
@UlrichDiez It looks like you are a recent arrival to TeX SE. Or at least recently active. Have you been using TeX for a long time?
I seem to remember that TeX has a thread where users talk about themselves. Does anyone happen to know the link?
 
@UlrichDiez Hm. Try out
\DeclareRobustCommand\sometext{Hallo}
\section{title in lowercase \sometext  }
 
9:21 AM
Hi @UlrikeFischer.
 
@UlrichDiez I see you'd discovered that chat needs to have 'messages' and 'block code' separately, otherwise the formatting is a disaster
@UlrichDiez Something like that, yes, is workable
 
 
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11:06 AM
@Skillmon Sorry for disappearing. I have no Internet in my apartment right now, only at the university :/
@Skillmon I pinged you because of a feature I found in ducksay
 
@PhelypeOleinik no problem :)
@PhelypeOleinik which feature?
 
\usepackage{ducksay}
% \usepackage{siunitx}% Throws Undefined control sequence \textasciiacute instead
% \usepackage{textcomp}% Works
\AddAnimal{whale}
{ \                  '-.     '
   \      .---._      \ \.--''
    \   /       `-. .__)  ,-'
     \ |     .           /
        \--.__,   . __.,´
         `-.___'._\ _.'       }
\begin{document}
\ducksay[whale]{! Package inputenc Error: Unicode character (U+B4)}
\end{document}
Try this code
It complains about the acute accent unless you load textcomp
Is this intended?
 
@PhelypeOleinik no certainly not. The argument is read with xparse's +v specifier. I don't do anything about input stuff other than this. You have to bear in mind though, that the output won't be ` anyway. Instead of the ` a simple ' yields very similar results (the former being a 180° turned version of the latter. And four leading backslashes are not supported by \duckthink, so a version with just 3 would be better.
@PhelypeOleinik So I'd use the following (which doesn't need textcomp):
\documentclass[]{article}
\usepackage{ducksay}
\AddAnimal{whale}
{ \                 '-.     '
   \     .---._      \ \.--''
    \  /       `-. .__)  ,-'
      |     .           /
       \--.__,   . __.,'
        `-.___'._\ _.'       }

\begin{document}
\ducksay[whale]{This doesn't work}
\end{document}
@PhelypeOleinik ducksay has huge performance issues at the moment, which I intend to remedy in the next release, but I don't know when this next release will be, as I also want to include automatic line breaking. (For which I have a rather simple approach which needs to be implemented).
Have to leave now. Don't know when I'll be back.
 
@Skillmon No problem. Thanks for the feedback :)
@Skillmon Can't wait for it ;)
 
11:46 AM
@moewe, in relation to my last answer, I find the docs a bit confusing as to the differences between delimiters and punctuation. Are delimiters basically the same but allow for context sensitivity? i.e., consider something like \subtitlepunct. Would you do something like \DeclareDelimFormat{subtitledelim}{\addcolon\space} then use \setunit{\printdelim{subtitledelim}}. Does this behave differently to \setunit{\subtitlepunct}?
 
12:03 PM
@DavidPurton I don't know if there even is a difference between punctuation and delimiters as in ...punct vs ...delim. The initial terminology was invented by PL, but he is no longer around, so I don't know if there should be a difference. I noticed that many older ...delim commands were not used within \setunit, whereas many ...punct are. Not sure if that was the intended difference.
@DavidPurton Whether \DeclareDelimFormat or \renewcommand should be used can be seen by the context sensitive maker in the manual. Context sensitive delimiters use \DeclareDelimFormat, the non-sensitive macros use \renewcommand.
Now \DeclareDelimFormat is 'backwards compatible to \renewcommand' so that the example you give should do the same thing.
But there would be a difference as soon as you start to use the optional context argument.
 
@moewe, so the way to tell whether to redefine \labelnamepunct or \nametitledelim is to prefer the context sensitive option when one is noted in the manual?
 
@DavidPurton For most macros we have just turned the non-sensitive macros into sensitive macros by adding the marker and using the new commands in biblatex.def. So there is no choice to be made. Since things are backwards compatible there is no problem with that.
@DavidPurton One of the few things that really changed was \labelnamepunct/\nametitledelim.
Maybe we should mark \labelnamepunct as deprecated...
 
12:19 PM
@moewe, that would make things more obvious.
 
@moewe Just saw the issue :)
 
12:42 PM
@moewe, there's been so many good improvements to biblatex since I started on biblatex-sbl, sometimes I feel like I need to start again... :( Plus I know how things work much better now and I'm sure there would be less horrible hacks.
 
@DavidPurton I know the feeling. I only 'inherited' biblate-trad, but every now and then I notice something that I would do differently now. But then I get stuck and think it would be better to start from scratch. I usually hit upon a conflict because I would want to change the behaviour as well (but I can't really brake backwards compatibility) and end up doing nothing ...
 
Just a quick question: Does luaotfload on Windows follow links (you can install fonts as soft links)?
 
1:11 PM
@TeXnician I doubt it but I don't know exactly what you mean by soft link here. Perhaps related: github.com/lualatex/luaotfload/issues/270
 
@UlrikeFischer Thanks for the link, that's sounds exactly like my situation. Yes, soft links is how I would call them on Linux.
 
I came into touch with (La)TeX about 22 years ago. So, no, I'm not yet using (La)TeX for a long time.
A year and nine months ago I had an account registered at TeX LaTeX Stack Exchange.
What I did most at TeX LaTeX Stack Exchange in that time is trying to answer questions.
I'm not familiar at all with interfaces for chatting.
When I started playing around with (La)TeX, usenet was still en vogue as a means of communication and I learned a lot by reading and posting to the newsgroups comp.text.tex and de.comp.text.tex.
 
1:27 PM
@UlrichDiez yes, the main chat isn't the right place for complicated discussion about code. Mailing lists, issue trackers, usenet are better suited. You can also open a dedicated chat room and invite people to discuss there.
 
@FaheemMitha I don't know if there is such a thread. But when you look at your profile, you'll also find a tab "Edit Profile & Settings". There you find beneath other things a large input box whose title is "About me". I did not yet make full use of that feature. There's not much about me that is worth being told to the wider public. :-)
 
@UlrichDiez 22 years sounds like a long time to me. Though it's been a similar amount of time for me too.
Still a the beginner stage, though.
I've learned a lot from this site.
@UlrichDiez Actually, your profile is mostly blank.
 
1:45 PM
@UlrikeFischer No, I won't. ;-)
 
2:03 PM
@UlrikeFischer What about discussing conceptual ideas?
 
@UlrichDiez well you can try to discuss them if the right people are there. But the chat is open, there can always be interruptions by the newest duck, the newest palindrom or some football or cricket results or some other question and people can wander away. It is like discussing during a coffee break ...
 
ooh duck news
 
2:25 PM
Hello, are any of our native speakers around, please? Would you say At university, we advise students to use LaTeX or At the university, we advise students to use LaTeX? @JosephWright @DavidCarlisle @barbarabeeton
 
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@PauloCereda no duck but nice too ^^^^
 
@boycott.se-yo' -- i would include "the", but british usage may differ.
 
@UlrikeFischer :)
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh
 
@barbarabeeton ok, a friend was considering omitting the "the" to be American, so it seems I'm on the safe side :-) Thanks!
 
2:28 PM
@boycott.se-yo' Americans do not use "university" the same way Brits do. If anything we say college instead of university, but that will be confusing to a Brit.
 
@boycott.se-yo' the former if talking about university students in general, the latter if you mean the specific university where you are based
 
@boycott.se-yo' -- i've heard others omitting the "the" when they want to sound sophisticated. definitely an "affected" usage in these parts.
 
@DavidCarlisle ok, that's my impression as well.
 
@barbarabeeton wouldn't we (American's) say At college, we adivse ...
 
@barbarabeeton well, the (confusing) thing is that you wouldn't say: "At the school, I learned a lot"
well, thanks everyone!
 
2:33 PM
@boycott.se-yo' Despite this university hullabaloo, we advise old blighty students that are few sandwiches short of a picnic to use this LaTeX contraption or it’s all gone pear-shaped, Toodle Pip!
@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
@PauloCereda well suited for a cover letter indeed :-)
 
@boycott.se-yo' ooh :)
 
@StrongBad -- what you say is true, but i don't think i've heard that particular phrasing very often. more often, the name of the college replaces "college". maybe this is regional. (something to look up when time permits.)
 
@barbarabeeton My wife tell my son all the time "when you are older and go to college you will have to know LaTeX" while I tell my son "when you go to The Institute ..." as @DavidCarlisle say no "the" when it is general and "the" when you are talking a specific place (in this inside Boston joke MIT).
 
@StrongBad this all convinces me that the choice is arbitrary, because neither is wrong :-)
 
2:47 PM
@StrongBad -- yup. understand mit (was accepted there, but went to pembroke (brown) instead). and notice that "The" is also capitalized. (the reason i omit uppercase is explained in an interview posted on the tug website. this will change next year when i retire from ams.)
 
@barbarabeeton They are going to provide you with a keyboard with a working shift key as a retirement present?
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@boycott.se-yo' -- not entirely arbitrary. @DavidCarlisle got the specific reason -- you're giving an instruction for a particular university.
 
@DavidCarlisle BB'S UPPERCASE LETTERS SPONSORED BY CORSAIR KEYBOARDS
 
@barbarabeeton I know, I was slightly joking. The point is, it probably wouldn't catch anyone's attention.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- probably not, but it wouldn't surprise me if somebody snuck a shift key into the going-away cake as a joke.
 
2:51 PM
ooh uppercase cake
 
@boycott.se-yo' -- whether or not it caused somebody to take notice, it would surely be understood either way.
@PauloCereda -- you're shouting. it isn't polite to shout.
 
@barbarabeeton sorry /quacks softly
 
@barbarabeeton I think it's not shouting; I more read it as a banner/sticker on your new keyboard shipping :-)
 
@boycott.se-yo' -- well, i guess i'm just an old fuddy-duddy. you can think of me, if you wish, as a fussy old aunt who really has your best interests at heart.
 
@barbarabeeton I shall remember this sentence!
 
2:59 PM
@JosephWright How is one suposed to find the place of a ` LaTeX error: "kernel/local-global"`? With tracingmacros?
 
@UlrikeFischer Er, I'll check: that's Bruno's code :)
 
@JosephWright an example:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[check-declarations]{expl3}

\ExplSyntaxOn
\newcommand\test{ \seq_gset_from_clist:Nn \l_tmpa_seq {1,2,3,4} }
\ExplSyntaxOff


\begin{document}

\test

\end{document}
@JosephWright just realized that I should type "h" and then return.
 
@UlrikeFischer Did you try looking at the 'more text' (pressing H)?
 
@JosephWright just found it.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@DavidCarlisle I bet he was so impressed by the new site design he felt he had to join.
 
@StrongBad that could be it
 
@DavidCarlisle -- hmmm. presumably that means he's still using latex. pleased to hear it.
 
 
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5:17 PM
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5:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle Friend of yours?
 
@FaheemMitha see the latex companion author list latex-project.org/help/books.
 
@UlrikeFischer I know. I was being facetious.
It's not only British people who get to exercise their sense of humor around here.
It's all ex-math and physics people doing TeX. What they need is a TeX PhD.
 
 
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7:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle I hope you don't mind an XML question here: I'd like to write in XML using partly custom elements and the rest HTML5, then transform to HTML5 with XSLT, preserving all the parts that were already HTML. Is there a simple way to do this? So far the best I've done is just to put the HTML sections inside an <html> element and then do an identity transformation on that element.
 
8:30 PM
@musarithmia well, the original model would be that the xhtml elements are in the xhtml namespace (http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml) then you just need a copy template for that namespace and do whatever for your custom elements, but in many authoring scenarios making sure all the input elements are in distinct and correct namespaces can be a pain so it's often easier to use no namesace in the input and then make the xslt "know" which elements to copy through
 
@PhelypeOleinik Am I allowed to include this whale in the next release (I intended to add a new animal in each release)?
 
8:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle RE the original model: do you mean that I should be writing <xhtml:ol><xhtm:li> etc. or that I just need to add the namespace declaration on the root element?
 
@musarithmia that depends, on how you want to mix your custom elements, if you stick <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml> as the root element, then all child elements will be in the xhtml namespace by default so you could prefix your custom elements or have a local xmlns="something" on them to move them out of the xhtml namespace, but as I say it's often easier to use no-namespace and let xslt sort it out (it's usually better at getting namespaces right than human authors:-)
 
@Skillmon Yes, please :)
@Skillmon I didn't make it, though. Source: asciiart.website//index.php?art=animals/other%20(water)
 
@PhelypeOleinik thanks for linking the source (else credit would've been incorrect...)
 
@Skillmon You're welcome :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, so I can use <courseinfo><time></time><room></room></courseinfo> and <ol><li></li></ol> in the same document. I know I can do <xsl:template match="courseinfo"> etc. for the custom elements. Would I need to do <xsl:template match="ol | li | ..."><xsl:copy-of select="current()"></xsl:template or something similar for every single element of HTML5 that I use?
 
9:07 PM
@Skillmon There are some cool ascii drawings in that site. There's even @DavidCarlisle's plane!
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                                          *      *
                                         *      *
      ***********************************      *
    *  (  )      () () () () () ()            *
  *           *        *                   *
 *             *        *               *
  ************************************
                  *       *
                   *********
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@musarithmia if you don't use namespaces, yes, it complicates the xslt slightly but simplifies the authoring
@musarithmia if you use copy-of the entire branch below there will be copied, with no processing of custom elements so normally you would have xsl:template match="ol|...."><xsl:copy><xsl:copy-of select="@*"/><xsl:apply-templates/></xsl:copy></xsl:template>
 
@Sebastiano Did you read my comment?
 
9:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thank you so much, I'm so glad I asked! Am I right that this copies (1) a copy of the root of the current node, unchanged, and (2) the children of the current node after being processed by any templates that apply to them? In Lisp, something like (cons (car ls) (xsl-transform (cdr ls))?
 
@musarithmia yes, you can also apply templates (rather than use copy-of) for the attributes as well if you need to change them, otherwise copying is fine. xsl:copy does a "shallow copy" of just the current node and none of its descendants, which allows you to modify descendants where needed.
 
@DavidCarlisle thanks
 
@marmot Yes, of course. but yet I have not understood to exclude people who suspect
Good evening to everybody
 
@Sebastiano Very simple. If someone has never cast a downvote, (s)he cannot be the one who keeps downvoting your posts. If someone's downvote score does not increase when you receive an downvote, (s)he cannot be the one that downvoted this post. If someone's downvote score increases by one whenever you receive a downvote, you may start to suspect (s)he's the one, but this suspicion may be wrong.
@Sebastiano Buona notte!
 
9:42 PM
@marmot speaking of suspects, while walking in the mountains this week we heard horrible screeching sounds...
 
@DavidCarlisle Eagles?
 
@marmot no, some sort of over-sized rat I think.
 
@DavidCarlisle Did you forget to bring your glasses? ;-)
 
Does David wear glasses?
 
@manooooh only when reading:-)
 
9:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle this type of glasses?:
Wah, I should put Hilbert. Same name ;)
 
10:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle See? ;-)
 

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