My next door mat ....

@ChristianHupfer A very friendly person :):):)

@ChristianHupfer ooh

@PauloCereda I hope nobody will say to you "You shall not pass" in your defense :-P

@ChristianHupfer oh no

@ChristianHupfer no one can complain about a text that does not exist. :)

@PauloCereda Ha, I knew it.... it's a \phantomthesis :-P

@ChristianHupfer ooh ghosts

I got The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild!

@PauloCereda: Another door mat ... :D

@PauloCereda You got what?

@ChristianHupfer ooh that's for your door isn't it? :)

@PauloCereda Perhaps :D

@PauloCereda: But you know, I am more the Vader - Aficionado ;-)

@ChristianHupfer a game about a bloke that has to rescue his girlfriend for the n-th time. And they are some sort of elf blokes, except the bloke who stole the other bloke's girl, and the bloke is a silent bloke while the girl talks nonstop because she is the princess or some sort of royal title. And Zelda is not the bloke, is the bloke's girl, but everybody thinks that Link (the bloke's name) is Zelda, and vice-versa, but not always. This sounds suspiciously like cricket rules!

@PauloCereda There are rules in cricket? I thought some blokes in strange clothes are hitting balls with strange pads, that's all about cricket.

@PauloCereda: This is the towel for @JosephWright ;-)

@ChristianHupfer It's the English way. :)

@PauloCereda Say no more...

@ChristianHupfer I will take Joseph to a bar when in Rio, and when he asks the barman "I want H2O", I will promptly say "I want H2O too" and wait for the laugh. :D

@JosephWright ^^

Ducks are very good at telling jokes!

@PauloCereda Ask for Dihydrogenmonoxide ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ooh fancy

@PauloCereda A final one:

@PauloCereda: getdigital.de/Tastatur-Waffeleisen.html :D :D :D

@ChristianHupfer ooh

@PauloCereda Now that you know it exists you need it, don't you? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer :)

@PauloCereda Do we need resizable windows?

@TeXnician I am inclined to say no. :) Thoughts?

@PauloCereda Then we are good to go ;) Well, Griffon does not like the JavaFX way of resizing elements which makes it tedious to get a reasonable resizing behavior. In general Griffon is overcomplicating some things…

@TeXnician :) It seems the framework eases some parts and make others a bit annoying.

@PauloCereda Unfortunately I have not found the parts that it eases yet. What do you think is easier with Griffon?

@TeXnician You know more than I do. :) I think the bindings look easier in the sense than you can just indicate what to do and leave the injection to the framework.

@TeXnician: but that is as far as I went. :)

@PauloCereda Oh, JavaFX is also pretty good at bindings. With Griffon it is getting more complicated. I'm doing some comparison work, stay tuned.

@TeXnician Sure thing. Sorry I cannot help, I am a bit behind the learning curve. I still have your email to reply, it's in the works. :)

@ChristianHupfer LOL

@PauloCereda You should have got a resizable one ;)

@TeXnician ooh :)

@TeXnician writing to you as we speak. :)

@PauloCereda as we write ;)

@TeXnician ooh this is an interesting livelock

@ChristianHupfer "Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise...".

@UlrikeFischer Yes, I had that in mind too :D

@ChristianHupfer But there is no element "Ah", but one could use ArAgOg with a suitable image ...

@daleif -- the missing dot is the most obvious effect. (and it's brutally obvious!) there may be more. the document this was extracted from is quite complex (parallel, though not simultaneous, versions in russian and english), and i spent considerable time trying to "minimize" it before the author provided the (much!) simpler file.

@UlrikeFischer -- the submitted example addresses only a tiny bit of the actual document (which i don't have complete), and there may be other side effects elsewhere. but i'll pass along your suggestion to the author. thanks.

@barbarabeeton if it's just the missing dot then that's because Frank we missed out a dot, which will be fixed in first update, if there are other differences then we need to test further.

@PauloCereda You got mail.

@DavidCarlisle New bugs features in the recent LaTeX release? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle For the first time for years now I really consider not to use the next TL release -- I am scared about what could be broken ;-)

@ChristianHupfer It's gone remarkably smoothly so far, it's been live in miktex for a couple of weeks or so and essentially no bad feedback about the UTF-8 handling (the most "scary" change) and just this one error reported in \counterwithin

@ChristianHupfer Almost of the issues we've seen have been in the 'safe' changes that didn't even warrant discussion ...

@DavidCarlisle as I already wrote yesterday to Barbara: the main difference is that the redefinition of \theXXX is now global and this can naturally change existing documents.

@ChristianHupfer I'm using it without any problems.

@UlrikeFischer oh yes (sorry I am only sporadically online, and mostly via phone so not following too closely) I wonder though should it be global?

@DavidCarlisle I find this more logical. counters are global, and e.g. \@addtoreset changes globally \cl@XXX. So why should only \theXX be redefined onyl locally? (Normally it naturally doesn't matter much, as the definitions are done in the preamble).

@DavidCarlisle Did you saw that the luatex-ffi article is online?

@UlrikeFischer yes it's not clearly wrong I was going to say newtheorem only locally changes \the... but I see \expandafter\xdef\csname the#1\endcsname{% so it's already doing global so i agree global is better

@UlrikeFischer yes thanks. I don't suppose you can see how to get from that new "undocumented" harfbuzz mode to a luaotfload version do you? (I am sure we could get a suitable harfbuzz library in to texlive, the sources are already there for xetex)

@UlrikeFischer I will need to read the article again, but I did skim over it the other day

@DavidCarlisle I can see in the newest fontloader things like plug=otf.plugininitializer etc. So I think the code it there. So perhaps one simply need to use `mode=plug. But I don't know how to load the library with ffi.

@UlrikeFischer I did get ffi (for a simpler library than harfbuzz) working with the luajittex version a while back (there seemed to be issues with ffi in cygwin when they added some support for that to the main luatex) maybe I'll try again once I'm home

@DavidCarlisle The main problem is to find out how the library should be used. I found (in m-fonts-plugins.mkiv) a reference to \registerctxluafile{font-phb}{} % harfbuzz plugin. But the font-phb.lua isn't there and it is also unclear if the file isn't outdated anyway ;-(.

@michal.h21 has some experience of harfbuzz...

@DavidCarlisle yes, there are several Harfbuzz versions available for LuaTeX, the one created by Deepak Jois, which I used, the one for SWIG and the one which uses FFI.

I used luaotfload only for the font files database and the project is basically dead

@michal.h21 'the project'?

@michal.h21 yes but Hans has put a semi offical version using FFI into the context core support so probably also in luaotfload for lualatex but not clear how to really access it.

@michal.h21 guitex.org/home/images/ArsTeXnica/AT023/luaffi-article.pdf

@JosephWright github.com/michal-h21/luatex-harfbuzz-shaper

@michal.h21 Ah

@DavidCarlisle Writing a blog post about xparse

@DavidCarlisle I saw it. it would be nice if they were able to use it. as well as variable fonts support, which should be in Context too.

@PauloCereda Doctor Cereda, reception please

@percusse ack sir!

@DavidCarlisle I asked a question on the context list. Perhaps I can extract something useful. I also found a source of the article in the context distribuation and this contains an additional section with concrete context code.

@JosephWright Good evening to you. Have you seen my flag on the question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/41374/…? Thanks.

@Sebastiano Yes: I'm minded to decline it, it's not really a mod-action item

@UlrikeFischer thanks

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Incredible. I didn't know her. Thank you for sharing!

@Sebastiano In this case it's better to leave a comment saying the link is dead.

@egreg Aren't you a prof? ;-)

@marmot I should look at more tags. :-) But then I cannot earn any of the other badges there. ;-)

@egreg Actually I think life is better as a research assistant (except that these positions are usually not permanent nor coming with a good salary)