@Nasser no it's same as on linux, the tug one installis in /usr/local the system version installs in /usr/bin

@DavidCarlisle I removed all Latex from cygwin (was not easy) and now installing TUG version on of texlive using install-tl so far, it is working, but not yet completed. I hope it works ok, will try it as soon it is done. Every time I do this, I have to remove the A4 as default page size. No one I know uses A4 page size.

@DavidCarlisle the default is A4, so I have to remember to make it letter size as default. I can't even buy A4 letter size when I go to wallmart.

@Nasser you don't have to "remove" it it is an option to use a4 or us letter at install time,. basically every country in the world uses a4 except one

@Nasser it's not really a personal choice kind of thing, you can't just decide to drive on the left side of the road either

@michal.h21 if you are around, I just installed fresh TL on cygwin. Everything went ok, but it is missing nameref.4ht which is really strange, since this file should be in TL by now. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/345689/… So I downloaded copy I found on net and now make4ht compiles OK my files. I'll try to make a MWE example also. This was only error I found on this file. Here is the error message:

(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex4ht/html4.4ht)
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex4ht/html4-math.4ht))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex4ht/hyperref.4ht
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/hyperref/nameref.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/gettitlestring.sty))
! I can't find file `nameref.4ht'.
<argument> ...meref}\let \label \sv:label \input nameref.4ht

l.29 }

The above is on cygwin. Same file compiles Ok on linux, also under TL.

@michal.h21 it looks like nameref.4ht was not in TL all along? I notice now I had on linux also a copy there in my texmf to make make4ht work. I assumed it will be in TL by now, since this problem is old. May be forgot to check it in TL? If you could please check this. Thanks.

@egreg Fin ch'el va quel tant ch'el basta, lassel sta se no se guasta... (sentence by a colleague of mine)

@barbarabeeton I posted an answer as you suggested. Not sure if I should have posted more complete instructions, or if the reference to the other answer is sufficient. But after all, this is the TeX site, not the Apple site.

@CarLaTeX Fin ch'el va, no sta a meterghe e man!

@egreg :) but mine is with the rhyme :)

@Johannes_B the tikzducks problem (now deleted) isn't a tikzducks bug. You get the same effect if you use an ellipse along with unit transformation x=-1. I'm rather certain I saw a question about this somewhere, but can't find it now.

@UlrikeFischer but wasn't the post by Tarass?

@CarLaTeX yes but Johannes commented.

@Nasser yes it is in texlive, it is installed as /usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex4ht/nameref.4ht you just need to update with tlmgr nothing to do with linux/cygwin/windows differences

@UlrikeFischer ah, ok!

@Nasser Why don't you change the path order instead of uninstalling things?

OK who turned on that duck :)

It seems that the duck doesn't take no as an answer :)

It's not even April 1st yet...

@HenriMenke WAIT WHAT

@PauloCereda it's everywhere:

@PauloCereda It's also on Stack Overflow (and probably all other sites)

@DavidCarlisle ^^

@HenriMenke Ah April 1st.

@PauloCereda you can say quack to it via the microphone and it says

Hopefully on April 2nd all ducks will be removed from the site

@DavidCarlisle this emphasis is mean

@percusse and it only replies "quack"!

@DavidCarlisle Do you mean @PauloCereda and I will be removed the day after tomorrow?

@CarLaTeX he isn't the only duck (nor are you:)

@DavidCarlisle I know, there's also @JosephWright, @manooooh, you name it, will we all be removed?

@CarLaTeX Or will @DavidCarlisle have you for dinner?

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Help!

@DavidCarlisle quack

@JosephWright you there?

@DavidCarlisle I think you scared him away.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ducks are timid

@DavidCarlisle: I am turning into a Duck-o-phobic person :-(

@UlrikeFischer, @CarLaTeX: you two have been poked. :)

@ChristianHupfer oh no

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda 37 more since last time

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=ooh&user=6485&room=41

@DavidCarlisle ooh improvement

@PauloCereda 38

@PauloCereda if you had to pick one would you merge, squash or rebase (a PR)

@AlanMunn no, you misunderstood; I didn't "raise" anything

@EriktheOutgolfer Alan just meant "why did you ask about it" (which you did do!)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle do you already have date for the latex release? (I wanted to say a few words about it next week).

@DavidCarlisle because you don't often see such a thing not being "too broad", do you? :P I was bewildered by it at first

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm not that keen on the big list questions, but we have a few, it seems no less arbitrary than anything else

@EriktheOutgolfer Uh... Doesn't the description say it all?

@UlrikeFischer nominal date likely to be 2017-04-01 actual release aiming to be before the tl2018 cutoff (which is 9th I think)

I was more interested in how did it turn out to be on-topic...the links' descriptions don't exactly describe what I'm looking for

What is this "ask the duck" thingy?

Same with tex.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/fun (how do I refer to a tag again?) or tex.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/best-practices – they are more like additional flags to classify the nature of a question. I assume other sites don't have them?

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm more interested in how things like hats or "quack exchange" are on topic. It seems a bit strange to be pestered by all kinds of site-wide silliness some admin thought to be funny, and at the same time have thought police turn up to regulate what kind of questions we should be allowed to answer.

only at most half an hour with my computer on, I already hate Quack Exchange >_<

you can actually hide it though

basically April Fools is kind of a tradition

Hi everyone. I've got a crashingly trivial question about this answer:

The signature is off to the right. I looked at the definition of \parbox, and was wondering how the position of the parbox is determined horizontally.

The other option is stripping my document down to a MWE.

@EriktheOutgolfer Yes, if you can't stand the duck anymore, you could like fishes: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/361547/how-to-draw-a-fish

I already declared my hate towards the duck :P

it was hilarious, the duck was crying

@Skillmon April's fool tomorrow

@ChristianHupfer oh no!

@PauloCereda The Powers should pay copyright to you!

@CarLaTeX ooh money

@CarLaTeX It's already April 1 in some parts of the world, which is why the duck is already there.

you'd wish; copyright is usually "paid" by just an attribution

@PauloCereda They're using ducks without your permission

@AlanMunn Ooooh, I didn't think of that!

@FaheemMitha I added an \fbox to then, maybe it can give you some pointers:

@PauloCereda Thank you.

@StephanLehmke I think it's [tag:fun]. Here is a successful test: fun.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ah great. As it's not in the help screen, I'll probably have forgotten again in two years when I need it again ;-)

@StephanLehmke ban-all-ducks

@EriktheOutgolfer -- in this particular case, the answers comprise a useful bibliography, which isn't easy to find anywhere else. and it's actually very easy to rephrase the question to not appear as a request for an opinion; i shall do that. (some might still consider it "too broad", but for the intended purpose, i think that's not a problem here.)

No, this just tells me that the boxes were off to the right, which was already clear.

@StephanLehmke I cheated a bit. But you never know if what works on the main site works here.

But fun is good in general: fun fun fun fun fun fun

@DavidCarlisle ^^^^

@FaheemMitha ? @PauloCereda's image shows 6 boxes filling textwidth in two rows of three, what do you mean by "off to the right" ?

@FaheemMitha Being off to the right may be an effect of the \fbox in this case.

@DavidCarlisle I think I also found the correct cartoon for the latex release announcement

@DavidCarlisle In my case, I have two boxes. But there are to the right of the page. Not spread across it as in the answer I posted. Trying for a MWE now.

@StephanLehmke The \fboxmade no noticeable difference.

Doing the MWE stripdown thing now.

@UlrikeFischer good job I'm fluent in German:-)

@DavidCarlisle that goes without saying.

@UlrikeFischer das geht ohne zu sagen?

@UlrikeFischer The equivalent sounds funny in Norwegian. Maybe it doesn't go too well in German either.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen sounds funny in german too ;-)

@DavidCarlisle /sobs

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Did you saw the Hägar? Can you translate it to Norvegian for me?

@UlrikeFischer No. What?

Oh, that. Is he called Hägar in German? It's Håvard in Norwegian. Håvard den hardbalne. «Hvis vi ikke gir dem oppmerksomhet, går de kanskje sin veg.» Perhaps better: «Hvis vi ignorerer dem, går de kanskje sin veg.»

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Thanks ;-) That sounds good ;-)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hägar_the_Horrible) claims that it is Hårek den hardbalne in Norway. (and Hagar, o Horrível in Brazil @PauloCereda)

@UlrikeFischer Yes!

@CarLaTeX It's enough of Ducks for me, actually by now.

Just written my first latex document in UTF-32 :-)

@DavidCarlisle Does UTF-32 provide \zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz blocks by one unicode directive? ;-)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda ooh

bah null bytes don't show here:(

@PauloCereda can vim do utf-32 out of the box?

@DavidCarlisle yes :)

@PauloCereda finally something it can do: write files in a useless format that almost nothing can read.

@DavidCarlisle can emacs do it?

@PauloCereda emacs can do anything but sometimes needs a little help github.com/hsaito/hideki-emacs-utilities/blob/master/utf-32.el

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda is gonna milk this message for years to come.

@AlanMunn not if we ban him after April 2nd

@UlrikeFischer have you seen this ? If you were planning on mentioning anything, that's what we are currently planning to say

(Premptive)

we have that in common

@DavidCarlisle yes I checked the github code this morning

@UlrikeFischer Ah yes, that's right, of course. I think a couple of brain cells short circuited. It happens.

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle ooh class of equivalence

@PauloCereda Englishmen are very class conscious, I am told.

Does anyone know why on the TeX site the rubber duck only says quack while on the physics site it gives really great answers?

@marmot It will be an April Fools thing

@marmot Presumably something to do with the 'back end' set up

With respect to my earlier question, I'd set sigindent and forgot about it. Sorry about that.

@DavidCarlisle typos: paranthesis -> parenthesis, 0--127 where -> 0--127 were, "which encoding is was destined" -> ???. Also, regarding: “With 8-bit \TeX{} engines such as \hologo{pdfTeX}” — isn't it true that even TeX since TeX 3.0 (sometime in 1989/90) also is an 8-bit engine, just like pdfTeX? Actually pdfTeX may be newer than that.

@ShreevatsaR typos? must be in a bit Frank wrote:-) on pdftex true but in practice the three that are used now are pdftex,luatex,xetex so pdftex is the "main" example of inputenc use.

@DavidCarlisle Ah ok, yes pdfTeX as opposed to XeTeX and LuaTeX, makes sense

@ShreevatsaR try now

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- good answer. points to where the information is already present on the mac site, which is appropriate. thanks.

@DavidCarlisle that was fast :-)

@ShreevatsaR well i had it open in an emacs buffer already:-)

@DavidCarlisle Isn't this true for all values of it?

@AlanMunn in an ideal world, yes

i killed the duck help tool. is there a way to get it back?

@naphaneal you could click on it and ask it

that's the point. it's not there anymore

@naphaneal I was practicing my "unhelpful answer" mode:-)

@DavidCarlisle narf...

@naphaneal the fact that you have clicked on that is probably in a cookie so you could delete recent cookies in your browser

@DavidCarlisle indeed. and the cookie is fittingly called 'quack'

@naphaneal ducks have no imagination (@PauloCereda)

@DavidCarlisle But confusingly, they imagine they do.

@AlanMunn So duck imagination is like German humour?

@HaraldHanche-Olsen No comment. :)

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Sorry for annoying questions such as yesterday! Had a hard time reading expl3 code (for me it seems to blur to gray with underscores breaking commands in small parts with characters that are code (specifiers) themselves - unlike \goodGermanPhrasesYouCanReadInAFlow)

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle And I hardly could match some concepts (boxes in the diagrams) to existing stuff. Ok, I googled LDB in the meantime.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Germans have humour. It's well organized in the Library.

@StefanKottwitz Good to hear it's not out in the open.

@CarLaTeX I have heard a longer version of this joke involving more European countries.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Of course, it's a famous joke! With many versions

Heaven: cooks are French, auto mechanics are German, policemen are English, lovers are Italian, and the Swiss organise everything.

Hell: cooks and organisation like you said, auto mechanics are French, policemen are German, and the lovers are Swiss.

@CarLaTeX lol

@HaraldHanche-Olsen The only certain thing is that at the hell everything is organized by the Italians! :)

@AlanMunn :):):)

@CarLaTeX I heard it first sometime in the '80s, I think, from an EU bureaucrat.

@CarLaTeX Of course if we're all enjoying our Italian food and English humour, who needs organization.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes, I think I heard it first at that time too

@AlanMunn LOL

@JosephWright This question has now turned into a rant. Suggestions? tex.stackexchange.com/q/424117/2693

@AlanMunn Thanks: I'll take a look

Hi guys, is there a specific package for drawing root locus technique? This is a control technique. Take a look at this post tex.stackexchange.com/questions/213183/…

@CroCo I imagine not, unless googling turns up something.