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@DavidCarlisle I looked at the soulutf8 tests. Test 4 and 5 are identical to 2 and 3 with the exception that they disable \unexpanded. So they seem to try to check if soulutf8 works also on old systems without it. I would simply delete this tests. OK?
@UlrikeFischer yes I suppose we need to decide whether to have separate utex configuration or run all the tests for all engines and just have \ifx\Uchar\@undefined\else \typeout{zzz}\\expandafter\END\fi or some such and then check in suitable tlg for that non-test
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@DavidCarlisle currently I'm sorting them by engine with different config-files. But it should be rather easy to change. There are also tests which should done only with luatex.
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yes, but how can we find the specific part where it say "<code>array</code> is the same page a portrait of the new régime of the efforts of one's own) is designed to accept <code>foobar</code> (and give sensible output. Next is to buy a good and easily accessible and easy to understand guide to it
At the risk of getting downvoted ...
Why should I use LaTeX for presentations?
Most likely you should not. Beamer encourages bad presentation practices.
This is not just about Beamer vs PowerPoint. It is about writing markup vs designing graphically.
Let me quote from one answer here:
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Actually, I do think that people, especially less experienced students, will choose to make slides with LaTeX for the very wrong reasons, and the quality of the presentation will suffer. The answer is serious, not a joke. People who wonder about this topic will inevitably find this QA with Google. I think they should be advised from both angles, even if this is a TeX site.
@Szabolcs I don't agree with your analysis. Actually, beamer lists are huge and not so easy to make smaller. In PPT, everyone sets the text size way too small because there is little control over default vs custom. And then the slides get cluttered.
@boycott.se-yo' I am not surprised that you disagree. I expect that most people in this chatroom mainly use Beamer and are biased due to their experience. That is one of the reasons why I wrote the answer.
I am aware that I do use tools that I am very experienced with even when they might not be the best choice, just because it is too tempting, too convenient, and too much trouble and time to learn something else well enough to be truly productive.
I don't think it's worth arguing about technical details of specific systems, so I won't point out how to change the default font size in PowerPoint. The point I was trying to make would apply in general to markup-based vs graphical systems.
Some people make their slides in MarkDown. I dislike the result for the same reason I dislike many (but definitely not all) Beamer presentations.
@Szabolcs Have you read my post? I don't care about the default font size, the thing is that everyone switches to the non-default one when using powerpoint. I would be the most happy if this was impossible so directly. That would improve the quality of many powerpoint presentations by less experienced people.
@Szabolcs Actually I suspect I'd agree with much of your main point (presentations are visual artefacts) but the one (and only) time I tried to use powerpoint I found it unusable, possibly because i'm not used to any wysiwyg editor, I just found it impossible to work out why lists were turning into nested lists and fonts just seemed to have a mind of their own:-)
@DavidCarlisle Imho it should be your decision as you currently will have to run the checks and perhaps change and resave tests. If you prefer a flat layout with "dummy" tlg's simply say so. Currently I see "only pdftex", "no xetex", "only luatex", "all engines, same tlg", "all engines, different tlg" and perhaps some "only plain" tests (not sure about the last, will have to check again). (You don't have to decide now, I can change later).
@UlrikeFischer no multiple configs are fine, we mostly go the other way in base but the multiple config setup is newer, so it would be good to give it a more intensive trial....
@Szabolcs but that's the biggest problem IMHO. Badly placed figure means that either it was at an irrelevant place on the slide, or it was a part of a poorly made diagram. And you see both of these equally in the two I'd say.
I do think there is a place for Beamer. The other day I attended a two-day course on some advanced mathematical topic. I usually prefer that the lecturer uses the blackboard, but blackboard is slower than slides, and this time almost a semester's worth of material was crammed into two exhausting days.
@Szabolcs Just one minor thing to add: I know some people who are making slides which they distribute to their students, so they mix presentation and lecture notes. Your post argues not to do this and for most presentations you are right, but some people do not have the time (or are not willing) to prepare both, so they use a presentation tool to create some mixture. And I know people who produce this kind of slides with PP and with Beamer.
It was very useful in the end to get the Beamer slides which actually had enough information that I can still make sense of them. They also have information that had to be skipped over during the lecture.
This was not the type of presentation I was thinking of when writing the answer.
@TeXnician Well, in both beamer and PP it should be easy to add contents that are not shown on slides, but are shown in handouts. In PP there are "comments to slides" IIRC, in Beamer, you can easily add contents to the <article> mode only, it's one macro.
@TeXnician You are basically saying the same thing I wrote in the last two messages above (before I read yours). I fully agree. That sentence in my answer was not fair.
@boycott.se-yo' Yes, of course. Then you'd had to know the tool. And that's the problem here, knowing how to give presentations, choosing the tool and then knowing the tool. Let's say that reality proves the theory (it is easy to achieve a clear distinction) wrong quite often :)
@TeXnician indeed. Funnily enough, a 1-hour investment into training here would make things better and very likely faster in long-term :-) But this doesn't include things like finding the trainer etc. of course...
Just a note on this comment: "If you know how to make good presentations the tool plays a subordinate role" TikZ can draw, but you wouldn't draw a portrait with it. Right tool for the right job is part of knowing how to do your work well.
@TeXnician I used it when I was a kid on my father's PC. I think there is some kind of FOSS clone of it (there should be one, but I don't know for sure).
You can have as many \caption as you need in a figure
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\begin{document}
\listoffigures
\begin{figure}[thp]
\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}
\centering
\includegraphics{man}
\caption{man}
\end{minipage}%
\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}
\centering
\in...
@DavidCarlisle Good. One has to be a bit careful not to split too much, and one has to remember to use the --config=... switch, but beside this I like it, checks are faster and one can more easily run a subset.
@Vrouvrou you don't make it easy for anyone to trace the code, do you have to make your tikz picture have so many nodes to show the issue and do you really need all those packages?
We are launching some editor improvements today. These improvements are required as a part of our responsive design efforts, but we think they are generally useful in any case. So we are making them available on all sites.
So, what's being improved?
Adding a link and image in your post is no lo...
@PauloCereda If I'm not mistaken, a base function is the one you write the definition, which only takes N and n type arguments, so non base functions are the ones defined using \cs_generate_variant:Nn.
@JosephWright I do have a curious tlg with the pagegrid-test1.lvt here: github.com/u-fischer/test-oberdiek/tree/master/testfiles. For some reason the luatex.tlg (and only this one) contains an absolute path: d:/texlive/2018/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz/libraries. What's going on?
@UlrikeFischer It's the infamous out-by-one LuaTeX line length business
@UlrikeFischer To work out which lines to wrap, I have to have some idea of what should and should not be considered as one line. That partly depends on finding 'full length' lines. Most of the time, LuaTeX is out-by-one compared to pdfTeX, but here for some reason it wraps in the same place as pdfTeX.
@UlrikeFischer I guess I could add another check for path-like lines that are the 'original' length ...
@JosephWright curious. A lot would be easier if the log were better sorted, the context system has its pros. But as we can't change pdftex or xetex ...
@JosephWright Last I checked, LuaTeX was incorrectly counting bytes not characters (and even characters is a rough measure, as there are zero width and double width characters). But that was years ago, might have been fixed now. IIRC, XeTeX had a similar issue that I fixed.
@JosephWright Can't you use the “Information reporting callbacks” and format the log the way you need (not sure if they cover everything and it is probably a quite bit of work).
At the risk of getting downvoted ...
Why should I use LaTeX for presentations?
Most likely you should not. Beamer encourages bad presentation practices.
This is not just about Beamer vs PowerPoint. It is about writing markup vs designing graphically.
Let me quote from one answer here:
...
You can have as many \caption as you need in a figure
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\begin{document}
\listoffigures
\begin{figure}[thp]
\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}
\centering
\includegraphics{man}
\caption{man}
\end{minipage}%
\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth}
\centering
\in...
We are launching some editor improvements today. These improvements are required as a part of our responsive design efforts, but we think they are generally useful in any case. So we are making them available on all sites.
So, what's being improved?
Adding a link and image in your post is no lo...
