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7:20 AM
Quack!
São Paulo today, I am ready for the shaky bus!
 
7:53 AM
@PauloCereda Translator's note (2017 edition) "Just use google translate, it'll be fine."
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yo'
9:43 AM
@PauloCereda gotta love teh comma before the closing quotation mark
 
@yo' Utter nonsense.
 
yo'
10:06 AM
@egreg well, British typography, no need for any sense, you just need to do it for centuries and then it's right.
 
@yo' Imho that's american. At least the csquotes documentation says "The American quotation style is special in that it requires that a period or a comma immediately after a closing quotation mark be moved inside the quotes,".
 
yo'
@UlrikeFischer yeah, this is probably right. Anyway, American syntax and typography have always made a little sense...
(no offence to either British or American...)
 
@UlrikeFischer I think so too. Here is a relevant quote from Eats, Shoots and Leaves: “The basic rule is straightforward and logical: when the punctuation relates to the quoted words it goes inside the inverted commas; when it relates to the sentence, it goes outside. Unless, of course, you are in America.”
 
 
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12:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle :D
@yo' Fantastic! :D
 
@PauloCereda Tenha fé
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: Oh no, Will has forked l3build!
 
12:50 PM
@PauloCereda Don't worry, I'll merge very quickly
 
@PauloCereda the git way: me, I just copied it changed it and checked in a changed copy into a different repo:-)
@JosephWright which reminds me I should delete that copy now the main l3build updated for space in filenames
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll do a release later today
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
1:06 PM
Anyone know if hyperref correctly handles \hyperref[label1]{Text \ref{label2}}? That is disables the inner \ref? In my use case, I have something even stranger, the \@currentlabel that label2 has graped is actually \ref{labelC}. I just wonder how one can check that we do not have hyperlink inside hyperlink inside hyperlink
 
1:39 PM
It seems, it does not. Damn.
 
@daleif You can use \ref*{label2}, then there is no link.
 
@UlrikeFischer In my case this lead to errors. I'm make an MWE
 
@TeXnician I got a little carried away, re-reading my answer it was not an answer, I deleted it :)
 
@daleif I think \hypertarget is better than \hyperref here!
 
2:46 PM
@UlrikeFischer There was a bad \let\ref\@refstar internally in some of my code, bette to use a macro that could also handle \ref* as well and send it all to \@refstar
 
I got round writing a blog post about syntax highlighting in TeXworks by getting my patterns added to the main codebase :)
 
3:20 PM
@JosephWright for expl3?
 
@DavidCarlisle Does include LaTeX DTX where I have : and _ as 'letters'
# control sequences
blue		N	\\(?:[A-Za-z@:_]+|.)
@DavidCarlisle I didn't do a separate expl3 one (one could I guess for .sty files or similar)
 
I want to right-align the page numbers in an index. How do I do that? Do I need to edit the style file?
I don't know where to find an .ist file in Windows using MiKTeX.
 
@ahorn Never edit a style or class file.
 
How can I right-align the page numbers in an index?
 
@ahorn Oh, Windows? I am out of my depth already. Also, don't know too much about .ist files. Maybe someone else can pitch in.
 
3:30 PM
Am I supposed to copy the file before editing it? tex.stackexchange.com/q/132465
 
@ahorn The standard method, if you need to modify a .sty file, is to create your own, which then uses \RequirePackage to load the original, then proceeds to override some of its internal definitions. With class files, it's a bit more involved, but the same idea.
 
 
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5:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle As you currently looking at files with unusual number of dots: perhaps you have an idea how to solve this here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/390895/…
 
@ahorn the answer there doesn't suggest an edit it suggests a complete file save as zzz.ist and then use as makeindex -s zzz.ist .....
@UlrikeFischer thanks, I'll look
 
6:15 PM
@UlrikeFischer works for me but I didn't try on linux
 
@DavidCarlisle The extra space doesn't work for me on windows (neither texlive nor miktex). (I also tried more layers of braces and other things).
 
@UlrikeFischer odd, for me the code in the question worked with pdftex but luatex gave the error described so I assumed it was {..} being dropped if it was the whole argument, hence the space. listing file = {{coucou}\relax} , also works for me
 
6:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sorry I had tested with pdflatex. There it doesn't work. With luatex both the both and \relax works here too.
 
@UlrikeFischer yes it will fail with pdftex as it ensures that the {} gets passed to the primitive \openin but you can only delimit filenames with braces in luatex.
 
6:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle I had tried to preverse the braces by adding more layers, but the code seem to remove sometimes two and sometimes three and so it didn't work. Btw: Regarding dots in graphics files. Imho the code should at first try the "correct" file name (with one dot) and then the rest. People who use sensible file names should be rewarded by the fastest compilation ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer yes, one thing I'm not sure of though is \includegraphics{zzz.zzz} currently it'll take the extension as .zzz and either error or if the driver has a defaullt file type try that. I think if allowing multiple dots it should instead try adding extensions so find zzz.zzz.png if it exists. but that means if \includegraphics{zzz.png} doesn't find the file it will try zzz.png.png, zzz.png.pdf etc and give a slightly differemt warning if none exist.
@UlrikeFischer I want \includegraphics{Datei mit. mehrere Punkte und ausländische Akzente} to work.
 
7:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's complicated, perhaps you could make a growing list of fails "I didn't find zzz.zzz, zzz.zzz.png, zzz.zzz.pdf, ... and now I'm giving up".
 
@UlrikeFischer I think all graphics drivers should have a .zzz extension in the graphics extensions list, just in case.
 
@DavidCarlisle If you start this someone will ask for a .duck extension ...
 
@UlrikeFischer it could be arranged...
 
WE NEED SUPPORT FOR A DUCK EXTENSION
 
@PauloCereda An extra long tail?
 
7:32 PM
@mickep ooh
It should go on LaTeX3 team bill...
/ba dum tss
 
@PauloCereda I was thinking maybe it should auto-rotate the image and colour it a nice shade of brown....
 
@DavidCarlisle you are mean (from the shaky bus)
 
Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
@DavidCarlisle do you have that bookmarked?
 
@PauloCereda no but if you type not mean into the search box it usually shows up
 
7:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@PauloCereda If you think it's been quoted too often I could stop
@PauloCereda and go back to:
Jan 12 '16 at 12:15, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda finished your thesis?
 
8:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ever heard of \scriptspace?
@DavidCarlisle Oh, no! It doesn't show up with \showoutput. :-P
 
@egreg something was telling me that wasn't quite right but I believed \showoutput ... sigh, have you answered, I guess I'll delete
 
8:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle Memory is faulty? ;-)
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Q: Spacing between several superscripts mboxes

LinuxssI'm getting a small extra space between two superscripts in separate math objects. MVE: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} zz$\mbox{zz}^{\mbox{a,a,}}$$^{\mbox{a,a}}$ \end{document} There's no extra space between math texts zz and zz (marked as red 1), but there is a small one between...

 
@egreg seems that way, but at least in that question it's good to see the tick location
 
 
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10:26 PM
@yo' -- the placement of that comma is hateful, but that's what is decreed by the chicago manual of style, which i cheerfully and faithfully ignore in such a situation. fowler's diktat makes much more sense -- he says to put the comma where it makes sense! (sorry for being late to the party. just got back from baltimore and my high school reunion. i won't say which one.)
 
@barbarabeeton And we won't ask. :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle you are mean. :)
 
11:00 PM
@PauloCereda oh now what can I quote, perhaps
Feb 14 '14 at 9:24, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda we could interview you
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no :)
@DavidCarlisle: keep the you are not mean quote. :)
 

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