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5:12 AM
@DavidCarlisle because you were younger?
3 hours later…
8:27 AM
Quack! :)
@yo' I wonder where Vivi is nowadays
@PauloCereda Good question
8:46 AM
@JosephWright In other news, I am tempted to try GitKraken
#persone Enrico Gregorio nel LaTeX Team Complimenti e Happy TeXing Enrico! http://profs.sci.univr.it/~gregorio/ https://www.latex-project.org/about/team/
@egreg ^^ :D
@PauloCereda I installed it but tend to prefer to use xterm :-)
@DavidCarlisle uh-oh :)
@PauloCereda I think it's because I've used windows so long, or something.
@DavidCarlisle Oh I think it's because we are terminal-oriented. :)
Terminal is the most used application of my entire system.
@PauloCereda Similar here: I quite like a GUI for a quick look at the log, but many operations are easier using the prompt. (SourceTree for example can do rebasing but I've found it easier to do that using nano)
8:58 AM
@JosephWright Indeed. I think I have almost the same workflow.
@JosephWright: just for fun, I took a look at the Tower client for git, it seems they want to be in the opposite direction: they want you to use only drag and drop to work with git!
9:20 AM
@PauloCereda Fake news? ;-)
@egreg It's on Twitter, it's in Italian, it must be true! :)
@egreg @CarLaTeX tempted by any of these toppings? bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-42234813/…
9:35 AM
@DavidCarlisle I can't watch the video at the moment but I'm scared of it.
10:00 AM
@CarLaTeX No pineapples involved as far as I can see. But I wonder what they used to avoid that the toppings fly around.
10:13 AM
What would be the result of a pizza with a \strut topping?
@UlrikeFischer I was wondering that, too! :):):)
@UlrikeFischer Superglue?
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11:21 AM
@StefanKottwitz texample.net down?
11:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle It is down for me as well. Did you upload some strange example changing cat codes and so on? ;)
@mickep no just 10000 images of pineapple pizza as requested by @CarLaTeX
@DavidCarlisle \dorecurse{10000}{yummy\par}
12:09 PM
user image
@DavidCarlisle ^^ HELP
@DavidCarlisle I've just recommended some restaurants to an English couple (the husband spoke Italian very well).
Turists in Galleria Vittorio Emanuele
@CarLaTeX So David and his wife were clearly in Italy
@PauloCereda Maybe, the husband looked like David's photo :):):)
@CarLaTeX ooh
Was he monochromatic?
@PauloCereda No, but he had a sweater with Vim logo
12:16 PM
@PauloCereda Of course!
@PauloCereda finish thesis first
@DavidCarlisle oh
@DavidCarlisle Thanks! Database service issue, checking it.
12:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle fixed, thanks
12:50 PM
@StefanKottwitz thanks
1:15 PM
is there a not-manual way to transform a presentation or an article into a report?
@Nepumuk You mean in typesetting terms or the actual content?
@Nepumuk there are hardly any differences between article and report document classes (they come from the same source file) what transformation do you need?
1:52 PM
Q: Why can you use the font “Helvetica” for free in LaTeX although it would otherwise be required to pay a fee?

NemgathosWhen looking for the Helvetica font, it usually costs you a certain amount of money because it is not a free font. But when I am using the free open source software LaTeX, I can use the font wherever I want. But I cannot, for example, use it when writing documents in Word or OpenOffice. Why is t...

@Wrzlprmft The key is that the name is not actually Helvetica ...
@JosephWright Don’t tell me; tell them …
@Wrzlprmft It might be hard to explain: I guess I can try
2:14 PM
@Wrzlprmft I've posted an answer: we'll see how it goes down
2:44 PM
@PauloCereda sorry, with my memory on people, I have actually no idea who you speak about :(
btw, one bad move with my smartphone cost me 85 EUR :(
@yo' She was a (Brazilian) TeX.sx regular when the site started.
@PauloCereda ah ok
@yo' ;)
3:40 PM
how do I allign this? source code github.com/al2helal/LaTeX_Work/tree/master/CV
minipage environment is used in Address and CV package is used for the entire CV.
@alhelal without looking at the source, does a \noindent in front of the minipage change anything?
@mickep This work. Thank you.
@JosephWright postscript or tex points I wonder
3:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Asking the real questions! :)
@DavidCarlisle :)
@JosephWright What do you mean by this?
@alhelal I thought the '100 pt' headline was amusing
@alhelal Templates strike again
@JosephWright oh my
@JosephWright That means, do they give the heading font as 100pt?
@JosephWright I found "A local newspaper accidentally published its print instructions on the front page instead of a headline."
4:03 PM
@alhelal Seems so
@alhelal That's the one
@JosephWright we had a similar incident here where an old lady was celebrating her birthday. The editor added a remark, "include only the old hag", which accidentally got printed.
@JosephWright in other font news from the BBC:
@DavidCarlisle :)
4:37 PM
Hi, very short question about the TeX live installation along with TeXworks
I have used the automated script to download all the packages etc
And every so many months my tex live manager just goes haywire, and I have to reinstall the whole thing to install a single package
I have tried the obvious stuff, like reinstalling strawberry perl and attempting to download a "fresh file" for the tlmgr.exe
But so far only a complete reinstall works, which takes the better part of a day to finish (on average it takes about 7 hours for me)
@UlrikeFischer: great updates :D
So is there anything I could look at before reinstalling texworks completely another time?
Oh, my definition of haywire is:
Whenever I try to install or update a package, tex live manager crashes with the message "perl.exe" has stopped working
I downloaded my distro around early september this year
@PauloCereda ??
@UlrikeFischer duck project. :)
@PauloCereda Thought so but can't see anything.
4:45 PM
@UlrikeFischer I cannot commit these files, they are far too large... :(
4:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sometimes comments about @egreg 's answers are very appropriate.
Argh! Sorry, didn’t see it, it’s so low in ranking! — gigabytes 2 hours ago
5:11 PM
@PauloCereda you got mail.
1 hour later…
6:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Hi, is your bug report bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/standalone/issues/25/… still up to date? It seems to work well with the current dvips
However, it stops working when I change the papersize special order as you suggested. Could it be that dvips now takes the last special not the first?
@UlrikeFischer ^
Found it: "By default, if a DVI file contains multiple ‘papersize’ specials, the last one wins; this is also the behavior of the dvipdfmx driver. If the -L0 command line option or L0 config file command is specified, the first special wins—this was the behavior of Dvips prior to the 2017 release."
@MartinScharrer in tl 2017 and miktex the last special wins if one doesn't use -L0, see e.g. my explanation here sourceforge.net/p/miktex/bugs/2577/#464b
@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle: So the best solution would be for standalone to add the papersize twice? Once before and once after graphics adds it. This way it works with either dvips setting.
6:43 PM
@MartinScharrer ah yes dvips changed (do match dvipdfmx and pdflatex)
@MartinScharrer are you loading graphics in standalone? (in which case you could use the nosetpagesize option) or do you need to cope with users loading in different orders
6:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle No I don't load graphics
7:09 PM
And the class should be loaded always first.
@MartinScharrer graphics sets it \AtBeginDocument to whatever \paperwidth and \paperheight are at that point, so as long as you set those lengths as well as the \special then it shouldn't matter if graphics does the special again
7:34 PM
@UlrikeFischer: you got mail and a surprise. :)
8:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle I changed the code now following your input: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/standalone/commits/…
8:47 PM
@MartinScharrer thanks I'll try and test later
9:28 PM
I was trying to convince a user on another site that tex.sx is the nicest SE site (limited down voting and closing, welcoming new users, etc). I know there are a lot of meta questions. Is there a meta meta question on being nice that captures all the other ones?
Q: TeX.SE really are nicer voters

Lyndon WhiteI've heard a rumour, that people on TeX.SE are nicer and more inclinded not to down vote, where as people on Programmers.SE are the opposite. The first is true, where as the second is not. Here are some statistics: ╔═══════════╦════════╦═════════╦══════════╦══════════╦═══════╦════════╦════════╗...

Q: A proposal to include a duck in our background image

Paulo CeredaNowadays, TeX and friends are far beyond of just academic usage. I would like to propose the inclusion of a greyscale duck (courtesy of tikzducks) in our background image. This is the current image: The following image is a concept sketch. Note how graceful the duck is when compared to the oth...

@StrongBad there's also this one by some Italian bloke who managed to find the ask a question button
Q: Some thoughts about TeX.StackExchange

egregTo begin with, this is not a real question, so probably it will soon be removed by our moderators, but I'm writing it anyways. The day after tomorrow will be one year since I registered to TeX.StackExchange. My profile page today says "Visited 365 days, 365 consecutive" (but this is a leap year)...

@StrongBad Tell them to hit the chat. Because really, the point is that TeX.SE has got a soul.
@yo' was chat always active from the beginning or did it grow slowly?
9:43 PM
@StrongBad who knows now, you'd have to ask the old here ... @egreg (remember I'm only user number 11002)
@DavidCarlisle Hence @JosephWright is the culprit for @egreg's LaTeX3 mania!
Jan 14 '14 at 10:05, by Paulo Cereda
!!/eightball can we blame @Joseph for L3 stuff? :)
Oct 30 '10 at 16:14, by Yossi Farjoun
hey! we have a chat room!! OMG!!
@CarLaTeX some of the early chat comments are hard to understand. do you understand this one? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=8957700#8957700
@DavidCarlisle Oooh! The pizza topic since April 2013!
@CarLaTeX I have always tried to teach some uncultured people what proper food is.
@CarLaTeX 2011
Feb 4 '11 at 21:43, by Martin Scharrer
@StefanKottwitz: Just finished my pizza myself :-)
9:55 PM
@egreg Unfortunately, without success :):):)
@DavidCarlisle Pizza before Italians in chat! Oh
@CarLaTeX Nah, that's German pizza
@egreg Ah, OK, like the pineapple one, it doesn't count
@DavidCarlisle the newspaper around means you are throwing it in the bin?
@CarLaTeX the newsprint gives it extra flavour (perhaps after brexit they will get rid of the pesky laws against poisoning people and allow the traditional wrapping again:-)
@DavidCarlisle ^^^ @egreg, a lost battle
10:18 PM
@egreg You've edited one of my answers. I'm not against the edit I just want to ask for the reason. You removed some unnecessary % at the end of line here. I don't think they do any harm so why bother and remove them?
@Skillmon I guess 'best practice': ideally lines which end in a control word don't have a % (expect in special cases)
@JosephWright The problem I see here, is that new users could see many answers where there is no trailing % because it is unnecessary there and leave it out on other points where it would be mandatory. So my personal opinion on this is to let them stay if they don't do harm while knowing they are not really needed. I think my filesystem can handle the few bytes more I need on a per file basis.
10:33 PM
@Skillmon Avoiding unnecessary % is better in order to tell people that one should think where to place them. There's a good example on the site where a misplaced % leads to filling memory.
@egreg never encountered that. If anybody has a link I'd be fascinated. And review my opinion :)
A: When is it harmful to add percent character at end of lines in a \newcommand, or similar

egregTokenization stage The general rule is that spaces after control words (\par, for instance) are ignored, while after control symbols (\!, for instance) are retained; spaces at the beginning of a line are ignored altogether. Consecutive spaces are transformed into one space token but two consecut...


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