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3:55 AM
@Johannes_B Thanks, fixed!
 
 
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6:04 AM
@yo' yay snow
@Johannes_B ooh :)
 
yo'
6:22 AM
@PauloCereda everywhere :)
 
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Q: Word to describe an absorbing activity which causes one to fail to notice the passage of large amounts of time

RinThe phrase, "Time flies when you're having fun," is often used when one has become absorbed in an activity and lost track of time. I'm looking for a word to describe something that has a tendency to cause someone to lose track of time. I want a word that can be used similarly to something like: ...

^^^ TeX.SE?
 
6:54 AM
How do I make a command escape a group? If I call \renewcommand\thecounter { … } within an environment definition, it works, but as soon as the environment exits, so does the containing group, and \thecounter is reset to its original value.
I want to make sure that the value of \thecounter is specific to each environment instance which I'm counting.
The reason I need it to "escape" the environment/grouping is so that if I make a reference to the environment later, the text for \ref{thisenvironment} will display the value set by the \thecounter inside the environment.
 
7:43 AM
@Robbie If things are correctly defined \ref will use the value of \the.... that was local at the point of the \label which is why if you say \pageref a page in the frontmatter it will show a roman number if that page was set in roman, even if in the main body \thepage is \arabic{page}
 
It doesn't in my LaTeX3 package that I'm writing
 
@Robbie then you are doing something wrong in some code you haven't shown:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle The relevant code can be found in my question from a few days ago. The \renewcommand is buried within a LaTeX3 function, which is probably part of the problem, but I don't know where it should be defined.
 
@Robbie but I don't see how a global definition would help. If different instances of teh environment need different formatting you need to know the formatting at that point, just having each environment globally over-write will not help. If (the normal case) all instances use the same formatting, the definition of \thefoo only needs to be made once, outside of any group.
@Robbie the \renewcommand\thequestion{ \l__teachingtools_question_label_format_tl } ? you don't need to do that at all, you are "re" defining it to the same thing every time.
 
@DavidCarlisle Generally each environment would have the same format, but the catch is that the format can be set by the user via l3keys, and changed on an as-desired basis.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but the value of \l_teachingtools_question_label_format_tl itself changes depending on the options passed to the environment.
 
7:53 AM
@Robbie yes but as I say you want a \ref to refer to the format used in the environment you reference not have some global definition so that a \ref uses the format of whichever instance happened most recently
@Robbie that isn't relevant to the \renewcommand though, the definition of \l_teachingtools_question_label_format_tl isn't consulted at that point (it doesn't need to be defined at all)
 
Wow, @DavidCarlisle, you're very chic with that hat :)
 
@CarLaTeX as always
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
8:06 AM
The \l_teachingtools_question_label_format_tl never seems to be defined when I use the code in the package, but modifying the MWE in that question makes it behave.
 
8:21 AM
Ah figured it out (I think)
 
8:46 AM
@Robbie just define it at the top level to be \arabic{question} and define \thequestion at the top level to be \l_teachingtools_question_label_format_tl
 
@DavidCarlisle That's more-or-less what I did, but I had to make sure that the format was correctly generated on the first run. The \teachingtools_generate_question_label_format: function is called once when the package is loaded, immediately after the keys are set up, and then called once each time a new question environment is created to force an update. That way if settings are changed during the document, the new format will be picked up.
 
9:42 AM
Good morning to all users.
@egreg Hi prof. Please, can I have an your help for the site Mathematics? Good work.
 
@Sebastiano Where?
 
@egreg I'm not very good in English. But since two months I can not ask a question and I have the account blocked. What I have to do ?
@CarLaTeX Hi, How could you notice when I answer a question several times I do not understand what the user asks. :-(
 
@Sebastiano Wait until you're again able to post questions.
 
@egreg I can not cancel the question because 1 and i are linearly independent. And the other three, if I remember correctly, I have little positive reputation.
 
9:51 AM
@UlrikeFischer Good morning
@egreg I see this image.
 
@egreg Prof. thanks a lot. I have read the link. But maybe the reputation of my questions is very low and it stops me from asking a question. "The only way to end a posting block is to positively contribute to the site; automatic bans never expire or "time out"."
 
@Sebastiano so as it says in the help page you should by editing all your old questions to try to improve them, before asking new ones, that's the purpose of the ban system.
 
@DavidCarlisle Hi, sir David. I'm trying.
 
@Sebastiano Don't worry, sometimes also the questions aren't clear :)
 
10:05 AM
@Sebastiano as the mechanism that triggers the ban is secret that is all you can do... just improve the questions hope that they then pick up positive votes and get yourself unbanned. I assume deleting the very negative questions might also help.
 
@Sebastiano Take, for instance, math.stackexchange.com/q/2493481/62967; I fixed some grammar, but the question is still very generic and so it attracts downvotes. Adding a specific problem could improve it.
 
@DavidCarlisle I not can delete the very negative questions.
@egreg Thanks a lot lot. I have edited this now. math.stackexchange.com/questions/2077911/…
 
@Sebastiano You have made it even worse, I'm afraid. It makes no sense at all.
 
@DavidCarlisle NO!
 
@JosephWright I assume that's no to deleting questions rather than no to improving questions?
 
10:13 AM
@DavidCarlisle Yes: deleted questions still count, and it's entirely possible that the number of deleted questions is one of the factors
 
@DavidCarlisle @egreg The recreation is coming to an end and I have to go back to the classroom: (Excuse me with all my heart, I'll try to connect as soon as I can.) Always thanks for your help.
 
@Sebastiano It makes no sense to ask whether two things are linearly independent without specifying the context. If you consider C as a vector space over R, then 1 and i are linearly independent; they aren't if C is considered as a vector space over C.
@Sebastiano As it stands, the question is the same as asking whether my bike and my chair are linearly independent.
 
@egreg are they?
 
@DavidCarlisle Only if considered over a finite field, of course. But the field should have a number of elements divisible by 42.
 
@egreg :)
 
10:24 AM
@egreg LOL I should ask my boss
 
@CarLaTeX Ask him to characterize all finite fields whose cardinality is divisible by 42; there's a neat answer. ;-)
 
@CarLaTeX your boss is a mouse?
 
@DavidCarlisle :):):) No, but he has some problems with summation symbols, ask @egreg
 
10:39 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh clever!
 
@DavidCarlisle Please explain the reference, I didn't get it! I'm not clever :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX same reference as @egreg's 42 which is the answer to the ultimate question, the most intelligent beings on the planet (known to humans as mice) have spent years trying to work out what the question was.
@CarLaTeX : Mice are not, as is commonly assumed on Earth, small white squeaking animals who spend a lot of time being experimented on.

In fact, they are the protrusions into our dimension of hyper-intellegent pan-dimensional beings. These beings are in fact responsible for the creation of the Earth.

Two mice (Frankie and Benjy) escaped from Earth before the premature termination of its programme. They had belonged to an Earthling known as Trillian. They were rather keen to remove Arthur Dent's brain to reveal the ultimate question, which they had devoted a lot and time and money to finding.
@greg interesting definition of \tablename
 
10:56 AM
@DavidCarlisle I think I must read the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy :)
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@CarLaTeX Don't Panic!
 
@CarLaTeX Maybe the next time you visit Milliways ;)
 
@DavidCarlisle Panic (cit. Airplane!)
@TeXnician I must definitely read it!
 
@CarLaTeX The movie is also not bad.
 
@TeXnician Oooh there's also a movie!
 
 
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12:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle The question gets less clear each time a bit of information is added.
 
1:04 PM
@egreg you could borrow my monocle
 
@DavidCarlisle Not the top hat.
 
@egreg no, I need that to keep Rabbits in
 
@DavidCarlisle Remember to add some carrots to feed them
 
@egreg they don't exist until pulled out of the hat, so no feeding necessary
 
1:22 PM
Is Harvey among them?
 
@egreg shh that's a secret
 
2:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle I wonder how many here catch the reference.
 
@egreg those old enough to have used amstex
 
 
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@samcarter thank you for the chrismas card ;-)
 
Oh no!!! ^^^ LOL
 
 
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6:32 PM
Hey! A post by Barbara with capital letters!!!!! (five ! are a bare minimum)
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@egreg link?
 
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Q: Textual substitution of macros in a LaTeX file

Daniele TampieriThis is a question I am asking due to my personal experience in writing articles: I define commands (parametrized or not) to save time and reduce typos in formulas all around the paper. A very simple example I use very often is the following one: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{amsmath} ... ...

 
@TorbjørnT. Thank you! Oooh an official post!
 
7:02 PM
It is very nice to see @barbarabeeton's answers with inside info from AMS :)
 
7:43 PM
@UlrikeFischer You're welcome! And thanks again for your part in the great Christmas extravaganza - this was really touching to watch!
 
8:38 PM
hello, please how i can write this
 
@Vrouvrou \begin{multline} W^1 .... \bigl\{.... \\ \int .... \bigr\}\end{multline}
 
under $ ?
 
@Vrouvrou no multline is a display math environment (amsmath package)
 
ok thank you very much
 
8:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle please how to obtain "for any" just under the integral
\begin{multline}
W^{m ,\Phi}(\Omega)= \bigl\{u\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega); ~\text{there exists}~ \{g_{\alpha}\}\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega), \alpha=(\alpha_1,\ldots,\alpha_N), ~\text{such that}\\\int_{\Omega}u\frac{\partial^{\alpha}\varphi}{\partial ^{\alpha_1}x_1\ldots\partial^{\alpha_N}x_N}dx=(-1)^{||\alpha||_{S}}\int_{\Omega}g_{\alpha}\varphi dx,\\\text{for any}~ \varphi\in C^{\infty}_0(\Omega)~\text{and}~ ||\alpha||_{S}\leq m \bigr\}\nonumber
\end{multline}
?
 
@Vrouvrou that's a three line layout so multline centres the middle lines. But now you have two = so I'd guess you want align and &= to align the = but it depends what you want, better to make a proper complete example and ask a question on the main site, hard to debug that much tex just by looking at it in chat
 
9:21 PM
Home!
 
I want for any under int
 
@Vrouvrou There is no “for any” that I can see
 
@egreg in the text \\text{for any} which apparently doesn't relate to the image at all...
 
\text{for any}
 
@Vrouvrou but the code you posted is just a fragment so can't be run and seems unrelated to the image that you showed.
 
9:35 PM
Is not the same image it is an other part
 
@Vrouvrou Oh, I see. Well the code is quite unclear.
 
I can't sent the new image now I will do it tomorrow
 
@Vrouvrou it is far better if you use the question site where the code can be formatted so it is readable, and if you post complete test documents not fragments.
 
@Vrouvrou You want align, I guess
\begin{align*}
W^{m ,\Phi}(\Omega)=
\Bigl\{
& u\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega);
  \text{ there exists } \{g_{\alpha}\}\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega),
  \alpha=(\alpha_1,\dots,\alpha_N), \text{ such that}
\\
&\int_{\Omega}
  u\frac{\partial^{\alpha}\varphi}
        {\partial^{\alpha_1}x_1\dots\partial^{\alpha_N}x_N}\,dx
=(-1)^{\|\alpha\|_{S}}\int_{\Omega}g_{\alpha}\varphi \,dx,
\\
&\text{for any } \varphi\in C^{\infty}_0(\Omega)
\text{ and } \|\alpha\|_{S}\leq m \Bigr\}
\end{align*}
@Vrouvrou But I'd avoid such long set descriptions
We denote by $W^{m ,\Phi}(\Omega)$ the set consisting
of all $u\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega)$ for which there exists
$\{g_{\alpha}\}\in L^{\Phi}(\Omega)$, with
$\alpha=(\alpha_1,\dots,\alpha_N)$, such that
\[
\int_{\Omega}
  u\frac{\partial^{\alpha}\varphi}
        {\partial^{\alpha_1}x_1\dots\partial^{\alpha_N}x_N}\,dx
=(-1)^{\|\alpha\|_{S}}\int_{\Omega}g_{\alpha}\varphi \,dx,
\]
for any $\varphi\in C^{\infty}_0(\Omega)$ and $\|\alpha\|_{S}\leq m$.
@Vrouvrou ^^^^^
 
@samcarter ^^ :(
@DavidCarlisle if I type :help! in vim:
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: Frank is having "fun" with the issues. :)
 
 
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11:26 PM
Where would I find documentation for the command \@onefilewithoptions?
 
@Robbie source2e.pdf (but it is not intended as a user-callable command, it is just the internal code for \documentclass and \usepackage
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah thanks
I've seen it in a few complex packages, and I'm trying to figure out how they work
 
@Robbie wrong packages by the sound of it
 
@DavidCarlisle It features in xsim as part of its module-loading macros. The author appears to have written some kind of dependency-checking system.
 
@Robbie well people can do whatever they want, but I can speak with some authority on the intention of that command being for internal format use only (since I wrote a large chunk of it:-)
 
11:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's reasonable :)
 

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