TeX, LaTeX and Friends

7:40 AM

@DavidCarlisle @alfred to add new languages you must edit languages.ini. The original is in miktex\config. Open it in an editor to see the structure of entries. You get a local version with initexmf --edit-config-file languages.ini (user specific, use --admin for all users). There you can change or add entries (you can ignore the "don't edit this file"). In miktex settings you can then check if the language is there and rebuild the formats. This will also update language.dat.

@DavidCarlisle @alfred beside this: I don't want to spoil the fun to create all patterns manually, but wouldn't it be better to use some dictionary/word list and patgen to create a basis list of patterns? Someone on the mailing list could certainly describe the details tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-hyphen.

@egreg I just go an advertisment for wine from "di San Gregorio". Is it good?

@UlrikeFischer at the beginning I gave a choice, use a dictionary of hyphens and patgen, or construct a set of rules. For some languages with sensible spelling and syllable construction, a rule based set of manually written patterns is quite feasible. Of course I don't know the details of the language but @alfred says the rules are quite regular here.

8:11 AM

@samcarter ooh

@UlrikeFischer With that name, certainly. :-) Seriously, I've never heard about it.

CarLaTeX

@UlrikeFischer Neither I

@egreg ;-). The full name of the site is Feudi di San Gregorio from campania.

8:26 AM

@UlrikeFischer Judging from their web site they're somewhat ostentatious. Probably good, but quite expensive.

9:13 AM

I think my most traumatic pizza-related experience was in Pizza Hut.

@PauloCereda I didn't know they served duck pizza?

@PauloCereda Or that they serve pizza to ducks?

@HaraldHanche-Olsen this one. :)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I think I had duck only once in my life, in a Chinese restaurant. I instantly regretted it...

9:35 AM

@PauloCereda I just saw "Pizzafleischkäse" in the shop. I wonder about the effects on the german-italian relations (but imho no pineapples involved, so perhaps the diplomatic crisis will not to drastic).

@UlrikeFischer ooh :)

@UlrikeFischer It's been a while since my last visit to a German restaurant... hmmmm.

Today we are going to have pancakes!

10:11 AM

ooh I had biscuits

Hello one and all!! Has anyone ever cited a reference and the first part of the citation in the bibliography is just a line for e.g.

--, proceedings of the blah blah, year....

I am not getting the author or the title? Any ideas?/

@Rumplestillskin Which style are you using? :)

Oh and hi!

@PauloCereda I'm using

\bibliographystyle{yahapj}
\bibliography{references}

All of the other citations are displaying correctly!! It is quite strange

@Rumplestillskin With the very same type of entry (e.g @inproceedings)?

10:28 AM

@PauloCereda hmmmm

@PauloCereda I changed it to @inproceedings are now things are starting to shake :)

It was originally @article

@Rumplestillskin Ah if it's a conference paper, you are advised to use @inproceedings. If it's a paper published in a journal, go with @article. :)

@PauloCereda Many thanks :)

@Rumplestillskin My pleasure! Good luck with your writing!

11:46 AM

Too quiet today...

12:08 PM

I like the desert because it's clean.

@alfred on a macroscopic view, probably. :)

Peter O'Toole in Lawrence of Arabia

Claude Rains. :)

I read that Claude Rains once took his son to the cinema for them to watch The invisible man. During the movie, he briefly talked to his son, but it was more than enough for nearby people to being scared. Rains was the voice of the invisible man. :)

:) I remember this I think

me and my brother have identical voices, once at a counter the women thought I was ventriloquist

@alfred ooh :)

1:06 PM

@DavidCarlisle re @UlrikeFischer's answer on language.ini, it calls loadhyph-it.tex, hyph-it.pat.txt and hyph-it.hyp.txt, that call other files, 5+ in total..

not sure I understood this right, but if it's the case, it's doable I think

1:19 PM

yes although actually the package may change in the quite near future.... — David Carlisle 4 mins ago

@DavidCarlisle ↑↑ Might it be that the updated utf8 input encoding package might contain some sort of hook for dealing with undeclared characters?

@PauloCereda Chinese pancakes filled with crispy d... ?

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle safe pancakes :)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen possibly, but might have more radical changes to allow @UlrikeFischer to use \typeout{Greetings} in some language using dots and funny squashed B things

@DavidCarlisle Ah. I remember seeing the Grüße thing flashing past in chat a few days ago.

@PauloCereda I recommend blåbærsyltetøy.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen or bl\IeC {\r a}b\IeC {\ae }rsyltet\IeC {\o }y if you use \typeout :-)

1:28 PM

@DavidCarlisle See? I think @UlrikeFischer and I can come to an understanding on these issues.

1:39 PM

@DavidCarlisle I created a new entry with the italian files, rebuild the formats, and I dont get the no hyphenation message anymore

BAYMAX

2:03 PM

Hi chat!

I was creating a beamer presentation

in which i have 12 mathematical equations which i have to put in the same slide

but its not taking

is it possible to reduce the font and adjust so that it can be put in one slide

Engineering flow chart.

Tweeted by _youhadonejob1 on October 18, 2017 at 1:35 PM

yo'

2:38 PM

TB is here!

@yo' Yay!

TB is not here. /sobs

/quacks in despair

/eats a cookie, feels better

ooh a cookie

yo'

GET /sample_page.html HTTP/1.1
Host: www.example.org
Cookie: yummy_cookie=choco; tasty_cookie=strawberry

@PauloCereda ^^ this one?

@yo' ooh

When you fix your code but then there’s another bug and then you stay up for hours chasing it down and then it all works and oh god sleep

Tweeted by wspr on October 18, 2017 at 2:45 PM

@JosephWright: what have you done to Will? ^^ :D

rather When you fix your code but then there’s another bug and then you stay up for hours chasing it down and then it turns out it was the first fix that caused the second bug

@PauloCereda Just to find another bug when you wake up. ;-)

2:50 PM

I like the one when you find a solution on a forum and thank the OP but it turns out it is yourself.

@egreg what have xor ever done for us? :)

@DavidCarlisle I think now there are conflicts (repetitions) between loaded hyphen-al.tex and \patterns{..}, but i should be wrong. \patterns{..}should simply override the loaded ones

3:05 PM

ooh we have a star

Hi Mr. @pentavalentcarbon star!

@PauloCereda \o/

ooh

(")>/

are you trying to peck at me?

@pentavalentcarbon oh do not worry, we ducks don't peck (a lot). :)

3:44 PM

...is there no MathJax in questions?

Q: Why doesn't maths render as maths?

@alfred if you have pre-loaded hyphenation into the format you shouldn't be loading the same patterns again into the document otherwise you will naturally get conflicts (every pattern will be doubled)

@pentavalentcarbon no

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On some other SE sites, code in between dollar signs gets rendered as mathematics (using MathJaX, I believe). This doesn't seem to work here? Why not? And how do I get round it?

hm, that's irritating...thanks for the link.

@pentavalentcarbon not as irritating as it would be to have mathjax displaying while discussing the output from tex:-)

Oh, I can believe it.

@pentavalentcarbon besides, ducks are too naïve to comprehend maths. :)

@DavidCarlisle ^^ see, I told the star bloke a nice reason too

3:56 PM

All I wanted to do was $a$ and $b$.

@pentavalentcarbon OK, so either `$a$` (to show the input) or _a_ (to show an italic 'a'

@pentavalentcarbon use _a_ no one will know the difference :-)

_a_ looks terrible to me, I'll just leave it as `a`.

@pentavalentcarbon you don't like italic? (or at least slanted sans serif:-)

no

A Gold Man

4:01 PM

what happens when you do an \insert in the output routine?

@pentavalentcarbon ah well @CarLaTeX doesn't like pineapple pizza (which is is about Italian as italic sans serif) but we can't make everyone happy:-)

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To be fair, Hawaiian is a very polarizing topping.

@AGoldMan you lose some text most likely

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle Interesting comparison ;)

A Gold Man

@DavidCarlisle where does it go on the list of inserts

the end of it, beggining, or does it clobber the list

4:08 PM

@AGoldMan it drops down a crack in the floorboards: If you put something into an insert then you can not get access to it unless the insert migrates to the main vertical list and if you are in a box or the output routine you need some contortions to arrange that to be the case.

A Gold Man

@DavidCarlisle doesn't the output routine work on the main vertical list?

@AGoldMan so if you do an \insert in the output routine and that is in the list returned to the main vertical list and not shipped out then you will pick up the insert next time, if the \insert happens inside box255 then it will be silently dropped

4:25 PM

@pentavalentcarbon special formatting in my answer:-)

ohohohohoho

Ah, that looks great, thank you!

I have a few more complicated ones I'll try this on too.

@DavidCarlisle ^^ I hate somes sites

o_o

You're too greasy to eat most of the time anyway.

@PauloCereda I told you they go well with the pancakes that you said you were having,

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@pentavalentcarbon I am a naïve duck

4:41 PM

It tends to be very greasy, at least at the Chinese places I've seen it, so I always avoided it until I ordered it at my favorite Belgian restaurant. There it was much closer to looking like pork (and was very good).

4:54 PM

@DavidCarlisle I think I will change back language.ini for the moment

7:03 PM

If everyone wrote in English we wouldn't need Unicode combining accents and the world would be simpler:(

@DavidCarlisle If everyone wrote in that boring English language, we could not have nice long German words which seem ridiculously challenging to every hyphenation engine ;)

@DavidCarlisle If everyone would wrote in english there wouldn't be google translate and were would then be the fun?

@DavidCarlisle if everyone speaks English, we should use a easier version like quacking. :)

@UlrikeFischer Ich brauche solche Werkzeuge nicht

@DavidCarlisle Hallo, ich bin ein Ente!

7:08 PM

@PauloCereda Jantar!

@DavidCarlisle OH NO

@PauloCereda você terminou sua tese?

@DavidCarlisle OH NO

@PauloCereda Não sou malvado

@DavidCarlisle ooh you are quick :)

7:13 PM

@PauloCereda You still miss the e after ein.

@TeXnician oh sorry, I thought it was ein

@PauloCereda Well, duck is female in German (die Ente), hence you'd need the e after "ein". If you would want to be a male duck you would say "ein Erpel".

@TeXnician ooh new words

@PauloCereda Germans are very flexible. You could also use "Enterich" to mean the male duck (it's a synonym for "Erpel").

@TeXnician ooh

7:19 PM

@PauloCereda basically use a long enough sequence of characters and everyone will assume it's correct German.

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda With english it is the other way round: simply never use words with more than six letters (some more s at the end are ok).

@UlrikeFischer ah :)

@UlrikeFischer It's Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Even though the sound of it Is something quite atrocious If you say it loud enough You'll always sound precocious

@DavidCarlisle one of my favourite songs. :)

7:32 PM

É Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
Mesmo que o som dele
É algo bastante atroz
Se você diz alto o suficiente
Você sempre soará precoce
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Um-dittle-ittl-um-dittle-I
Porque eu tinha medo de falar
Quando eu era apenas um rapaz
O meu pai me deu um toque um pouco
E me disse que eu era ruim
Mas um dia eu aprendi uma palavra
Isso me salvou nariz dolorida
A maior palavra que você já ouviu

@PauloCereda You can make it longer, if you use German: superkalifragilistisch expiallegorisch.

@PauloCereda it's even better in the original Portuguese

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda it doesn't read as a work of literary genius?

@DavidCarlisle spooky. :)

7:42 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- oh, dear! that will reduce my vocabulary considerably! whatever shall i do!

@barbarabeeton YOU COULD START USING CAPITAL LETTERS

@DavidCarlisle -- please! ladies don't shout, or even raise their voices.

@DavidCarlisle ˙˙˙uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ƃuᴉdʎʇ ʇɹɐʇs plnoɔ ɐɹɐqɹɐq

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@PauloCereda ‮yllis eb dluow taht

Try translating that with google translate:-)

@DavidCarlisle, @egreg Input on the latest Github issue welcome

7:57 PM

@JosephWright should be comparing with \newcount not with C#

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright not all variables are registers and there may be more than 256 registers these days but tex is still tex

@DavidCarlisle Sure: I'm trying to say that it's not like we haven't thought about it

@barbarabeeton put some spaces in random spaces: voca bulary consid erably what ever.

@UlrikeFischer -- actually, my typing is becoming dyslexic, so i now have to read what i've written to make sure it is only tolerable nonsense. (if i leave random spaces, i'm sure @egreg will come after me, shaking a %.)

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8:10 PM

@barbarabeeton my system is just send it anyway and let the receiver fix. I'm sure you've never noticed.

@DavidCarlisle -- oh, never! ... well, hardly ever.

@JosephWright it's not even true that tex is unique here, fortran only allows variables to be declared at the start of a function, not just anywhere in a local scope for example

@DavidCarlisle Sounds sensible ;)

8:44 PM

@JosephWright That's too much about programming languages for me

@egreg stick to squashing spaces

@egreg :)

@DavidCarlisle, @egreg (@UlrikeFischer) I'm not really seeing what the advantage is given the way TeX grouping works: it's not like a procedural case where we'd be local just to a function

8:56 PM

@JosephWright Added an example; I believe EA doesn't really know how TeX registers work.

@DavidCarlisle I see you're saying pretty much the same

@egreg yes most upsetting to be agreeing with you

9:25 PM

@JosephWright I pass. :-( Can a thread be closed for silliness?

@egreg We can ultimately close as WONTFIX or whatever

@egreg good thing there is no such mechanism here

@JosephWright There is a policy for programmers: declaring all variables globally. My answer is along the lines of a song by F. Guccini: “ma fattelo te l'universo, se sei capace”. It's God talking to Lucifer who's always criticizing him: “Make the universe yourself, if you're able to”.

@egreg I have mentioned that to Evan before in some context: there are alternative approaches, the team have chosen one set, etc.

@DavidCarlisle does british english hyphenate im-mig-rant?

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[USenglish,british]{babel}
\begin{document}

\showhyphens{immigrant}
%im-mig-rant
\selectlanguage{USenglish}

\showhyphens{immigrant}
%im-mi-grant

\end{document}

9:38 PM

@UlrikeFischer if you asked me, I'd ask tex (I don't have easy access to a publishers hyphenation dictionary) im-mi-grant looks better to me partly to avoid the slightly unfortunate -rant split

@DavidCarlisle well tex says im-mig-rant but it looks curious, but I can't find any sensible online resource ;-(.

yo'

@UlrikeFischer yeah, there seem to be no free dictionaries with British hyphenation