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6:42 AM
@cfr No, I meant that the edits made by the OP had increased the width of the chart so that it became much wider than the text block. On rereading I became less certain of that though, so it could be something else.
 
 
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8:10 AM
Good Morning.
So, I have been looking for a way to deal with footnotes in tables.
I have found the footnote package. However, I have noticed from its documentation PDF that it was last updated in 1997.
Is it still usable after not being changed for so long while the rest of the LaTeX has been moving?
Or is LaTeX so stable that it does not matter that the last version of the package is 19 years old?
 
@wilx Never change a running system. ;-) If it works, it works.
@wilx Have a look at threeparttable for proper support.
 
@Johannes_B Well, IME, systems needs maintenance to adjust for compatibility with other evolving parts.
I am not saying I have found anything wrong now but it does not inspire confidence in the package. :)
 
@wilx TeX hasn't really changed for 20 years. A few bug-fixes, nothing more.
@wilx Important part is to know that footnotes of tables belong to the table, not the bottom of the page.
 
8:26 AM
@Johannes_B Well, this is for Pandoc generated LaTeX which uses longtable and booktabs packages. Currently, footnotes in tables are completely broken because plain \footnote{text} inside longtable does not work. With footnote package and \makesavenoteenv{longtable} I get at least something.
 
@wilx minipages work as well.
 
@Johannes_B But minipages do not break pages, do they? Pandoc's solution has to work for most/all possible text, long or short. :)
 
@wilx Right, minipages are unsuitable for longtables.
 
9:29 AM
@wilx footnotes work (most of the time) in longtable.
@wilx lots of parts of latex are older than 19, why do you find that surprising? (even things that claim to be newer like the standard article/report/book classes are just because Karl did a pass over the doc fixing some spelling errors)
 
@DavidCarlisle Any other: Does that fit your screen? latex-community.org/forum/…
 
@Johannes_B A Brazilian...
 
9:45 AM
@PauloCereda Yes :-)
 
@Johannes_B Actually, I read Porto, so he might be Portuguese. :)
 
@PauloCereda I think he is brazilian
 
@DavidCarlisle As I have said, things usually require maintenance, tweaks for compatibility and such. :)
 
@Johannes_B Almost sure he's Portuguese. His PDF viewer menu says Ficheiro instead of Arquivo. It's definitely one of the clues. :)
 
@egreg Thanks for improving my answer!
@egreg Is there already an extrapolated time when you will hit 500k?
 
9:51 AM
@HenriMenke Some time between August 20 and the beginning of September.
 
@egreg: will there be cake tomorrow? :)
 
@PauloCereda Possibly. ;-)
 
@egreg ooh :)
 
@wilx not so much in a macro language, as any change to implementation is visible at the top level and will break someone's document somewhere. It's easier to change implementations in a compiled language where the implementation is hidden from the use.
 
@HenriMenke Extrapolation based on the current rep per day average points to August 21
 
10:03 AM
@PauloCereda I just checked the posts by Diogo and i have to say: He almost never replied to anything a helper provided or asked. :-(
 
@Johannes_B Oh no...
 
@StefanKottwitz Already deleted 17 spam posts today.
 
10:24 AM
@Johannes_B I changed the anti spam question again. Let's see if the spambot logic understands and solves it.
 
@StefanKottwitz Thanks :-)
 
10:56 AM
@egreg I'll mark this in my calendar ;-)
 
@HenriMenke :)
 
11:34 AM
Hey guys
Could you help me out a bit?
 
@Adeetya Depends on the questioni :-)
 
I'm preparing a report on game Theory and have run into a bit of a problem. It's my 2nd time using LaTeX
Could you guys answer this question? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/321876/…
 
@Adeetya \multicolumn{3}{c|}{Player 1}
 
That gets the line right next to 1.
I need it in the extreme right
in line with the column line
 
@Adeetya How many columns does your tabular have?
 
11:40 AM
@Johannes_B 5
 
@Adeetya Why? I can only identify 4 in the output.
 
@Johannes_B Oh yes
@Johannes_B
\begin{center}
\begin{tabular} {|c|c|c|c|}
\cline{1-4}
& & \multicolumn{2}{c}{Player 1} \\ \cline{3-4}
& & $\alpha$ & $\beta$ \\
\cline{1-4}
\multirow{2}{*}{Player 2} & $\alpha$ & $-1,-1$ & $0,-25$\\
\cline{2-4}
& $\beta$ & $-25,0$ & $-10,-10$ \\
\cline{1-4}
\end{tabular}
\end{center}
I changed the code to this
namely in line begin{tabular}
But it still doesn't solve the problem
 
@Adeetya vvvvv
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{multirow}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
	\hline
	\multicolumn{2}{|c|}{}    & \multicolumn{2}{c|}{Player 1} \\ \cline{3-4}
	\multicolumn{2}{|c|}{}    & $\alpha$                                     & $\beta$ \\
	\hline
	\multirow{2}{*}{Player 2} & $\alpha$                                     & $0,0$      & $3,-1$\\
	                          & $\beta$                                      & $-1,3$     & $0,0$ \\
	\hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
 
@Johannes_B
Thank you so much
:)
 
11:58 AM
Thank you for your answer. I get ! Bad character code (2097151)., a minimal example being the code of your answer together with \usepackage{amsmath}. — Earthliŋ 1 hour ago
@egreg ^^^ What's happening here?
@egreg I tried \edef\lparen{\delimiter\the\delcode`(} instead of \mathchardef\lparen=\mathcode`\( but same error.
 
12:14 PM
@nima Though I enjoyed reading your explanatory comment, it does not really add to the discussion at hand. If you feel like talking things through, it is preferred to move the discussion to the chat. You can ping users with the same @ syntax here and the conversation will pop up in their notification area.
 
@HenriMenke amsmath uses \Umathcodenum(` in \resetMathstrut@ and this breaks if you set the mathcode to "8000.
 
@HenriMenke Users have to have visited chat recently for pings to work, not sure nima will have seen that message.
 
@TorbjørnT. Oh, I didn't know that. I'll leave an additional comment then. Thank you!
@UlrikeFischer \Umathcodenum sound very unicody. Does this even work with pdfTeX?
 
@HenriMenke I may be wrong, but I think that is the case at least. Note also that when you start typing @nima that username does not pop up for auto-completion.
 
@HenriMenke as @UlrikeFischer says (it also fails in pdftex) (just with a different number)
 
12:28 PM
@HenriMenke No, it fails too with pdflatex but with a different value.
 
@HenriMenke no it uses mathchardef in pdftex.. ah as Ulrike was saying...
@HenriMenke the "math active code" can only be used for characters not csnames defined with mathchardef or \Umathchardef so either branch of this code fails if ( is math active
\ifx\Umathcharnumdef\@undefined
\def\resetMathstrut@{%
  \begingroup
  \setbox\z@\hbox{%
    \mathchardef\@tempa\mathcode`\(\relax
    \def\@tempb##1"##2##3{\the\textfont"##3\char"}%
    \expandafter\@tempb\meaning\@tempa \relax
  }%
 \edef\@tempa{%
     \ht\Mathstrutbox@\the\ht\z@\relax
     \dp\Mathstrutbox@\the\dp\z@\relax}%
  \expandafter\endgroup\@tempa
}
\else
\def\resetMathstrut@{%
    \begingroup
    \Umathcharnumdef\@tempa\Umathcodenum`\(\relax
    \def\@tempb##1"##2"##3"##4\relax{%
      \endgroup
 
@HenriMenke I saw your comment.
 
@DavidCarlisle That basically means that when using amsmath you cannot make ( active?
@nima My reply is further up. Here is a direct link: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31408310#31408310
 
@HenriMenke or need to redefine \resetMathstrut@ to make it safe (it just wants to find the size of a ( to set a strut for the current font/size combination
 
@nima Hi! I could provide some background on the placeholder thingy, if you are interested. :)
 
12:34 PM
@HenriMenke I see
 
Not spam, but not an answer either:
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A: How can I draw a transparent cube in 3D perspective?

NickI'm looking for a coder to render a crime scene. 4 bullets, toilet door, person inside, toilet structure. Animated. Contact me @HiRezLife

 
@Johannes_B Wierd
 
@JosephWright Already deleted, thanks :-)
 
@PauloCereda please, I'll be grateful
 
@JosephWright Happy belated birthday!
Oh wait, it was June, not July. Sorry!
:(
 
12:39 PM
@PauloCereda still applies, just more belated
 
@nima It is common to apply a "visual" preprocessing phase when analysing code. I like to think it as a metaexpansion, in which you are the expander. :) The meaning of <> could be understood as the usage of two characters to act as delimiters for the metalanguage, as they don't have a major role (by that I mean, control characters) in the underlying language (in our case, TeX). >>>
 
@Johannes_B You could have pointed the user to blender.stackexchange.com
 
>>> Historically, this is known as warning mode, in which you find a character that indicates the beginning of something. So, people usually use something that might give visual indications of things to replace. Hence <>. :)
 
@HenriMenke I bet those guys would be very very happy about a question like that.
 
@Johannes_B :-) I think he could have found someone in their chatroom who does rendering work for money.
 
12:44 PM
I don't know why <> is used, but they seem to be widely used, maybe because they convey the sense of enclosing things, so the scope is quite clear.
@DavidCarlisle Happy belated birthday! At least it was July. :)
@David: speaking of presents, will you give one to @egreg tomorrow? :)
 
@PauloCereda It originates from the TeXbook, though Knuth uses actual angle brackets ⟨⟩ for placeholder text. Because these are hard to reach (or not available at all) on a keyboard, one uses <>.
 
@HenriMenke ooh thanks for the info! I know I am stuck somewhere inside the TeXbook. :)
 
Off for a while, let's see if the machine starts up again.
 
@PauloCereda Here is an example from the TeXbook.
 
@PauloCereda I fully understood the first comment containing the meta explanation. but the second one containing warning mode is obscure to me.
 
12:59 PM
@nima Oh sorry, it was just a wacky programmer talk. You can safely ignore it. :)
 
@PauloCereda specially prepared downvote?
 
@DavidCarlisle You can downvote all of his questions.
 
@TorbjørnT. done that already!
 
@PauloCereda by the way the pre-Saussurean linguistics searched for the meaning of a word in the combination of the sounds and attributed the meaning to single sounds, I mean they thought each single sound should have a meaning, then with saussure it turned out that the word tree has a meaning because it is opposed to all other words(all other combinations of sounds). It might be an explanation of why <> because () {} [] delimiters had already acquired meaning.
 
@nima ooh that sounds too complicated for me. :)
Ducks are very naïve. :)
 
1:10 PM
@PauloCereda would you please tell that warning mode?
 
@nima Warning mode is an old definition of macro languages that use a symbol to express the beginning of a macro. For instance, TeX operates in warning mode, as every macro (in general) starts with a special symbol, \.
 
@PauloCereda aha, very well, thank you.
 
@nima My pleasure, deeply sorry for the confusion. :)
 
1:26 PM
@PauloCereda or j ctan.org/pkg/xii
 
@PauloCereda not at all
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
1:52 PM
Installation of Debian failed, no WLAN driver available.
 
@Johannes_B It shouldn't fail due to the lack of WiFi drivers. You will end up with a very minimalistic system, though.
 
@HenriMenke Failed is the wrong term, i aborted, since ... what is a system without wlan? Right now, i don't have a cable to connect.
 
@Johannes_B Just download the packages, put them on USB and install them using dpkg.
 
@HenriMenke No, i won't. :-) I hat to have two USB drives in use at once.
 
@Johannes_B You could also install from the DVD image, which ships with »batteries included«.
 
2:03 PM
@HenriMenke I'll just install something else. Maybe Fedora <- @paulo
 
@Johannes_B ooh :)
 
@Johannes_B or windows
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd rather move to Poland.
 
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A: Kerning a particular pair like "(j"

Henri MenkeBecause XeTeX character classes do not work in math mode (?) the only way to tackle this is by defining the opening parenthesis math active and check whether the next token is j before inserting the kern. The advantage is that the following solution is engine agnostic. \documentclass{article} \...

I just received the »Nice answer« badge for an answer that doesn't work.
 
10 upvotes is 10 upvotes. :)
 
2:20 PM
@HenriMenke I got two gold badges for a question about donkeys -- such things happens and they help to take the system not to seriously.
2
 
@HenriMenke I got two gold badges for copying an image from wikipedia
2
 
@DavidCarlisle But you got no cookies. :)
 
2:52 PM
@JosephWright PL3 just arrived via tlmgr...
 
3:08 PM
@HenriMenke Load also etoolbox and do \patchcmd\resetMathstrut@{\mathcode(}{\lparen}{}{}`
@HenriMenke It doesn't work with unicode-math, though.
 
@ChristianHupfer Sometimes i don't know what to say. golatex.de/viewtopic,p,85755.html#85755
 
3:49 PM
@egreg Thank you very much for improving my answer again! I should share the rep by putting a bounty for one of your answers.
 
4:03 PM
@HenriMenke Yes, @egreg certainly could use some more rep, that's for sure. :)
 
@AlanMunn: ^^ :)
 
@UlrikeFischer In linguistics (and philosophy) there is a whole class of sentences called 'donkey sentences'. We take them very seriously. :) The sentence (originally due to the philosopher Peter Geach) is If a man owns a donkey, he probably beats it (along with a similar Every man who owns a donkey beats it) and was used to argue against Richard Montague's analysis of quantification. Your linguistic trivia for the day. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ungrammatical. :)
 
@AlanMunn You must be very popular on WhatsApp. :)
 
4:12 PM
@PauloCereda Ah, but that's the point. It's not just one donkey... :)
 
@AlanMunn ooh
 
@PauloCereda Do you know why it's ungrammatical?
 
@AlanMunn Because it's a noun instead of a verb? :)
 
@PauloCereda Bingo!
 
@AlanMunn oooh
I am getting gooder at grammar. :)
@DavidCarlisle: I have a code running since early this morning, as it has to build an automaton with 15 million, 996 thousand and one states, should I be worried? :)
 
4:24 PM
@egreg You should know best: Can pasta bolognese be vegan?
 
@Johannes_B No. The “bolognese” sauce has meat
 
@egreg Oh thank you. I was worried.
For me, thiswas like a vegetarian Chili con carne. Doesn't make any sense.
 
@HenriMenke So long as you don't offer bounties to @DavidCarlisle I'm fine.
 
@egreg I should visit Italy and taste the real deal. German Cuisine has a very different idea of how international dishes should taste. :-(
 
@Johannes_B The Wikipedia page is quite accurate; however, we do use ragù also with spaghetti. There are several types of ragù, though. My mother's ragù uses no “soffritto”, no pork and no wine, but some drops of milk and, most important, cloves.
 
4:35 PM
@egreg cloves? Interesting.
 
@Johannes_B This is the best kept secret of (some parts of) Mediterranean cuisine: spices that in N. Europe are only used in sweets (like cloves, cinnamon, allspice) used with meat. Even more common in the Middle East than in Italy I think.
 
@AlanMunn I want to have some Tabouleh right now.
@UlrikeFischer @HenriMenke @ChristianHupfer @kurt @StefanKottwitz Have you ever heard the term Hackmedaillon?
 
5:02 PM
I've really found myself in a pickle now
There is this commutative diagram that I need to typeset, but it has 5(!) columns, with each entry a pretty big expression (something like $H_m(D\setminus E,A\setminus E)$
Even using column sep=tiny in tikz-cd doesn't help me fitting it inside the margins.
Is there anything I can try to do?
It currently sticks out about 35pt
 
@Danu Reduce font size?
 
@TorbjørnT. Hmm... Good idea.
So how can I adjust the font size inside my picture (tikz-cd diagram)?
 
@Johannes_B Yes, it is something to eat. The better known german word for it is perhaps "Fleischpflanzerl" or "Frikadellen". In German: Es ist der elitäre Begriff, Hackmedalion klingt nicht so rustikal wie Frikadelle.
 
@Kurt Für mich ist das noch immer ein Bratklops. Aber Hackmedaillon klingt so schön. :-)
 
@Johannes_B I read it like hacking ... :-o
 
5:11 PM
@Johannes_B Bratklops ist aber auch nett :-) Der war mir neu!
 
@Johannes_B "Gehacktes Klößchen" ist oder war auch verbreitet. (may be googled)
 
@Kurt I bet you don't know the following: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak :-)
@StefanKottwitz Never heard of that.
 
@Johannes_B Yes, I didn't use this english name.
 
5:34 PM
@Kurt You don't pronounce it english, rather as Beffschdegg.
 
5:47 PM
@Danu If you haven't figured it out, try \begin{tikzcd}[cells={font=\scriptsize}]
 
6:05 PM
@TorbjørnT. Thanks for the reply---I did manage to figure it out :) Sorry for not letting you know ;)
 
@Danu No worries.
 
 
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9:15 PM
@Johannes_B In English this would translate into nycitycab.com/business/taximedallionlist.aspx :)
 
9:34 PM
@AlanMunn What is that?
 
9:54 PM
@Johannes_B A 'hack' is an old slang term for a taxi (it's a shortening of Hackney carriage), which was a type of horse drawn carriage used in London. And the licences of NYC taxis are called "medallions" because each cab has a physical badge that shows that it is licensed. So hackmedallion :) And they're very expensive... jeffjacoby.com/10649/medallion-madness
 
@AlanMunn Ah, well i wa talking about a burger patty, or something similar.
 
@Johannes_B I know. I was just having some fun.
 
@AlanMunn On tomorrows menu: beef liver with champignons :-)
 
@Johannes_B Sounds delicious. Many people don't like liver it seems. I would only buy it from a butcher I trust.
 
10:07 PM
@egreg Yum.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:53 PM
@PauloCereda Eeeek! Someone just edited the natbib-biblatex-bibtex-biber question to add biblatex-abnt :)
 

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