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1:20 AM
Thank you everybody for the kind words, I wub you all! <3
 
 
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2:48 AM
@HenriMenke If you want to \mfunctionlabeltext, then you also need to define \setupmathlabeltext[argmax=argmax]. \mfunctionlabeltext is a generalization of \labeltext: the context mechanism for multi-lingual output. For example, if you want argmax to appear as blabla in french (you can see, I am just making this up), you can add \setupmathlabeltext[fr][argmax=blabla]. Then if you use \mainlanguage[fr] $\argmax$ the output will be blabla.
 
 
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6:45 AM
@PauloCereda just think one day you'll be as old as @egreg
 
7:19 AM
@Aditya Thanks a lot!
 
7:42 AM
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Q: What is the meaning of $$$ in LaTex?

PlusCode XI want to know the meaning of the triple $ in my document. \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage[letterpaper]{geometry} \geometry{top=1.5cm, bottom=2.5cm, left=3cm, right=3cm} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{multicol} \usepackage[usenames]{color} \begin{document} \section*{Solucionario}...

^^^ This question reminds me a lot of vvv this question on SO
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Q: What is the name of the "-->" operator?

GManNickGAfter reading Hidden Features and Dark Corners of C++/STL on comp.lang.c++.moderated, I was completely surprised that the following snippet compiled and worked in both Visual Studio 2008 and G++ 4.4. Here's the code: #include <stdio.h> int main() { int x = 10; while (x --> 0) // x goes ...

 
I blame you for this feature in mtpro2:
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Q: Unbalanced spacing with braces in mtpro2

Lei ZhaoThe code $\LEFTRIGHT\{\}{S_n}$ produces whereras the code $\left\{ S_n \right\}$ produces . Is this a bug or feature? As the content in the braces grow larger, the visual effect of the unbalance is reduced. The above output of \LEFTRIGHT really looks ugly to my eyes. Note: my preamble has ...

 
7:57 AM
@HenriMenke quite so, I expect to get 5000 upvotes
@egreg blame who?
 
@DavidCarlisle It's obviously your fault. :P
%% Copyright 1996 1997 Frank Mittelbach and David Carlisle.
%% Copyright 2001--2009 Frank Mittelbach, David Carlisle, Walter Schmidt, Mike Spivak
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}[1997/06/01]
\ProvidesPackage{mtpro2}
 
@egreg what the? I didn't know my name was on there:-)
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8:20 AM
@egreg I don't know why, but I defended your honour:
No. @egreg does not mention the etex package there. — David Carlisle 1 min ago
 
 
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9:24 AM
@DavidCarlisle You're getting older and grumpier. :)
 
9:36 AM
@Twonky An esteemed member of the community maintains that my only ability with TeX is spotting missing %'s. Maybe he's right. ;-)egreg 11 secs ago
 
@egreg I recall your talk at TUG2015, where you showed how you traced a missing % deep down through various packages.
 
yo'
@egreg graded 6 test exams. Success rate 33%.
 
10:01 AM
@yo' you even have a % at the end of the line, @egreg will be pleased
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle lol
now I gotta go, bye!
 
@HenriMenke for some reason I found that talk completely forgettable.
 
10:31 AM
@DavidCarlisle I was mentioned in that talk too! Not in a good way, though. :)
 
hello!
I was wondering if somebody could give me some tips about installing texlive if the installation aborted, to shorten the process.
 
@Martin-マーチン Are you doing the net install of the vanilla TeX Live?
 
yes
it broke like two hours in and i needed to restart it
now it's basically from the start again
and i am afraid it will break again
I also don't really know why it is that slow
 
11:25 AM
@DavidCarlisle Weird things happening with CI testing!
 
@JosephWright ooh
 
@PauloCereda I removed one line from a script which only means one test is skipped, and we get a hang on the CI server later in the test run. I'm not sure why, nor do I see it on my machine here: will need to work on it later on my VM.
 
@JosephWright: 9 days for cake!
@JosephWright uh-oh
 
@PauloCereda All very odd
 
@JosephWright As everything in computing. :)
@Joseph: question: there was a talk in one of the UK-TUG meetings about TL and Raspberry Pi or other thingy?
 
11:27 AM
@PauloCereda Yes
@PauloCereda Jonathan Fine talked about that
 
@JosephWright Raspberry?
 
@PauloCereda Yes, I think so
 
@JosephWright Thanks.
 
@JosephWright saw some messages go past but didn't follow the details
 
 
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1:14 PM
well... nevermind, second try did it.
 
 
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3:12 PM
I finally got my copy of TUGboat!
 
@egreg Yay!
Mine hasn't arrived yet. :(
 
3:30 PM
@PauloCereda you shouldn't live in towns with funny foreign letters with squiggles, too complicated for the TUG postal service to cope with.
 
3:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
4:00 PM
Oh I hate Word
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@JosephWright oh no
 
@PauloCereda Grant proposal
 
@JosephWright ouch
 
> Please ensure that your documents have been saved in Word format [word format image]
 
Template too? :)
 
4:03 PM
I think this can be deleted: tex.stackexchange.com/a/315106/586
 
@JosephWright Got something far worse from Elsevier. Hold the phone.
 
@PauloCereda No, but has to be a particular length. Trouble is there system moves any wrapped figures around. I had this before on a full proposal but for the outline stage thought I was OK: nope
@PauloCereda I'm asking these people for serious cash
 
 
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6:24 PM
anyone got TL216 on windows? can you try Javier's test file
\documentclass{article}

\directlua{
luatexbase.add_to_callback("hpack_filter", function() end, 'desc')
}

\stop
 
6:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'll start downloading it now
Is there a reason you have to download the whole thing every year?
 
@Canageek there are some answers on site about that but basically yes, macros can be more or less safely rolled out as and when people upload a package to ctan, but compiling and testing all the binaries on all the platforms really has to be done off line then upload a fixed stable release and binaries typically don't change until the next year
 
@DavidCarlisle Couldn't they make an upgrade packages that copies the ones that don't change from my TeX2015 directory to the TeX2016 directory to save download time?
 
@Canageek they could but it would make tlmgr more complicated and its just Norbert in his spare time... for example this year they have added gpg hash checking of the downloads so an existing tl2015 installation can't just be copied over as the metadata for the downloaded packages is in the wrong format
 
@DavidCarlisle Ahhh
@DavidCarlisle Is there a way to tell it to stop downloading from Dalhousie? That is 4000 km away from me, and a very slow server despite being in the same country
 
@Canageek there is a -repository argument you can specify one rather than specifying the mirror hub and letting it choose
 
6:55 PM
@Canageek You can normally do this (upgrade 'in place') but it's not encouraged
 
@JosephWright yes had a feeling there was a way:-)
@JosephWright have you tried javier's example in windows, it works OK for me in cygwin
 
@DavidCarlisle No
 
@DavidCarlisle What if everybody drops Windows? :)
 
@PauloCereda the world will come to an end?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ask LinkedIn, they might have a better opinion. :)
 
7:00 PM
Can't get that command to work with the advanced installer
 
@PauloCereda i'll skype their ceo and ask
 
@DavidCarlisle oooh :)
You never Skyped me. :(
 
Hit Dal again
No idea why
 
@PauloCereda you've skyped me though (via uktug:-)
 
Even Rafal is closer and faster, and Washinton is right south of me and faster
 
7:05 PM
@Canageek shouldn't if you specify the full URL to a specific mirror.
 
@DavidCarlisle Kept giving errors. Gave up. Seems Dal is super fast right now anyway; 21 minutes o.0
@DavidCarlisle So possibly CTAN was right this time? Wonder how fast it would be if I'd hit washington as planned.
If I were doing it, I'd download a few packages from each mirror on the same continent, then use that to judge the fastest one.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
@David: the most epic bit of the entire meeting has no recorded proof. :)
Paulo: do you have your talk ready?
David: I have the L2 kernel file opened inside an emacs buffer, should be enough.
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@PauloCereda @JosephWright would probably prefer to be given a copy of latex.ltx to make up slides for a talk video than the html/javascript concoctions I've used on other occasions.
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
7:20 PM
@PauloCereda Did you find some cake left?
 
@egreg I did, it was delicious! Also I was hungry. :)
 
Do you still need that test case on Win10?
 
@Canageek wouldn't hurt to try, thanks. javier posted to luatex list saying he had an assertion failure from the luatex binary
 
7:35 PM
This I'm surprised at: No torrent for TeXLive to reduce the load on CTAN and provided built in verification of download 2) That it isn't compressed for distribution. TeX should compress SUPER well.
Download done, now generating all format files
oH wait
Dammit
I selected not Lualatex
 
yo'
@Canageek it's not that easy. There's many versions of the install files, and you don't need them once installed. This both means not many people would have the correct torrent.
 
@yo' I meant for the initial package set. That is what takes all the download time.
 
yo'
@Canageek yes, that's what I mean.
 
@yo' Have the torrent of each collection, frozen at the start of the year. Then just run TeX Live Manager to update from that.
@yo' So a lot of people would have collection-pstricks
 
yo'
@Canageek but I don't want useless 5G of data on my PC. Also, torrents are impossible to maintain; once that they're out, they're out.
@Canageek You mean torrent for each package? No, never.
 
7:44 PM
@yo' Each collection. "LaTeX fundamental" "LaTeX additional packages" etc
 
yo'
@Canageek I don't know what these are, I install everything. And again, the files differ for different systems
 
@yo' Themed collections of packages for those of us that want science based ones, but don't care about writing in German or such.
@yo' And the packages don't, only the binaries. I watch the download. Almost all of it is the packages, not the system specific stuff. Siunitx is just a collection of .tex and .sty files right? Those aren't system specific.
@DavidCarlisle How do I run this again?
@DavidCarlisle Lualatex .\David.tex got me an error
 
Assertion failed!

Program: C:\...\lualatex.exe
File: ./tex/align.w
Line: 966

Expression: type(r) == unset_node
@Canageek that^^ ?
 
@DavidCarlisle No, it ran fine when I did lualatex David.tex instead of `lualatex .\David.tex'
@DavidCarlisle Do you want the log file?
@DavidCarlisle paste.ee/p/4CMEq
Running Windows 10, fresh install, running from Powershell
@DavidCarlisle Also works fine in cmd.exe
 
@Canageek thanks, just a bit odd that Javier should get an assertion failure as it's hard to get that by user-error. No doubt Akira will pick it up
 
7:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle Anything else you want me to try?
 
@Canageek no thanks, you can now try the new luatex on any of your documents and see how much breaks;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle All mine are pdflatex, so everything?
Are PFB TFM or AFM files system specific?
 
@Canageek no well afm are text so can have system line endings
 
Look at it, it seems that about 10% of all the space taken up by TeXLive (windows) is windows specific
@DavidCarlisle Are there seperate windows and linux versions?
 
@Canageek no but like any text if you copy from one to another they may change
 
8:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle CTAN normalise to Unix-style
 
@JosephWright yes I meant in general
 
@yo' PFB, TFM, AFM, OTF and TTF are 59% of my TeXLive install, a fairly minimal setup. If you installed everything that would grow a LOT, since you'd add all the language files and such.
 
@Canageek sounds quite high? apart from the bin directory what else?
 
@DavidCarlisle I turn off a lot of packages. Lets see, asy.exe, bin, tlgs has dlls...
@DavidCarlisle Works out to 66.9 MB of Applications, and 51.8 MB of dlls
 
@Canageek du -sh says /usr/local/texlive/2016 has 4.9G on my system so if you have ~0.1G of windows binaries probably about right
 
8:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Run KDirStat on your install, what does it show?
@DavidCarlisle My install is 1.3 GB
@DavidCarlisle Hah, almost my entire install is the fonts directory at 848 MB. Might want to consider paring that down, I could get my install even smaller. >.>
 
yo'
@Canageek are you running your system from a floppy drive or what?!
 
@yo' Old laptop
 
yo'
@Canageek ah ok
 
@yo' 286 GB hard drive, only have 71 GB left
 
@Canageek Loads of space
 
yo'
8:12 PM
@Canageek I've got 700 GB HDD for two OS
 
@yo' Loads
 
yo'
@Canageek not that more than me
 
@yo' 100 GB for each OS, then 500 GB of storage. Loads :D
 
yo'
@Canageek no, you have to divide all the space
 
@DavidCarlisle The Travis-CI situation is weird: my VM has an issue with load order so I'm struggling to pin it down (on the VM the order of file listings is random, so it's not identical to the CI)
palladium:texlive joseph$ du -sh
 31G	.
@Canageek ^^^
@Canageek I have a 256 Gb SSD ;-)
 
yo'
8:15 PM
@JosephWright "GB" I think no?
 
@yo' Probably :-)
@Canageek On the other hand, what I'm actually up to at the moment is really minimising a TeX system
 
@Canageek this is windows i have no such command I think
 
@yo' Why? A Ext4 for linux, an NTFS for windows, then an NTFS for files
@DavidCarlisle Ah, then WinDirStat will work
 
@Canageek but if you trim the fonts directory how do you answer xetex questions using some east asian font?
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't have XeTeX installed
@DavidCarlisle windirstat.info
Very useful
 
8:28 PM
@Canageek i don't usually worry about disk space, i have tl2014.15,16 if disk gets too full I'd just delete tl2014
 
@Canageek You might be interested in what I'm up to: I've got Karl to set up a truly minimal installer for TL, which doesn't install anything except tlmgr: you can then pick exactly what you want
 
@JosephWright Don't need it THAT minimal. 1.3 GB isn't that bad.
@JosephWright Really, if I went with a minimal install + publisher style files now it would be pretty tiny. Next time I'll not install the full fonts tree, just the basic one.
looks That said, once I delete windows.old I'll have another 100 GB
 
@Canageek If I remove windows, I gain no space. Why's that? ';-)`
 
@egreg I'm thinking of switching to Linux + a windows VM
for Word and Powerpoint
 
@Canageek I think I've not substantially used Word since 1988.
 
8:42 PM
@egreg People send me files in this
 
@Canageek Tell them to stop! :)
 
@egreg My boss lets us use latex, not going to argue with him. ;)
 
@egreg Good luck with that
@Canageek I've wondered: my Mac (set up much the same way) works nicely, but I'm considering a Dell next time
 
@JosephWright So am I. Dell and Lenovo are the only ones left with touchpoints in the keyboard.
 
yo'
@Canageek NTFS for files? I'm not crazy.
 
8:44 PM
@yo' Or use a Windows driver for a linux file system
 
yo'
@Canageek may be. But the thing is, I haven't needed the other system for ages.
 
9:18 PM
any one here has TL 2016 can try this simple command and see if they get same error I am getting? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/315162/… thanks
 
@Nasser Yes.
   1265 \let\sv:etoc\e:tableofcontents
   1266 %
   1267           <A0>\Configure{tableofcontents}
   1268        {\IgnorePar\EndP\HCode{<div class="\sec:typ TOCS">}\IgnorePar}
 
@egreg ok thanks! I guess I am back to TL 2015. Since none of my builds can work with such an error there.
 
That's what I get by using LESSCHARSET=ascii; a “non breaking space” sneaked in
@Nasser I removed it and the file compiles
@Nasser Make a local copy, edit it and it should do. File a bug report, it should be fixed soon.
The file is /usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/generic/tex4ht/html4.4ht
 
@egreg if you can be kind enough to post this as answer, so I can make a link to it when I file a bug report for lualatex, otherwise, I do not know what to say since this is a bit over my head to describe what you did.
is this a bug against tex4ht or lualatex?
 
@Nasser tex4ht
 
9:32 PM
it looks like tex4ht from the file you show there.
@egreg ok, thanks, will do that now.
 
10:27 PM
Is there a bug tracker for the tikzscale package?
 

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