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2:42 AM
@cfr The relevant code to set the \normalfont size (also in slides.cls) is included below:
\documentclass{beamer}
\def\rmdefault{lcmss}        % no roman
\def\sfdefault{lcmss}
\def\ttdefault{lcmtt}
\def\itdefault{sl}
\def\sldefault{sl}
\def\bfdefault{bx}
\makeatletter
\def\itwentypt{19.907}
\def\@setfontsize@parms#1#2#3#4#5#6#7#8{%
   \lineskip #1\relax%
   \parskip #2\relax
   \abovedisplayskip #3\relax
   \belowdisplayskip #4\relax
   \abovedisplayshortskip #5\relax
   \belowdisplayshortskip #6\relax
  \setbox\strutbox=\hbox{\vrule \@height#7\p@\@depth#8\p@\@width\z@}%
  \baselineskip\baselinestretch\baselineskip
But then maybe some other definitions would need to be added?
 
@GonzaloMedina I believe cfr (Clae f. Rees) was never actice in chat. Because of this he (?) does unfortunately not get a notification. BTW also when one was not active for a longer time (amount unknown to me), he does not get notifications anymore (as it happened last time for you).
 
@Speravir Ah, OK. I left a comment to his answer with a link to the message in chat.
 
@GonzaloMedina Yes, I’ve seen meanwhile. I wanted to do the same. :-)
 
3:58 AM
Hey @GonzaloMedina, the question you answered sparked a bit of research on my end, too, but I couldn't find any documentation for any TikZ 'graphs' or 'graphdrawing' library whatsoever—did you use texdoc or the wonderful powers of Google? Seems like a useful package to use considering my undergrad thesis :-)
 
4:17 AM
@SeanAllred many tikz users have installed CVS 3.0.0 which has Graph Drawing Algorithms: features in changelog when compiled with lualatex engine. graphdrawing library does not work on 2.10 pgf version that is available on updated TeXLive.
Recently seen some answers by Mark Wibrow tex.stackexchange.com/a/159162/15717 that i could not compile and found out the latest library was in 3.0.0
I hope I am right since i have 2.10 on my machine.
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Q: What are the new features in TikZ/pgf 3.0?

IngoSince the December 20, 2013, we have new major release of the wonderful TikZ/pgf package: version 3.0.0! 1 Unfortunately, I was not able to find a nice human readable list of changes, that goes to some depth and maybe even provides some examples. This page probably comes closest to it: 2 Theref...

Ok it has not made into CTAN.^^
 
4:43 AM
@SeanAllred @texenthusiast You can get a TDS version from pgf.sourceforge.net
 
@texenthusiast @Speravir Thanks for the links—I'm reading the docs now :) This is some pretty crazy stuff.
Do you have to use LuaTeX though to use the library? Is there any minimalist use case that doesn't need it?
 
 
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7:22 AM
Anyone know how to get macros that use \def to work inside a tikz path?
It seems I just get "Giving up on this path. Did you forget a semicolon?"
 
8:20 AM
@DavidCarlisle I've been fiddling around with the '\Uchar-equivalent': working for the basics but fails when trying to force expansion. I think the EFO issue with \scantokens may be a killer here.
 
8:35 AM
@cfr Why is your answer on the slides question deleted?
 
8:53 AM
I'm tempted to answer this one with: "That's because of Lie algebras" :D
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Q: A "math font error" I fixed but, don't know what was wrong

Paul PlummerI was typing my homework and got this error: ! LaTeX Error: \mathfrak allowed only in math mode. Recently I added some macros to my macro file that gives mathfrak text when used so, I figured I must have used that command without using math mode. I looked around and saw that since I last compil...

 
9:25 AM
@tohecz ooh League of Algebras! :)
 
10:07 AM
@jtbandes put them inside \pgfextra{}
 
@percusse sir, you are the TikZ don. :)
 
10:22 AM
@JosephWright is there ever a time when you don't want \everyeof{\noexpand} ? Or instead of using the hook can't you add it to the definition of Uchar (so it doesn't need an assignment)
 
@DavidCarlisle Doesn't work with \everyeof{\noexpand} :-(
@DavidCarlisle \tl_rescan:nn wants a 'special' token list as \everyeof, but that's in a group so I guess 'no'
 
@JosephWright what doesn't work? (It was working in a \write for me.) (not very extensive tests)
 
@PauloCereda :) Did you come back from conf?
 
@percusse Yep, I survived. :) Missed you guys. :)
 
@PauloCereda Did you bring any citations for us?
 
10:24 AM
@JosephWright ah, if you globally have non expandable stuff in everyeof you are stuffed making scantokens work just via expansion
 
@DavidCarlisle Works directly in an \edef but not when I try to use it inside \tl_expandable_lowercase:n, which uses a \romannumeral-based forced expansion
 
@percusse There was cake! :)
 
@percusse It seems even if I do this, I need to use a \def to get the result out or something.
In particular, this is what I'm doing:
	\newcommand{\readpath}[3]{
		\pgfextra{\def\pathimpl##1{\ifx##1.\let\rest\mygobble\else\ifx##1u#1\else#2\fi\def\rest####1{####1}\fi\rest\pathimpl}}
		\pathimpl#3.
	}
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm working on the assumption that the idea of emulating \Uchar is to use charcodes to use a range-based approach to changing case, but that requires that the char can be forced to expand correctly.
 
@jtbandes What does this read?
 
10:28 AM
Thankfully, I didn't see any keynotes using Comic Sans.
 
@percusse The idea is e.g. \readpath{ --(coord1) }{ --(coord2) }{ruurrur} where #3 is transformed into a sequence of #1 and #2
 
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Q: can you fix this?

CccCan you fix this? There are several horrors! \begin{tabular}{ | c | c | c | c | } \hline Modelo & Gl & SC & F \\ \hline \beta'=(\beta_0,\beta_1) & 2 & \beta'X'Y & $\frac{(SSE_r-SSEc)/(k-g)}{SSE_c/(n-[k+1])}$\\ Residual & n-2 & Y'Y-\beta'X'Y & \\ \hline ...

Great, now Can't touch this is in my head. Dammit.
 
@jtbandes TikZ doesn't understand macros for paths. It works on branching upon the first character on the stream. So it has to see - to be able to switch to --,-| etc.
@jtbandes I would say, cook up your custom to path for this
 
@percusse Hm, but this works: \foreach \x in {r,u,u,r,r,u,r}{ -- \if u\x (coord1) \else (coord2) \fi node{}}
 
@jtbandes But that uses foreach which stores the previous paths and append every spin.
 
10:34 AM
@percusse I see. what do you mean by "custom to path"? Where can I learn about this?
 
@jtbandes So what you want to do is to use the node names or coordinates more than one time? Is that about right?
 
@percusse yes, they'll probably be ++(0,1) and ++(1,0) with a node at each step.
 
@JosephWright something like that yes, but it seems that as long as you can get something that expands to the lowercase hex of a number in one expansion, that should be OK. Has to be such that romannumeral gives all the hex digits not just the first so you can stick ^^^^ in front and \noexpand after then use \scantokens
 
@PauloCereda is that one of the several horrors the question talks about? ;)
 
@jtbandes In the manual, there must be an example of edge operation
You can use the start and end points and nodes in a customized way.
I have version 3.00 so looking for 2.10 now
 
10:47 AM
@DavidCarlisle Thus far, I've got to
\cs_set:Npn \__int_to_letter:n #1
  {
    \exp_after:wN \exp_after:wN
    \if_case:w \__int_eval:w #1 - \c_ten \__int_eval_end:
         a
    \or: b
    \or: c
    \or: d
    \or: e
    \or: f
    \else: \__int_value:w \__int_eval:w #1 \exp_after:wN \__int_eval_end:
    \fi:
    }
\cs_new:cpn  { __char_U_2 :n } #1 { ^ ^ #1 }
\cs_new:cpn  { __char_U_3 :n } #1 { ^ ^ ^ #1 }
\cs_new:cpn  { __char_U_4 :n } #1 { ^ ^ ^ ^ #1 }
\cs_new:cpn  { __char_U_5 :n } #1 { ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ #1 }
\cs_new:cpn  { __char_U_6 :n } #1 { ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ #1 }
which works OK in an \edef/\write but not if I try to do an \expandafter or \romannumeral expansion
 
@percusse Ah, I found it, section 14.14 of the manual for 2.10
What's new in 3.0 / where is it available?
 
@JosephWright I was just looking at the etex manual now, is the extended ^^ notation documented? I thought it had to be 2 4 or 6 but I don't see it at all
 
@DavidCarlisle It's XeTeX and LuaTeX specific
 
@DavidCarlisle My version is XeTeX-specific
 
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Q: What are the new features in TikZ/pgf 3.0?

IngoSince the December 20, 2013, we have new major release of the wonderful TikZ/pgf package: version 3.0.0! 1 Unfortunately, I was not able to find a nice human readable list of changes, that goes to some depth and maybe even provides some examples. This page probably comes closest to it: 2 Theref...

 
10:51 AM
@jtbandes The official version is 2.10 and it's on CTAN. But the authors of TikZ are keeping the source open and they release the development version which is known as the CVS version. And that's the prospective version number 3.00
 
@egreg, @DavidCarlisle From memory, the rules are different between XeTeX and LuaTeX
 
@JosephWright There's something by Bruno on the site.
 
@egreg Yes
 
Our fantastic @PauloCereda has a TDS ready version on his <strike>GitHub<strike> Bitbucket. bitbucket.org/cereda/tikzpgf-builds
 
10:53 AM
@egreg yes sure but since we're trying to fake luatex specific commands in xetex that's not a problem:-)
@JosephWright If I read it right you are adding the ^ too early aren't you (so stopping romannumeral expansion after the first)
 
@DavidCarlisle We should ask a question about \Uchar :-)
 
@percusse I'm reading about to, but I'm not sure how it will help since I still need to split the input into multiple path segments
It's a little confusing to me --- I wrote a command that generates the path content. But I can't just drop it into the path...
 
@jtbandes yes it has to be expanded
 
Perhaps I can pre-expand the whole expression?
 
Can you make a MWE so that I and other Tikzians can attack?
 
10:59 AM
Sure
 
@JosephWright get @egreg to ask
 
@DavidCarlisle It's easier sending an email to Khaled, asking him to implement \Uchar.
 
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Q: Expanding a sequence inside a TikZ path

jtbandesI am trying to draw a simple path using TikZ, with a custom command to specify it. This works: \newcommand{\latticepath}[1]{ \draw[thick] (0,0) node{} \foreach \x in {#1}{ -- \if u\x ++(0,1) \else ++(1,0) \fi node{}}; } \begin{tikzpicture}[x=3mm,y=3mm] \tikzset{every node/.style={circle,...

 
@egreg agreed, which brings me back to a discussion I had with @JosephWright earlier in the week, same might be said of accessing IEEE doubles, or regular expressions or ...
 
@egreg Except when we asked for \pdfstrcmp we did say that was 'it' for us
 
11:14 AM
@DavidCarlisle Character tokens have a fixed location in TeX's memory, if I'm not mistaken. Adding a primitive that accesses that location shouldn't be so difficult.
 
@DavidCarlisle Not quite the same: what 'should' happen is established for \Uchar but not for the other cases you point to
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle As \scantokens is expandable, shouldn't it not matter?
 
@JosephWright It's expandable but it doesn't expand its argument, it needs to see ^^^^abc not ^^^^\amacro-expanding-to-abc
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but that is supplied by e.g.:
\cs_new:Npn \__char_U_count_aux:w #1#2 \q_stop #3
  {
    \etex_scantokens:D
      \exp_after:wN \exp_after:wN \exp_after:wN
        { \cs:w __char_U_ #1 :n \cs_end: {#3} }
  }
 
@JosephWright well to reuse an earlier comment, get @egreg to ask:-)
 
(slight improvement of my earlier function)
 
11:24 AM
@DavidCarlisle \scantokens\xp{\xp^\xp^\xp^\xp^\amacro}
 
@JosephWright ah OK as long as you have enough exp_after there. My version is working perfect;y when I run it in my head but xetex says I can't handle that very well; good luck.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
Simple demo:
\everyeof{\noexpand}
\showtokens\expandafter{\scantokens{^^37}}
 
@egreg yes, of course, except you have to expandably work out how many ^ you need (or make sure you always have 5 hex digits)
 
@DavidCarlisle That part was easy enough to sort :-)
 
Runaway text?
7\noexpand
! File ended while scanning text of \showtokens.
 
11:28 AM
@DavidCarlisle Quite
 
\scantokens is more trouble than it's worth, while egreg is asking Khaled to implement Uchar he could ask him to remove this pointless end of file error at same time.
 
@DavidCarlisle LuaTeX's \scantextokens :-)
 
@JosephWright ah so we just need to fake \scantextokens in xetex...
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@JosephWright so you still need to be doing expansion when you get to the end of \scantokens so you can expand \noexpand to suppress the end of file error. If you are not doing expansion, \noexpand does nothing so you get an error. So it's all logical and all is well?
 
11:35 AM
@DavidCarlisle Well there is some logic :-)
 
@JosephWright of course if someone were implementing Uchar, and expandable variant of \char then they might just implement an expandable \lowercase at same time.....
 
@DavidCarlisle Altering expansion behaviour of \lowercase could cause all sorts of issues! I'm just trying to see what is doable.
Bruno's existing expandable case-changing does work, as I've noted
 
@JosephWright no not change, add!
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, right
 
@JosephWright yes but it would be faster in C:-)
 
11:39 AM
@DavidCarlisle Was thinking that the LuaTeX doc at leasts suggests things may change
@DavidCarlisle Yes, certainly
 
@JosephWright although less easy for the user to change
 
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps, although assuming you stick with \lccode there is a mech
 
@JosephWright true
 
@DavidCarlisle Also doesn't directly address the upper/title case business: more at the 'case-folding' level
(as is my current plan)
 
@JosephWright title case probably does live in the macro layer (or explicit end user markup, in the end) or you end up like bibtex which tries to do itautomatically and users spend all their time asking how to add markup to stop it
meanwhile is anyone else going to the cultural highlight of the year?
 
11:49 AM
@DavidCarlisle How many AA nominations?
 
12:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that too. I meant that the mapping I suggest was 1-1 and uses the Unicode case-folding table not the title case or upper case one
 
@cgnieder LOL
@percusse <3
 
@JosephWright yes I agree
 
12:28 PM
I've sent off an article for TUGboat :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I checked how many different 'shift ranges' there are: I make it 82. A few too many for nested conditionals!
@NicolaTalbot Cool what on?
 
@JosephWright datatool and datatooltk
 
@NicolaTalbot Was my guess
 
@JosephWright It's basically a trimmed down version of the second chapter of my pending LaTeX book.
 
@NicolaTalbot Ah, right
 
12:32 PM
@NicolaTalbot I heavily used datatool and expl3 together in the conference. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yay! :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot <3
 
12:56 PM
@PauloCereda Do you want a sneak preview of the new book?
It mentions arara again ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh I'd love to take a peek!
@NicolaTalbot Oh no! :)
@percusse: sir, daily build! :)
 
@PauloCereda Most of the chapters are stubs but the "Managing Data" chapter has the stuff about datatool and datatooltk. Some of the formatting needs adjusting. The draft's here: dickimaw-books.com/latex/admin/admin-report-draft.pdf
 
@NicolaTalbot Wow!
 
@PauloCereda Lots of ducks! :-P
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh my, I was gonna mention that right now!
:)
 
1:09 PM
@PauloCereda I couldn't think of a good list of sample names.
 
1:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle I've thought of a way of avoiding Lua for case-changing in LuaTeX while still getting performance similar to XeTeX. This avoids using the unicode library, which doesn't seem to do quite what the Unicode docs specify!
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
 
1:57 PM
Guys, we need an interviewee!
 
@PauloCereda We've got one. His names has 4 parts, the first starts with P and the last starts with C :)
 
@tohecz Uh-oh. :) Nope, I mean other interviewees. :)
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps you should interview Psmith :-)
!!/answer When did you first learn about TeX?
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith's interview might become the most truthworthy of all of them
 
@tohecz LOL :-)
 
2:08 PM
@NicolaTalbot and I don't seem to be able to write the sentence down so that it makes sense :P
 
@tohecz :-) I keep mistyping "duck". It's most unfortunate that i should be next to u on my keyboard. One day an embarrassing typo is going to slip into one of my books.
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@NicolaTalbot Like this one? shanghaiist.com/2014/02/01/…
 
@tohecz Oh my!
 
@NicolaTalbot a bit of a faux-pas, one would say :p
 
2:26 PM
@NicolaTalbot Uh-oh. :) I need to activate him. :)
 
 
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3:45 PM
I'm a bit puzzled over displaymath. l2tabu advises against its use, but the reviewer of my LaTeX books thought me strange for advising the use of \[ and \] instead of \begin{displaymath} and \end{displaymath} since the displaymath environment is just defined to use \[ and \]. Why does l2tabu discourage it?
(I had a feeling it had something to do with amsmath but the amsmath user guide only makes a passing mention of displaymath that doesn't shed any light on the subject.)
 
@NicolaTalbot Nothing in Herbert's mathmode
 
@NicolaTalbot I think it's just a lack -- tex.stackexchange.com/questions/40492/…
 
@NicolaTalbot I believe it's a misunderstanding by l2tabu's authors (they say that amsmath would correctly redefine \[...\] but not displaymath. But of course amsmath doesn't have to since displaymath expands to \[ anyway.)
 
4:01 PM
@JosephWright, @MarcoDaniel, @cgnieder Thanks. I'll have to fix it in the next version, but I'll add a note in an errata file for now.
 
@NicolaTalbot In the German version of the companion you can find the following footnote related to displaymathinside the section about math-environemnts: Standard-LaTeX provides also the environment equation but doesn't provide a star version equation*. The later one is done by displaymath.
 
@MarcoDaniel I wonder how many people have been deprecating the use of displaymath with amsmath as a result of reading l2tabu. I think the authors need to update it.
 
4:49 PM
Per Harish's answer:
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A: Blank page before TikZ family tree picture

Harish KumarYour tikzpicture is too big to fit in the page vertically. LaTeX tries its best to fit it in the first page and throws the error: Overfull \vbox (147.53874pt too high) has occurred while \output is active Being unsuccessful, it pushes the picture to the second page leaving first one empty. Wh...

Apparently (La)TeX pushes a figure that is too big for the first page to the second, and stops there. The logic of this escapes me.
If it is too big for the first page, it is too big for the second page. So why push it at all?
 
@NicolaTalbot Indeed.
 
@FaheemMitha Pushing one page forward, LaTeX can 'know' that the figure placement happens before anything else
 
@JosephWright Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
 
@FaheemMitha On the first page LaTeX tries, by the time the figure placement is attempted LaTeX cannot be sure that there is not some text on the page preventing it fitting. On the second page, it can: either it fits or the figure is simply too big to fit anywhere. So it gives up and dumps the figure.
 
@JosephWright Hmm. I see.
And there is no canonical way to discourage it from this behavior? The solutions suggested seem like workarounds.
 
5:03 PM
@FaheemMitha What do you think LaTeX should do? The figure is too big, so some manual change is needed.
 
@JosephWright Hmm, well I don't know the background issues well enough to say.
 
@FaheemMitha My point if that if the picture is too big, it's too big. Whatever LaTeX does is going to have to be fixed by the user.
 
@JosephWright Ok.
 
@JosephWright Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science? :)
 
@PauloCereda I think you mean "so wise in the ways of typesetting". :-)
 
5:15 PM
@FaheemMitha Ah could be. :)
I think Joseph would get the reference regardless of the replacement word. :P
@David: a skeleton tried to shoot an arrow at me and hit a chicken nearby!
(I'm not crazy, I'm talking about Minecraft, a game that David is an expert nowadays)
 
@PauloCereda You lead an exciting life.
 
@FaheemMitha in HD! :)
 
@PauloCereda Ooh La La.
 
Now I need to convince @David to get M an Xbox (or borrow uncle @Joseph's PS3) so we could play GTA online. :)
 
I've uploaded my LaTeX books (volumes 1 and 2) to CTAN (plus "Creating a LaTeX minimal example").
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5:23 PM
@NicolaTalbot cool! :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay!
 
@NicolaTalbot Great: one for my blog, I think
 
@JosephWright Please. :)
 
@JosephWright I've added an errata file with the upload. I'll fix the issues in the next editions, but I need to get volume 3 finished first.
 
6:25 PM
frustration intensifies… I was installing the TikZ tds into my local texmf and more-or-less accidentally removed all of my local packages. I don't even remember if I have a backup, much less where I would have put them.
</vent>.
 
 
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8:14 PM
@SeanAllred <sad trombone sound here/> Sorry to hear. Things like this happen. I once wrote a wrong rule that removed my .tex file instead of the .aux file. Suddenly, the only thing left was the one file I wanna get rid of.
 
@canaaerus \expandafter is not abracadabra; what precisely do you want to do? — egreg 3 hours ago
 
@tohecz Unless of course \let\abracadabra\expandafter... Oh wait, does that work?
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Now I'm confused.
 
@PauloCereda It's times like these when I wonder if I'm actually responsible enough to use a computer. Luckily, I'm too irresponsible to care :-)
 
@PauloCereda maybe \def\expandafter{\emph{abracadabra}}, but it'll of course break a lot :)
 
@SeanAllred Go play some Xbox/PS3, buddy. :)
 
8:16 PM
@PauloCereda :) Sounds like a good plan to me.
 
@tohecz I love you.
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@PauloCereda don't say that too much ;)
 
How could I make a simple counter to label each node on a TikZ path? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/159448/…
 
@SeanAllred I would play right now, but it's too hot in here. My system usually "fries", and add that some hot weather = I'll get the three rings of death soon. :)
@tohecz <3
 
@PauloCereda Poor man's solution: Put the xbox in a junky minifridge and tape it shut as best you can. Worked for me my freshman year :)
 
8:18 PM
Speaking of TikZ:
Jan 13 '13 at 13:20, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda mv tikz.sty karma.sty
@SeanAllred LOL good plan. :) I used to have an external cooler, but it works only for the "fat" Xbox, and I have a slim one. :(
@tohecz: I watched a tutorial on a proof assistant named Coq. Some people were giggling in the audience. Unexpected puns everywhere. :)
We need to blame INRIA for that. :)
 
@PauloCereda of proof assistants. Well, the machines are impressive, but the people doing the math around are very seriously strange IMHO :-/
 
@tohecz :)
 
I mean, in 2 weeks of a conference where they made like 1/3 of the program and the audience, they weren't able to explain anyone what is a co-algebra. And whatever the managed to show using co-algebras, I was able to show using standard stuff in half time and half text length
 
@tohecz Are you suggesting that mathematicians are crazy?
@tohecz I too had that experience. Usually coalgebras are more elegant, but impossible to understand
 
@egreg Ok, so now you seem to have the answer: some mathematicians are just too crazy
@egreg No, they just say: "Coalgebra is this comutative diagram. Next slide, please."
 
8:28 PM
@tohecz That's easy: draw the diagram for algebras, reverse the arrows and you're done. ;-)
 
"Well, could you please explain us more precisely what is a coalgebra, and maybe give a well-defined example of it?" -- "Yes, of course. Do you see this diagram? That is co-algebra, if it commutes. Let's continue."
@egreg yes, but that seems to make CDs a goal, and not a tool for understanding.
For me, if someone writes in a paper: "... is redundant if and only if $F\Phi=\Phi G$, i.e., if the following diagram commutes: <CD here>," I'm happy since the diagram helped me to understand the statement. But that was never the case with co-stuff that those co-people tried to explain.
 
8:42 PM
@PauloCereda I once accidentally deleted my PhD thesis. Luckily I was using an Acorn Archimedes so it was just a case of dumping all the free hard disk space into a file, stripping all the control codes, and there was my LaTeX source! (Along with a whole load of other deleted stuff. A 32Mb hard disk seemed awfully large at the time.)
 
@NicolaTalbot That was probably not an accident :P
 
@percusse It was a "learning experience" :-P
 
@NicolaTalbot :-)
 
@tohecz The problem is that coalgebra copeople try to coexplain. Now, what's the reverse of “explaining”? ;-)
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@NicolaTalbot Oh my!
 
8:53 PM
@egreg obfuscating
 
@percusse Bingo!
 
@percusse the problem is that you suppose you have the co-definition, and then you co-induce from it :)
 
@tohecz I stopped listening after I found out that covariant and contravariant vector difference is almost as simple as transposing a vector in my mechanics of continua lectures
:)
 
So apparently the problem with coalgebra is the coalgebra involved. :)
 
@percusse covariant and contravariant has some meaning. You don't need such stuff for basic mechanics, but from some moment (STR at stuff), you quite can't be without that
btw, my Editor-in-charge won't like me: in this issue, like every second paper has only 5 lines of 120 on the last page ;)
 
9:02 PM
@tohecz Not saying they are useless. They are incredibly convoluted to explain a very very basic algebraic idea.
 
@percusse yep, that's the problem of co-everything. I had a feeling like that to discover America, one needs to fly to Pluto
 
@tohecz Thank you for flying with Bourbaki Airlines
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@percusse LOL
 
(btw, do you know the feeling of having all stars in the right panel yellow? :) )
 
@tohecz <3
@tohecz: David needs to say something, a star wall is not a star wall without one of David's remarks. :)
 
9:07 PM
@PauloCereda well, somehow these quite stay black with me :-/ (now, I made a coming-out)
 
@tohecz :)
 
Damn, sometimes you can't make the article look well typeset
 
I've been given a Kobo Aura HD to keep my ignorance under control. Should I use Calibre to handle the non-DRM material?
 
@percusse what?
 
@tohecz Those digital things that you can read books
Ah eReader
 
9:14 PM
@percusse ah the useless thing that you can take with you in metro :)
well, speaking of devices, @Paulo or others, any experience with digital voice recorders? I'm looking for higher quality for reasonable price, aiming at connecting it to my digital piano
 
@tohecz My recommendation is to get a Zoom H4N. but the price is a little high. But it is really really good. I record drums with it
 
@percusse does it have a jack in?
 
Yes but for which line?
this shows many aspects
 
@percusse well, just explain me why it costs less USD than EUR :-/
 
@tohecz do you have any spare Nobel lying there for me?
 
9:25 PM
@percusse what?
 
@tohecz that answer needs a nobel prize
 
@percusse ah ok :D
 
9:42 PM
@percusse Well, the vid wasn't that convincing TBH. Surely not to the extent of spending EUR250 for it :-/
 
@tohecz I record drums with it in a relatively small room. A digital piano is no match for it :)
 
@percusse yep, I know :)
@percusse I wonder whether you're able to tell the difference here: :) (I'm really curious, because I hardly can)
 
In my question I referenced earlier, I was wondering. Harish fixed the issue with
\usepackage[a4paper,margin=1in]{geometry}
but I had fiddled with settings like
\setlength{\oddsidemargin}{-0.6in}
\setlength{\evensidemargin}{-0.10in}
\setlength{\topmargin}{-0.5in}
with no visible effect. Do these do different things? The first line and the latter lines?
 
@FaheemMitha geometry resets all layout dimensions, and does nothing more than that, so you can achieve the same result with or without it, it's just a bit painful sometimes :)
 
@tohecz The bass is missing a little. Also it is recorded from a speaker so no ambient difference. Hence the mics are useless in that situation.
I meant the cymbal whoosh doesn't have the thickness with the Olympus but minor difference indeed.
 
9:57 PM
@percusse missing in which of the three more? and I agree, it's a "cheap comparison" :)
 
@tohecz I'm particularly puzzled by the a4 setting. I thought I was using a4.
 
@percusse well, I need to find a good comparison of the Yamaha and the cheaper Zoom ones
 
@tohecz Well Yamaha died out already in this test :) But Zoom has a little bit of depth. But this comparison is indeed a misleading one.
 
@FaheemMitha well, usually it's letter by default. Rule of thumb: paper size always goes to the class options ;)
@percusse really? ok, I really don't hear that. Well, from a notebook speaker, needed to say
 
@tohecz Oh, well I print to a4. Does that mean I should be specifying a4 as an option everywhere, class, article?
 
9:59 PM
because I have a yamaha piano, yamaha piano combo, and 2 pairs of yamaha headphones, and all are fine
 
I thought I had set it as an option in some config file. That's not enough?
 
@tohecz brand loyalty is so 90s :P
 
@FaheemMitha always specify \documentclass[a4paper]{whateverclassyouuse} since LaTeX knows to have double standards on default paper size. You save yourself a lot of troubles by doing this
 
@tohecz Ok. I didn't know that. Can you point to me any discussion about this on the site?
 
10:01 PM
@FaheemMitha I'm not sure I can :)
 
10:17 PM
@percusse Yes, it is, somehow. But honestly I tested couple studio headphones in the shop directly on the Yamaha pianos, and the Yamaha ones simply won :)
So when I went for something simple in-ear for travelling, I got Yamaha, too :)
This one is impressive, too, btw, but 90 vs 150? wtf?
 
@tohecz I don't have experience on those, sadly. :(
 
@PauloCereda well, you don't need to probably :)
@percusse So I might end with Tascam DR-05, but I wanna get some more tests yet
 
@tohecz Ok.
@tohecz David on the subject
the default at that level (in TeX for the standard classes) is always usletter. The driver probably defaults to a4 or use letter for positioning the typeset area on a physical page though. — David Carlisle Nov 16 '12 at 13:03
I'm not sure what he means by that. There are two different places to choose paper size?
 
10:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle The 'Uchar emulation' does have a use: means my code to turn the Unicode tables into something we can use works with both UTF-8 engines :-)
 
@tohecz just noticed David is replying to an answer by you. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha well, that happens :)
 

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