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4:29 AM
@percusse What is the big confusion about .store in and .get?
@remjg In the evening, I'll take another look. As Qrr mentioned, this is far from a satisfactory answer and needs some under the hood demo. Where is Ryan Reich when you need him? — percusse 12 hours ago
 
5:08 AM
@DavidCarlisle Done:
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A: Using \phantom in subscript with the bayesnet TikZ library

QrrbrbirlbelYes, you can measure the width. With \sbox0{$\scriptstyle N-$} and one \hspace*{.5\wd0} before and after the actual content would solve this. But it is easier to use the text width key (or minimum width subtracting the /pgf/inner xsep values). You can use either \widthof (more robust) or P...

 
5:19 AM
any one knows how to make a horizontal line in multicols, that only span the column and not across the whole page? I use \hrule but the line go across the 3 columns. I only want it to go one column ofcourse
\begin{multicols}{3}
...
\hrule
....
\end{multicols}
 
@Nasser Shouldn’t \hrule have some parameters (width, height, depth)? Anyhow, have you tried \hrulefill?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel , yes I tried \hrulefill. The problem I do not know the width to use. For pdf, I can guess, but I am also compling with tex4ht to HTML. I thought this is automated, so that it can calculate the width itself?
\hrulefill does not work, even in PDF. The line goes across the whole page
 
hhh
How can I create two lines for sum $\sum_{oneLine \\ SecondLine}$?
 
@Nasser Hm, can you try \noindent\hrule width\linewidth\relax?
@hhh \sum_{\substack{oneLine \\ secondLine}} (amsmath)
 
hhh
5:36 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Thank you, worked like a charm!
Do I need to import some pkg for \hspace{3} command like $\sum_i p(i) \hspace{10}\forall p\in P$?
(I try to add spaces between the equation an the quantifiers but now they are written immediately after one another, hard reading)
 
@hhh You need a unit … otherwise LaTeX provides shortcut for common lengths: \,, \:, \;, \quad, \qquad which are usually used
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel sorry I did not hear the beep. How to turn it on? Will try now!
 
hhh
5:52 AM
\begin{equation}\label{eq:FV}
\begin{split}
e_1\succ_{FV} e_2 &\Leftrightarrow Q\left(p|e_2^c\right) \geq Q\left(p|e_1^c\right) \\
&\Leftrightarrow \sum_{\substack{i=1 \\ e_1\in C_i, e_2\not\in C_i}}^{N_{cut}} \prod_{j\in C_i} p_j - \sum_{\substack{i=1 \\ e_2\in C_i, e_1\not\in C_i}}^{N_{cut}} \prod_{j\in C_i} p_j \geq 0 \hspace{1\;} \forall p\in P_F
\end{split}
\end{equation}

I am getting some error due to the split environment
when I add the \hspace{1\;}, it started to fire err there.
 
@hhh Oh no. Those commands I recited do actually insert space. They are not a unit! Units are pt, mm, in and mu, ex and em.
 
hhh
?
Do I need \hspace at all?
 
The mu is an eigthteenth of an em (those and ex are font related units).
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel thanks. THis worked \noindent\hrule width\linewidth\relax BUT only for pdf. When I generated the HTML with tex4ht, the line was going across the whole web page. I guess tex4ht does not support this. oh well. Thanks for your help.
 
No either \hspace{<number><unit>} like \hspace{0.5em} or \; (which do an internal version of \hspace on their own).
 
hhh
5:55 AM
I see -- \quad worked like a charm alone, thank you again :)
 
@Nasser I don't know about tex4ht. Isn't there a HTML equivalent of lines?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel I am sure there is, if I hack it and insert direct HTML commands, but I really do not need to do this...
 
 
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hhh
8:51 AM
How to make \hline a dashed line?
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Q: Can a table include a horizontal dashed line?

jevonIn a normal table, you can use the \hline command to draw a horizontal line. I am trying to make this line a dashed horizontal line. I have found the package dashrule via this answer, but this only works for \rule situations; i.e. it can't be directly used as a line in a table, and LaTeX won't c...

Solved.
 
Stumbled across tex.stackexchange.com/users/24770/tim-hoffmann: now I know who to ping for TeXstudio issues!
 
 
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10:52 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel voted:-)
 
11:21 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel One can see that \aValue serves no real purpose. part is not inline with Tantau. It serves the purpose of accessing the value first. You def,let example is true for TeX but not for pgfkeys. the value .initial is not available. That's why it's not bad practice but strange construction.
From the manual
\pgfkeys{/my key/.initial=red}
% "/my key" now stores the value "red"
\pgfkeys{/my key=blue}
% "/my key" now stores the value "blue"
Note that with this configuration, writing \pgfkeys{/my key} will not have the effect you might ex-
pect (namely that blue is inserted into the main text). Rather, /my key will be promoted to /my
key=\pgfkeysnovalue and, thus, \pgfkeysnovalue will be stored in /my key.
To retrieve the value stored in a key, the handler /.get is used.
This is what I mean by not accurate in your answer. You need to get the value if you wish to use it.
It's not directly a let , def op. At least not that straightforward
Otherwise you need to initialize the key and the macro given in /.store in
And that's not better only a different way.
 
11:47 AM
@moderators: the spamming user tex.stackexchange.com/users/35354/user2695827 has manny accounts. Can he be deleted?
 
12:46 PM
Guys, prof. Jeff Ullman will give an online course on automata theory. Is anyone interested? :)
 
 
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2:41 PM
Anyone know off-hand how to force biblatex to use a user-defined label in alphabetic mode if there's no author or editor (or year)?
@PauloCereda is it going to be available recorded or just live?
 
2:53 PM
found it... set label, not key in the bib entry
 
@Kurt I found only that one, but have destroyed
 
@JosephWright I think meanwhile some accounts for special pages have been deleted. He/she had 9 accounts when I looked on it :-(
 
@Kurt Ah
 
3:21 PM
@JosephWright As for 'what I'm up to', I'm playing with the idea of an object system as a package-based extension for expl3. In expl3 today, we have these concepts---there is an int data structure, a clist data structure, and some functions that are tailored to those data structures---such a union of data and function is what makes objects, well, objects.
I'm just trying to generalize this concept and make the creation of new objects, such as int and seq, more accessible.
 
@SeanAllred Bruno had some similar ideas
However, as I understood it they make sense primarily for prop/seq, where nesting is a pain and it would be good to have a more generic extendible approach, to cover for example data tables. For something like int it doesn't help as registers are the best approach.
 
@JosephWright Do you know what came of his efforts? Is there something already in the works, that I could contribute to, instead of making an otherwise competing system.
And of course
 
@SeanAllred Bruno said he had ideas: I've not seen any code
 
In most languages, there is the concept of a primitive type (and int is very often one of them)
 
Let me find the appropriate e-mail
@SeanAllred It's a bit long: can I forward it to you?
 
3:26 PM
Absolutely: allred.sean@gmail.com
 
@Luke I think it will be available for download.
 
@PauloCereda yay! automata!
 
@SeanAllred Yep. :)
 
@JosephWright Got it, and you weren't kidding! I'll get back to you once I finish reading.
 
@SeanAllred :-)
 
3:30 PM
In other news, Bruno stole my would-be package name, l3obj. Too bad it's a reserved namespace.
At least I have an unreasonable excuse for feeling as impossibly clever as Bruno.
 
@SeanAllred Well there is nothing like a reserved namespace in the TeX world: we can only ask politely
 
@JosephWright Luckily, the TeX world is very polite :)
 
@SeanAllred Mainly, yes
 
@percusse I don't get it. The .initial value is available:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfkeys}
\begin{document}
% This performs:
% \toks{I'm available}\edef\pgfk@/A{\the\toks}
\pgfkeys{/A/.initial=I'm available}

% This expands (after three expansion) to \pgfk@/A
1: \pgfkeysvalueof{/A}

% With no .default value, this works ...
2: \pgfkeys{/A}% ... contrary to the manual.

% This performs \let\A\pgfk@/A
3: \pgfkeys{/A/.get=\A}\A

% This performs \let\AA\pgfk@/A
4: \pgfkeysgetvalue{/A}\AA\AA
\end{document}
@percusse "writing \pgfkeys{/my key} will not have the effect you might ex-
pect (namely that blue is inserted into the main text)" is not correct but I wouldn't access the value that way anyway.
@Qrrbrbirlbel Correction \pgfkeysvalueof expands after two expansion to \pgfk@/A (which then expands to the value).
 
4:08 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel It works because there is no handler associated with it.
Or let say it only works in the toy examples.
That's only the execution of /.@cmd
We have only set /.initial so it passes the is it defined? test but then nothing else.
The main problem is that the example is too simple to demonstrate the nuances (that I'm not an expret of anyway)
 
4:34 PM
Guys, what's the dirtiest way to keep the letters closer when in math mode? Say, $ND = \dots $.
 
@PauloCereda Related question: tex.stackexchange.com/q/129400/586
 
@TorbjørnT. Thanks. :) I found something that is quite disturbing: $ N\!D = ... $ :P
 
Is this on topic?
6
Q: How are the glyph (character) names in PDF-files determined?

Lover of StructurePDF-files make internal use of glyph names. For example, the name of ≈ (U+2248; TeX \approx) appearing in a PDF-file might be approxequal. One can find such names in a TeX-generated PDF-file by compiling the TeX code with \pdfcompresslevel=0, inspecting the resulting PDF-file as a text file, a...

I'm not really sure that it is!
 
5:01 PM
@egreg: Am I commiting a sin by using $N\!D$? :)
 
@percusse What's the execution of /.@cmd? With .initial there is no /.@cmd involved. The .initial handler simply sets the value of the key. (\pgfkeyssetvalue{/full/path to/key}{<value>})
 
I seem to be collecting up a lot of editors to get questions answered!
 
Dan
@JosephWright I'd be happy to give any detail needed - I just don't know what else to give. I know how to download the files needed from CTAN, I just don't know where to put them to install them on Mac or Windows (hence separate questions)
@JosephWright @Werner seems to me that no one seems to know how to install without package manager - even though its on CTAN. Not very encouraging....
And the only CTAN instructions are to put them in the proper directory - I don't know what the proper directory is!
 
5:26 PM
@Dan You must install them in an TeXMF-Tree. Best would be to use a local one. Ther is a question and prober answer on the main side how to use a local TeXMF ...
 
Dan
@Kurt link? Because that made no sense to me
 
@Dan See
98
Q: Where do I place my own .sty files, to make them available to all my .tex files?

Tomas LyckenI know how to define a package - but how do I make it available (to myself) at all times? Say I have the package file commonstuff.sty, that I want to be able to include in any .tex file I create on my computer. Where do I put it? Do I need to run some installer on it, or is it enough to keep it ...

 
Dan
@Werner excellent, thanks!
 
@Dan Just search on the main page for local texmf tree and read the first results ...
 
Dan
@Kurt hmm odd, using the command gives me a location - but it is not there
not is there one in root of my home directory as indicated in the answer
@Werner @Kurt yes none of the paths in this answer are working for me - I have no texmf folder I can find
 
5:37 PM
@Dan On the question page do this:
 
Dan
@Kurt seems like everything if for MikTeX not for TeXLive 2013
I'm thinking they are not the same because none of the directions seem to work
I already searched Google before posting the questions and went through several answers on this site
The problem seems to be that the directory structure has changed somehow but no one seems to know how
oh well
I'll just hope someone can eventually answer the question
 
@Dan What do you mean: the structure is always the same, it's only the location that varies (depends on operating system)
 
Dan
@Kurt @Werner this seems to be best I've found, but none of it works for me:
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Q: How to make LaTeX see local texmf tree

JeremyI recently installed TeXLive 2011 on my Mac running Snow Leopard. I did not download MacTeX (for reasons we won't go into here). I'm running into a problem where pdflatex can't see my local texmf tree. I have the tree at ~/Library/texmf and I have a symbolic link to that directory at ~/texmf. In...

@JosephWright Meaning when I run the kpsewhich command, it gives me a folder location - but the folder does not exist at that location
 
Fonts are always a bit tricky to install because of the file conversion and map business
@Dan So? Just create it
 
Dan
And one of the questions even addresses this, but says it should be at an alternate location, but it is not there either
@JosephWright It says there should already be a file in that folder I need to edit
 
5:44 PM
@Dan Depends: if you've never locally installed anything, there won't be a local folder
 
Dan
@JosephWright ok but then I still don't know how to install - just put all the files into that directory and it should magically work
 
@Dan No, you need the correct structure and as we are talking fonts the appropriate converted files plus map updates.
 
Dan
@JosephWright this site seems to like making users find parts of their answers all over and piecing it together themselves - when people like myself Google, we are looking for someone with our same problem and an answer that works
 
@Dan I will take a look properly at this in a few minutes
 
Dan
hence why I asked separate questions about separate environments
 
5:46 PM
@Dan Makes little difference: you just alter where your local tree is
 
Dan
@JosephWright but to do that I need to alter the texmf.cnf file, but that file is supposed to be in a directory that does not exist for me. Back to where I started
 
@Dan No, what gives you that idea?
 
@Dan The question there is a case where someone's install seems to have gone a bit wrong: out of the box, TeX Live sets up to look for a local tree in %USERPROFILE/texmf (Windows), ~/texmf (Linux), ~/Library/texmf (Mac)
 
Dan
@JosephWright yes mine is looking in ~/Library/texmf (on Mac currently, but must also get this to work on Windows at work)
But that folder does not exist
nor does ~/texmf
 
5:59 PM
@Dan Are you sure: on 10.8 the Library is hidden as standard
 
Dan
@JosephWright yes because I'm using the command line - not hidden there ;)
 
@Dan From the Terminal: mkdir ~/Library/texmf
 
Dan
No such file or directory
 
@Dan Like I said, make it
@Dan Next question: do you actually have the font files?
 
Dan
@JosephWright ok
@JosephWright I want to install the mathgifg.sty package
 
6:00 PM
@Dan Yes, but that's just the LaTeX support. You need the fonts themselves too
@Dan My Windows rig has the Georgia TTF files but not a full set for Franklin Gothic
 
Dan
@JosephWright I should on my Mac for sure
@JosephWright I was gonna change the font anyways in the doc if I can figure out how but I don't know how to make it stop looking for that package anyways
For now I'll be happy to just get it to compile
 
@Dan mine doesn't: file names are wrong
@Dan OK, that part is easier
@Dan You need to extract the code from the .dtx: run tex mathgifg.ins
 
Dan
@JosephWright trying to get this to work, but all the questions on the site about this don't work for me since geared toward MikTeX
 
Then copy mathgifg.sty to ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/mathgfig/
 
Dan
@JosephWright just copy all the files to the root of the folder I created then do that?
 
6:04 PM
@Dan If it uses the fonts and you don't have them, installing just the .sty won't help
 
Dan
@JosephWright my solution for fonts is to use XeLaTeX since that is easiest
 
@Dan No, you just want the .sty file (initially: I'm reading the docs as I type) and it has to be in the 'correct' place ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/mathgfig/
 
Dan
@JosephWright there is no sty file
 
@Dan The font loading mechanism is different: XeLaTeX won't help if a package tries to load a font the 'traditional' way
 
6:06 PM
@Dan Did you run tex mathgifg.ins?
 
Dan
@JosephWright I'll have to return to this later. This is looking as though it will be very complicated
 
@Dan Unpacking code is not too hard, fonts are much more tricky.
 
Dan
@JosephWright Thank you very much for your help but I may need to just try to do something similar
@JosephWright I am thinking this is going to be above my paygrade ;)
 
@Dan I'll see if I can write some step-by-step instructions!
Or perhaps a script
 
Dan
@JosephWright that would be much appreciated - and I also think those who find this site using Google who only recently started using TeX will also appreciate it
 
6:08 PM
Ah! There is a ready-to-install file
 
Dan
@JosephWright be back later. Again, thank you very much for your help. I need to make a report generator, and that looks like a good starting point
@JosephWright using Python and wxPython so users don't even have to know what LaTeX is
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Let me ask you the other way around. Why does it print the value then?
That's what I mean
Notice that I've already used it in my answer anyway.
The third digit comes from that issue
 
@JosephWright I'm glad you shared that email with me. Bruno is thinking almost exactly along the lines I was, with some added expl3-fu from his experience (like scan marks and protected functions, whatever those are ;), right down to the property list of methods -> function-macros.
Is this the most recent communication Bruno has had with the team? I'd like to see if I can help with this project; l3obj can be implemented now and anything else that may or may not happen with the kernel may/may not happen if/when it matures.
 
@percusse It's coded that way. See \pgfkeys@case@two@extern. Updated code but not updated manual, I guess.
\def\pgfkeys@case@two@extern{%
  \ifx\pgfkeyscurrentvalue\pgfkeysnovalue@text%
    \pgfkeysvalueof{\pgfkeyscurrentkey}%
  \else%
    \pgfkeyslet{\pgfkeyscurrentkey}\pgfkeyscurrentvalue%
  \fi%
}
Either way, I wouldn't even use \pgfkeys{/A} to print the value ...
 
6:25 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Exactly. So if the key had code but no value then things get more interesting.
That's the misleading part of the simple examples
 
@SeanAllred Certainly have nothing more concrete: you'd be best asking him directly
 
@JosephWright Truth indeed. Thanks for your help!
 
@SeanAllred I tend to worry about other things (we have enough basic programming tools to tackle the bigger problems)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel So the key itself is not a single entity but what you provide to it changes the context. That's why I don't know how to answer that question properly.
 
@percusse If the key had code (i.e. /.@cmd) it is not a "value key" anymore. There is still a value but it can only be set and get with \pgfkeysvalueof, \pgfkeysgetvalue, /.get and \pgfkeyssetvalue as well as \pgfkeysgetvalue`.
 
6:28 PM
@JosephWright Like xor ;) <strikethrough>What bigger problems are you having?</strikethrough> Are these things accessible through the mailing list? (I know I can't keep abusing you as a source for all LaTeX3 knowledge...)
 
strikethrough done right.
 
@SeanAllred Bigger problems are legion, but include xor, how to properly describe design, ... Some of this in only on the team list, some of it probably is best known to Frank, etc.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes but it won't print the value anymore. So then manual becomes correct. But for values it's misleading. That's why I can't make a full story without repeating the whole section of the manual
 
@SeanAllred I'm happy to be helpful: the info is somewhat spread about even for those of us with the appropriate access :-)
 
@percusse Why should it? It's not a "value key" anymore. Has nothing to do with .store in really (that's only one case of .code).
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfkeys}
\begin{document}
0: \pgfkeys{/A/.initial=I'm still here.}  \par
1: \pgfkeysvalueof{/A}                    \par
2: \pgfkeys{/a/.store in=\a, a=I'm there} \par
3a: \a                                    \par
3b: \pgfkeysvalueof{/A}                   \par
3c: \a
\end{document}
 
6:32 PM
@JosephWright Fair enough :) And I understand such is the case with many open source projects
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel But in your example you specifically dismiss the non value code of the key. That's my only argument about your rant about it.
 
That's why I say, don't mix /.initial (a "value key") with .store in (a command key).
 
Especially those where the team is spread so thinly across oceans o.o
 
It depends on the context
You can use /.code and /.store in for the same key.
 
@SeanAllred You want to avoid asking too many LaTeX3 questions: this has a tendency to end up with you joining the team!
 
6:33 PM
or style or anything else. It becomes difficult to make sense out of it but it is possible
 
@percusse What do you mean? That \pgfkeys{/A} gives the value of the key is an undocumented (and following the manual, an unsupported) feature. It is not a proper way to get the value of the key.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Why unsupported?
 
@percusse You can, but you overwrite the other one. .store in=\macro is just a short cut to /.code=\def\macro{#1}.
 
@JosephWright Haha!! After undergrad, I promise I'll look into it seriously :) I've never been joking when I've said this is the only OSS project I believe in. Still trying to figure out the best time to actually join TUG
(The back of my mind keeps reminding me there is no time like the present!)
 
@SeanAllred How are you with serious typesetting?
 
6:36 PM
@percusse Your early quote from the manual: "... will not have the effect you might expect ..." and "thus, \pgfkeysnovalue will be stored in /my key" (which is not correct).
I'm not sure we are actually on opposite sides here (yes .initial keys are a little bit inconvenient but they are there for a good reason and should replace .store ins, except for specific things like providing an interface to another package) ...
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel We are talking past each other. It is now supported. But it is also adviced to use /.get in such situations. So there is no bad practice or else. It's just one way of initializing the macro that holds the value without using /.default
I'm not saying your comment is wrong. It just doesn't seem to be the case of a different practice.
I have to say that I dislike both of them :)
 
@JosephWright I am very much still learning the terminology and best-practices/traditions; I tend to trust (La)TeX to know what's best (except of course where university requirements speak otherwise). I don't have any experience with publishing whatsoever, unfortunately. So, unless I misunderstand, it depends on what you mean by 'serious typesetting' :)
I obviously like learning new things and am decently good at generalizing and implementing what I learn (at least recently with with expl3). I dunno.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel It shouldn't be so convoluted but the guy is a prof of CS so maybe there are other cases where this might make sense
 
@percusse I don't know the exact definition of "being supported" but if the manual says "don't" (or "doesn't work that way" but it does), I wouldn't rely on it. (And as it isn't expandable you won't find a really good use for it.)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel It's actually a good thing if you want to point to a code so it keeps #1 etc. intact. The usual problem with pgfkeys is overexpansion.
 
6:49 PM
@percusse Maybe our use cases for keys are different but I hadn't had a problem with .initial keys so far. And Claudio also reports problems with them which is the reason he uses .initial and .store in
 
7:02 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Possibly. I prefer /.value required for things that needs to be set and define things with a value.
 
@percusse Which sets a special .default value and excludes \pgfkeys{/A} of course.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel That's a bonus. I want to provide explicitly the value if I'm going to set something. Otherwise I don't want to provide the key at all.
@TorbjørnT. Thank you for the fix.
 
8:01 PM
@Dan I've added what is hopeful a general answer to your question. It's non-trivial to install files for traditional TeX: the instructions are not short!
You forget just how tricky installing fonts is for pdfTeX!
 
@JosephWright I left a comment to your answer tex.stackexchange.com/a/129934/4427
 
@egreg Yes, I did wonder about this
@egreg The problem is you then need Admin access and have to hash
@egreg MiKTeX situation depends on single/multi-user situation
@egreg Feel free to edit!
 
8:16 PM
@JosephWright Of course. But the "personal tree" way is worse.
 
@egreg Depends
@egreg You are assuming you need to add new font files during the year, which is pretty unlikely nowadays
 
@JosephWright Fonts may be added or modified any time
 
@egreg Unlikely
@egreg TL does a full install, and who is releasing new free PFB fonts?
 
@JosephWright To the contrary: it's quite frequent. See the recent upload of fbb
 
@egreg Still assumes an update: most users probably don't do this
@egreg Like I said, feel free to edit!
@egreg OK, I'll make some changes :-)
 
8:25 PM
@JosephWright this user stackexchange.com/users/3215135/user2714080 is spamming the entire network; can you destroy him?
 
@JosephWright I've run TeX Live Utility 10 times in August, in 7 of them updmap-sys has been run.
 
@egreg OK, OK, am editing!
 
(If it's possible, I don't know if he has a TeX.SX account)
 
@egreg Check over the edits
 
9:17 PM
@JosephWright It's better to add the entry to /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/web2c/updmap.cfg and then run updmap-sys
 
@egreg Really? I did say feel free to edit
 
@JosephWright Done
 
9:37 PM
@JosephWright I tested the MWE in the question and the hint of @PeterGrill. The error still occurs, but can be soöved with the hint. Should I write an answer? But I do not want to steal reps ...
2
Q: misplaced qed symbol after displaymath inside item of inline list

K. Stm.My problem involes a qed symbol which appears too early. My observations are that it happens after a displaymath inside an item of an unboxed inline list. All of this seems to be necessary to produce the error. The packages involved are ntheorem, thmtools and enumitem. If I compile this code wi...

 
@Kurt Leave Peter a comment
 
Okay, done.
 
kan
Friends, I found a site to learn French? Anybody fancies learning French like I do?
 
@kan Ask David for French conversation
 
@kan Fetchez la vache
 
kan
9:48 PM
@egreg Il est un mauvais garçon. :P
 
@kan Garçon? ;-)
 
kan
@egreg homme? :)
@JosephWright Fake French. :)
 
@kan Je parle français comme une vache espagnole.
 
kan
However, la vache is "the cow". :-)
 
@kan Indeed
 
kan
9:50 PM
@egreg Pardon me! I am not an expert.
Hah, gotcha!
 
@kan Somebody says this is a corruption of “un basque l'espagnol”, because basques are known not to speak good Spanish.
 
kan
Hmm...
So, no takers for learning French with me? :P
anyway, I had duolingo in mind.
Do checkout if you have time.
 
Dan
@JosephWright THANKS! I will give it a shot and comment as to how it works out. Thanks again,
 
 
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11:24 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Really nice answer on the PQ trees question. I messed around with it when it first appeared, but it was a harder problem than it looked initially.
 
@AlanMunn :) forest is great and annoying at the same time …
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel It is. I haven't explored its capabilities too much, and for the trees I actually use regularly, tikz-qtree is more than sufficient.
 
@AlanMunn To be honest, I don't use trees really. Neither for linguistics nor anything else ...
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel You're just addicted to TikZ. :)
 
@AlanMunn Guilty as charged. :)
 
11:32 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel What's your area of research?
 
@AlanMunn None that is related to TeX, TikZ or diagrams really. I am a student of Railway (System) Engineering (there is no English equivalent for the very specific title of my course).
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Wow. That's a pretty specialized field. But quite important in some parts of the world (not in the US, I think.)
So how did you get into LaTeX?
 
@AlanMunn Good question! I never needed to create complex or sophisticated documents but I thought the system itself (visible markup) and the great typographical output (justification/hyphenation) is something I want to do.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Well we're glad! You've made many excellent contributions to the site.
 
So, one day, I want to the library, got myself a book about LaTeX (Kopka I think) and started to read. Finding TeX.sx though realy helped understanding things.
@AlanMunn Thanks, I hope to have made some questioners happy. :)
 
11:47 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes, the Kopka book is a classic, although now hopelessly out of date. And yes, the site is great for increasing one's understanding, either by reading answers or answering things yourself.
 
@AlanMunn I can't really remember when I started, sometime between 2008 and 2010 I guess, but I found the site not before last year. (Not that I looked for it …)
@AlanMunn Yes, sites like this help tremendously. It's a wonder I survived so long without that understanding. ;) There are some embarrassing stories about the time before.
See also the context o this comment:
Mar 30 at 6:42, by Qrrbrbirlbel
I remember seeing a \def somewhere in TikZ code and wondered “Interesting, I can define constants in TikZ.”
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Haha. So is your next task to tackle LaTeX3 code?
 
@AlanMunn That would be nice but I think I will need some good introduction/summaries. I don't know where to start, and there are so many l3... (sub) packages I wouldn't know where to start.
 

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