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user19161
5:48 AM
@PauloCereda I was in a Mac shop that day and the seller told me that Macs don't freeze. At that moment, the Mac on display chose to freeze...
 
9:38 AM
so.... is @egreg going to ask question number 22222 ?
 
Off-topic???:
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Q: FontLab Studio and font editing

FormlessCloudI trying to editing some font using FontLab Studio 5.1 but when i have finished and i save the work, one time that i have close the program and i try to reopen the .otf file, it is remained at the older version without any change. Is Python needed?

But they're obviously a fellow-typographer; how do we help best?
 
9:57 AM
@Brent.Longborough I'd agree, looks OT to me
 
10:56 AM
@Brent.Longborough I voted for OT
@DavidCarlisle I'll leave the pleasure to you. I'm waiting for question 32768
 
11:19 AM
Just joking, of course. :)
 
Boom. 20k. Bring on the new privileges!
 
@Seamus Congratulations! Paulo's credit card number will arrive soon.
 
@JasperLoy Maybe the seller wanted to make a point that Macs can do anything, including freezing. :P
@Seamus Yay, congrats! :)
 
11:34 AM
@PauloCereda Macs never freeze. Sometimes they take a day off.
 
@egreg Oh my bad. :) I'm still a newbie. :)
 
@PauloCereda Don't forget to send Seamus your credit card number!
 
@egreg Sure! :)
 
12:18 PM
@JosephWright I read the update announcement; does this mean that the leftmost item in a sequence has index 1? This would break much code around.
 
@egreg That is the case, after some internal discussion. Sorry for the breaking change, but we decided that index-from-zero was the wrong choice.
@egreg At present, the \seq_item:Nn function is still experimental
 
@JosephWright :(
 
@egreg We know that there will have to be refinements as the code is used. It's impossible to get everything right first time.
For example, I'm now using the coffin code to reimplement LaTeX2e's \savebox, etc., and have found some issues
 
@JosephWright What are the commands affected?
 
Guys, I will try to answer the "cute document" question. You wanna see my duck drawing? :)
 
12:25 PM
@egreg \<thing>_item:Nn (or similar), \l_keys_choice_int
 
12:37 PM
I've voted for reopening: the reference to "Symbols" is not sufficient, in this case. And Ulrike's answer can be improved very much
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Q: Horn accent in Latex

AugustineLee Possible Duplicate: How to look up a symbol? Sorry if the question is so trivia. Ive just started using Latex couple of weeks ago and till now it's so new to me. I was trying to finish my name in a report where it's required to type an diacritic mark Horn in the document (something suc...

 
@egreg Voted. :)
This is possibly the best duck ever drawn in the history of duck drawings. :)
 
Where is the duck ? ;)
 
o.O
/cries :P
 
@egreg If you include vntex package you get the OPs symbols with no obvious problems.
 
12:54 PM
@percusse Only if you switch to Vietnamese. Just four lines make available the glyphs without loading a new package and doing contorted input.
 
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{vntex}
\begin{document}
\OHORN
\end{document}
Maybe I'm missing the point but I don't switch to vietnamese in this example.
 
Morning!
I just used latex to mean something other then LaTeX on stack exchange for the first time!
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Q: What type of gloves for various solvents?

CanageekI know that standard latex and nitrile gloves don't stop common organic solvents such as DCM and acetone. However, I was reading a Reddit thread and there were comments that if you are coming into contact with solvents you are just wearing the wrong type of gloves. In a non-manufacturer specific ...

 
@percusse Try adding \tableofcontents and you'll see. :) vntex is for typesetting only in Vietnamese.
 
@PauloCereda Well, atleast it is yellow.
 
@N3buchadnezzar :)
 
12:59 PM
=)
 
@egreg Ok I see. Voted.
 
@percusse Thou shant question Lord egregs words
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@Canageek Awesome! I wonder if you wrote LaTeX in the first try (I always do that!). :)
 
@PauloCereda Nah, I started to go for the capital L then stopped myself.
 
@N3buchadnezzar I'll see you in hell :)
 
1:00 PM
@Canageek hehe :)
 
@PauloCereda I do wish latex worked better, so much more comfortable then nitrile.
 
One vote for reopening missing.
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Q: Horn accent in Latex

AugustineLee Possible Duplicate: How to look up a symbol? Sorry if the question is so trivia. Ive just started using Latex couple of weeks ago and till now it's so new to me. I was trying to finish my name in a report where it's required to type an diacritic mark Horn in the document (something suc...

 
1:22 PM
@egreg done. (ps you need to act quickly if you change your mind on 22222)
 
@DavidCarlisle You have to hurry up!
 
user19161
@PauloCereda What made you get a Mac? You don't like Windows or Linux?
 
2:17 PM
@JasperLoy To be honest, the hardware specs from other vendors (HP, Dell, Lenovo) were very poor with a very expensive price. I'm ok with Mac, Linux and Windows, but the Apple hardware was tempting because it had everything I was looking for (great specs, a nice design and awesome performance). I have an old MacBook and it still works better than one of my most recent notebooks. >>
>> I thought of customizing the specs I wanted, but good hardware stuff is very hard to find here in Brazil, besides of also being very expensive. So Apple was the best option I have - and I love the underlying DarwinOS in MacOS. :)
 
2:40 PM
@JasperLoy He succumbed to peer pressure. :)
 
@AlanMunn That too. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo. I noticed I was suggested for a TeXtalk interview, but I was wondering if the group could interview Philip Kime (PLK) instead. biblatex 2.0 was recently uploaded to CTAN. He's done a lot of great work getting this release together.
 
@Audrey +1
 
@PauloCereda I've already suggested this idea to him via email. We'd just need to arrange a time with him.
 
2:57 PM
@Audrey Hi Audrey! :) Sure! We can interview him. :) We are waiting for Aditya to pick a date, but I don't think there would be a problem to reschedule the interviews. :)
 
Great. I'll let him know.
 
@Audrey :)
 
@egreg all this squabbling now we've both missed the chance. I still hold you to asking question 2^{15} though,
@PauloCereda while rescheduling don't forget to make room for chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5389374#5389374
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh. :) Don't worry, I'll choose a nice date. :)
 
@Audrey Sounds good: once we have a date I'll add it to the community board
 
3:12 PM
@JosephWright: we could talk with Aditya too. :)
LOL
 
PLK
3:32 PM
Audrey just pointed me over here ...
 
@PLK Hi! :)
 
@PLK Hello
 
PLK
Greetings, I believe this is the first time I've done this chat thing
 
It is fairly simple =)
 
user19161
3:35 PM
I realized I am now the 11th most talkative person on SE.
 
@JosephWright: any idea for scheduling the interviews? :)
 
No particular rules, just do not mentions Paulo`s "duck".
 
@N3buchadnezzar My poor duck. :)
 
user19161
@PauloCereda Do you really have a duck?
 
@PauloCereda Not really
 
3:36 PM
@JasperLoy The one I drew. :)
 
user19161
@PauloCereda Oh, I was thinking of either a duck pet or a toy duck that you use in your bath, like Mr Bean. :-)
 
@JasperLoy hehe :) I'd like to have a real duck pet, but I have no place to put him. :)
 
PLK
If it helps, I am in Switzerland, CET
 
@PLK: We would love to interview you. :) Currently, we have one interview on hold (Aditya, our resident ConTeXt expert), but there's no date yet. We will try to contact him and pick a date. Then I think we can schedule the next interview with you. :) Of if Aditya wants to change the order (you first, then him), it's OK with us. :) @JosephWright: sounds ok? :)
 
PLK
@PauloCereda: Fine, you can just mail me when you have an idea of the date - evenings are best
 
3:45 PM
@PLK Thank you very much. :) Feel free to choose the best day and time, we are very flexible. :)
 
user19161
@PauloCereda Rather, you are very flexible!
 
@JasperLoy GMT -3 FTW. :D
 
PLK
@PauloCereda: Let's say a Monday or Tuesday at 8pm CET?
 
@PauloCereda Fine
 
4:04 PM
@PLK Great! :)
 
4:15 PM
Maybe it is just my poor math skills or maybe it would make sense to write a question. I want to plot a function with conditional statements (or whatever they are called), e.g. those that you would write with `cases` macros such as f = bla if x => 1 and bla2 if x < 1. Are there any package that can plot such functions? I found sgn in gnuplot which is defined as
sgn(x) 1 if x > 0, -1 if x < 0, 0 if x=0
 
@N.N. I think there is a pgfplots-question about that. I'll search a little.
 
@TorbjørnT. Cheers
 
@N.N. There is
Jake or Gill posted an answer to a question like that recently
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A: What is the clearest way to graph a piecewise function?

Peter GrillIf you are using pgfplots you can use pgfmathdeclarefunction to specify the function and then use it the same way you would just a built in function. You can then plot is all at once if you want the end points connected, or plot each section separately: References: Defining a Piecewise Funct...

@N.N. Here ya go =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Thank you
 
user19161
4:33 PM
@N.N. Hey have not seen you in chat for long! You are still the white square!
 
@PLK So which day should I schedule in the chat room and community board?
 
@MarcoDaniel did you see that mdframed/longtable question? Any chance of you re-inserting LT headers when doing a vsplit? (it might help if I restructured things a bit differently in LT which I was thinking of doing so things worked better (or at all) in multicol or minipage etc...
 
@JosephWright What if we try to schedule with Aditya first?
 
@PauloCereda Fine with me: I just do the admin here :-)
 
@JosephWright :)
@Aditya: could we pick a date for your interview? :) Feel free to pick any date and time. :)
 
5:08 PM
congrats on the nice answer badge
 
5:21 PM
@JasperLoy Yes, it has been a while since was here
 
5:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hi. No I didn't see it. I am going to search now.
 
Ah, I don't think it matters which mdframed option you use the heading goes from later pages unconditionally Sorry I didn't notice that in my answer. See if I can summon @MarcoDaniel As far as I can see mdframed uses vsplit to split the page "by hand" rather than relying on the output routine to do it. Thus LTs output routine never gets invoked to re-insert the heading. mdframed could probably detect its splitting a longtable and insert the head....... — David Carlisle yesterday
 
@DavidCarlisle I know that longtable patches the output of 255. I am not familiar with this method and I can't understand your great package.
 
6:15 PM
@MarcoDaniel if youre using vsplit you wouldn't use that bit of LT but what you could do having split is put \LT@head@box at the top of the split box so the table head restarts, perhaps:-=)
 
 
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7:59 PM
So, I found an apartment today, where I will move in on 1st August
just 500m away from work
 
@MartinScharrer Yay! :)
@egreg: rep cap for me today! :) Still 146 days to go. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'll celebrate when I won't reach it for the first time after Dec. 6. :)
 
@egreg Oh! :) Vacation? :)
 
@PauloCereda That will be the day, probably. :)
 
@egreg :)
 
8:07 PM
@PauloCereda Yay
 
@JosephWright :) It's a rare event. :)
@JosephWright I think so. :)
 
8:25 PM
@JosephWright Voted
 
Hi folks.
 
@KannappanSampath Hello
 
@JosephWright How are you doing, Joseph?
 
@KannappanSampath Fine thanks. Writing some LaTeX3 code :-)
 
@JosephWright Interesting.
 
@KannappanSampath Not massively, but useful. I'm working on reimplementing LaTeX2e's \makebox and so on
 
@JosephWright Will you allow a "key-value" syntax?
 
@JosephWright I see. But, forgive my ignorance, I am unaware of these things. While I know they exist, I don't know why they exist and how to use them.
 
@JosephWright good luck, I think I first became aware of how many people used latex when we put out one of the early 2e releases with an \fbox that didn't work (because I'd messed it up doing colour stuff I think)
 
@KannappanSampath This is very much for testing by a small group, at the moment
@DavidCarlisle Haven't got anywhere near \fbox yet: various issues have come up with the simpler commands :-)
@egreg First I'm working out how to implement the syntax exactly as in LaTeX: A Document Preparation System
 
8:43 PM
@JosephWright Can you take a look the suggested edit for the convert TeX to MSWord question. I'm inclined to reject it, but I see what the editor is doing, given what the OP did to the question. What do you think?
 
@egreg Not sure if key-value helps much here: a bit XML-like. One of the still-undecided questions is how to deal with this entire area (see the two approaches in xcoffins, for example)
@AlanMunn I see what you mean: better as a comment, perhaps?
\DeclareDocumentCommand { \makebox }
{ o > { \SplitArgument { 1 } { , } } d ( ) O { c } +m }
:-)
 
@JosephWright Well, the fact that the OP has made comments on all the other answers, fair is fair, I guess. I don't like that original decision, but now that it's been made, maybe chandra's edit is appropriate.
 
@AlanMunn Hmm, but they are the OPs comments
 
@DavidCarlisle This song is already in my playlist. :)
 
@JosephWright Shouldn't the first o be after the d()?
 
8:48 PM
@JosephWright: any TUG news? :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, so maybe that's the best reason for turning the edit into a comment. (Or even adding it to chandra's original answer.)
 
@PauloCereda No, nothing :(
 
@PauloCereda I hope @egreg doesn't see that comment. Martin has a long walk every day to work, but at least he can hum the tune...
 
@JosephWright It seems that other than typos and English we should generally discourage substantive edits to questions. Answers are a different matter.
 
@egreg No, I don't think so. If you go for > { \SplitArgument { 1 } { , } } d ( ) o O { c } +m then how do you cleanly handle the second optional argument for the picture syntax?
@AlanMunn Yup
 
8:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think Martin meant meter, not mile. :P
Royale with cheese. :)
 
@PauloCereda You do know why you're getting all the duck grief, don't you? Your duck's beak is too pointy for our understanding of what a duck is. It's a kind of Frankenduck.
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@AlanMunn I've rejected
 
@JosephWright Ok. That was my first inclination.
 
@PauloCereda Nah I'm sure he meant proper Imperial units none of this siunitx nonsense
 
@egreg This is one of the reasons for taking on ltboxes: there are some tricky issues we need to sort out
 
8:51 PM
@AlanMunn Hey that's bullying! :)
 
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Q: How to typeset imperial/US customary units, especially in combination with SI/metric units

Jan HlavacekI am just working on a document (a series of exercises for one of my classes), which uses both the SI and US customary unit systems (different exercises use different systems). I am trying to typeset the units in a consistent way. I am using the excellent siunitx package, and add the US units m...

 
@PauloCereda What, something to measure gas? (meter = a measuring device, metre = a length defined by the BIPM :-)
 
@JosephWright Oh! My bad. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's a very cute bird, but decidedly unducklike.
@PauloCereda Now I hear the crowd chanting "USA, USA...".
 
@PauloCereda It's OK: people in the US use 'meter' incorrectly :-) That's why siunitx recognises it as a synonym for metre
 
8:54 PM
@AlanMunn I blame my poor drawing skills. :)
@AlanMunn LOL
 
Can someone enlighten me on why one would like to use ConTeXt?
 
@PauloCereda Not your poor ornithological ones?
 
It is a request: may be someone could write a blog post for greater benefit.
 
@KannappanSampath Better for setting up 'non-standard' layouts. LaTeX's kernel is far too inflexible in this regard, with many hard-coded decisions. Supports XML better. ...
 
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Q: Why should I be interested in ConTeXt?

Matthew LeingangIn the spirit of a free-form Friday on StackOverflow, I'd like to know if I should consider learning ConTeXt. What got me into LaTeX way back in 1994 was having structural markup that made longer documents easier to write. What got me into XeTeX was being able to use my Mac's fonts just like I ...

 
8:56 PM
@KannappanSampath 'cause it's quite good at what it does, and the documents don't end up looking like everyone else's article
 
@AlanMunn That too. :)
 
@KannappanSampath If you look at many of a aditya's answers you'll get some sense of why. Also, his blog has some interesting stuff on it too.
 
Oh, thanks a lot people.
 
@KannappanSampath We will interview one of our ConTeXt experts (Aditya) soon. :)
 
I have enough to read up from now.
@PauloCereda Looking forward to it. :)
 
9:01 PM
@AlanMunn: I borrowed my dad's "Aves brasileiras" guide and found a ton of birds from the "duck family". I must confess my "duck" might be a distant cousin. :)
 
@PauloCereda Pato é pato, marreco é marreco.
 
Cristina knows this song for sure. :)
Every Saturday I sing this song for children during catechesis.
 
9:17 PM
Paulo your answer sure is racking up votes, congratulations!
 
@N3buchadnezzar Thanks. :) I'm not sure if I deserve those votes. :)
 
I would like the yoshi tounge macro though
Änd if you have more than ten chapters, the flowers could be a problem.
Otherwise it is really cute.
 
@N3buchadnezzar We could ask Jake. :)
@N3buchadnezzar Ah yes. :) I was thinking of another approach: the flower growing while the chapters advance. :)
 
@PauloCereda You absolutely do! That's such a good answer to show that LaTeX is not only good for academic texts. You really are quite the wizard!
 
@Jake And his yellow dog is really cool as well =) He has quite the drawing talents.
 
9:32 PM
@Jake Thanks. :) I'm far from being a wizard though. :) When we came up with the Mario-based chapter styles and the Yoshi macro, I think we somehow realized that LaTeX can be used for nearly everything. I think children books can be a nice example where we can combine cute elements with great typography. My drawing skills are not so good, but I hope the idea can flourish. :) I was thinking of a "sun" containing the page number in the margin. :)
@N3buchadnezzar LOL you made me spill my Pepsi. :P
 
@N3buchadnezzar What dog? There's a kitten!
 
@egreg LOL
 
@egreg Are you sure you're not switching your specialty to category theory? You seem to be very sure about what is and isn't in a category. First music, now dogs and cats.
 
@PauloCereda ^^
 
@N3buchadnezzar Do you know what 'barf' means in English?
 
9:42 PM
@N3buchadnezzar LOL
 
@AlanMunn I am quite sure it could have several meanings..
bark + arf = barf..
 
@N3buchadnezzar Only one that I know of. It just goes to show that onomatopoeia doesn't really mean just what it sounds like. :)
 
According to wikipedia it is also a superhero half-man and half-dawg.
 
@N3buchadnezzar "Spaceballs"! :)
His name was chosen just because of the word's meaning. :)
 
Barfman - Brings yesterdays dinner to little children in the form of rainbows
 
9:54 PM
"This worked well, but it seems complex... is there no "simpler" solution?" Yes, wait until @Jake answers. :)
 
@AlanMunn we should make the OP study both answers with \tracingall turned on, then see which seems the more complex
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL.
 
@DavidCarlisle You are mean. :D
 
@AlanMunn well that's pretty much how I answer any tikz question, so it's not that mean,
I hear tikz has a manual but I've never seen it...
 
@DavidCarlisle So you're an average user then. :)
 
9:59 PM
It is like saying: "Well technically his answer is easier, but that lad cheated; he has used this bloody package before! Back in the days we had no posh \pgfplotsinvokeforeach command."
 
@N3buchadnezzar yes
 
29 upvotes for the "duck/dog/kitten/werewolf" answer!
 
@PauloCereda dog*
 
@N3buchadnezzar fixed. :)
 
I laughed, luckily I was not drinking =)
 
10:23 PM
Is it safe to use \AtEndDocument{\immediate\write18{cp -p \jobname.pdf ../.}}? Just want to make sure that there is not a case where something still needs to be shipped out? This seems to do what I want in the small test case.
 
@PeterGrill no, I would guess. I don't think there is any guarantee that the file is on the file system complete by that point, what with IO buffering in the application or at the system level or whatever.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah I was afraid of some sort lurking issue like that...
 
@PeterGrill what's wrong with pdflatex file;cp file.pdf .. :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I was going to add a flag to the file for the case where it is still begin worked on, so then it would not execute the copy in that case to the distribution directory.
but still produce an output in the working directory so that I can review
 
@PeterGrill If you are not too rude about his platypus @PauloCereda will supply you with a conditional arara rule so you could still control it from the file...
 
10:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle Hmmm... That seems like a good idea. I haven't uses arara yet.
 
@PeterGrill Neither have I:-)
 
@N3buchadnezzar If that's an English question I defer to @AlanMunn
 
10:49 PM
@DavidCarlisle It's a macaw. :)
@PeterGrill We can write a rule to copy the generated .pdf.
 

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