Ah, done charging.

I've been playing around, and there's only one thing I don't like: There are no decent free apps.

Not even a calculator for free!

I might just have to root this.

but, on the whole an incredible upgrade over the Kindle!

Not an iPad, but for the money not bad at all.

what gadget's this?

a Nook ereader.

basically an Android tablet, but optimized for books.

yeah, the nooks are neat

e-ink or color?

I used to think I wouldn't ever get an e-reader, but I like!

the touch screen e-ink nook came out a few months after i got my kindle and i almost kicked a baby panda

I got the color one.

ah, my sister has that one and swears by it

but i love e-ink so hard i think i could marry it

@AbbyTMillerΨ Yeah, this one came out a little after I got the Kindle.

E-ink is great, but the color screen is actually nicer than I thought. Very, very, very bright.

I have a Kindle. It's the B&W variety, but I also have a free kindle download to my laptop, so I have color on that.

i love, love, love my kindle. the only thing i don't like about it is how much space the hardware keyboard takes up, especially when compared with how often i use it (once a month or so - i download a bunch of books at a time and then forget about it)

so the touch screen nook is right up my alley, AND in my price range (considering my kindle was a gift), but now i have invested so much time and money in building up a kindle library - there's very little incentive for me to move over

I like the idea of a touch screen, though I haven't tried one.

It takes some getting used to, but I'm liking it.

There are a whole bunch of the classics available online now too - for free!

(sorry for bad quality, taken with iSight)

So, that's a page with fixed-with font and an image.

And it's all there!

Prettily.

nice!

wow, that's quite a regression.

Switch your ringer to silent, use the volume controls...

this appears to affect third party apps too. I turned on a third-party media app, turned the ringer to silent, and it replaced the volume level with "No volume available"

oops :/.

that's trippy

terminal.app put me in /var/log when I opened a new window/new tab

that must have been a folder I was in pre-lion

ISLAND 10

you are a legend

@AbbyTMillerΨ I also probably play it way too much

but yeah, island 10 has been my goal for a long time, and I finally got there

I got an answer to my question, but it says I have to log in to vote. Aren't I logged in? apple.stackexchange.com/questions/19874/…

@KyleCronin i used to play way more, but i got frustrated because i only need one more achievement and i can't get it.

@SpareOom i'm not sure, but it may be because you need 15 rep to vote, even on your own question

@SpareOom but you can click the green checkmark next to the answer if you think it's the best or most correct answer (or if the answer's tips worked for you)

Will I even be able to choose an answer?

Oh, ok.

I just figured it wouldn't let me do that either. Done, then.

Bye folks. Thanks so much.

but asking questions and selecting answers is the surefire way to build up the 15 rep that'll let you vote

no problem! have a good night!

Just made a TextExpander snippet: faqlink

I'm gradually putting all my stock moderation posts in there for easy access.

@AbbyTMillerΨ what's the achievement?

@KyleCronin going through island 4 in fever mode the whole way

@AbbyTMillerΨ yeah, that's the toughest one

I did it twice on my iPad a few months back

I actually was able to do it only recently on my iPhone

but it's a grand total of 3 times

i can never quite stick the landing onto the island

yeah that's the trickiest part

you really have to come down very straight but just at the right moment

it's great to finally meet another Tiny Wings fan

yeah! i love the bejesus out of this game

it's just so cute and well done and i love the music and the colors and and and

yeah, it's very, very well done

the music is good, but I've had it turned off for a while

I like to listen to podcasts while playing instead

it's very cathartic

and it makes playing iPhone games mildly educational (depending on what you're listening to)

yeah that too

some people always have to be playing with a pen or something

they need to occupy part of their brain

I think playing Tiny Wings is like that

also, driving

right, because it's not exactly mentally taxing

I like to play podcasts while driving and playing Tiny Wings

if only i could text, drive, and play tiny wings all at the same time!

:P

that would be nice

I'm curious, how did you get assigned us here at Ask Different?

ok, i'm off to bed

you seem to fit in well

ok

somewhat randomly

joel was like "here are 6 sites, what do you guys want"

and i was like "well, i could do gaming, or apple, or photo... i know nothing about android... so..."

and then others picked theirs based on expertise and knowing people and stuff, and i ended up with this lot :)

well I'm glad we got you

i'm glad i ended up here!

how did Joel decide which sites to start with?

i'm not sure exactly, but as far as i know he was looking for sites that were large-ish to begin with, but had a lot of expansion potential

so sort of the middling sites activity-wise that are doing pretty well on their own, but could still benefit from a push to make them into something larger

yeah I'd say we've expanded a lot in the last two weeks

it's nice to be getting attention

and the traffic figures show that it's working

how much longer until the team is assigned another round of sites?

i think we have lion and gruber and other tactics that predate our involvement to thank for that so far, but we'll see if we can keep up the expansion!

yeah, the real trick is to keep it going

i think the goal eventually is for us to be managing a few at a time. so i'll spend about a month getting some things on Ask Different moving forward, and then keep a finger in that pot while starting a push on some new site

ok, that sounds about right

well, I won't keep you any longer

no worries :) i like answering these sorts of questions

you seem to keep odd hours too - has your job become your life now? :)

haha, sort of... i do work-type-SE-related stuff during the day, but i now use my work account where i used to use a personal one for just asking questions and hanging out and such. so things are starting to... merge.

have you merged in your personal account yet, or are you keeping them separate?

i'm keeping them separate. i didn't have any spectacular rep or answers on there i wanted to keep anyway, it was more of a lurking account

ah ok

but i have been pulled out from the shadows and i lurk no longer

or something

did you lurk here, or on other sites?

i lurked mostly on cooking and scifi, solved a problem or two with superuser sometimes

never really ventured into any metas

ok, to bed with me for real this time!

have a nice night - see you tomorrow

night

In Tavern on the Meta it was suggested that I should gain opinion from Ask Different Chat on the following:

lack of explanation when an @address is removed without explanation from a comment. My comment under meta.stackoverflow.com/q/97448/166799 distinguishes between visibly helping the user to learn and lack of learning (confusion) when something is completely invisible without explanation. Chat in the Tavern: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/690582#690582

I didn't know @'s ever did anything meaningful except in chat.

Frankly I've always thought @username is atrociously ugly. Even worse when people enunciate it in speech.

@KyleCronin NICE.

@GrahamPerrin So, if I understand correctly, you're requesting that a message be displayed when some @user text is automatically pruned out?

@KyleCronin Woah! 61s of fever - isn't that like two or more whole islands?

@Nathan my thoughts as a relative newcomer: a simple explanation at the moment of pruning would be nicest. A further improvement to the help (which I understand is already improved) would also be good. As I'm at the tail end of a misunderstanding — not realising that a commenter was also a poster (cross reference one of those blurred screenshots) — I should probably step back for a few days, maybe see it in a new light. Sound sensible?

@Nathan my actual train of thoughts when pruning occurred, repeatedly: (1) I mistyped, so I focused on, selected then copied the name of the commenter, tried again. Another pruning so my second thought, (2) maybe the commenter is experimenting with a hidden or special character (as we see done for CHAOS) and the hidden or special character causes an addressing failure in comments.

Third thought, (3) the username is unusually short so I looked (not for the first time) at the additional help and reassured myself that a three character username is OK. Tried again, another pruning.

My nth attempt was to put the commenters name in the midst of my comment (not at the beginning) without the @ sign, not expecting it to generate an alert for Lri but at least it was visible that I was addressing someone.

Ahh, I totally see how that's confusing.

Joining Ask Different around the same time as people are announcing their presence with hidden characters played a strong part in me wondering what was wrong.

@Nathan no problem :-)

Anyway, pruning is a minor issue now that I understand what's going on.

I'm confused what @ does

so I totally missed whatever education was supposed to be delivered when I use it :-)

especially how I'm supposed to handle spaces

or special characters.

twitter is my only experience so I expect a short name to be used...

@bmike It's pretty tolerant there. Usually, just put in the first thing before the space. So, you could message Graham with @Graham

So it won't spam "graham the great" since that user wasn't on the thread?

Yup.

Cool. I tried that but had no feedback it matches - so I then tried all sorts of - and _ and whatever which probably broke the notifications for them in hindsight.

Testing mobile chat from the Nook.

@Nathan Hey everyone - we have a chat Nookie!

(back to the @ ignorance)

can I @ invite someone to chat? (specifically - I flagged the first question someone asked and they just commented. I wanted to engage them here to talk over how to make it better in real time

@bmike If you use two at-signs, you can select any user and ping them from this room.

is it as simple as asking @udo to come here

@@udo - I'd love to help re-write your Air and Final Cut question

@bmike i think they will only get a notification if they are or were recently in the chat

@AbbyTMillerΨ I've struggled with the "stack way" to engage people in dialog

@bmike Try using the little popup; I think that's more reliable.

especially new people

@Nathan You'll have to hold my hand - I don't know of pop ups

Once you type the double-at, that comes up.

@@ brings nothing for me

I'm on safari 5.1

Hmm.

and I roll with block pop up windows.

lemme try disabling that

Works on 5.1 for me.

@bmike Shouldn't matter, it's just a div.

@@ is a no go for me. I wonder what else I'm missing on this site that uses pop ups.

Sounds like a bug report for mso.

I can ping him for you if you want.

I'd be happy to get into debug and work with mso

Sounds good.

Do you want me to message Udo for you in the mean time?

I'd love a little more functionality here - especially if I could reduce the comment chatter by encouraging / inviting people here to chat

please

yes please - message udo for me

udo mso udo

@udo We'd like to help you rewrite your Air and Final Cut question.

(my auto correct and bad spelling is hilarious right about now)

Where 9067 is the user's id

@@4205@apple.stackexchange.com should message nathan if my test works

@@4205@apple.stackexchange.com should be a second test

oops - apparently people have different numbers on different sites.

I'm 2220

@@2220@apple.stackexchange.com hello nathan!

Hmm. Not expanding for you.

nope

dead as a door nail

Are you using any userscripts/extensions?

nothing

one password is the only extension in safari

What happens if you use Chrome?

brb

chromified

@Nathan the @@ pop up worked

I think - as it predicted things

Hmm. Sounds like a good mso post.

@@2200@apple.stackexchange.com message test from chrome

Nerp.

2220

I feel all hur durr durr durr

@@2220@apple.stackexchange.com i might finally get this thing working

or not

What happens if you use the popup?

@Nathan

Tada

Well, let me try that syntax.

@bmike message test from nathan

Yep, expanded when I typed it out.

doink sound

I'm only getting a pop up for people that were in this chat lately

Does it look like the screencap I posted?

no - just the name

I'm struggling to upload a picture here.

do I post it to the web first?

and drag the url?

There should be an upload... button next to the text box.

That also doesn't work for me in safari

back to chrome now

Strange. You should get a big one like I posted when you do a double-at.

In all the alphabet @@[a-z] i only get a small one name completion. You, me abby, vxjason, dori, kyle and graham

That big one should pop up as soon as you type two ats.

nothing after two ats

starting off the chat

or in the middle of a text

and I'm in chrome too

now

Now this is weird. Back in safari - I now get a different behavior than before. @@ shows the short list of people recently in the chat when several tries before - nothing.

I think I need a different @@

Nathan, are you sure the @@ thing isn't a mod feature?

I can @@, but it only shows the current list of people in chat.

And suddenly it's no longer working for me.

i can @@. i'm a temporary mod. might be a mod feature.

@bmike "1Password" :)

My point exactly, Abby.

I believe than I've noticed that a ♦ on any site gets general privileges on things like chat.

I don't know how I know this, however :).

I really wish those HTML entities would render :/.

@Nathan So wait a second. You have to look up the ID of a user in order for that window to be any bit useful for someone who hasn't used SE Chat?

@VxJasonxV that seems...... fidgety.

My point exactly.

(Wow, Déjà Vu...)

i'm full of exact points?

apparently?

Nothing wrong with that :).

in the figurative sense, of course. if we were being literal, that sounds painful :(.

@VxJasonxV i knew i shouldn't have eaten all those anemones.

@AbbyTMillerΨ It's incredibly finicky for me.

Sometimes @@ works - most of the time it doesn't work - especially not working in safari

@n

yikes - I'm going to go get some food

@see @you @all @later

@later @gator

@Nathan no response here either to @@

Safari 5.1 (7534.48.3) in 10.7 (Build 11A511). If it helps to think obliquely, I also get a bleep when I command-c after selecting any text; no copy, and the selection is lost.

typing @@N offers Nathan then (IRC-like) keying tab accepts the offer and addresses @Nathan with one @

Man, dead chat today (relative to yesterday at least).

dead afternoon, sure

Well, this morning was just me confusing everyone by being wrong.

you weren't wrong, you just aren't aware of what us non-♦ can do

I wasn't really here (in chat) very long before being elected, so I guess that makes sense.

I don't think Chat was here before the election.

Might be wrong.

Well, that'd explain it.

this looks pretty slick: chocolatapp.com

Nice.

That "jump to definition" tool looks really nice!

I've never seen that before.

yeah, it's new

and in alpha testing

I like trying out new text editors

Kod, Sublime Text, BBEdit/TextWrangler, TextMate

I think I've even run Gedit on my Mac before

emacs

Kod gets on my nerves. Though the instant-updating CSS rules are pretty damn slick.

(No, I don't remember why Kod gets on my nerves.)

Kod is very alpha

it's got promise, but it's far from useable

+1

wow, Kod and Sublime Text look very similar