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JohnGB
JohnGB
09:45
@NathanLucy Design thinking is something that at least partly falls under the UX umbrella, but not entirely. So I'm not sure how that would be treated on SE.
Good Monday everyone.
trlkly
trlkly
10:32
@JohnGB re:feminism Not much to talk about. You can leave the feminism part in, but I still think you should A/B testing in your answer, and not just the comments. Comments are disposable, after all.
JohnGB
JohnGB
Hi @trlkly
trlkly
trlkly
@JohnGB that is, "should mention"
JohnGB
JohnGB
Fair enough, but I don't really want to get into questions about that data as it's not public.
trlkly
trlkly
I can understand that. I just think mentioning that it's your own experience from A/B testing and not just something you "noticed" makes it better.
That's what'll set off the, shall we say, less moderate feminists.
JohnGB
JohnGB
In general though, I will admit that we need more of a watchdog in terms of making the site more female friendly. I'm not sure what the reason is, but it's by and large men on here, which isn't representative of the numbers in the UX field.
@trlkly That's a fair point.
I'll update it.
trlkly
trlkly
10:37
I think it's a leftover of the initial site of stack overflow, as programming is more male.
JohnGB
JohnGB
Most of the users on this site have almost no presence on SO though, so I'm not sure if I agree with that.
Maybe it's about men being more competitive and working for points etc. seems to fit into our psyche more.
But then how do we change that?
trlkly
trlkly
That's exactly what I was about to type. And I don't know.
JohnGB
JohnGB
You can't be a "true" feminist then if you don't know :P
trlkly
trlkly
I am a dude myself, though I am someone who is not big on points as much. Reddit, of all things, turned me around a bit.
JohnGB
JohnGB
Sorry, bad jibe at some of the militant feminists I've had to deal with.
Reddit is just silly.
Karma that is. I think on the SE sites, it's a lot more earned.
Also the 200 normal points a day cap makes you work for it over time.
trlkly
trlkly
10:42
Yeah, I know. But I kinda appreciate just the near immediate feedback, even if it is more based on whether people like it instead of any actual quality.
And I do think it works okay as a sorting algorithm
For forums, at least.
JohnGB
JohnGB
But it encourages reposts too much.
trlkly
trlkly
Yeah, that's something I've thought about trying to fix, too, but I'm not a UX expert of any sort.
For fun, of course, not like they'd listen to me.
JohnGB
JohnGB
:)
trlkly
trlkly
My basic idea was just at least having a way to notice the exact same image has been posted again, and give some but not as much karma, and give karma back to the original poster, too.
Problem is, people love their karma so much that I'm sure even that would be worked around with newly compressed files or just moving away from images to video.
JohnGB
JohnGB
Yup, also true
trlkly
trlkly
10:47
Have you thought about it?
JohnGB
JohnGB
I have, but I haven't come up with any solution
Maybe there should be a separate flag to say "repost"
and if enough people flag as a repost, then you don't get any more karma for it.
But I'm happy to leave Reddit to do their thing.
trlkly
trlkly
Well, I think reposts do have some value, as it does often expose the content to new people. Reposts do get upvoted after all, implying a lot of people haven't seen it. And I know all but a handful of times I had never seen the repost before.
And, yeah, I know reddit will handle their own stuff. I just thought it was interesting to ask someone who seems to be in the UX field.
JohnGB
JohnGB
It's an interesting question in general, but not one with an easy answer
The only way to really know if a suggestion is workable is to test it, and that's never going to happen on Reddit.
Can you imagine the drama if they changed the system?!
I almost want them to just to see the drama unfold :)
trlkly
trlkly
It'd be worth it for the sudden switch in opinions on reposts alone!
Do all forums become little-c conservative in that way--where all change is bad?
I notice it on another forum I frequent.
Oops, it's past the hour here. I need to probably wrap this up. This was fun. Sneaky guy got me to chat when I didn't think I was going to.
JohnGB
JohnGB
11:35
A lot of forums do, but mostly ones where the incentive becomes entrenched
So Reddit is an example where a lot of the value is lost among the reposts. The users getting this value want nothing to change, and they're vocal
Aaah, yes, I r is sneaky
Nice talking to you @trlkly
 
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Nathan Lucy
Nathan Lucy
17:04
@JohnGB we'll see how it plays out...
JohnGB
JohnGB
@NathanLucy See how what plays out?
 
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Nathan Lucy
Nathan Lucy
23:26
@JohnGB the design thinking SE site
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I'll-Be-Back
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