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DVK
1:53 AM
@Beofett - speaking of parents, should we offer "user6460" advice to join the chat here? she may get some useful advice not suitable as a SE answer; or heck, find friendly people here.
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun - May I ask which question is being referred to?
 
2:33 AM
Holy first posts batman! 22 - never seen that many at once needing review before.
@DVK That's a great saying - makes perfect sense. I also like, "don't hang noodles on my ears" for "oh, you're embarrassing me!" but, obviously, for different reasons.
@DVK What did user6440 need?
 
2:52 AM
@DVK I've connected which user you were referring to. Great idea - why don't you?
 
DVK
@balancedmama - I was asking for permission to. Not sure if it was appropriate.
 
Permission to develop a relationship and form a friendship with someone in need of help, support and maybe a mentor? Why would you need permission?
Besides, this is a community run site. Who was supposed to offer up the permission?
 
DVK
@balancedmama - Mods, naturally. I am not a frequent user here, not sure what the rules are
OK, let me go post a comment.
 
I know you meant the mods - I being a little (um, I have no idea how to spell fecitious??) Silly?
I just don't see any problem with the idea - it really is like inviting someone to be a "friend" online. I have to jet - but I'm in total support of offering up ideas in chat too. If the invitation is taken up and you guys do "chat" about it, you might link the chat to the question specifically so future users can also take a look.
 
DVK
@JeremyMiller - Much as downvotes sometimes suck, technically speaking, a user has a right to downvote pretty much for any and every reason. I generally try to explain when I downvote, but not always. The only problem is when they start targeting many posts of specific user (as Mama alluded to, there are system scripts that try to detect that and rectify serial voting)
@KarlBielefeldt - I know someone from another SE with autism-related experience. I can point that person at your question if you wish (they never joined this SE)
@balancedmama - Romeo and Juliet? Let's see... child abuse. Gang violence glorifocation.Child pornography. Homicide. Suicide. Anyone else thinks that Sheakspeare would have been committed to looney bin if he wrote that today?
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@balancedmama - According to what a mod once told me (could be Beofett actually), there's special Mod-only chat where you can ask guidance from other mods, even from other sites, when you aren't sure. BTW, congrats on being a mod - I don't know your work here but I like your SFF content :)
@JeremyMiller - Having a photo ALWAYS helps though :) A picture is worth 1k words and all.
@Beofett - Some Drs offices have nurses you can call and they will tell you if something is worth seeing a Dr. for. Ours used to have that, and with Thing#1, being new parents, it was very helpful.
@balancedmama - You're asking an ESL to spell? :) Google says "facetious"
 
 
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5:58 AM
@DVK All our excitement is based on the great activity on this question: parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/11025/…
@balancedmama facetious. (sorry for being a word geek!) :-)
@DVK how did you manage to earn 200 000 rep and 30+ gold badges - and still be unsure of the existence of the Teachers' Lounge, the private chat room for mods across all of SE. It's a place for mods to discuss topics before taking action, and to learn best practices from another - and to coordinate post migrations.
 
DVK
6:52 AM
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun - Because I'm not a mod :) I am aware there's communication between mods, but never bothered to find out details
 
7:06 AM
@DVK Can and ought are totally different concepts. Discretion as they say...
@DVK Really? Really? ... I'm just saying, Really??? Your kid is sick... there's nothing to take a photo of... and someone flippantly comments when another suggests seeking a professional, "a picture is worth 1k words?" Well, tbh, my daughter is worth more than 1k pictures, so I seek medical attention whether the issue can be photographed or not.
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun That's also the only non-science English word with all vowels in alphabetical order and only used once in the word. ;) Go Geeks! lol
 
7:26 AM
@KarlBielefeldt When I saw that post, I just had to post a response... you know my whole obsession with our childrens' safety! :)
@Beofett As you can see from the response I linked to, water isn't always the solution. ;) The question presumes the nature of the answer which may be a fallacy depending on the entirety of the underlying cause.
 
 
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12:59 PM
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun No, thank you - I should have looked it up but had to "jet."
@DVK It certainly wouldn't have been published and taught in schools.
@DVK Thanks, I only just became a moderator a week or so ago. There isn't much SFF content compared to here, but thanks.
@DVK In my experience, "ESL's" (at least those educated in Europe anyway) are better at English spelling and grammar than most US Public School educated kids (which I am one) and I was never good at spelling, but I really would have looked it up today, I went to bed thinking about it.
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun You had to tell me what TL was too!
@DVK I was the same way.
@JeremyMiller He also commented there is often a line to call to ask if a doctor needs to see baby or not - and he is right. Taking a pic of rashes, tongue coats and the like is helpful when you get to an appointment and the symptoms have cleared.
@JeremyMiller That will help me remember how to spell it!
It would be so nice, if the higher activity stayed even while interest in the specific question faded.
I wonder if we should protect it or something though - 26 answers?
 
1:24 PM
Many of the answers seem great - it isn't as if there is a bunch of controversy or something, but WOW how much of that can actually be completely new and unique information and tips?
Obviously I haven't read all of it at this point - only those I've reviewed.
 
 
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2:26 PM
@balancedmama How is parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/11089/… about "price-shopping assistance"? The phrase isn't "price/shopping assistance" meaning that price-shopping is a compound adjective not "or" like "/" would be.
Actually, I see the link now, but if you read the bottom of that page where they recommend how to write a question that will be valid, I'd say that the question in question is an example of a valid question... how to decide instead of which one to buy.
 
3:00 PM
@balancedmama Yes but you don't have five times my rep points... I just thought that such a veteran would've heard it through the grapevine a long time ago.
@balancedmama sounds like a good idea. I can do so too but I'll let you have that honor :)
@JeremyMiller @balancedmama I agree, that doesn't look like a "product recommendation" request but more like a "what factors to consider" request. It could be worded more clearly in that direction but I already read it like that. Voted to reopen.
 
3:39 PM
Thanks Torben. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, either -- just trying to understand. :)
 
DVK
4:15 PM
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun - Isn't "According to what a mod once told me" the very definition of "heard it through the grapevine"? :)
 
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun I agree. I could have sworn it was a dup, though, but sometimes you think "of course we've covered that!" when we actually haven't.
@jamesbradbury is there a reason you removed the picture on:
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Q: Should my 13-month-old's tummy be this fat?

JamesBradburyMy daughter's tummy seems strangely fat. I know babies are chubby and they usually grow out of this, but it seems oddly distended. (Picture removed) Her tummy has been like this for a few months and she seems healthy. She started solids some 6 months ago and been fully off the breast milk for a...

The question doesn't make much sense without it.
 
Joe
4:57 PM
@KarlBielefeldt I actually think the question makes some sense, as a result of the answers, without it. I assume he had privacy concerns (hence the comment I posted). BTW, am I correct in believing it stays in the edit history for (a long time|forever), or will it get removed from the SE servers automatically?
 
@Joe No it doesn't get removed from the history, but I had a StackExchange employee do it.
 
Joe
Meta question: does voting on meta.parenting work like voting on meta.so? IE, is downvote supposed to mean 'disagree'? Or is it still upvote=nice question downvote=bad question?
 
@Joe Yeah, meta is different. It doesn't affect your rep, so people use it more as an agree/disagree.
That's also why you see more self-answers on meta. You can upvote the question if you think it's a good discussion, then downvote the answer if you disagree with that particular proposed solution.
 
Joe
Okay, thanks. I'm a very experienced SO'er who just noticed p.se yesterday due to the hot question, but I haven't really been on other sites much other than meta.so which I know is somewhat different from other metas as well
Was a bit confused since I saw a meta question that was generally disagreed with but with lots of upvotes
on meta.so that would be negatively voted
 
@Joe Good point. I suppose we go both ways. We tend to be a lot more polite here.
 
Joe
5:12 PM
Ok, thanks.
 
Welcome, by the way. We got quite a few new users from that question. I've enjoyed reading your other contributions.
 
Joe
Thanks :)
It's interesting to see how a totally different kind of site works in the SE model
like, recommendations for strollers - that discussion was interesting, IMO
on SO that would be almost immediately gone, but it does make sense to keep a question like that on p.se as long as it's about qualities and not specific models
 
Yeah, we have a lot of completely non-technical members here. Makes for a different dynamic.
Also, parenting in general is a highly subjective topic.
 
Joe
Right - while on SO almost every question has 'one correct answer', almost no questions here would
Almost makes me wonder if the 'accepted answer' button should not exist here
 
I think a lot of people don't really use it. Sometimes I don't accept an answer unless one truly stands out.
 
Joe
5:18 PM
Sort of like a mini-bounty
 
Exactly.
 
Joe
I wonder how many of the members of parenting.se are programmers
(and, in general, for any SE site)
 
DVK
@Joe - 'one correct answer' - You haven't hun out in [perl] tag recently, have you? :)
@Joe - I think SE did some statistics on that, on on of their podcasts a year or 2 ago
 
@Joe Extrapolating from our 20 most active users, around 60%.
 
Joe
@DVK Haha, no, I avoid ;)
Although in my main language if you can't think of 5 different solutions to a problem you aren't thinking hard enough...
60%, that's not bad
I'd have thought more
so that means you are getting at least a decent selection of non-SO users
I don't think I know anyone on .se sites who isn't originally a SO user, but i'm also a programmer so I undoubtedly have selection bias
 
5:29 PM
Does anyone still use perl? My last two jobs I was the only one who even knew it. It's all python here (and a few weird Tcl users).
 
Joe
Oh, sure
I've had to use it occasionally, it's by far the easiest way to deal with massive text changes
like, "take this list of 60 million files in a complex directory structure, append the directory name to them, and append all of the rows in each file to one massive 800MM row file"
perl = runs in ~30 seconds
anything else = still running...
 
I agree with you. It's great for text processing. I bet you started using it in the 90's though, am I right? People who graduated after 2000 don't even try to learn it, it seems.
 
Joe
Lol
No, I actually only learned to use it for that project specifically
had a more experienced person start me out and then figured the rest out myself
But I think a lot of it is that computers are too powerful now
you don't need efficiency
used to be you learned all sorts of languages for different purposes
because you didn't want to write a program in c++ that took 5 hours to do what perl could do in 20 minutes
but now that it's 35 seconds vs 5 seconds
 
Okay. You're officially "that one guy I met" who learned perl after 2000 :-)
 
Joe
haha
brilliant
I had a weird path to programming though
 
5:35 PM
Yeah, it's more about programmer efficiency now. Perl is fast if you write it yourself, but can be painful to read someone else's code.
 
Joe
learned on an x86 in the late 80s/early 90s as a kid
then got a degree in economics and went into retail management for a while
then came back to progrmaming
when I realized retail management was not a good idea
so I have some old fashioned ideas despite being a newish professional programmer :)
 
Economics. Talk about "there's more than one theory to explain that." Explains your liking perl.
 
Joe
Nah, I went to the University of Chicago. They're quite convinced there is only one answer ;)
I actually started in perl because of regex's (which SAS incorporates). Not that is any better, for its own reason...
 
I'm not familiar with SAS. Is it a pleasant language or a "love to hate" language?
 
Joe
SAS is a 4GL
so
half of it is people who don't program
those of us who do program in it mostly love it
it's a statistics package combined with a very good databasing approach
so you can use SQL and such directly in it
SAS institute (the company) is top 3 employer nationally every year, so that's good at least
their campus i've heard is amazing (in North Carolina)
 
5:49 PM
Interesting. So do you end up having to maintain a lot of code written by non-programmers?
 
DVK
@KarlBielefeldt - Yes. They just don't admit it out of fear of sounding uncool.
 
Joe
Well, sometimes
I personally don't much due to where I work
but a lot of the folks I chat with in other companies do
There's a point=click interface for the true non programmers
A lot of people end up writing packages for non-programmers to use
 
DVK
@KarlBielefeldt - technically speaking I "learned" Perl in 1998/99 (I had the pleasure of having my very first Perl lesson taught by none other than Randal Schwartz!), but didn't start using it for real till 2000 :)
@KarlBielefeldt - You haven't read Perl code by someone who's a real Perl developer (as opposed to scripter).
 
I actually first learned Object oriented programming with perl and the camel book. I tried with C++ and it didn't click. Something about having to explicitly bless an object as belonging to a class solidified the difference between the two in my mind.
 
DVK
@KarlBielefeldt - Things changes since Ice Age :) Try Moose.
 
6:04 PM
@DVK Yes I have. I agree perl isn't intrinsically difficult to read. Unfortunately, it's also not intrinsically difficult to make working code that's completely unreadable.
 
6:15 PM
Of course, the latter point could be said of pretty much every language.
 
Joe
Languages written in text editors require a bit more work to keep readable, though
versus modern IDEs where you are at least somewhat forced into modularization
 
DVK
@Joe - In case that was a swipe at Perl, Perl has EPIC support for Eclipse which most people consider the pinnacle of all IDEs. There are also Perl native IDEs (Padre) and general good quality IDEs supporting perl (UltraEdit Studio, though I know people are snobbish about that).
 
Joe
Not a swipe, just a note :) Of course there are good IDEs for perl as well, but the fact that you can program in a text environment means there's a lot of bad code out there.
 
 
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Joe
9:44 PM
Looking at Dariusz's question, may I suggest that and be set up as tag synonyms? Seems like they're basically the same thing (aren't almost all of the gas questions going to be about pain?).
 
10:06 PM
@TorbenGundtofte-Bruun Karl's edits make all the difference! I should have taken a little more time with it.
 
Joe
One of the reasons SO doesn't allow product recommendations, according to the close reasons, is that they "attract spam" - even if they're not intended that way, they're likely for spammers to find via google and add a spam answer to
 
@JeremyMiller I actually agree- especially now with the edits. Perhaps because I was up late and exhausted, I couldn't make much sense of it with the original way it was worded. I'm so glad you brought it up and it has been re-opened with the nice editing job Karl did.
 
Joe
How do you balance that at a site like this, which clearly has some benefit from these kinds of questions?
 
@Joe I have some questions about the physics behind the variety of sounds as well as the volume such small children can create - but I don't think I'll be asking any of them. :-)
@Joe We try to make sure any questions about what to buy are all about qualities and things to look for in the item rather than about brands and the "products" themselves.
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@DVK did you make that invitation?
 
11:07 PM
@balancedmama I've done similar stuff myself. :) Hope you rested well!
 
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A: How to teach a child to wear clothes?

KaraI don't agree with any of those answers. They aren't speaking from experience. I have four kids. Ages 11, 7, 3, &2. The three oldest are boys and my daughter is the two yr old. My three year old son refused to wear clothes for almost a year. I finally told him you have to so your privates don't ...

@balancedmama, I think on answers like this, with a brand new user, it's okay to just go ahead and delete without consulting the other mods.
 

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