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@Zanna Your comment clarifies why it doesn't apply, and if the author thinks it does apply (or edits it so it does) they can flag the post and explain why your comment doesn't mean it's NAA. So I've gone ahead and deleted the post.

It's too bad the wrong canned comment about how it should've been a comment instead didn't go away first, though, since the author may now be fooled into thinking they should post answers as comments.

In this comment the post author linked to that question. Should there be a (non-deleted) link to that question somewhere on the page?

@EliahKagan probably. But I couldn't even manage to read that answer thoroughly yet. I never managed to get the chroot method of fixing GRUB to work on this machine. I think that answer recommends maximum pain. And is out of date. But I will try to read it properly. I wonder if all the X205TA stuff on AU can be linked. Probably I don't need to write this answer because there are already good ones hopes but I fear not

@EliahKagan yeah, and be annoyed that they can't comment to post comment-answers :S

@Zanna Until they have enough rep. Then they can wrongly post answers as comments.

yeah

At some point, I wrote a meta answer where part of what I was saying was that the reason people think they need the comment everywhere privilege to use the site effectively to get help with Ubuntu, and thus that Ask Ubuntu is not actually a good support resource, is that they are often told to post a comment when they should really be posting a question or an answer (and they see other people being told that).

I can't find that, though.

Oh well. I'll look later.

that sounds like a good answer

Well that was only part of the answer. Maybe the rest was hideous! :)

my struggle with the x205ta answer is that whatever I post will go out of date quickly

as well as being hideously complicated

@EliahKagan unlikely :)

possibly any question about installing on this machine should be closed as too broad because a good answer would be too long for this format

More than 30,000 characters?

I don't know really. but to stop it going out of date, many things will have to be explained

Maybe you should set up a website (blog? wiki?) about this topic?

@Zanna I found the meta post.

I'm not the expert, and there's no need. There is already much more than enough info about it on the Ubuntu Forums thread.

Oh.

So it this just the sort of problem that is best advised about on a forum?

Is it clear to people who come upon that thread how to find the parts of it that are most relevant to them?

@EliahKagan I hadn't seen that one before :)

@EliahKagan I think so. The state of support is changing all the time. But a well-maintained wiki would be great, because it's difficult to find useful things in a gigantic forum thread. The expert (the script author) has the most useful things in his signature, and he is constantly advising new people who come to the thread, by directing them to the useful posts. But I'm not up to date with it - I haven't been following it for the last ~200 posts

@Zanna Considering what I said there, it would have been useful had I mentioned it there‌​. (I think my answer to the older question doesn't actually answer the newer question I asked in August; the first one was about what strategy people can use to get help with a problem that an unanswered question exists for, and the second was about what kinds of things we should permit to exist as answers. Still, clearly related.)

@Zanna Would most of it apply to other 32-bit-only UEFI-only systems?

I was thinking the same when I read the first part

I also found this post.

@EliahKagan oh no! only one small part, and some obsolete parts. It has many more problems than just the bootloader issue, which has been almost fixed apart from the iso issue (my answer to that general question about booting a live image on a 32-bit-only UEFI-only system has lots of anon feedback, so I think it's still relevant to multiple devices because the installer will choose the right GRUB now (and there actually is a 32-bit GRUB that works on UEFI systems)...

... if one connects to the internet and selects "download updates during installation"

but connecting to wifi on this device (not others) requires copying nvram from one place to another - or you can tether to a phone or tablet during installation and just fix it afterwards

I missed a )

Right. The wireless. That's actually why I had jokingly(?) mentioned Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. Back when I was using it, it had difficulties with wireless that neither regular Debian GNU/Linux nor regular FreeBSD had.

Fabby may have stopped using that comment but he started doing it again later

@EliahKagan oh yes? well I don't even understand this wifi problem or the fix to it, or why the devs won't fix it. I only know to do it

it may take me days to work out how to answer this properly, but I am going to try not to get stressed about it

this is very good advice although it is basically an LOA

probably the new question could reasonably be considered a duplicate of that one. But the much upvoted answer is out of date

@Zanna I think that comment may have been in reference to a chat conversation, which did not establish a community consensus against using that canned comment. In contrast, the second question you linked did establish that -- people upvoted terdon's and your answers quite a bit -- and I have not noticed it being used since. I think we still have a whole bunch of the old ones (mostly from other users actually, as it really caught on) lying around that should be flagged.

hmm we could use SEDE to find them... if we should find them and flag them

data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/revision/742322/921918/…

^query to find master Yoda comments (saying this to make it findable in transcript)

hmm... the answer lacks detail

@Zanna Should they all (eventually) be flagged? They're all wrong, but for example this one has a reply from a moderator (I checked the election date) that explains what's wrong with it. Should that stick around? My inclination is to still say it shouldn't, but I'm not sure.

well, David Foerster has stopped leaving that comment. I doubt the two comments together have any pedagogical value for others... if we notice people leaving that comments, we'll send them to a meta post, not to that pair of comments there, and they're unlikely to be encountered by chance by people who might think of leaving such comments...

@Zanna yeah that comment never made much sense

Should the comments here (except Byron's) be flagged, or replied to?

reply could be useful, because cwoodwar6 seems to be active

I've commented, but does my comment make sense?

yes, that's an excellent comment, thank you!

So how many of these comments should I flag at a time?

realised that I wrote an earlier answer about installing on X205TA...

On, Stack Overflow the moderators don't want people to mass-flag comments based on SEDE queries, preferring that people "flag organically."

@EliahKagan haha organically

oops unintentional ping...

As far as I can tell, that means that instead of flagging harmful comments early before their harm becomes great, people should wait until there is massively more that has to be fixed. However, I do understand that SO is a huge and busy site and the moderators are often overworked, especially since, on SO, IIRC, many of the moderators are not really.... that active as moderators.

I know Thomas, terdon and jokerdino don't like the yoda comment, but I don't know how they will feel about us mass-flagging them

I don't think we actually have a policy on Ask Ubuntu against flagging comments, no matter the number based on SEDE queries. But I don't want us to get one, either, so I think it may be best not to flag hude numbers all at once.

haha yeah. I was thinking let's just flag 5 a day or so

but that might be even more irritating!

Oh, I don't think it's necessary to do that few.

I've flagged 28 comments, though they were not all those comments (some were other comments I saw on the same pages), so it was still significantly less than half of all the comments returned by that SEDE query.

I think this is an answer, but can it be improved?

er... edited

I think I'm going to abandon writing the X205TA answer because I'm talking to the OP in chat and realising how the problems with the device vary from machine to machine hahaha

1 more vote askubuntu.com/review/reopen/764641

lol @ my alt text

"terminal showing no output for the command as one would expect given it's the wrong command"

@edwinksl Reopened.

nice

@Zanna Why should this answer be deleted? You may want to comment to explain, since the comment that was already given is incorrect.

I guess it should not be deleted. I didn't think they would be able to use that application, but maybe they can

I don't know if it will solve their problem, but it's installable. Should the answer be edited to include the link I gave in my comment?

This meta question should not be closed as off-topic, because it's about question titles on Ask Ubuntu (and, implicitly, about whether or not they should be edited under particular circumstances). Really what it needs is tags besides discussion, and I ought to have clicked the Edit button in the CV review and added them. Instead I just clicked Leave Open, which was better than nothing. Do either of you feel like reviewing it?

oops I also clicked Leave Open

@edwinksl? :)

I saw a new answer to that post this morning and got annoyed. The author of the new answer always has this effect on me...

no repro askubuntu.com/questions/965111/…

get your votes in!

Closed.

Any reason this isn't a dupe? I've VTC'd it.

This post seems NAA to me, but should it be somehow edited instead?

Do we have something else for this? I don't think it's a duplicate of the EoL upgrade question.

@EliahKagan I guess they should have commented in that case...

Is there any evidence that not using the version they suggest causes this problem?

@EliahKagan I agree it's not a dupe of that but I don't think it's clear what they really intended to ask...

the question seems vague to me even now

@Zanna They want to know what the EoL policy is.

Although actually, I was wrong:

> how I can go about moving to a supported release

see the first version of the question

Originally it was unclear, and now it's too broad to answer properly imho.

I mean, they do want to know what the EoL policy is. But they also want to know how to upgrade. I'm VTCing as a duplicate of the EoL upgrades question after all. I think that's the best thing to do with it currently.

Is is better to try and expand this link-only answer or just delete it?

that does look like a useful guide, but it's long

I'm looking at it, and... lacking energy

I shouldn't copy all or most of it; there's no statement on the page that would suggest that's permitted, and fair use is not likely to cover that much material.

So I would have to rewrite the important parts.

do you think it is possible then?

Yes. Although it will still partly rely on the post for the script.

well, if you are prepared to do that, I think it would be the right thing to do here

I don't know when I would get to it. I plan to fix that post of mine first that I've been incessantly talking about editing but not actually editing.

maybe I will get to it :S

too late, it was deleted :/

@Zanna It's not too late. It can be edited into shape, then flagged to request undeletion.

true :)

Editing remains the hard part. If you end up to doing that, I can definitely take care of the flagging part. :)

:)

I tried to edit that LOA but I am not sure what I did is appropriate or complete

@Zanna Looks fine to me. Is there something you're concerned about?

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