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OT Debian
 
 
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9:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): After upgrading to Ubuntu 19.10, MySQL fails ✏️ by crydotsnake on askubuntu.com
 
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10:15 AM
@Zanna Do you know of any that are particularly in need of attention?
 
I will try to look a little later
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title (194): How to Buy Adderall Online USA? by John Lewis on askubuntu.com
 
@Kulfy (and others) Do you have Unity? If yes, could you please check whether this answer is valid/useful for this specific question (refer to my comment below the answer)?
 
There's no need. But if you do end up looking, and if you end up finding any that you think I should look at, you can let me know. That would be on-topic for the Downboat (or of course AUGR) I think. I should possibly have asked you there instead of here. :)
 
[unrelated] Reminder: it's a no-repro (and kinda unclear)
It seems reasonable to close this as a dupe, but only against both the links in my comment. So please add the second link to the list of targets.
 
10:33 AM
@pomsky I've voted to close that as a duplicate, but either my vote expired or it's currently the only active close vote on the post.
 
that's ok, here is also good, this is the any topic room :D
I also get the message that I've already voted for that question
 
I don't remember VTCing it so I suspect either my vote or others' votes have expired on it. That may make it difficult to ensure it's duped to both.
 
Yeah, it has gone through closing and reopening before.
 
Oh yeah. I successfully voted to close that before.
So the system won't ever let me vote to close it again.
 
oh... me too
the usual suspects in the moderation history XD
 
10:38 AM
[unrelated] Although this one starts with "I had the same problem, it looks like a valid and pretty good answer to me.Points out a quirk in Ubuntu Touch password/pin implementation.
 
@pomsky It does not seem to me to be a valid or useful answer.
@pomsky This answer also seems valid and useful to me. I recall that I reviewed it as Looks OK.
 
@Zanna I think I do agree that for that particular topic that the Island is also okay. But I'm inclined to think of the scope of the Island as everything except what's on-topic for (and not overly long technical for) the Downboat. I guess it's not all that important when it comes to discussing questions I want to answer.
But I feel anything moderation-related is best discussed in a less obscure place visited by people who take interest, visited from time to time by moderators, linked from a few places in meta, etc. My feeling is that this protects everyone, in that it safeguards against both more and less well founded worries that would otherwise arise regarding transparency in systematically exercising and coordinating the exercise of rep-conferred privileges.
This room is public, and I imagine far more people read what we say here than we tend to imagine, but I don't think it gets the attention of more than a few active users.
 
that's a good point
when you asked if any of the questions needed attention, I thought "I will look for them and resume the conversation in the Downboat" because posts needing attention is our work over there
 
@Zanna This is also one of the reasons I'm so pleased this room was created. By moving stuff that has little to nothing to do with moderation out of the Downboat, the discussions about moderation are made more legible and accessible to people who are interested in them.
@Zanna Indeed. :)
Actually I would like to move even these messages to the Downboat (the ones that are on-topic for it, not the ones above relating to Python code and usage). There's no hurry; I'll do it in my usual lazy taking-my-sweet-time way that helps me avoid doing it wrong. :) I'll do that at some point, if you have no objection. I have no problem continuing this line of conversation here for now, though.
 
@EliahKagan :) I feel this is very important, but sometimes I have the feeling that other people find my concern to keep the Downboat clear of non-moderation things overly finicky
@EliahKagan sure, taking time is good. I should do more of that... I mostly either do things too hastily or not at all D:
 
10:54 AM
@Zanna As far as I know, most of the non-moderation things of great length in the Downboat are generated either by, or in conversation with, me. :)
 
@pomsky I couldn't quite understand the question or the answer, but I have flagged the comment as I feel confident that answer is not intended to be, and should not be, a separate question
hahaha we had to hmm a lot to keep this room from freezing in your absence :D
 
but this room is my favourite room in all of SE. Those off-topic things are the most fun
 
That's funny since, except for the (sometimes) high volume of messages, almost everything here would be on-topic for AUGR.
^^ And for the edification of future readers, by "here" I mean the Island, in case those messages are included in the ones that get moved to the Downboat. :)
Volume is significant, though.
Like, 100% of everything on-topic for the Downboat is on-topic for AUGR. But I don't need to speculate to say people wouldn't want it all there. We accepted messages from Smokey in the Downboat after people decided they didn't want them anymore in AUGR.
 
That was also the time I was starting to use the site regularly, so I was not aware of the existence of tricks like closing against multiple targets, editing target list after closure etc. So I am the one responsible for snatching your voting rights in this case, sorry about it :( (cc@Zanna)
@EliahKagan Yes, I advocated for reopening the question at the time as it was closed against one that solves only half the issues raised in the question (only workspace isolation, but not changing alt-tab to window-switcher from app-switcher).
 
11:05 AM
yes
@pomsky that's no problem at all. It would be reasonable to flag the post for moderator attention to have it closed rightly, I should think
But lately I am not sure what people do want in AUGR
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (96): Lenovo Thunderbolt 3 dock HDMI/DisplayPort 19.10 by sebicm on askubuntu.com
 
@SmokeDetector hmm... what was the keyword?
 
hmm... Does Smokey report every post mentioning Lenovo? I feel like I would have noticed that!
 
I would imagine not.
Might be worth asking in Charcoal HQ.
 
11:25 AM
@EliahKagan I did ask and triplee explained that it was caught because it was part of a URL, which makes sense
 
Thanks!
 
:)
 
@Natty Is what that answer is saying true? And why would that be?
 
12:18 PM
@pomsky I don't have Unity in main installation but it must exist on one of the VMs I use. Let me check
 
12:32 PM
The answer is fine.
Although when I use Shift+PrtScr, I get + to select area. But I'm not able to visually identify which area I have selected
 
12:50 PM
attempt to reply - the editor should post a new answer instead
 
AFAIK Tomcat should have execute permissions as well. This suggested edit changes the permission bits and I don't think the typo was in command.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Contains Whitelisted Word - You can; Low Rep; 1.5;
 
^^ Seems intended as a comment supporting the existing answer that recommends -y.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Ends with ?; Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 3.0;
 
12:56 PM
@Kulfy Moreover the answer with 755 already exists
Sorry wrong ping.
Ugghh...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, +2 more (492): Get A Food Diary To Support In Weight Loss by marianearlyn on askubuntu.com
 
1:15 PM
24 messages moved from Island of castaway thoughts
OT GamePack (or OT "EOL")
 
IMO if OP finds answer on some other SE, it doesn't make it OT-no repro
 
@Kulfy Indeed it does not. I've upvoted your comment. And it's out of the queue now. It could use a better title, but I didn't think of a good one.
 
indeed, I'm also unable to think a good title.
 
1:30 PM
dupe The accepted answer proves that it is a dupe, and the OP earned 100 points for posting a duplicate question that seems to be impossible to close.
 
Is the tag small enough that it can just be detagged from everything or should there be a meta post first?
Is there any reason to have the tag?
@karel I don't see how that's a duplicate. The target is specifically about Gedit. Acceptance reflects only what the OP picked, and questions are not only, nor even primarily, for their original askers. It already has valuable answers that are not about Gedit.
 
@EliahKagan resurgent tag
 
@Zanna Ah--thanks.
 
This is not a duplicate. In this question OP is asking to migrate from Elementary to Ubuntu's latest version without loosing any data. OTOH the target question had some PPAs that installed elemetaryOS things.
IMO they are completely different. And the earlier one should be opened and closed as OT.
 
If it's entirely clear that it's off-topic then deletion could be acceptable in lieu of reopening and reclosing it. But in case people think it's on-topic, maybe it would be best to reopen it. What do you think?
 
1:40 PM
As far as I understood the question, its off-topic and certainly not a dupe of that one.
 
So wouldn't deletion be sufficient?
Or is the idea that the answer is valuable and maybe the question should be migrated?
The answer currently has a score of 0.
And no one has voted on it up or down.
 
Yeah deletion would be sufficient. Or migrate to elementary OS.
I don't think the answer is good enough.
 
I've voted to delete it.
It had one delete vote when I cast mine, so it needs a third one to be deleted.
 
Gone.
That was fast.
 
I don't think this question is no repro. It's asking what could cause a very specific message to be shown, not asking how to fix it and then reporting that it was mysteriously fixed and no longer needs to be investigated. If someone knows it doesn't have enough information to be answered, then specific information should be requested in comments and it can be closed as unclear. Otherwise I think it's better left open.
Unless it's a duplicate of something, of course.
@Kulfy Closed.
 
1:47 PM
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Contains Whitelisted Word - You can; Low Rep; 1.0;
 
Were AU users ready to close malformed entry? Closed in 2mins
 
dupe. Mint and elementary both are based on Ubuntu
 
Asking how to install Python 3.7 does not strike me as unclear or too broad.
 
1:51 PM
no repro considering OP's comment?
 
Yes, I'd say so.
dupe, or maybe unclear
I think this is better answered than closed, unless it's a duplicate... which I suspect it may be.
too broad, possibly unclear, possibly off-topic
 
2:08 PM
Should the "solution" part be redacted from the question? The exact answer exists on the target btw
 
Hmm, I'm not sure.
 
@EliahKagan that answer got an awesome edit
 
@Natty ne
Yes, indeed it did!
 
2:22 PM
@Kulfy I would not remove that, because it is helpful. The only argument I can think of for removing it is that people might get the wrong idea about the site format. I have decided this is a weak reason to make visitors dig around or load more pages to get the answer. So if people have left the otherwise-hard-to-find solution in their duped question I usually just leave it. The command is in the accepted answer, and an answer to the target, but most of the other info there is out of date
I don't think what I do is policy, however
 
rejectable- I rejected with a custom message.
This answer looks like an exact copy of the linked one. Therefore, citation is needed. There is no point of removing those lines.
 
Given that the post does have attribution (and has for... years), is the comment needed anymore?
 
May be yes because that edit was done by Oli. I'm not sure.
@Zanna Hmm.. yeah.
I edited the question and removed the commentary that I believe was irrelevant
It seems that was intended to be a self Q&A
 
2:40 PM
@Kulfy nice edit
I wonder why that question has a delete vote
 
@Zanna :)
 
Is it NAA? Seems more like a comment
 
Yeah, that's NAA, because it has only a link to the proposed solution. Without the link, it doesn't provide an answer. I do think it looks like we can close the question as a duplicate of the linked question, though.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 2.5;
 
2:49 PM
Though maybe there is a better dupe target for it.
 
I think DK Bose's answer is good enough and question should remain open.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Low Rep; 3.0;
 
Maybe dupe in the other direction then?
(unrelated) dupe
 
May be no since other question has nothing to do with KDE desktop
deletable. I think
 
@Kulfy I'm reluctant to delete that.
Newer versions of APT commands that previously first treated * as part of a regular expression now treat it as part of a glob and are safer, I believe.
@Natty tp
 
Hmm. OK
 
I believe there are still non-EOL versions of Ubuntu for which the caution fully applies.
But I think the warning and votes should be enough.
 
@Natty tp
 
3:39 PM
Have I stumbled into a room that I shouldn't be in ... very few users in here ... <.< o.o >.>
 
@ITGremlin Everyone is welcome here. This room is for discussing matters of moderation on Ask Ubuntu
 
3:58 PM
Oh. We can question moderation?! Most public spaces ban you for doing that.
 
that's terrible...
yes you can definitely question moderation on Ask Ubuntu
maybe it was misleading or confusing of me to say we are discussing moderation. I mean that in the sense that this page says Ask Ubuntu is moderated by you, that is, by its community, although there are diamond moderators who have extra powers.
moderation activities are things like voting up and down, editing, reviewing, voting to close, voting to delete
you will have noticed that Stack Exchange is gameified, that is you can ask and answer questions and you get what some might call meaningless internet points and suchlike for doing so
in fact the privileges you get as you accumulate these not-entirely-meaningless internet points are mostly ways you can participate in moderation
the people who hang out in this room, for some reason, choose to spend some of their time doing moderation stuff. Some actual real diamond moderators lurk here and even occasionally speak, but the chatterboxes here are non-mods. At least two of them are non-human.
 
4:19 PM
Yes, not being able to comment and only answer can be frustrating on all the stack exchange subsections.
I sometimes want to ask questions of the original poster in order to get a better understanding of the problem before giving a full answer but am unable to do so.
 
yeah, it's a very common frustration. We frequently get meta posts about that
but comments are tricky to moderate so there is a deliberate barrier to prevent misuse of comments
still, many experienced users misuse comments
I find myself misusing comments not infrequently :S
 
How are they meant to be used?
 
you are close to being able to comment on Ask Ubuntu. Just 11 more points. You can suggest 6 edits that get accepted
 
/me rubs hands together and cackles.
 
@ITGremlin to work towards improving the post they are on, ideally. Things like asking for clarification, suggesting useful changes, pointing out issues that can't really be fixed by editing...
but in the end comments get used for many things
communicating turns out to be really important haha
 
4:25 PM
What are the misuses? Those all sounds like what I want to use them for.
Also, this chat. not really visible on the site. Deliberately on the down-low?
 
@ITGremlin this chat in particular, or chat in general?
 
Chat in general. Only found chat. because of your profile.
 
@ITGremlin well, the main "misuse" is people answering in the comments. See this meta post. Anything that should be in a post instead, or that is not constructive
@ITGremlin oh haha I'm glad I put those links there. I agree that chat is hard to find. I have the SE chat rooms I use as pinned tabs. Otherwise I wouldn't find them. I don't know why it's tucked away like that.
 
@Zanna Were you sure that the typo was in command? askubuntu.com/a/1175411/816190
If yes, then I'm not sure what would be the difference among this and that
if I ignore the path of folder
 
4:42 PM
I don't understand what you mean. It's an answer. We don't want the answer to suggest chmod 777. The author says "I changed it to 755 and it worked". Maybe they changed it to 777 and it worked, but they should have changed it to 755 and not 777
if it was a question, I wouldn't edit it, but it's an answer...
 
@Zanna Since the text said that they used 755 but in command they mentioned 777, I think there must be a typo but I'm not sure where.
I think the two answers I mentioned above are more or less the same.
 
@Kulfy so, the way I see it, we could assume they really meant to write chmod 777 and downvote the answer and comment that they should never give such permissions, or we could just give the benefit of the doubt and correct it with an edit...
 
Yeah. That's why I was inclined to reject the suggested edit which changed 777 to 755. OTOH Eliah approved that.
IMO the edit should be rolled back and a comment should be posted that did they really run 755 or 777?
 
what is the point of doing that? We would just want to delete the answer if it intended to recommend 777
 
Indeed. But I think a comment could also be helpful.
 
4:57 PM
@Kulfy I think the edit was good
 
Yeah but still I rejected it because there is some confusion that whether the OP really meant 755.
 
@Natty tp
 
Cheers. Good night o7
 
5:11 PM
@ITGremlin good night :)
 
5:25 PM
That Calamares one is borderline but I agree with it being converted to a comment so...
@Natty tp
(Anyone should feel free to submit conflicting feedback.)
 
^^ I don't think that really answers the "why" question.
I'm not sure if it should be considered NAA though.
 
5:51 PM
@EliahKagan I think it's answering the real question haha
 
Yeah, you're right:
> How can I clear this notification and request to update?
@Natty fp
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (96): Lenovo Thunderbolt 3 dock HDMI/DisplayPort 19.10 by sebicm on askubuntu.com
 
 
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10:10 PM
no longer needed (accidental duplicate comment)
 
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Also, why was that upvoted?
 

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