Vedanta and Philosophy

Pandya

1:00 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan so, Have you decided to prepare a document?

Keshav Srinivasan

1:35 AM

@Pandya Yeah, I'm already halfway done with it.

S S

2:10 AM

Mar 9 at 15:11, by The Destroyer

@SreeCharan What is the name of the acharya in this video?

@TheDestroyer Mallapragada LakshmiNarayana is the name.

Lakshmi Narayanan

2:24 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan So how did Mimamsakas view hymns such as Purusha Suktam?

@KeshavSrinivasan Did they consider this as another hymn on properties of Brahman and thus Arthavada?

@KeshavSrinivasan If so, what is their rationale for the inclusion of these hymns in Vedas? Acc. to them, Vedas are eternal so these statements should by that logic be description of eternal things right?

Keshav Srinivasan

2:43 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan To Mimamsakas, mantras found in the Samhita are not Arthavadas, they fall under a different category. They are things you recite to help you remember how to do a Yagna.

@LakshmiNarayanan They interpreted Mantras metaphorically, as metaphors for different actions done in a particular Yagna.

@LakshmiNarayanan So for instance the Purusha Sukta is chanted in the Purushamedha Yagna, so they would interpret different parts of the Purusha Sukta as metaphors for different actions done in the Purushamedha Yagna.

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, while I'm at it I should explain how Mimamsakas interpret the Upanishads. I told you earlier about how Mimamsakas believe that the Vedas cannot meaningfully convey information about objects which already exist. But they can refer to information that can be gleamed through Pratyaksha or Anumana.

@LakshmiNarayanan So for instance, if the Vedas say "When the Sun rises in the East, you should perform the Agnihotra", the Sun rising in the East is something that already exists. But the Vedas can still refer to it, because the Sun rising in the East is known through Pratyaksha. The Vedas are not conveying new information about the Sun, they are just referencing information that's knowable through other means.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan So to Mimamsakas, it seems the Brahmanas portion of the Vedas are the ones of utmost importance

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Which brings me to the Upanishads. When the Upanishads make a statement like "The Atma is different from the body, the mind, and the senses", here is how the Purva Mimamsa school interprets it.

@LakshmiNarayanan They basically think of it as a message to priests, along the following lines, "You know through empirical means that there is a self within you which is different from the body, the mind, and the senses. And you know through empirical means that there is a self within your king which is different from the body, the mind, and the senses. If you want to send that self of your king to Swarga when he dies, you should do this Yagna."

Lakshmi Narayanan

2:59 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan How does one know that self is different from body through Pratyaksha or Anumana?

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah. The Purva Mimamsa Sutras place importance on the Brahmanas, the Devata Kanda Sutras place importance on the Samhitas, and the Brahma Sutras place importance on the Upanishads.

@LakshmiNarayanan That is actually the issue that got us started on this whole conversation. Shabara's Bhashya gives a logical argument for why the soul must be different than the body, and there are claims that he took this argument from the Brahma Sutras; see my question here:

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Q: What arguments does Shabara's Mimamsa Sutra Bhashya take from the Brahma Sutras?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

@LakshmiNarayanan We've now come full circle, haha:

2 days ago, by Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I discuss the Mimamsa-Vedanta refutation of Charvakas (materialistic atheists) and the demonstration of the existence of the soul in my question here:

2 days ago, by Keshav Srinivasan

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Q: How does Ramanujacharya interpret a quote from Upavarsha's ancient Vritti?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

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Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan I think this means i have cleared level 1 of Purva Mimamsa by Keshav Srinivasan ;)

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Haha

Lakshmi Narayanan

3:16 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan They're trying to claim converse from statement that "Body can exist without consciousness", how is this logically legal?

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan This is what they're saying: if the body were the same as the conscious self, then as long as the body existed, the conscious self would exist. But in actual fact, we find that dead bodies are not conscious even they exist. Therefore, the body is not the same as the conscious self.

@LakshmiNarayanan They're not trying to infer a converse, they're just using modus tollens: "If A were true, then B would be true. But B is false. Therefore A is false."

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh! Ok, this is cleared now. Although, i could still say that body+consciousness is what is real but then that still doesn't imply eternality of consciousness.

*that by itself.

Keshav Srinivasan

3:34 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan Well, eternality is a separate matter. This is just a question of whether the body and the conscious self are the same thing or they're different things.

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, here's a journal paper published a few months ago which discusses the subject of what relation the Devata Kanda Sutras might have to the Sankarsha Kanda text found in manuscripts: gdurl.com/0mAl

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Thanks.

Lakshmi Narayanan

3:56 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan thanks i will check it out.

@KeshavSrinivasan makes sense.

Keshav Srinivasan

4:09 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, the Vedanta school doesn't agree with the Purva Mimamsa belief that the Vedas cannot convey information about what already exists; see my question here:

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Q: Do any Purva Mimamsa philosophers agree with the Vedanta school's view of Arthavada?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. (You can read t...

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@LakshmiNarayanan Mimamsakas were crazy; they didn't even believe that the Mahabharata war happened. Which is ridiculous, since their founder Jaimini was personally present in the battlefield of Kurukshetra at the end of the war.

@LakshmiNarayanan They thought that the battle descriptions in the Mahabharata were just Arthavada intended to encourage kings to be brave.

Lakshmi Narayanan

4:26 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan Arthavada seems to be their go-to disarm. How do they reconcile Jaimini's presence on Kurukshetra as metaphorical?

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah, although, I somehow feel sorry for their disappearance as well - feel they fill an essential role in the philosophical equation and that their contribution wasn't done evolving. Do you think there was scope for evolution of Purva Mimamsa had it survived? What do you think that development might have entailed?

@KeshavSrinivasan I understand i'm asking for speculation here, but it would be interesting to speculate on this i feel :D

Keshav Srinivasan

4:45 AM

@Pandya Ok, I finished it. It's currently extremely disorganized and written in a stream-of-consciousness fashion:

Sects and Schools of Hinduism
By Keshav Srinivasan

The traditional schools of Indian philosophy are divided into two categories, the Astika schools which accept the Vedas, and the Nastika schools like Buddhism, Jainism, Charvaka, and Ajivika which reject the Vedas. It is the Astika schools that are appropriately called Hinduism or Santana Dharma. Now there are six main Astika school: Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Purva Mimamsa, and Vedanta.

1. The Samkhya school was founded by Vishnu's incarnation Kapila, although some people say that Vishnu's incarnation Kapila is different than K…

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@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, I too wish that there were still Mimamsakas left in the world. They would be fascinating to talk to.

The Destroyer

@SS Thanks Bro!

S S

@TheDestroyer My pleasure.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan wow nice description!... Thanks for writing... 😀😀

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Thanks!

@LakshmiNarayanan It's a good question, and one that I've thought about before. The answer to the question "Do you think there was scope for evolution of Purva Mimamsa had it survived?" is unequivocally yes. The thing is that evolution had already happened. By the end, Purva Mimamsa had reached a form which actually could defeat the Buddhists, in the form of Kumarila Bhatta.

@LakshmiNarayanan Kumarila Bhatta was having extraordinary success in defeating the Buddhists, and if Adi Shankaracharya had never been born, I daresay that Kumarila Bhatta and his successors would have saved Hinduism from Buddhist attack. And then we would have all remained Mimamsakas.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Is Baudhayana Grihya sutra avaliable in English?..

Keshav Srinivasan

4:58 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan The only reason why that didn't happen is that the Vedanta school defeated the Purva Mimamsa school, even Kumarila Bhatta's version. But we can easily think of an alternate history where Adi Shankaracharya was never born and thus the Purva Mimamsa school would go unchallenged.

@Tezz No, as far I know it's never been translated into English. I'm not sure why.

@LakshmiNarayanan It's interesting to think about how different India would be if Purva Mimamsa was the dominant school of Hindu philosophy today. There might be no Bhakti, no Pujas, no striving for Moksha, etc. Only Yagnas.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok...

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan On the other hand, without our Bhakti India might have been converted en masse to Islam. Or if that didn't happen India might have become a communist country like China, since atheist societies have a natural affinity for communism.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Was Kumarila Bhatta's defense based on strengthening Purva Mimamsa based on concepts such as Brahman's existence or was it based on dismantling the tenets of Buddhism or both?

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Excellent explanation , Nice Answer 😊💐👍

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Well, Kumarila Bhatta did have a sharp intellect and wit that allowed him to skillfully dismantle Buddhist thought, but yeah his belief in Brahman was the key to him succeeding where other Mimamsakas had failed.

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, at some point either concurrently with the Shabara Bhashya or afterwards, you may want to read Kumarila Bhatta's works.

Tezz

5:16 AM

@SwiftPushkar Thanks!...😁😁😁

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz But I have the Baudhayana Shrauta Sutras in English, if you're interested in that.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok... is it avaliable in archive?..

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz No, it's available here: ignca.nic.in/km_35_38.htm

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok.. Thanks...

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Thanks. no-problem.

I'll try to organize later. can you just mail it to me?

Pandya

5:27 AM

Btw, whenever you comment on answer to ask source, consider to check if my bot (if it's running) traces it in moderation room or not. @SwiftPushkar @SS @Tezz @TheDestroyer @TriyugiNarayanMani @Yogi @Rickross @KeshavSrinivasan and all others who are interested.

S S

@Pandya What keyword did you use?

Cite sources?

Tezz

@Pandya where is your bot running?..

Pandya

@SS Currently bot is expected to trace text something like "........cite/add/provide/give.......source(s)....."

@Tezz in moderation room

Tezz

@Pandya Oh ok...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Bro! Super Dp.

Pandya

5:37 AM

You can check whether bot is running or not by pinging it to "alive"

S S

@Pandya It started today. Isn't it? In the moderation room.

Pandya

@SS Yes.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Yes will check that 👍 @TheDestroyer - haha yes , 4 gods in one year , 👍👍👍🌷

Pandya

Currently it is in testing/experimental. (Can be improved).

@SwiftPushkar ok.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan China is a bit weird, they follow ancestor worship and the Tao is something like a process view of Brahman but there are not explicit gods of endemic origin AFAIK

@KeshavSrinivasan It's hard to say given how long we've traded with Foreign powers and still retained Vedic Heritage.

@KeshavSrinivasan America is becoming increasingly athiest but they lean more to socialism than communism, so I don't know if this affinity is naturally existent.

@KeshavSrinivasan Very interesting

S S

5:46 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan USA will never become communist nation.

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan I read somewhere that Swami Vivekananda predicted entire world would follow Vedanta one day.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - oh , I have completed 1 year , and there were 4 different DPs (Devi ,Ganapati ,krishna & now Shiva) .. 😊

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Haha. 👍

Lakshmi Narayanan

@TheDestroyer Oh, that's interesting, did he say why?

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan I think he said that when a reported asked about communism and Socialism.

Lakshmi Narayanan

5:50 AM

@SS Agree but it has over the last centuries embraced a lot of socialist initiatives like trying to implement an affordable system of universal healthcare, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare programs. There is an imminent dismantling of these systems by massive defunding in the latest proposed balancing of budget (2018) but those programs are unlikely to pass the senate.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @SS @KeshavSrinivasan @LakshmiNarayanan I heard in one lecture of Srimad Bhagavtam that Nrisimha Hiranyakshipu story denotes fight between materialism and spritualism... He told Hiranyakashipu represents modern science (which thinks it can do everything and think itself as God)... and modern science will give a birth to metaphor (Prahlada)... and finally it would be known God is omnipresent (Nrisimha comes from pillar) .. and kills Hiranyakashipu (modern science).....

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya OK, I sent it.

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@Pandya ok

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Usually things are hard to pass in the Senate, but for budgetary matters there is something called budget reconciliation which you can use to bypass the filibuster.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan There is also a blanket filibuster reform in the works i think.

@Tezz This is weird, I always thought we were all about the balance between Material pursuits and Spiritual pursuits. To shun one at the cost of the other is to risk both na.

Keshav Srinivasan

5:56 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan Well, the filibuster has already been removed for nominations, but both Democrats and Republicans agree that the legislative filibuster isn't going to be removed anytime soon.

S S

@Tezz why kill modern science?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan But Both of them hate it at this point!

@KeshavSrinivasan Also, I heard that the proposed bill from CBO is not going to pass the senate...even moderate republicans don't like it in its current form

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Thanks for yours efforts! I hope your this information will be useful to everyone.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Thanks for this!

@Pandya seconded

Tezz

@SS metaphorically what he mean was destroying logic of modern science...

S S

5:59 AM

@Tezz Incidents in our scriptures can be related to many things.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yes , we can say this also , Even hiranyakashipu is representation of human arrogance if that exceeded , god will show his wrath /anger that is matchless. So we should mostly try to be humble towards all creatures , the gods power is infinite 😊👍👍 offcours this is basic interpretation of mine

Tezz

@SS Yes...

@SwiftPushkar Hmm..😀😀

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Yes, many have tried to find the symbolic nature of Ramayana.

Tezz

@Pandya like Rama=Atman, Sita=Buddhi, Hanuman=Prana Vibhisana,Ravana, Kumbhakarna=Satwa, Rajas, Tamas etc...

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SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Yes almost all mythological stories of all religions are symbolic , but they have been told in intresting manner so people should continue to listen to them for generations after generations.Thats why they still are more popular among people , see most of the Hollywood block busters are borrowing ideas from mythology of the world.😊

Keshav Srinivasan

6:08 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan There's two separate issues. The 2018 budget will probably pass the Senate. The Republican healthcare bill will almost certainly not pass the Senate.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yes 👍👍👍

S S

I too have changed the profile picture. Check my profile here

Tezz

@SS Oh! nice Profile Picture..... 😀😀

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Yes. The conservation of those stories is necessary by keeping interest among people. Wise man will recognize symbolic nature gradually.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Yes , exactly , the learned one will extract the real meaning from them & will share among others , The stories are just a sweet shell which is protecting inside knowledge which is editable nectar.

Pandya

6:23 AM

@SS you may utilize the one-boxing feature to express effectively:

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Lakshmi Narayanan

6:40 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan sorry, i got confused, i meant to say that the 2018 budget will also not likely pass in its current form

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Are there gov. hospitals in US ? like here every district and metropolitan city is having their own hospital's run by Gov.of India & municipal corporations where even advance medical services are far more cheaper than private hospitals ⛑🚑

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar around 1/5 of the Hospitals in USA are public hospitals and their distribution across the country is not even as well. Most of the Healthcare is paid for through Insuring yourself and family through various schemes through the Market Insurance system. This is currently a topic of intense debate with what the people want once informed is usually a single-payer healthcare where people pay the state some tax in return for full coverage of healthcare for the residents.

Yogi

6:55 AM

@Pandya Did you create this bot?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar The single payer healthcare option is similar to our public hospital system in that we also pay for public hospitals' cost through the tax at the state level.

Pandya

@Yogi Bhargav Rao wrote minimal/initial java code for me: github.com/SOBotics/Citation-Detector. I am running my bot based on it. I've updated the code bit.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah ,I have heard abt.this insurance system but don't know how it functions are these private insurance companies? and yes i was exactly about to ask what u said ,what abt.the tax people paying and why these facilities are not offered through existing tax people r paying? 😊

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar So the way it works is that there is a free market that is regulated by the government in which insurance companies participate in. There are mandates set by the government which stipulate certain conditions of coverage and prerequisites to who can enter the coverage and how to segregate coverage pools and most importantly, rules around setting premiums. There is a heated battle between Republicans who are trying to push the American Healthcare Act which is up for vote in the Senate...

@SwiftPushkar ...and will not likely pass in its current form. The last Democratic President, Barack Obama passed a landmark legislation informally called Obamacare that sparked the ire of certain elements in the Republican party which has led upto the current form of the American Healthcare Act.

@SwiftPushkar The reason why single payer healthcare which sounds perfect but isn't implemented is due to lobbying in Washington by Parties whose interests align with keeping the Healthcare system unregulated and in the control of these Interests

SwiftPushkar

7:18 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - oh ok , got some idea , but my question is what healthcare facilities a US citizen gets with the tax he is existingly paying💵💲➡💊💉

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Only Public Hospitals are funded through tax payer money, which as i said previously represents maybe 20% of all hospitals but that in my opinion is also an overestimate. Moreover, these public hospitals are predominantly present in wealthier areas of the country. So depending on where you are - your taxes currently paid can help get you no coverage to full coverage depending on your condition.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - oh ok , and are there any gov.welfare schemes like we do have here , like for girls , women who are from low to middle income group? or are disable for , farmers etc

Lakshmi Narayanan

7:34 AM

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@SwiftPushkar Check out ^

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah , after lunch 😀 me hungry 👄 🍱🍲🍚🍛 will be 🔙 after finishing my food , Stay Tuned 📻

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar haha sure

SwiftPushkar

8:51 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - I am having a doubt about meicare Part A - its almost free for people who are above 65 ,but the author say's no one gets it ? How come🚫 seek to 2.30

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar No he says almost noone doesn't get it which means almost everyone gets it

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - 😀😀😀 Ok 👍👍

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SS Hi

S S

@LakshmiNarayanan o/

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Your english is of very high standard 👍👍 I think most user's here were at english medium schools. And one interesting things about we maharasrian's is , unlike south indian people we are poor in english.😂😂💱

S S

8:59 AM

May 5 at 10:47, by anuvaramban

@SreeCharan Hi, I am actually qualified by British Council to teach English :P

SwiftPushkar

@SS - WoW 👌👍👏👏🙏 👈 @LakshmiNarayanan

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Thank you, you are very kind. I haven't noticed this disparity between standard of English you claim exists between South and North. Although I would say that we don't share a common Language like North India does so that could possibly be the reason if this is the case.

@SwiftPushkar btw I personally didn't know English before class 6. In fact, I only started reading children's english story books in Class 6 :)

@SS Did you watch Coherence?

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Hmm , but generally South indians are well versed in english ,but the fact is that even they know Hindi they refuse to use or talk in it. When I asked a address to a young policeman in mallapore in english , he presuming that i am talking in Hindi refused to answer and said no hindi😂😂

S S

@LakshmiNarayanan Coherence? I didn't watch it. Is it your favourite movie?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@RohitSinghRathore I just remembered, since you said you like Quantum Mechanics, you should watch this movie called "Coherence"

S S

9:04 AM

I will watch it soon.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SS No we discussed the other day, that's why i asked. It is a pretty good sci fi movie :)

S S

May 20 at 18:38, by Rohit Singh Rathore

Ghanta

@RohitSinghRathore Really laughing out loud.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah me too from 5 class & studied in Marathi Medium school

S S

@LakshmiNarayanan I will watch it then.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Yeah, TN even had agitations in the 60s when they tried to make Hindi mandatory in Schools in South India. It is a matter of pride to profess ignorance in Hindi in TN and to a lesser extent other South States.

@SwiftPushkar See the Central Power of the Government is located so far North that it is perceived as a cultural defense mechanism used to guard the Interests of the South Indians in South India. I think we should personally teach Hindi and the respective State Language in each State. That is necessary to preserve our Diverse Culture of Languages for future.

SwiftPushkar

9:09 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - Anyway my english has improved a significantly since i joined here , otherwise I wasn't writing any english other than mails before😀

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Your English is good, you are openminded about improving it as well so i'm sure you will reach the target you set for yourself in this :)

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yes and a singular medium for cultural exchange also , it's easy to speak & ours too

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar I want to ask, if that compulsory language is Sanskrit instead of Hindi, do you think North states will unanimously agree?

@SS Nice, i'm interested in hearing your review!

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - BTW , I have heard from lot's of english audiobooks also , so i almost know , how English is differently is spoken in the world , pranounsation differences etc.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar wow can you speak in different accents? I have tried speaking with a British Accent, i just can't manage it lol

Why Are American Health Care Costs So High?

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SwiftPushkar

9:16 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - No nobody will , nobody cares about sanskrit , its difficult & parties are using issue of regional languages for their own benifits , Currently a big dispute is going on among MH & karnataka on language , Karnataka banned Marathi in adjesent region , and 😀 people wrote jai Maharashtra on karnataka state transport buses which were in MH 😂😂🚌🚍🚐

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar This is the kind of hypocrisy southerners don't respond well to. The Idea is perceived here usually that Hindi is not advanced as a language for National Unity but as a method to impose North Culture on South - incidents like this are result of this. This will change with time but it will be best to revive a neutral and technically superior language like Sanskrit. This was status quo before Colonisation. As you said, Politics is more important these days so this is unlikely to work.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Do check librivox.com site it's having ton's of audiobooks on diverse topics , and we can here different accent's of the recorders who are from varios countries , we have 2-3 recorders from infia also ,who freely contributed on audiobooks😊

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar are you sure that's the right link?

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah , I do agree with you but as i said the problem is regional politics & people still think that this is brahmnical language so they deliberately refuse that ,not knowing that is our national heritage

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SS what does Ghanta mean?

@SwiftPushkar let us not lose hope, H.SE serves as an island of hope and repository of knowledge in the ocean of uninformed polemics and lazy ignorance.

SwiftPushkar

9:26 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - it's a kind of negative word , showing denial to one's views or making opposition , generally used in close friends , but not a very appropriate one here😀 @SS

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Oh ok.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah , Modi gov.is also doing well in that direction ,but public response is weak & very few intrested in learning Sanskrit because everybody wants a fat pay , and not a pay of a Sanskrit proffesor 👳👳

@LakshmiNarayanan - Sorry it is .org not .com - librivox.org

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Then we need better incentives, more funding for Sanskrit departments in Universities, more translation work and active research grants in Sanskrit, better facilities and international collaboration oppurtunities, marriage of Archaeology and language studies, museum renovation and improvements and new museums etc,. I think the problem is with will power behind desire, projection of desire alone is not enough by governments and politicians in general.

@SwiftPushkar Thanks, i will check it out.

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - Also one problem is it's hard to learn and one has to practice Sanskrit for long years to become a pundit , we simply aren't willing to do that much hard work & don't have that patience & selflessness , KALIYUGA EFFECT 👹👹

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar True, although I think when you are young it is much easier to pick up. When a language is spoken on a regular basis around children, they end up becoming fluent in it - so CATCH THEM YOUNG should be motto of all these efforts to revive Sanskrit.

Mattur

Mattur (or Mathur) is a village in the Shimoga district near the city of Shivamogga in Karnataka state, India, known for the usage of Sanskrit for day-to-day communication, although the general language of the state is Kannada. Mattur has a temple of Rama, a Shivalaya, Someshwara temple and Lakshmikeshava temple. Mattur's twin village, Hosahalli, shares almost all the qualities of Mattur. Hosahalli is situated across the bank of the Tunga River. These two villages are almost always referred to together. Mattur and Hosahalli are known for their efforts to support Gamaka art, which is a unique form...

SwiftPushkar

9:37 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan - Surprisengly we can blame kali-yuga for almost all of our faults , failure's , mistakes & greeds , I think that is a nice & easy excuse 😀😀 @Tezz @TheDestroyer @SS @TriyugiNarayanMani @KeshavSrinivasan @LakshmiNarayanan 😤😬👉 👹

@LakshmiNarayanan - Yeah 😊👍👍

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar Kali Yuga may come and go but Bhaktas are forever ;)

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@SwiftPushkar Its great weapon :-0

SwiftPushkar

@LakshmiNarayanan - haha yes , but that was kind a joke i made , since we often blame lot's of things to kali 😂

@TriyugiNarayanMani - haha 😀👍👍

Lakshmi Narayanan

@SwiftPushkar lol me too!

The Destroyer

@SS lol. Really laughing loud.

@SS even this message is funny.

May 20 at 18:26, by Rohit Singh Rathore

You're nonsense. You're asking questions & not letting us to answer. Okey describe consciousness.

SwiftPushkar

9:48 AM

@TheDestroyer - 😂 😀

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar i discussed the same in other room.

in Agama and Tantra, 42 mins ago, by Rakesh Joshi

i m saying that this mentality of "god wish" and "kaliyuga dominance" has hurt hindus much

In the historical evolution of the Agama-s, there have been several views over time -

a) Agama-s are derived from the vedas,
b) Agama and veda are both derived from a common root or mUla-veda,
c) Agama-s are inferior to, and less authoritative than the veda, and
d) Agama-s are superior to veda

@KeshavSrinivasan Do Sri Vaishnavas believe in "a"?

ibiblio.org/sripedia/kbhtml/Agamas.html

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - hmm 👍👍

SwiftPushkar

10:12 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan - Excellent writing , I like your style of explaining difficult things in simplifying manner , in fact ,we get some unknown IMP info. from your messages too ,which is quite useful - Like vyasa is the founder of Vedanta school ,which i wasn't aware of 😊👍👍👌🍫

Rakesh Joshi

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@SS @TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta

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Lakshmi Narayanan

10:39 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan In your writeup, in point 5 i.e., on Purva Mimamsa, you say, "They might phrase things in that way, though, because they were skeptical of a lot of things most of us take for granted" I think you meant to say: They might NOT phrase things...for granted

Pandya

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Sanskrit Language

Proposed Q&A site for linguists, etymologists and all others interested in learning more about the Sanskrit language.

Currently in definition.

The old one is closed. Someone has re-created! You may join if interested.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan some other edit: "Vishnu is an incarnation of Vishnu" -> "Vishnu is an incarnation of Rama"

@Pandya Why was it closed?

Pandya

11:01 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan Visit faq: (There are some criteria)

@LakshmiNarayanan area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5798/…

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Me also got 2 downvotes over there 😀👎👎

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar are you talking about old one?

Lakshmi Narayanan

@Pandya I see, i will try to spread word among people who i know know sanskrit about the new site.

Pandya

@LakshmiNarayanan It can help site to grow! Thanks.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - No but , i didn't see any difference , my message is still there in new 👍 Its on the link you have provided

@Pandya - My profile got retained , somehow

Pandya

11:32 AM

@SwiftPushkar your example question is on old proposal area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/98070/sanskrit-language/….

You can contribute to new proposal :)

@SwiftPushkar oh! I think it may be bug.

Your profile shows followed to new proposal but new proposal doesn't list you.

@SwiftPushkar Are you able to add an example question or vote on existing question on new proposal?

S S

12:41 PM

@RakeshJoshi That's nice

@RakeshJoshi New profile picture!

And a good one too.

Keshav Srinivasan

1:59 PM

@Pandya Can you add a feature to your bot, where it gives a notifiation that it has been 1 week or 2 weeks since an answer was requested to cite sources?

Keshav Srinivasan

2:09 PM

@LakshmiNarayanan Thanks, I fixed those two things.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan cool, How were you able to paste such a long message in a single post, it says, "This message is too long" for me!

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan First of all, if you're on a desktop computer there's some kind of key combination you can use to post a long message. Second of all, if you paste a message that has a line break somewhere in it, it will be able to be posted as a long message.

@LakshmiNarayanan Here is an example of the latter technique. I am going to post a very long message right now. The message will be posted in a language called English, which derives its name from a Germanic tribe called the Angles, but really ought to derive its name from two Germanic tribes, the Angles and the Saxons, which are said to have invaded Britain in the early days of early post-Roman Britain when King Arthur is said to have ruled. But English is not just of Anglo-Saxon origin; it also has a heavy influence of French, because the Norman king William the Conqueror conquered Eng…

@LakshmiNarayanan I was able to post it because I skipped a line and then wrote an underscore.

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok, got it.

The Destroyer

@LakshmiNarayanan make text into more than one paragraphs

Lakshmi Narayanan

2:26 PM

@TheDestroyer ok thanks

Keshav Srinivasan

2:41 PM

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I just posted a King Arthur question on History.SE inspired by my comment to you:

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Q: Was England called England in the days of King Arthur?

King Arthur is a legendary king who is said to have ruled Britain in the early days of post-Roman Britain. Now Thomas Malory's famous novel "La Morte D'Arthur" puts the following inscription on the stone that Arthur pulls the sword out of: "Whoso pulleth out this sword of this stone and anvil is...

middle-ages germany england united-kingdom

Lakshmi Narayanan

2:57 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan haha

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan can you bit clear? Currently the bot traces a comment as it made.

Keshav Srinivasan

3:58 PM

@Pandya What I mean is, a message that says "Two weeks ago, there was a request for sources on this answer. Please check whether the answer has been fixed or further action is required."

@Pandya But I suppose that may be unnecessary, as people can just scroll up in the chat room.

SwiftPushkar

4:24 PM

@Pandya - Yeah , I followed that one today , but before following that my previous reputation point's my question remained the same 👍

S S

4:56 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan Atleast there are people on other sites who can write accepted answers to your questions. 😆

Keshav Srinivasan

5:21 PM

@SS Haha

The Destroyer

5:39 PM

8 hours ago, by The Destroyer

In the historical evolution of the Agama-s, there have been several views over time -

a) Agama-s are derived from the vedas,
b) Agama and veda are both derived from a common root or mUla-veda,
c) Agama-s are inferior to, and less authoritative than the veda, and
d) Agama-s are superior to veda

8 hours ago, by The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Do Sri Vaishnavas believe in "a"?

@KeshavSrinivasan

@Pandya you may be interested in it.

Keshav Srinivasan

5:57 PM

@TheDestroyer The short answer is it's complicated. We basically believe in some combination of a, b, and c.

@TheDestroyer We partially agree with A insofar as the Pancharatra Agamas have a relation to the Ekayana Shakha of the Shukla Yajur Veda. We partially agree with B insofar as we do believe in the concept of Mula Veda. And we partially agree with C insofar as we believe that if Agamas and Vedas conflict you should go with Vedas. And we strongly disagree with D.

@TheDestroyer For more information see Yamunacharya's Agama Pramanya.

Keshav Srinivasan

6:11 PM

@SS By the way, I'm going on a King Arthur spree, I've now posted questions on King Arthur on three different Stackexchange sites.

Keshav Srinivasan

7:49 PM

@LakshmiNarayanan By the way, I told you before that the Purva Mimamsa school believes that the existence of the soul does not require scripture to establish, and that Adi Shankaracharya believes that the Purva Mimamsa school took their logical argument regarding this from the Brahma Sutras. At least that's what he says in his Brahma Sutra Bhashya. But in his Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Bhashya, he says that the existence of the soul DOES require scripture to establish. See my question here:

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Q: Does Adi Shankaracharya believe the existence of the soul requires scripture to establish?

In Hindu philosophy there are three main Pramanas or valid means of knowledge: Pratyaksha or sensory perception, Anumana or inference, and Shabda or revelation/scripture. And there is a hierarchy of these Pramanas: Anumana is only applicable to those things which cannot be known through Pratyaks...

philosophy vedanta atma adi-shankaracharya brahma-sutras

Lakshmi Narayanan

8:22 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan Which one do you think is to be taken as his final word?

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan I'm not sure how to reconcile these two quotes, they seem to be directly contradicting each other.

Lakshmi Narayanan

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Q: propitiation rituals for the Pitrs - redemption for breaks

What happens if there is a break in the propitiation of Pitrs(ancestors) in patrilineal lineage? Are subsequent generations affected adversely? How so? Supposing there is a minimum of one generation gap in the performance of these rituals, what are the Prāyaścitta to be pursued to redeem the sit...

scripture rituals pitru

@SwiftPushkar @SS @Yogi @Pandya @TheDestroyer @Tezz @All Please give this question a try!

@KeshavSrinivasan Does AdiShankaracharya take opposing stance anywhere else in such a fashion? Maybe there is a connection.

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah, I have identified one other instance of this, in my question here:

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Q: How do Sri Vaishnavas interpret the "Vedas are not Vedas" quote in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad?

In Hindu philosophy there are three main Pramanas or valid means of knowledge: Pratyaksha or sensory evidence, Anumana or reasoning, and Shabda or revelation/scripture. But as I discuss in this question, Advaitins believe that these Pramanas are only valid in the perspective of someone still liv...

philosophy vedanta sri-vaishnava adi-shankaracharya brihadaranyaka-upanishad

@LakshmiNarayanan That too is a case where his Brahma Sutra Bhashya and his Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Bhashya seem to contradict one another.

Lakshmi Narayanan

8:37 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan let me read both together, there might be more than a cosmetic connection!

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