Vedanta and Philosophy

2:33 AM

@TheDestroyer actually I was reading Griha Sutras and Shrauta Sutras... then I have to search something... finally I ended in downloading Tirumantrim.... I directly scrolled to about half of pdf... there I found very mystical phrases... then I began to read from beginning... but I was unable to understand the 1st verse itself... haha😀😀

@TheDestroyer i didn't even knew that writer of Tirumantrim is Tirumular... he is among 63 Nayanars, 18 Siddhars etc... latter I read about his biography in shortcut...

Pandya

> अष्टवर्षेचतुर्वेदी, द्वादशेसर्वशास्त्रवित्
षोडशेकृतवान्भाष्यम्द्वात्रिंशेमुनिरभ्यगात्

Tezz

@Pandya haha you frequently write this verse.

Pandya

Adi Shankaracharya Jayanti

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Tezz

@Pandya Oh ... today is Adi Shankara Jayanti?...

Pandya

@Tezz Yes. ^^ /cc @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar

Tezz

2:42 AM

@Pandya Oh... Happy Adi Shankara Jayanti... 😀😀😀😀😀

Pandya

Vedanta Reformer

@Tezz I think He was the first who emphasized Prashthanatrayi

Btw,

> नारायणं पद्मभुवं वशिष्ठं शक्तिं च तत्पुत्रं पराशरं च व्यासं शुकं गौडपादं महान्तं गोविन्दयोगीन्द्रं अथास्य शिष्यम् ।
श्री शंकराचार्यं अथास्य पद्मपादं च हस्तामलकं च शिष्यम् तं तोटकं वार्त्तिककारमन्यान् अस्मद् गुरून् सन्ततमानतोऽस्मि ॥

> सदाशिवसमारम्भां शङ्कराचार्यमध्यमाम् ।
अस्मदाचार्य पर्यन्तां वन्दे गुरुपरम्पराम् ॥

Full Sri Guru Parampara Stotram - Sringeri:

> शुद्धस्फटिकसंकाशं शुद्धविद्याप्रदायकम् ।
शुद्धं पूर्णं चिदानन्दं **सदाशिवमहं** श्रये ॥१॥

> सीमातीतमनाद्यन्तं नामोच्चारणभेषजम् ।
कामिताशेषफलदं **श्रीमद्विष्णुमहं** श्रये ॥२ ||

> योगि हृत्पद्मनिलयं नतजीवहिते रतम् ।
श्रुतीनां जन्मभूमिं त्वां **चतुर्मुखमहं** श्रये ॥३॥

> प्रसमाहितमत्यन्तं प्रथिमामिततेजसम् ।
वशीकृतपरानन्दं **वसिष्ठं** गुरुमाश्रये ॥४॥

> शुक्तौ रूप्यमिवाभाति यद्रूपं मयि कल्पितम् ।
शक्त्या परि तं येन **शक्तिं** तं गुरुमाश्रये ॥५॥

> करणातीतचिद्रूपं परिपूर्णं परायणम् ।
परमानन्दसंतुष्टं **पराशरमहं** श्रये ॥६॥

> **वेदव्यासं** स्वात्मरूपं सत्यसन्धं परायणम् ।
शान्तं जितेन्द्रियक्रोधं सशिष्यं प्रणमाम्यहम् ॥७॥

> त्रिकालातीतचिन्मात्रप्रशान्तस्वान्तसंयुतम् ।
विकाराद्यैरसंस्पृष्टं **शुकं** गुरुमहं श्रये ॥८॥

> गूढा माया यस्य वाक्यैर्व्रीडिता विलयं गता ।
क्रीडन्तं विद्यया सार्धं **गौडपादं** तमाश्रये ॥९॥

> जीवेशभेदरहितं नाविकं भववारिधेः ।
भावाभावविदूरस्थं **गोविन्दं** गुरुमाश्रये ॥१०॥

> शङ्कारूपेण मच्चित्तं पङ्कीकृतमभूद्यया ।
किङ्करी यस्य सा माया ***शङ्कराचार्य***माश्रये ॥११॥

Keshav Srinivasan

3:09 AM

@Tezz Your Tirumular question is interesting. Let me see if I can find an answer. By the way, I posted a question about Tirumular here:

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Q: Did the Shavite poet Tirumular believe new souls could be created?

The term "Shaivite" is overused nowadays. For instance, Iyer Brahmins are often called Shaivites, but they're actually followers of Adi Shankaracharya's Smartha sect (which I discuss here and here), and simply adopt Shiva as their Ishta Devata. True philosophical Shaivism is relatively rare nowad...

@Pandya Oh that's a nice Stotram. Do you know who composed it?

Pandya

Btw, advaitasharada.sringeri.net you may not have visited yet. @Tezz @TheDestroyer

Tezz

@Pandya wow that full stotra is very nice...

@KeshavSrinivasan I think that is just misintrepretation... because in Tirumantrim Tirumular clearly says.. 'Pashu are eternal'... as Pashu means soul.. which denotes soul is also eternal...

SwiftPushkar

3:29 AM

@TheDestroyer - Namaskaram , Shubha dinam , Actually the question title was edited yesterday after my answer ,and i haven't noticed that ,anyway ,will try to give another answer 😊

Keshav Srinivasan

3:43 AM

@Tezz Maybe eternal means "living forever into the future", not "having already lived forever".

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - yes 🙏

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz By the way, if you really want to understand the details of Shaiva Siddhanta philosophy I suggest you read K. Sivaraman's book "Shaivism in Philosophical Perspective". archive.org/details/…

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - Nice question , is there similar concept in vaishnavism , like something higher than para vasudeva etc , just curious @Tezz - hmm nice find , grt.ans👍👍💐

Keshav Srinivasan

@SwiftPushkar No, Sri Vaishnavas believe Para Vasudeva is the highest.

SwiftPushkar

@KeshavSrinivasan - ok 😊

Keshav Srinivasan

3:55 AM

@SwiftPushkar Although the user Parthasarathy Raghavan, who is a Sri Vaishnava, apparently believes that Narasimha is superior to Para Vasudeva. But I don't know if that's just an idiosyncratic belief or if there's a sizable population of Sri Vaishnavas who believe that Narasimha is supreme. I've certainly never met any Sri Vaishnavas who consider Narasimha supreme.

@SwiftPushkar However I have heard some Sri Vaishnavas make the claim that Narasimha is the greatest incarnation of Vishnu. That's because Rama took two years to rescue Sita, Krishna took 8 and a half years or whatever to rescue his parents, but Narasimha rescued Prahlada immediately when he needed him.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan oh.. it's 138 mb... I can't download it now... I'll download latter..

@SwiftPushkar Thank you!... 😀😀😀

SwiftPushkar

4:17 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan -Ohh , ok , I wasn't knowing this thing 👍👍 here i know some families whoes family deity is Narasihma , and it's believed that very strict upasna is needed in case of Narasihma as he ia very fierce deity.But i didn't knew that they believe Narasihma is supreme 😊

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz OK, here it is in a smaller file size: gdurl.com/l7xP/download

@Tezz Tell me if it's still too big.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok.. Thank You... it's fine size now...

Sree Charan

4:56 AM

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan @Pandya @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @KrishnShweta @Yogi Today is Shankara Jayanti.

Tezz

@SreeCharan yes Pandya reminded me before..... Happy Adi Shankara Jayanti... 😀😀😀😀

SwiftPushkar

5:39 AM

@SreeCharan - Yes 👍 @TheDestroyer @Tezz @SreeCharan - youtu.be/qLdUesiPSb0

@Pandya - n all youtu.be/OMaPRuCelkc

Tezz

5:59 AM

@SwiftPushkar Yes, I had already watched 1st video.... It's nice..

SwiftPushkar

6:20 AM

@Yogi - Charam shloka ⬇😊👍👍

@Tezz - ok 💐

Shree Rama said:

सकृर्देव प्रपन्नाय थवास्मॆति च याचते
अभयं सर्वभूतेब्यो ढढाभ्येतत् व्रतं मम

Sakrud eva prapannaaya tavaasmeeti ca yaacate lAbhayam sarva bhootebhyo dadaamyetad vratam ma-ma ll

To all those beings that fully seek My shelter and plead for My mercy, and say I am yours, I shall certainly offer My protection to all of them. This is My vow.

@Yogi - 3 are listed in blogs , I will try to find sources for the same , I think the above shloka might br from Valmiki Ramayana , the 3 rd shloka is of Varaha and might be from Varaha purana😊👍👍

SwiftPushkar

6:41 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan - surprisingly your answer and my comment came at exactly same time ,😀

Yogi

10:31 AM

@SwiftPushkar Thanks! :D Keshava already answered that Question.

@SreeCharan Yeah and Tomorrow is TiruNakshatram!

Sree Charan

11:18 AM

@Tezz There is a close vote on your question.

Will you Edit that question? Anything like "Are there any commentaries available on tirumantiram"? Would be fine @Tezz

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan It's not opinion based question.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Yes. It is not. Someone casted a close vote

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan i think Rakesh.

SwiftPushkar

@Yogi - Ho , Ani kai re , aaj kaal ekdam serious 😶 kya baat hai 😀

SwiftPushkar

12:15 PM

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Q: Were pandavas and kauravas reborn after their death?

If yes means what were they born as? Somewhere I heard that Arjuna reincarnated as kannappa nayanar in Kali yuga. Whether this is true?

mahabharata

Possible duplicate of ⬇⬇

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Q: What happened to Pandavas in future lives?

Did the Pandavas eventually take rebirth? If they did, who were they and what happened to them?

mahabharata

Yogi

12:51 PM

@SwiftPushkar Kothe Serious re! Just chilling around... :D

Tezz

@SreeCharan I don't think there is any need to edit the question... also I have no idea who casted close vote...

SwiftPushkar

@Yogi - Mag thik aahe 😀👍👍🍫 Mala watle tase , keep it up 👏

Tezz

3:50 PM

@TheDestroyer did you watch Bahubali today?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I'm going to watch it today. How was it?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer How did you find it?...

The Destroyer

4:10 PM

@Tezz find what?

@KeshavSrinivasan Good. Story was normal. But Rajamouli's direction and narration was good. Also, VFX.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I mean how was Bahubali... haha..

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Was it better than the first one?

@TheDestroyer The first one was the first Indian movie I've seen which had Hollywood-level production values.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan According to me, not so great when compared to first one. But worth watch for VFX and production values.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Does it have religious content like the Shivalingam scene in the first movie? That was my favorite scene in the movie.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. It does have many scenes. First scene itself is about Religious ritual. You can see tall Ganesha. There's song on Krishna and Climax there was Shiva Linga and Shiva (Mahendra Bahubali) besmears his body with Bhasma/ Vibhudi.

@KeshavSrinivasan Did you watch trailer?

Keshav Srinivasan

4:17 PM

@TheDestroyer Yeah, I did. It looked good.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer Shiva Tandava stotra short is also played in last....
Around... Jata kataaa hasambhrama...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. When he touches Sphatika Shiva Linga.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yeah...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Btw, Keeravani (Music Director) wrote a song on Rajamouli. Keeravani is cousin brother of Rajamouli.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha... in which language... ?..

The Destroyer

4:22 PM

@Tezz He replaced Shiva Tandava Song telugu lyrics and compared Nandi with Rajamouli.

Rajamouli Cries on Stage || Keeravani Superb Song on Rajamouli || #Baahubali2 Pre Release Function

►

Tezz

@TheDestroyer but there is no Nandi in Shiva Tandava Stotram...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Telugu lyrics has Nandi. It says "who lifted thee, is he Nandi? It seems Shiva's Wish , Linga is walking towards Ganga (on Nandi))"

He compared Prabhas with Nandi.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok...

The Destroyer

@Tezz So, Keeravani replaces Prabhas with Rajamouli. And say "who directed Baahubali? WHo is this Nandi? With Shiva's blessings, all his movies were blockbusters".. He modified the lyrics..

See that video.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok... I just watched that video... but do not understand the language... haha...

The Destroyer

4:30 PM

@Tezz Yeah. It is in telugu. It was during Audio release event in Hyderabad. Rajamouli's ista Deva is Shiva.

@KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz His next project is Mahabharata with 1000 cr budget.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh Ok...

@TheDestroyer Is Aamir Khan playing in that... ?...

@TheDestroyer movie or series... ?

The Destroyer

@Tezz Don't know. But North actors can't dedicate their time. It may take more than 5 years lol.

Prabhas invested 5 years for Baahubali movie. Who can do that?

@Tezz I hope he shouldn't act in Mahabharata. He insulted Lord Shiva and Hindu Gods in Pk movie.

@Tezz 2-part movie.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yeah... he shouldn't play...

The Destroyer

@Tezz I think Rajamouli chooses Telugu actor as Sri Krishna. Amir Khan at any cost shouldn't act as Sri Krishna. It's insult to Krishna.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer how will he finish Mahabharata in just 2 movies...?

@TheDestroyer Yeah... he can act as Duryodhana though... 😀😀

The Destroyer

4:38 PM

@Tezz NTR's grandson jr.Ntr is good, as his grandfather was known for potrayal of Krishna, but jr NTR may not be suitable as he is not tall. But i'm not sure, whom Rajamouli chooses as Krishna.

@Tezz i'm not sure how many parts the movie comprises.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer is he who played as Krishna in Ramananda Krishna series?..

Rickross

@TheDestroyer sv will certainly have objections with the MB movie. BORI factor.

Tezz

@Rickross haha lol...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. Haha.

Rickross

@Tezz NO Shikhandi. Duryodhana is afterall Viryavana ( Valorous, Virile)

The Destroyer

4:41 PM

@Rickross Sv actually became atheist after reading Mahabharata. Quite shocking.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer OHk haha.

Tezz

@Rickross also Iravati effect... haha...

Rickross

D

The Destroyer

N. T. Rama Rao

Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao (Telugu: నందమూరి తారక రామా రావు; 28 May 1923 – 18 January 1996), popularly known as NTR, was an Indian actor, filmmaker, director, editor and politician who served as Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh for seven years over three terms. NTR has received three National Film Awards for co-producing Thodu Dongalu (1954) and Seetharama Kalyanam (1960) under National Art Theater, Madras, and directing Varakatnam (1970), NTR has received the erstwhile Rashtrapati Awards for his performance(s) in the films Raju Peda (1954), and Lava Kusa (1963). He garnered the Nandi Award for Best...

@Tezz

Tezz

@Rickross actually he is not worth of playing any Mahabharata character who saw Krishna... haha...

The Destroyer

4:42 PM

He is known for potraying Krishna in Telugu movies.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer Yes i know him.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer wow... he looks real...

Rickross

@Tezz Haha.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. My grandfather's generation wouldn't believe if real Krishna comes to them, unless he looked similar to NTR.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha...

Keshav Srinivasan

4:45 PM

@Tezz NTR became chief minister of Andhra Pradesh based on people thinking of him as Krishna/Vishnu.

@TheDestroyer I don't know why he limits himself to two parts. He should make the Mahabharata a trilogy or longer.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. Not exactly for that. At his time, Corruption was rampant and state was underdeveloped. He was good orator. But he was one of best chief ministers of Andhra, though he had caste feeling.

@KeshavSrinivasan I don't know exactly, whether it is 2-part or not.

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan wow!... interesting...!!!!!!!

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I think a big part of the reason was people having a mental association between him and Krishna/Vishnu. At least that's what my Telugu family members tell me.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. That's also a reason. Maybe that is what made people to vote him.

@KeshavSrinivasan In Andhra, rivalry is between two castes. Reddys and Kammas (chowdaries). he belonged to Kamma. Congress was/is full of Reddys. His party was first regional party to rule Andhra long time after independence.

@KeshavSrinivasan Did you watch PK movie?

anuvaramban

5:01 PM

Guys!

Check out sriperumbudurramanujar1000.tnhrce.in

just 1.5 hours to go until SriBhashyakArar's ThiruNakshatram
@KeshavSrinivasan @SreeCharan @Yogi @SwiftPushkar @Pandya @TheDestroyer @Tezz

The Destroyer

"I want to know about the rebirth of all pandavas and kauravas. Not just Arjuna." haha.

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Q: Were pandavas and kauravas reborn after their death?

If yes means what were they born as? Somewhere I heard that Arjuna reincarnated as kannappa nayanar in Kali yuga. Whether this is true? I want to know about the rebirth of all pandavas and kauravas. Not just Arjuna.

mahabharata

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan @SwiftPushkar @SreeCharan @Pandya

@anuvaramban I heard about Sriperumbadur when i was in Chennai. Btw, when is Ramanujacharya's jayanti?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha lol... I too laughed when I saw that edit... haha...

@anuvaramban what is that...?

anuvaramban

It starts in 1.5 hours approx @TheDestroyer

@Tezz SriRamanujAcharya's 1000th Birthday! :D

Tezz

@anuvaramban Oh ok... Happy Sri Ramanujacharya Jayanti....

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban ohh.. Adi Shankararya and Ramanujacharya were born in Vaishaka month and that too on successive days.

anuvaramban

5:15 PM

@TheDestroyer He was born on Thiruvaadirai in Chithirai month. Vaishaka may be another term for the same month? I don't know @KeshavSrinivasan Please clarify

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban I think Tamilnadu follows Solar calendar.

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer yeah, it is a Solar calendar but LuniSolar also followed for certain things.

Keshav Srinivasan

@anuvaramban It says 10 hours 44 minutes, not 1.5 hours.

anuvaramban

@KeshavSrinivasan That's because they haven't adjusted for GMT-10:30 for you.

Keshav Srinivasan

@anuvaramban Vaikasi is Vaikhakha: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_calendar#Months

The Destroyer

5:21 PM

@anuvaramban As per lunar calendar, month is named after star which appears on Purnima. In this month, Star vishakha appears on full moon day, so it is named as Vaishaka masa.

Keshav Srinivasan

@anuvaramban I don't understand, so are you saying that the website shows different times for the two of us, or are you saying it shows 10 hours 44 minutes for you also?

anuvaramban

@KeshavSrinivasan It shows one hour 10 minutes now. So it is taking into account your system clock but assuming you are in India.

@TheDestroyer Interesting, so the LuniSolar calendar will oscillate w.r.t the solar calendar and vice versa.

Keshav Srinivasan

@anuvaramban OK, so when will Ramnujacharya's 1000th birthday be for me in America?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan How are tamil months named?

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Most of the months have some resemblance to their Sanskrit names.

anuvaramban

5:28 PM

@KeshavSrinivasan When the ThiruVaadirai Star rises on the horizon for you. I'm not sure how you can calculate that with Panchangam done for your location but that's how it's done.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan but it's interesting they are also named after Nakshatras. But some names are different in tamil.

drikpanchang.com/tutorials/nakshatra/nakshatra.html

Keshav Srinivasan

@anuvaramban It looks like it already started last night for me: drikpanchang.com/hindu-saints/ramanuja/…

Keshav Srinivasan

5:52 PM

@Tezz I just posted a question about the book "Shavism in Philosophical Perspective":

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Q: What are the Shaivite sects classified as the ingroup of Shaiva Siddhanta?

The term "Shaivite" is overused nowadays. For instance, Iyer Brahmins are often called Shaivites, but they're actually followers of Adi Shankaracharya's Smartha sect (which I discuss here and here), and simply adopt Shiva as their Ishta Devata. True philosophical Shaivism is relatively rare nowad...

philosophy shaivism sects agamas shaiva-siddhanta

@TheDestroyer @Rickross @RakeshJoshi You guys may also be interested in it.

Yogi

6:23 PM

@anuvaramban

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