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12:00 AM
Should I vote +1 (Digital Trauma) or -1 (Downgoat)
 
Quill
Quill
@AlexA. I'm sure that's what it's like for you to moderate here, except that you just became one of the two year olds
put on a two-year old costume
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
:P
Nah, PPCG is actually a generally mature, well-behaved bunch.
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A: Should Community Moderators be "elected for life", or have terms?

DamienYeah, It should be 'for life'. I think this because: You would be effectively kicking out experienced moderators. It would also mean that the moderating 'team' is split once a year. Which is also undesirable. Moderating is pretty much the same person to person. Someone who is competent will n...

 
Quill
Quill
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Quill s/mature, //
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
@AlexA.: Backing you for mod
 
Quill
Quill
12:05 AM
Is Martin planning to run?
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
s/mod/friend(ly dictator)/
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@Quill I'm pretty sure he will, yes.
So this is what politicians feel like at debates.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
6 nominees and Martin and DK not even posted yet o.o
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
Doorknob said he'd do his tomorrow
 
Quill
Quill
@AquaTart throw some insults and you'll really understand
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
12:06 AM
@Quill Make PPCG great again
get all them code reviewers outta here
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Is there a way to permalink the comments on codegolf.stackexchange.com/election/1 ?
 
Quill
Quill
Which one of you is the PPCG election equivalent of Donald Trump?
@HelkaHomba Take a screenshot is the best I've got
unless someone wants to write a userscript
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@Quill I don't really think any of us are dumb or bombastic enough to qualify.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@Quill The one that wants to build a wall between PPCG and CR. You'd probly be deported :/
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
I wish I could change my name back to quartata, but apparently I have to wait two days.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
12:09 AM
>
> Glad you asked. PPCG is about to enter a critical stage of growth, and I feel that one of the key questions to how our growth will proceed is "how do we fit into the SE Q&A model?" That is why one of my major goals as moderator will be to help lead PPCG through this "self-discovery" time. – Aqua Tart
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
ermahgerd I've been noticed
 
Quill
Quill
@AquaTart ;-;
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
^@AquaTart I'm not sure what that means. What do we need to discover? Are you saying we need to fit better in the model?
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
@AquaTart My first draft started out something like that, with some jokes about how YUUUGE PPCG will start winning if I am elected. Then I bumped up against the 1200 limit all too quickly and realised Ok, this is a great exercise in information efficiency
@Quill To my horror, I realise I share the same initials. I hope the comparison ends there
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@HelkaHomba We don't have to fit into the model perfectly. But we have to weigh the fact that if we deviate too much from the model, we're going to (and indeed already have) alienate other SE users. This is bad because users from other SE sites are very important: they're probably going to be our biggest source of new users, and they're also armed with the association bonus which helps keeping voting from going stagnant
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
12:12 AM
@ZachGates :D <3
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
@AlexA. <3
You're such a nice guy, I don't think there's any way to replace you :)
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
I feel like this should be our checklist of things we should work on:
1. New kinds of puzzles/challenges
2. The possibility of non-challenge questions
 
Quill
Quill
@HelkaHomba Please hold this conversation on the election page so it can be seen more publicly
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
3. Relations with other SE sites
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@Quill In comments?
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
12:14 AM
4. Tools/snippets to make challenges more inviting and to facilitate more radical puzzle types
 
Quill
Quill
yes
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
I hope that helps clarify @HelkaHomba
 
Quill
Quill
7 mins ago, by Aqua Tart
get all them code reviewers outta here
I know they're jokes, but jokes become serious when they're told long enough
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@Quill Out of context...
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@HelkaHomba Where's that posted?
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
12:14 AM
I personally dislike the whole "alienate CR" joke. But you did ask what the PPCG equivalent of Trump would be....
 
Quill
Quill
@AlexA. on @AquaTart's candidate post in the comments
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@AquaTart Yep
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Oh okay
 
Quill
Quill
Although @AquaTart I think this "transition phase" of PPCG is a valid question for the upcoming moderator questionaire
you should add it
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@HelkaHomba I posted a link to that chat message in the comments
It's pretty difficult to articulate all this in 500-char comments and a 1200-char nomination summary.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
12:18 AM
@AquaTart I would argue that our "self-discovery" phase effectively ended when we graduated. We can still make some changes to how we do things, but we're more or less in our "final form" once we graduate.
 
Quill
Quill
@AquaTart it'd be logistically better if you posted a conversation instead of a link to a chat message
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I just figured even those comments are not for extended discussion
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@Quill Oops, right. fixing one second
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Last less official election, in case anyone wasn't here: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/5688/…
Now's your chance @PhiNotPi
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
> Comments are active during the length of the nomination phase – please comment freely, particularly if there is any way a nominee introduction can be improved or refined to be more clear.
 
Quill
Quill
12:23 AM
Less people are going to want to come to chat
if you want to show people what an awesome candidate you are, don't do it here
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
I know, but the question was asked here.
I would prefer to answer more important questions like that in the comments and use chat for more casual talk.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Or do it in both places
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
Uh-oh, I noticed a typo.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
There's no way to nominate others, correct?
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
No.
 
Quill
Quill
12:31 AM
There was a nomination meta on CR when we did ours
It didn't mean anything
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
I would nominate myself, but I am a... controversial... figure at PPCG.
 
Quill
Quill
besides the community showing support for certain individuals
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@MamaFunRoll if your nomination is in ASCII I might vote for you
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
^
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
@Downgoat You won't be voting for me then.
:)
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
12:33 AM
D:
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
>:)
Make Unicode great again!
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
Make PPCG great again!
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
Jokes aside, I'm very divided on whether I should run.
Very.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
No offence but I have a hunch our moderator set won't change
No matter who runs
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
@HelkaHomba Is your hunch more hunched than the Hunchback of Notre Dame?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
12:36 AM
I don't know, I've never met him.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
He's only quasi-moto.
 
Quill
Quill
Can we try to keep this room clear of noise guys
Elections are srs business
6 hours ago, by Grace Note
Welcome all! This room is intended as a place to converse with candidates, discuss moderator traits, etc. For general discussion related to Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, go here: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/240/the-nineteenth-byte
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
@MamaFunRoll I don't think you can run because of your suspension
 
Mama Fun Roll
Mama Fun Roll
@AquaTart "I would nominate myself, but I am a... controversial... figure at PPCG."
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
120
Q: Let's disallow nominations from people who've been suspended in the past year

Shog9Well, it's election season again. On sites all over the network, moderators are being selected from among the good folk willing to volunteer their time to help guide and support their communities. I'm proud to be part of a system that governs itself in this manner; for all of its inherent messine...

discussion election account-suspension feedback nominations
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
12:38 AM
A suspension has to be a year in the past, IIRC.
ah ninjad
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
If you've been suspended in the past year, a CM will silently remove your nomination.
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
Is there anyway to see your "candidate score" without actually nominating yourself?
 
Aqua Tart
Aqua Tart
Anyways, I agree with Quill that the signal noise should be reduced. @AlexA. can you help clean up some of the cruft
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@MyHamDJ I think there's a SEDE...
 
Quill
Quill
@MyHamDJ I think the elections.stackexchange.com page tells ya
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
12:40 AM
@Downgoat sweet, you rock!
Unfortunately, I only have 6... =(
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@MyHamDJ :3
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
I have 11 on English language learners though! That's a little bit better.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Ooh, 31/40 for me, as good as an existing mod
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
10 for me, not as bad as I thought
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
I'm at 26/40, I don't know if that's bad or good
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
12:44 AM
Martin has 37.
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
@HelkaHomba Are you planning on running?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
No. Well possibly as a joke, but I probably shouldn't.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
Is Martin running? I don't see his nomination post D:
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
He's going to post it tomorrow
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
ah okay
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
12:47 AM
Doorknob as well
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I think Peter Taylor has the highest score of a non-mod at 34/40, but you know how he feels about popcons..
We need to make it so the shortest mod wins instead. Agreed?
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
Lol. The accepted answer, uh, I mean user, is the one with the shortest username.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@HelkaHomba shortest as in height?
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@HelkaHomba I'm 6'2" ;-;
 
My Ham DJ
My Ham DJ
Dang. Alex, you can't be a mod anymore. We need someone short like me at 5'9".
10.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
1:00 AM
@Downgoat Uhh, sure
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
shortest fingers?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
goats have no fingers so I guess I'd win at 0
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Quill's gonna be so mad when he comes back in here
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
why?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
We not srs
@Geobits incoming
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:12 AM
You're psychic :o
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
in The Nineteenth Byte, 1 min ago, by Geobits
I have a serious question to put to all the moderator candidates. Is there a room for election talk, or is this the best spot for it?
 
Geobits
Geobits
I'm sarcastic ;)
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I've got one of those fancy computers that can handle two web browser tabs
But @Qui is right, this place should be more serious!
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@HelkaHomba we take avಠcad very seriಠus ಠ_ಠ
 
Geobits
Geobits
@HelkaHomba I have a question that's going to sound non-serious, but it is not.
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
1:18 AM
I do take this nomination process seriously. It just seemed like comparing bodily dimensions is something you're supposed to do as a serious candidate in a serious election. Right?
 
Geobits
Geobits
@DigitalTrauma Who has the tiniest fingers?
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
That's your serious question? o_O
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@DigitalTrauma the republican party is doing that, so I assume yes.
 
Geobits
Geobits
To all moderator candidates: Please watch this video and name the single best and single worst thing about it:
@AlexA. That's my serious question.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@DigitalTrauma Right. If the US presidential nominees do it, it must be an important part of elections
 
quartata
quartata
1:21 AM
@Geobits Uh, all right
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
@Geobits I've gotta go now, but I will try to give you an answer
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Can I be someone's chief of staff?
 
Geobits
Geobits
That's the guy that kills the hookers and dissidents so nobody finds out, right?
 
Quill
Quill
@Geobits are you running?
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Geobits Single best: The guy who walks by and just says, "Yeah!" while Weird Al is rapping. The worst: The Helen Keller joke. :/
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:24 AM
@Quill Me? Good lord no. I love the site and all, but I don't want to have to come here every day.
 
quartata
quartata
@Geobits The best thing is that I was hoping going into it that it would be about Pentium chips and it was. The worst things are the stereotypical scantly-clad dancers in the chorus and the Helen Keller joke
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Geobits Just imagine, though, your downvotes would become super-downvotes!
 
quartata
quartata
oh dear
 
Geobits
Geobits
My downvotes are already pretty super imo :P
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@El'endiaStarman are mod downvotes binding?
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
1:26 AM
What do you mean binding?
 
Geobits
Geobits
o_O
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Downgoat Yes, they take effect immediately.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
as in completely downvote the post?
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
No. :P
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Every downvote completely downvotes the post?
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:26 AM
Like, totally.
 
quartata
quartata
What?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@AlexA. yes
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
I don't understand the question
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Look inside yourself
 
Geobits
Geobits
When I look inside him I see a gizzard.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
1:30 AM
@Geobits who are you looking inside O_o
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
@Geobits The "Think Similar" mug on the Bill Gates impersonator's desk
 
quartata
quartata
@DigitalTrauma Wow, I didn't notice that. hahaha
That's my new best thing
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@All the nominees: What is your favorite poem? (by a reasonably well known poet)
 
Geobits
Geobits
Whew, glad I'm not running. Most of my favorite poems are limericks :P
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@HelkaHomba I don't know if it's my favorite, but one that comes to mind that I really enjoy is This Lime-tree Bower My Prison by Samuel L. Jackson Taylor Coleridge.
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
1:34 AM
Not even sure how many poems I could name. The Chaos, Jabberwocky, er...
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Jabberwocky is great
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
Not even sure how many poems I could name... Three Little Pigs?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I'd call that more of a nursery tale. But idk, is there an official poetic text?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
 
quartata
quartata
Le Bateau ivre
"Le Bateau ivre" ("The Drunken Boat") is a 100-line verse-poem written in 1871 by Arthur Rimbaud. The poem describes the drifting and sinking of a boat lost at sea in a fragmented first-person narrative saturated with vivid imagery and symbolism. == Background == Rimbaud, then aged 16, wrote the poem in the summer of 1871 at his childhood home in Charleville in Northern France. Rimbaud included the poem in a letter he sent to Paul Verlaine in September 1871 to introduce himself to Verlaine. Shortly afterwards, he joined Verlaine in Paris and became his lover. Rimbaud was inspired to write the poem...
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:38 AM
In all seriousness, my favorite poet is Dr. Seuss. Not exactly high-brow, but he's had more impact on people than any I can think of.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Definitely. I grew up on Dr. Seuss, as I'm sure many (if not a majority of) Americans did. I do like him, Sam I Am.
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@AlexA. That's nice
@Geobits Fair enough. Have a fav Dr Suess book?
 
Geobits
Geobits
Of his, or in general? My favorite book is neither Dr Seuss nor poetry.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@HelkaHomba My favorite part is the last two lines: "For thee, my gentle-hearted Charles, to whom / No sound is dissonant which tells of Life." It makes me smile.
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:47 AM
@HelkaHomba That's a tough one. My favorite is probably Bartholomew and the Oobleck, but I'm not sure if it qualifies (it's more a straight story, written in prose). Green Eggs and Ham is best for sentimental reasons, and The Sneetches is a close runner up.
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
Are any of you fans of Shel Silverstein?
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Of course!
 
Geobits
Geobits
Shel's okay. I like Prelutsky (Something Big Has Been Here, etc) better.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@ZachGates I love selling sea Shel's by the seashore.
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
+1 for jabberwocky
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
1:56 AM
His collection of short poems, Where the Sidewalk Ends is phenomenal. (imo)
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
I'm surprised no one has proposed a Poems.SE
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
@Downgoat It would boil down to Poetry.SE which would likely fall under English.SE
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
there was a literature.SE but that got closed due to inactvitiy...
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
2:11 AM
I'm voting for Downgoat and Geobits (if he runs) because they like limericks and tongue twisters.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Hosch250 <3
 
Geobits
Geobits
I won't run. Not this year, and probably not any other.
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
@Geobits That's a pity.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I like the site too much to subject it to my moderation.
 
Hosch250
Hosch250
LOL.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
2:13 AM
@Geobits what's wrong with your moderation?
 
Geobits
Geobits
I don't know yet, but I'd rather not find out the hard way.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
ok
 
Geobits
Geobits
Seriously though, I don't want to turn this into a "job". I like visiting and contributing, but I don't want responsibility for it all. If I want to disappear for a month, I don't want that guilty conscience telling me I should check on the site.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Geobits One of the CMs is actually proposing the idea of a "moderator vacation", where you could basically voluntarily lock yourself out of mod tools so that you don't feel the compulsion to do modly stuff during some time period.
 
Geobits
Geobits
That's a great idea, tbh. I'm not sure how exactly it would work and all, but the concept is good.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
2:16 AM
They should make a suspend-me-for-30-minutes-so-I-can-get-work-done button first...
 
Geobits
Geobits
If I were moderator, I'd make sure my first act would be to suspend you. Good enough?
2
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
the miniunun sustenpin time is like a day though
 
Geobits
Geobits
That's not exactly my problem, now is it?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
ಠ_ಠ
 
 
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Dennis
Dennis
4:25 AM
@Geobits 1. Weird Al. 2. Weird Al.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
^
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
5:04 AM
Just asked this of @ZachGates, but I'm curious what all the non-current-mod nominees have to say @quartata @Downgoat @DigitalTrauma:
> Why specifically should you be a mod more than the current mods or other more experienced nominees? What would you do differently? Maybe you'd be a fine mod but if you're bringing the same things to the table as more experienced nominees, then it seems certain the 4 chairs will be filled before you get there. Why should the PPCG public change what isn't broken?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
5:23 AM
@Mego ^
 
Anonymous
@HelkaHomba Typing up an answer now :)
 
ghosts_in_the_code
ghosts_in_the_code
Hi, I'm new to chat. I just wanted to ask if @MartinButtner is contesting or not.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
I think he said he'll nominate himself tomorrow
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@ghosts_in_the_code I'm very sure he is, but he's posting his nomination tomorrow
 
Anonymous
@HelkaHomba I have a strong get-stuff-done attitude. Not as in "do this now before letting the community weigh in", but rather "encourage discussion so that a consensus can be found". I hope the other candidates do as well, but I'm speaking for myself here. On numerous occasions, I've tried to increase visibility on topics that I believe are important, but have yet to reach a consensus. I believe the best form of moderation is letting the community sort things out itself (1/?)
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
5:26 AM
Didn't have enough characters, unforunately
 
Anonymous
@Mego (2/?) when possible, and only stepping in and using moderator powers when absolutely necessary, or when it's a cut-and-dry situation (such as closing an obviously off-topic question). I think one of our biggest issues right now is low community involvement on meta, and one of my goals is to increase that involvement.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@ZachGates No limit to chat messages :P I'm not saying anyone needs to write a novel, but without some new ideas and proof of dedication, the non-current-mods seem likely to be passed over by many voters. (My assessment of how this will work at least.)
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
Chat message length maxes out at 500 chars I think :P
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
But you can post many of them more easily
(like start your own chatroom if you want to be uber dedicated)
 
Zach Gates
Zach Gates
 
Anonymous
5:36 AM
Eh, I think it'd be better to keep all election-related discussion centralized here
 
Anonymous
That way there'd be only one transcript that needs digging through to find relevant information
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
^
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Maybe. Don't worry about ignoring my advice on these things
 
Anonymous
@HelkaHomba Do not go gentle into that good night by Dylan Thomas
 
Anonymous
Do not go gentle into that good night
"Do not go gentle into that good night" is a poem in the form of a villanelle, and the most famous work of British poet Dylan Thomas (1914–1953). Though first published in the journal Botteghe Oscure in 1951, it was actually written in 1947 when he was in Florence with his family. It was published, along with other stories previously written, as part of his In Country Sleep, And Other Poems in 1952. It has been suggested that it was written for Thomas' dying father, although he did not die until just before Christmas 1952. It has no title other than its first line, "Do not go gentle into that good...
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
5:49 AM
@HelkaHomba The current mods are doing an excellent job at running the community. I am running because I love the kind, helpful community here on PPCG, and I want to see that grow, especially now that we're graduating, we'll most probably receiving a significant influx of new users. New users are essential to this growth, and I believe we should do everything we can to keep them hooked.
In order to maintain the quality of our site we have many rules set in place and you can't blame new users for not understanding them as they are buried away in the help center. While completely off-topic questions should obviously be nuked.
Many new users are trying to contribute, but having your challenge downvoted, nuked, and left in the dust isn't helping. (I would add links more but I'm out of space)
As a mod, and good community members, we should be welcoming new users trying to contribute. Their challenges may not meet our Q/C standards but that's where we come in. As a community we should put an effort to providing new users with the resources and help to understand our site rules, improve, fix, and understand our community. Stack Exchange isn't a forum so meeting our high standards maybe eluding to some. We should strive to let everyone trying to contribute, contribute.
We want to leave everyone with a better impression of us as a community.
that's my essay for today, night!
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat I agree with everything you have mentioned here. I will admit that I haven't always been terribly helpful with steering new users towards information that will help them on PPCG. I also believe it's just as important, if not more important, to have our policies well-defined and supported by the community. Hence why my answer was more geared towards getting consensus on long-standing meta questions and nailing down site policies better.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Mego that is also very true, I'll write some more stuff later on rules and all later, as it's getting late for me...
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
6:53 AM
@Downgoat "We should strive to let everyone trying to contribute, contribute." I agree. What's your opinion on letting experienced users essentially re-write a challenge that has potential but is badly worded or specified? I've done this once or twice because rewriting is far easier for me than explaining what is wrong (possibly multiple times).
I'm not saying steamrolling (or you could say coddling) new users like that is necessarily good, but if they get upvotes rather than close votes it's more likely they'll visit again
 
 
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Doorknob
Doorknob
11:54 AM
> too long by 65 characters
Getting there. :P
 
 
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GamrCorps
GamrCorps
1:16 PM
@HelkaHomba this is a good question for all candidates. I suggest putting this in the meta post.
 
 
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quartata
quartata
2:17 PM
@HelkaHomba Can you repost this in the comments?
 
 
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Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
3:53 PM
@HelkaHomba Answered in the comments to my nomination. As always, you ask such good questions!
 
quartata
quartata
I was hoping he'd repost the question in my comments section but I guess I'll just put the answer there anyways.
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
Alright, there, have your nomination. :P
 
FryAmTheEggman
FryAmTheEggman
I see it took about 4 hours to golf 65 characters, you must have put great care into this nomination! :P
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
in The Sphinx's Lair, Dec 16 '14 at 16:05, by Doorknob 冰
There's this thing called "School;" it's really annoying ;)
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
@Doorknob its official - we will have a primary stage
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
3:59 PM
(currently in study hall, in which I should probably... ya know, be studying, but...)
@DigitalTrauma At least 12 candidates now, actually, because I know Martin's running
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
@Doorknob yep, I figured, but its not official until the nom is posted
 
quartata
quartata
@HelkaHomba I replied to your question in the comments.
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
@DigitalTrauma Well if we're being technical here, people could still withdraw and put the number back under 10. :P
 
quartata
quartata
I do think we'll see some withdrawals.
I did not expect so many people to run...
 
Geobits
Geobits
Withdrawal works a lot of the time, but it can't be relied upon.
 
Dennis
Dennis
4:03 PM
At this rate, I'm wondering if we'll hit the magical 30.
 
quartata
quartata
What happens then?
 
Geobits
Geobits
30 would surprise me. I think low 20s.
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
@Geobits ( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ)
@quartata Anyone not in the top 30 by rep gets kicked out
 
Dennis
Dennis
> After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase.
 
quartata
quartata
Ah.
 
Geobits
Geobits
4:05 PM
So a strategy to knock people out would be to wait until it hits 30ish and toss my name in? I wouldn't have any intention of actually running, just as a spoiler.
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
don't do that >_>
 
quartata
quartata
;_;
pls
 
Geobits
Geobits
Well I wasn't really planning on it. Just pointing out the obvious flaw in the system, that's all.
 
quartata
quartata
So, the primary starts in 7 days, right?
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
@Geobits Top 30 by rep is flawed anyway, but it's necessary to get not-obnoxious voting in primaries
@quartata 7 days after the start of nominations
Then a 4-day primary IIRC
 
zyabin101
zyabin101
4:08 PM
@quartata In 6 days.
 
Geobits
Geobits
4:44 PM
.0
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
@Geobits I'm not sure if I'm not sure if that's going to be a good idea
 
Digital Trauma
Digital Trauma
5:11 PM
@Doorknob true
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
5:29 PM
@GamrCorps I don't think I'll bother, but you're welcome to if you want
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
So this room is a thing... I guess I'll have some reading to do...
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
Sorry :D
@MartinBüttner A lot of it is about poetry, but I've been trying to give your competitors some serious questions about why they'd be better than current mods
@quartata Sorry. It seems messy for me to post it for everyone who answers. But I'll post new specific questions in comments and not chat
 
quartata
quartata
5:46 PM
@HelkaHomba It's fine, I posted a response to yours in the comments.
 
Anonymous
@HelkaHomba I think that approach is somewhat unfair to the non-mods running. The deck is already heavily stacked in favor of re-electing our pro-tems. "Why would you be better than one of our current mods?" only stacks the deck further in their favor - everyone should be getting "Why would you be a good mod?" instead.
 
quartata
quartata
I would like it if the more important questions were in the comments so that my answers to them get more visibility
 
Anonymous
^
 
quartata
quartata
@Mego There's four seats, and four pro-tem mods that have been proven to be effective mods. You can't blame them for wanting to know what we bring to the table over the pro-tems.
If one of us gets elected, that means that one of the pro-tems won't be.
 
Anonymous
Asking "Why should we elect you rather than one of the current mods?" is treating it like a forgone conclusion that the current mods will be re-elected, which goes against the spirit of the election. If we were just going to re-elect them, then what is the point of having an election at all?
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
5:53 PM
@Mego That's a fair point. I don't mean it to sound like the current mods are certain to be reelected. I'm really trying to give non-mods a chance to explain why the mod setup should changed, because without convincing anyone that things could be better/different, voters are likely to choose the current mods, just for familiarity.
 
Anonymous
While the current mods have been doing a great job (and thus I would support them being re-elected), it's not really democratic to give so much weight to their current status as moderators. All the candidates should be weighed according to their merits and philosophies, regardless of whether or not there's a diamond next to their name right now.
 
Anonymous
@HelkaHomba But the way you phrased that question did exactly the opposite. Rather than putting all the candidates on equal footing, you made it into each non-mod versus the four current mods.
 
Helka Homba
Helka Homba
@Mego Well, idk. Experience does count for a lot when a job promotion is offered, for example. But I think most voters will prefer to stick with what's familiar and already working unless there are good reasons to go another way, regardless of if that's fair to current non-mods.
 
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