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12:02 AM
@JonasTeuwen What do you think about this answer, JT?
@Jeff If you had sought a comedian career, you'd have died of starvation, my friend.
 
@peter i'm starvin' anyway :D
 
@JonasTeuwen I'm struggling to get some flashing and ROMing done on my Android phone. BLERGH
 
user19161
12:41 AM
@JonasTeuwen I am still here even if your girlfriend left you.
 
user19161
I am trying out Xubuntu 12.04 LTS now. It is very well put together I must say.
 
@WillHunting Hey
That's actually more like vector algebra, right?
 
I really am feeling terrible.
Why is it that I always am weird?
 
physiologically...?
 
well, I think mentally too.
I cannot concentrate for long time. It has been so, only in the past week.
:(((
Need to listen to good music.
 
@KannappanSampath I guess you're trying to say taht my music sucks.
 
@GustavoBandeira Shit, no! No offence meant to you.
I was making a general observation connected to my life.
 
1:46 AM
@KannappanSampath I also have this - lack of concentration.
A friend told me this is a characteristic of this generation.
 
Nah. There have been times I have thought for a long time with little or no disturbance.
Sleeplessness, no coffee, no tea,... :(((
SAD.
 
Have you gone to the medic?
 
Later folks. I'll be here later.
 
 
5 hours later…
6:27 AM
Morning.
 
Morning
 
@robjohn are you around?
 
6:49 AM
@doraemonpaul: Please stop flooding the main page with many edits all at the same time. If you continue to edit tags, please limit yourself to only a few per day please.
 
Looks as if I might join the 10k club soon.
 
7:11 AM
Holy cow.
 
@JonasTeuwen Rat Poison
 
I know.
 
@JonasTeuwen you use mutt for emails?
 
Yes and no (didn't open it in a long time).
 
7:27 AM
Hungover.
Need more coffee.
 
hey guys
 
Hi
 
I've been pseudo-teaching Calculus III
It's interesting.
Nobody in the class can understand the Japanese professor, so I end up writing my own notes and teaching it outside of class.
I just finished the notes for vector functions!: whatimg.com/i/6zbim2.jpg
 
7:50 AM
Headache.
Miss the teddy : (
 
@Matt I miss him too
 
: (
Well, not as bad as last time when he disappeared. He still visits main.
 
yeah
I miss him too
I look up to him a lot
sometimes in my head
when I solve some problem
I think
@Matt "Ah I learned this technique from teddy"
 
Yes, same here.
 
8:26 AM
@JohnSenior Hi.
 
@Matt Hi there - has t.b. left chat completely?
 
@JohnSenior It looks like it. Can't blame him...
 
@Matt Indeed - I have been considering leaving chat - I spend too much time here
 
Don't know what to say...
 
9:08 AM
I think I need even more coffee...
 
9:57 AM
@Matt Sorry... I was afk
@Matt did you still have a question?
 
@robjohn Hi there. Thanks. No, it's ok. It was sort of NARQ anyway.
 
@Matt okay :-)
 
10:20 AM
As a rule, the moments in which I do not realize I am an idiot are followed shortly by moments in which I do.
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10:34 AM
@peoplepower Live in the right moment :-)
 
@robjohn I suppose I would prefer to see my failures.
 
@robjohn : )
 
@peoplepower learn from them, but don't dwell on them.
 
@robjohn Of course. I don't want to fall into the infinite spiral of realizing that I took too long thinking about the previous failure. :)
 
user19161
@robjohn You sound very deep today. :-)
 
user19161
10:40 AM
@peoplepower Some people take more time to get over certain things than others. We are built differently.
 
10:58 AM
@Matt: I don't think any of those should be closed. Just my opinion.
 
@robjohn Well perhaps not but there are already 4 votes. Why don't we close and reopen?
 
@Matt I was thinking of doing that, but I wanted to see if there were any reasons why they should be closed first.
the duplicate is not really a duplicate of the problem mentioned
the narq just needs more explanation.
the one that is said to be too localized has good answers and there may be others
 
@robjohn: hey. A belated welcome!
 
@WillieWong thanks!
@WillieWong so far, things are going pretty well since the color change :-)
 
And thanks for helping out. A question: do you know what happened to Ben Lim? I just noticed that his user seemed to have disappeared? (At least the link from a close banner is not worky).
 
11:07 AM
@WillieWong He posted on meta about his account being snarfed... let me find the article
 
And man, one month is a long time on Math.SE: interface changes galore. Feel like a newb again.
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@WillieWong here it is
 
@robjohn Do we not usually close and reopen questions with 4 votes that should not be closed?
 
@robjohn Wow... that´s bizarre.
 
@Matt that is done. I wasn't sure if that was your intention. If so, then we should do that :-)
@WillieWong it is indeed
 
11:14 AM
@robjohn do you keep a tab on the subject gre for math?
 
@JayeshBadwaik You mean watch what questions are on it? Not really.
 
@robjohn Well, I had no intention one way or the other. But I think questions with votes should be looked at.
 
@robjohn about the scores?
 
@JayeshBadwaik I'm not sure what you mean.
 
@robjohn Let me know when they're ready to be reopened.
 
11:15 AM
@Matt okay...
 
I bought this book yesterday by REA on subject GRE mathematics and attempted a test today
Got 51/66 questions correct which according to the book's scorecard is 770 and according to the practise test booklet of ets is 800.

My question is what kind of scores are considered strong (something that should be noted as above normal)??
the scoring is out of 900. percentiles are 86/83
 
@Matt triple zap
 
Hi folks
 
@JayeshBadwaik GRE subject tests are ¨normalised¨, meaning that the same ¨questions correct¨ may give you different scores between years/exams.
 
@JohnSenior hi
 
11:20 AM
@robjohn Mod powers : )
@JohnSenior Hi and welcome back to the black hole of productivity.
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@Matt LOL
 
@JohnSenior Not sure that's funny : )
 
@Matt I would rather have had regular votes for the reopen, but since there didn't seem to be anyone to vote, I was afraid that the questions would be lost, so I reopened them anyway.
 
@JayeshBadwaik And if you score at 80+ percentile, you would be, by definition, ¨above median¨ (which assuming a symmetric distribution would also be ¨above average¨).
 
@robjohn Sure. Btw, I voted on other questions. If you like you can check my activities tab and go through them, in case you want to reopen any of them.
 
11:23 AM
@WillieWong okay. thanks.
 
@Matt I think it is perceptive
 
@JohnSenior: Oh no! You changed your name! I was particularly fond of the last one. :)
 
@FortuonPaendrag Drat! - I changed it because several people were not fond of it!
 
@Matt is that a comment on the undoing of what you have done? ;-)
 
@JohnSenior Ah, for the greater good then. This name reminds me of John Cena however.
 
11:26 AM
@JohnSenior I liked it, too. Now I keep wondering, where is John Junior?
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@JayeshBadwaik In any case, for applying to graduate schools in mathematics, I´d say that 80+ percentile gives a pretty decent score. Good luck!
 
@robjohn John Junior is what I called my son - at least until he grew bigger than me :)
 
@Matt and I probably should propel my way out before I fall through the event horizon. Cheerios all.
 
@Matt I think I will wait until less heavy hands can cast those votes :-)
 
@WillieWong bye
 
11:28 AM
@JohnSenior My son is still a fraction of an inch shorter than I am.
@WillieWong Nice to see you. :-)
 
@WillieWong Bye! : )
 
@robjohn but is he still growing ?
 
@robjohn Ok.
 
@WillieWong Thanks . Bye.
 
@robjohn Yes.
 
11:29 AM
@JohnSenior He is 20 and seems to be stopped for the time being.
@Matt Sorry about that. That's why I am not going to vote on the others.
 
@robjohn Oh no I thought you were referring to something before that.
Sorry for the confusion.
 
@Matt np :-)
 
@JohnSenior I have lost that somewhere along the way.
 
@Matt Never mind - not important
 
11:58 AM
 
@Matt That was on UK news last week - it is funny in a way, but actually fairly tragic
 
@JohnSenior Perhaps. But I don't understand art so I'm fairly amused : )
And also: must have been lots of fun for the old bag : )
Probably has quite a sad boring life otherwise.
 
@Matt Yeah - my first reaction was to laugh - but afterwards I felt guilty, as a work of art has probably been damaged beyond repair - the interview on TV with the "old bag" was also quite amusing
 
@JohnSenior Wish I could've seen it : D
 
If am to believe a given website, the original only took 2 hours anyway...
 
12:05 PM
@Matt It was translated, but she seemed to be quite indignant. When asked why she did it without permission, she just said that everyone could see her doing it and nobody complained
 
Haha : D
 
@JohnSenior Do you mind if I change my user name to John Junior?
 
@skullpatrol Not at all - but it might confuse some people
@Matt here is the "old bag
 
@JohnSenior Heh! This one's scary!
 
Time I went for a walk to get some exercise - drove to the gym this morning, and it has gone bust overnight :(
 
12:12 PM
@JohnSenior On April Fool's Day anon changed his user name to "robjohn" and his avatar was the same as rob's too, talk about confusion.
 
@skullpatrol neat!
 
@JohnSenior What does it mean?
 
@Matt It means it has closed / gone out of business - and I need to find another gym :(
 
I thought it might mean that but over night!? : O
 
@Matt Yeah - seemed a bit sudden - drove up this morning and there was a sign blocking the car park saying that the landlord has re-possessed the building
So I'm going for a walk - and just for a change, it is sunny (!!) here in the UK
 
12:19 PM
So John Junior it is ;-)
 
@skullpatrol OK :)
 
@JohnSenior Enjoy your walk.
 
@skullpatrol Thanks - back later
 
later
 
@JohnSenior Have fun! : ) And see you later! (it's not sunny here)
 
12:27 PM
@robjohn Thanks for making the post CW. I've removed my comments related to CWikification, I guess they are not relevant to that thread.
 
@MartinSleziak Okay, so I have as well :-)
 
@robjohn No need to wonder any more :-D
 
@robjohn BTW we used to have some minor edits, too. I think Srivatsan used to go through posts and correct frequent typos sometimes. (Such as Cauchy-Schwartz.) But I agree that the front page is more frequently polluted by retags than by minor edits.
 
@skullpatrol well, I know that John Junior exists. Where he is is still an open question.
@MartinSleziak and the speed with which posts are made pushes things off pretty quickly, too.
I've added an answer and by the time I go to the questions page, it is half way down :-D
 
^AHHH!!!! the mean square is so large.
 
12:35 PM
@skullpatrol If you hadn't stopped it, my next comment would have made it even larger!
 
I surrender.
 
@MartinSleziak just as the last edit (date and editor) are shown on the lower right, the original date and poster could be shown at the lower left.
 
@robjohn That could work, too.
 
12:47 PM
@robjohn can the software distinguish between text edits and tag edits?
 
@JayeshBadwaik I imagine it can do whatever the developers want it to :-)
@JayeshBadwaik These are all matters that the developers will have to deal with.
 
1:04 PM
How does one contact the "developers"?
 
Hello J.M.!
 
@Matt It took me a bit to recognize you... hi!
 
@J.M. where are people like mariano?
 
@BenjaLim Wouldn't know; I've not been keeping track lately...
 
@J.M. hmm
@WillieWong hey
@WillieWong Did you see the meta thread?
 
1:16 PM
@robjohn The influx rate has been a tad overwhelming for quite a while now; I'd figure that fixing typos in two old posts every two hours or so would be reasonable, since they get buried in that amount of time...
 
@J.M. I would agree with that.
 
On that note: the guy who's been doing a lot of retags could do well to space his retag sprees appropriately. :)
@robjohn I'm missing that strip you have, but I understand that the meanness and the squareness have to be sufficiently emphasized... ;)
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@J.M. You mean the one with (pde) retags - from this thread?
 
@MartinSleziak Ah, there we go. Interesting that the user has not said anything after his last comment...
 
@J.M. I am working on a new view, as well. Trying to get a nice way to texture map onto a Klein bottle.
 
1:25 PM
@robjohn Which parametrization, the one using the lemniscate, or the "classical" one?
 
@J.M. I am trying to roll my own.
Though I have not had much time recently.
 
@robjohn BTW... you've seen this, I take it?
 
@J.M. No, I hadn't. Thanks. If I get stuck, I will take a look, but only after I've succeeded or admitted defeat.
 
@robjohn The added intimidation of the increasing size of the square will be hard to improve on ;-)
 
It only gets bigger when there are lots
of
lines
of
comments
 
1:29 PM
@robjohn Okay. Interesting that Davide (the guy who keeps answering MathJax questions in meta) did work on parametrizing it... :)
 
AHHH!!!
 
@J.M. Yes. Davide did answer several of my questions/problems.
 
Oh look "John Junior" is here :)
 
@robjohn Ooh, you e-mailed him about the bottle? :)
 
@J.M. no, questions about MathJax problems I was having.
 
1:32 PM
Ah, got confused...
 
Well, I have an anxious dog waiting to go for a walk in the park. BBL
 
later
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We got almost to the park, then realized that the others we meet there were going to show up an hour later since today is a holiday here.
@J.M.: I see you have a newly textured knot.
 
2:09 PM
Hi folks
 
Never mind.
 
he=who?
 
Santa Claus.
 
santa gone mad
 
@Matt Probably he expects more from his protege.... shrug
 
2:13 PM
@Matt That comment was directed at Mhenni Benghorbal I believe.
 
I am not really sure what you wrote was entirely true, but probably I do not know all circumstances.
 
@MartinSleziak Got to be better then.
@MartinSleziak Well there were two or three... cough incidents...
@robjohn I know.
 
@Matt Okay, I just thought I would make sure :-)
 
@JohnSenior hi senior john
 
Hi Junior
 
2:16 PM
@JohnSenior Erm...
 
@robjohn Not my fault! - Skull has changed his name ...
 
@JohnSenior From our earlier discussion about John Junior, it raised many flags in the back of my mind when you called him Junior.
 
@robjohn I imagine so - but skull is not my real son - promise
 
So cute. Got purring cat sitting on lap.
 
@JohnSenior I figured that. However, I just refreshed my window, and I see that his name has indeed changed to John Junior. I hadn't seen that before.
 
2:20 PM
@robjohn How is that kitten of yours doing?
 
@robjohn yes - the software takes a while to fully reflect recent changes like that, I beleive
 
@Matt She is doing quite fine. You'd never know that she had a broken pelvis. She's probably almost a year old. We found her Nov 5 of last year, and think she was about 8 weeks old.
 
@robjohn Do you have any cute pic you would like to share? : )
I could share lap cat.
(only a digital copy, of course, as it's not for share otherwise)
 
@robjohn Like I mentioned before, no need to wonder any more where John Junior is :-D
 
^The book is Atiyah-MacDonald : )
 
That's Lilly and Smoky :-)
Now it is time to take Lilly to the park. BBL
 
That would be smoky on the water lilly :)
@anon hi
 
hello
 
@anon Hi
I see that this question now has a total of 5 answers provided by the same person ...
 
that beats the other record I saw of three or four by Mariano
 
2:44 PM
Maybe MK is QED.
@anon I've been thinking about the proof we were talking about a couple days ago and I wondered was there any real life situation where one would use such a logical structure?
 
Pretend you're Joseph in the New Testament. To prove: "Mary is cheating or has immaculately conceived." Either she is cheating or she isn't. If she is, then the claim is true. If she isn't, then must have gotten pregnant somehow and the only possibility is divine intervention, ie immaculate conception, and the claim also follows in this instance.
Then again I wouldn't call that real-life, but it was the first thing that came to mind.
 
If p,
then (q or r)
Case 1: q
Case 2: not q then r
 
p=pregnant, q=cheating, r=immaculate conception
 
How about p=want, q=get what you want, r=you get what you need?
 
Hardly. We could assume p=want, and then you die of starvation getting neither what you wanted nor what you needed...
 
2:59 PM
I was thinking about the rolling stones song "you can't always get what, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need"
 
that has "try" and "just might" in it, which involves qualifiers
After a couple friends hang over at your house you notice a prized Exodia card of yours missing, and it was there before they came over. Claim: "Friend A or friend B stole it." If friend A stole it then the claim is true, otherwise the only possibility is friend B in which case the claim is also true.
 
@robjohn Awww, so cute!! Have fun in the park!
@robjohn She's got "socks" : )
 
@anon Thanks for the examples, these help bring out the "there is nothing to prove" phrase in the proof.
 
hi guys, I have a question
if I have a set $N$
and I want to say that there exists a set $M$ that does not interest $N$
shall I say "Suppose, there is a set $M$ disjoint from $N$"?
 
@Ilya If "interest" = "intersect", then yes, I'd say so.
 
3:10 PM
oh yeah :)
@Matt: thanks. Hi, what's with you colours?
 
You could also say that they don't meet. : )
 
well, I have a metric space - so they can meet
if the distance is zero
 
Given that one of them is not interested in the other "meet" seems appropriate...
 
the other meet is "meat"
 
@Ilya Got a change.
 
3:18 PM
@Ilya M is boring
 
@robjohn Wait, you just turned one set's opinion into an objective statement of fact!
 
@Matt From what I know of N, N is pretty loose, so if M does not interest N, then M must be pretty boring.
 
Never mind : )
 
3:39 PM
@Ilya Meet is a bit old fashioned, so I use it.
$M$ meets $N$ in $x$ would mean... $x$ is in their intersection.
 
why not $x$ contains their intersection?
 
What would be the some useful subjects to learn as I would like to get a job (math, C, Matlab, statistics, ...)?
 
@Matt that was the intent :-)
 
@robjohn : D
 
@JonasTeuwen but then N would just brush M off for being so boring :-)
 
3:49 PM
@robjohn 8-).
@anon Son of a crack. Stop confusing the shit out of me.
 
@anon if $x\in M\cap N$ then saying that $M\cap N\subset x$ would pose a problem, no?
 
Yes it would, but if Mandy meets Nancy in the X-pub, I wouldn't say the pub is inside of Mandy and Nancy. (Mmm, lowercase letters for sets..)
 
@anon I dislike the construct: X meets Y in Z to mean that Z is in the intersection.
Off again to get breakfast... bbl
 
Last time I checked, "in Z" meant something is contained within Z in the English language. :-)
 
4:27 PM
@anon say, did you ever become a moderator that you were running for?
 
I did not run for moderator.
 
oh. am i confusing you with another math chat denizen? sorry. it must have been robjohn
 
robjohn ran, was not originally elected (Eric Naslund and mixedmath were), and then became appointed (along with Bill D) after Zev and ? said they wanted to chill out for a bit.
 
@anon afaik Bill was elected.
Not that it matters much.
 
Oh right, he got the top vote.
Then it must have been mixedmath that got it with robjohn.
 
4:31 PM
who's Bill? i'm glad robjohn got the job. i think he's been helpful to me (a lot of you guys' names blur together, so i'm never quite sure who I've had what conversation with).
 
look at the top users page and you will see a Bill
 
@anon I think so.
I have one persistent hangover : /
 
 
1 hour later…
hhh
6:43 PM
**PLANAR WAVES**

$\bar E = E \cos(kx-wt) \hat j$ -- why does this move in the x -axis -direction?
2. $\bar E = E \cos(k_x x + k_y y - wt) \hat k$ -- why does this move in X-Y -plane?
3. $\bar E = E \cos( \bar k \cdot \bar r - wt) \hat k$ -- why does this move in the directon $\hat k$?
A1: $kx-wt=C$ so $x=(C+wt)/k$ so yes it does! -No, wait a second but what about $\hat j$?
A1: it moves in the positive X-axis -direction, precisely.
A2: $k_x x+x_y y -wt=C$ so $a x +b y=H$ so X-Y -plane where $a=k_x$, $H=C+wt$ and $b=x_y$.
 
@hhh The $\bar{E}$ field alone never constitutes a wave. The wave is given by $\bar{S} = \bar{E} \times \bar{H}$ If you solve maxwell equations using the value of $\bar{E}$ you have taken, you will get $\bar{H} = \sin(kx-\omega t)\hat{k}$ and hence your wave will be in the $\bar{j} \times \bar{k} = \bar{i}$
(cf. Poynting Vector)
 
hhh
A3: My teacher said that it is moving along the $\bar r$, thinking...
 
hhh
7:08 PM
...takes me time to solve the maxwell -equations, hint here, and Wikipedia here, integral and derivative forms...
$\nabla \times E = \frac{-1}{c}\frac{\partial B}{\partial t}$, source here.
So $B=-c \int\left( \nabla\times E \right) d t$ so $H=\left( \frac{-c}{\mu_0} \right) \int\left(\nabla\times E\right) dt$
 
Hi folks
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik Do you mean calculating the $\bar H$ somehow from $H=\left( \frac{-c}{\mu_0} \right) \int\left(\nabla\times E\right) dt$?
 
@hhh use the other equation
\begin{equation}
\nabla \times \bar{H} = \bar{J} + \frac{\partial \bar{D}}{\partial t}
\end{equation}
In this case, $\bar{J}$ is zero.
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik Why zero?
 
since there are no charges assumed
No charge flow I mean
 
hhh
7:29 PM
@JayeshBadwaik Which equation of $\bar E$ you used?
 
The one you gave in the first question. Where you said "But what about $\hat{j}$?"
@JohnSenior Sorry, your ping was lost in the discussion. Hi! How was your walk?
 
@JayeshBadwaik Hi there - it was great, thanks - a nice walk around a lake
 
I wish I had anything interesting to say about this one.
Nice question.
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik You mean that to determine the directions with 1, 2 and 3 -- I need always calculate Maxwell -equations?!
 
@Matt agreed - I have been trying to think of something useful myself
 
7:44 PM
@hhh In theory yes. However, with a little practice, you will be able to see it without the need to calculate.
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik Can you give example?
(getting lost in following this chat)
 
First you must understand the concept of poynting vector.
 
@JohnSenior So what have you come up with? At first I thought of bounding it by Lebesgue measurable functions and something else from below but the bound was nowhere near tight enough. The next thing I thought of was to count all finite and countably infinite subsets of $[a,b]$. That would be the discontinuities we can remove.
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik It shows the direction of the wave and the energy carried by the wave, enough?
(expressed with electric field $\bar E$ and magnetic field $\bar H$, orthogonal to the plane set by them)
 
@Matt I have come up with nothing useful at all so far - still trying to convince myself that I believe the result is actually true
 
7:48 PM
@hhh Yes, more precisely $\bar{S} = \bar{E} \times \bar{H}$
right
now the next thing is consider your example
In your example only,
I saw this
$\bar E = E \cos(kx-wt) \hat{j}$
Now, immediate thought is, what is $\bar{H}$
 
@JohnSenior By finding suitable bounds we could convince you of that quite well.
: )
Or convince us of the contrary.
 
@Matt True - I think I am too tired tonight to get anywhere with it, so will wait to see what better brains than mine can come up with :)
 
First of all, it must contain the term $\sin(kx-wt)$
 
@JohnSenior Never mind "better brains". The latest comment seems to indicate that the claim in the OP is actually false.
 
@Matt ah! - now that I might believe!
 
7:51 PM
I'm quite tired too : /
 
@Matt by tomasz?
 
Yes.
He deleted it : )
And there was a second comment.
 
Soon, I will not be beardless John.
 
Don't know whose since it was deleted before I could read it.
 
John Junior.
 
7:52 PM
Whew this is like reading a football match commentary
 
hhh
@JayeshBadwaik I cannot see it
 
@hhh hence, more practice. probably solve a few problems, and you will see.
calculate E from H and vice versa using fields
does your book have a section on waveguides and antennas ?
 
@JonasTeuwen growing a beard is a noble undertaking - not to be taken lightly :)
 
@JohnSenior Yes.
 
@JohnSenior Whoa.. I grow my beard till it becomes uncomfortable enough and then cut it to get clean shaven again.
 
7:54 PM
@JohnSenior Like this?
 
@JonasTeuwen nice - but I still have hair everywhere :)))
 
@JohnSenior But you are no professor, right...
 
Cachaça is evil. This is nasty.
 
If you take up such a position you will get Alopecia Instantanis.
 
absolutely not
getting too dark to see the keyboard - might have to go indoors
 
hhh
7:56 PM
@JayeshBadwaik No, I have "Understanding Physics" -book.
 
@hhh okay. then see if it has exercises. Waveguides are ideally a good application for understanding of maxwell's equation. Anyway, solve some, you will get the hang of it.
 
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