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10:00 PM
It seems that $T_XM$ is the tangent space to $M$ at $X$. $U$ seems to be some multiple of the projection of the $Y'(t)$ onto $T_XM$
so you understand what I've said already.
@jay You can parametrize $Y$ by arclength, and then $U$ will be a unit vector. The length of $U$ will depend on the parameterization of $Y$
 
jay
ahhh unit vector with length not equal to 1
help me
no thanks:)!
@robjohn yes I was just quickly reminding myself of how the tangent vectors are defined as the velocity of the curves, I remember now
 
@jay unit vector with length not equal to $1$... what?
I hope that was temporary confusion
 
its was raining in downtown sf a short while ago.
 
jay
@robjohn its how you phrased it
which actually made perfect sense, I just read it wrong
(that ahhhh was a fearful ahhh like ahhh I dont understand, not like ahhhh ive got it)
this is where emojis would help.
 
@copper.hat It rained here 0.06" yesterday and 0.01" today.
@jay 😫
 
10:14 PM
i got rained on taking my bike home from bart - a pleasant & unexpected surprise :-)
 
requests rain in SD
 
We are supposed to have a bit more rain tomorrow. 0.15" forecast
We had some decent rain in October, but nothing in November.
(decent in LA might seem like a drought elsewhere)
1.38" in October, with thunder and lightning. Haven't had thunder and lightning here for quite a while.
 
jay
@robjohn do you have a link that explains this in a bit more detail?
 
10:32 PM
we had some rain yesterday too. looking forward to more
 
@jay have you looked here. That is pretty bare bones, but hopefully understandable.
@leslietownes So are we.
 
@jay I honestly don't think you need to stress over Riemannian geometry and manifolds. All they're talking about is the use of the inner product to define the gradient, as I already said.
 
jay
Cheers @TedShifrin I will keep that in mind when I come back to it. But I opened a door now
 
10:49 PM
the water is heading toward the drain. it is using gradient descent. this metaphor just gets better and better.
 
10:59 PM
I somehow managed to leave the headlights on in my car, causing it to die, for a second time this semester :)
 
how old is your car? the new ones don't do that.
 
jay
@robjohn ( or someone else) can you say why the velocity field of the curve $\gamma$ is plugged into the metric tensor at minute 34:10 of this really cool video youtube.com/…
 
it's a 2006 saturn
 
yeah, that's about right.
AAA can dispatch people with a battery to the scene fairly quickly. not to do their own marketing for them.
 
I thought you needed a membership or something for that
 
11:01 PM
@UnderMathUate I've made that mistake enough times that I should have learned from it. I haven't, but I should have. Condolences.
 
This happened less than 2 months ago, you would think I would have at least remembered.
 
under: you do, although they price it so that it's cheaper than doing that kind of thing yourself twice
 
Alright, I guess that'll be my next adult purchase.
 
jay outside of the riemannian context, how would you compute the speed of a space curve in R^3? it's the same formula, just generalized.
maybe three times. it's cheaper than you'd think until you realize that most people don't need it even once in a given year. also if someone in your family has it, you might already have it even if you drive different cars.
 
@jay without watching, I would say to get the speed.
ah, leslie got it
 
11:04 PM
I guess I can ask my folks.
 
One thing I have learned to do is to make the way I engage with the world fault-tolerant, because I make a lot of silly mistakes. For this case, that solution is "have a car with auto headlights", though that's kind of a non-starter as practicable advice goes.
 
It sounds more worthwhile than the Netflix I barely have time to use.
 
the guy in that video has a nice accent
 
jay
Hes so good
 
i have learned to replace my car batteries every 4-5 years.
 
11:06 PM
under: i somehow have it because of my wife. i used it once when i got a flat tire and it was surprisingly convenient
my wife used it, i'm not joking, yesterday, to replace a dead battery.
 
Autolights will be the main feature I look for on my next car.
That's a few years away, though.
Ha, wow.
 
hers was just an old battery. she didn't leave her lights on like some kind of goofball.
 
I also had one time where I forgot to turn on my headlights coming out of a place. A cop pulled up next to me and shouted, "Hey, dude, turn your [redacted] lights on!"
 
you can also buy a starter cart, its small enough to fit in the boot (=trunk)
 
a friend of mine once beat a ticket for driving without his lights on because he hadn't left a private parking lot before he was ticketed.
 
11:07 PM
Fortunate not to have that turn into a Whole Thing(tm), but that was a very chagrining mistake.
 
@Fargle did you sort out your $l_2$, $l_1$ combo problem?
 
I did not; I eventually decided the easiest thing to do was use the mean as a starting point and do descent.
Well, I guess that's a bit of a "yes-and-no".
 
the problem is convex, so you can order the $a_k$ and check each $a_k$ and each interval.
and convex problems are just beautiful...
 
The mean being so close to the true answer (even for a ~1000-size data set, the mean was <1 away from the integer minimizer) just made me bark up a bit of a wrong tree. My suspicion is that the problem was formulated in such a way as to force someone not to shortcut.
 
@Fargle I wish this had happened to me.
@leslietownes Lol
 
11:12 PM
@copper.hat The rain is beautiful :-)
Hi
 
certainly california needs rain at the moment. so do my cars which have not seen a wash in a month or more.
i am going for a run in the hills shortly, i love the air when it rains...
 
My 1971 Saab turned off the headlights automatically when you turned off the ignition. Modern cars aren't so civilized; they just beep at you to warn you.
 
An elegant car for a more... civilized age.
 
daytime running lights, so ahead of its time.
 
@TedShifrin My car does this, but I don't remember hearing it today.
;-;
 
11:14 PM
My car didn't have daytime running lights. My 2015 Honda Civic has those, though.
@Under I think we just tune out things like warning buzzers and beeps. Unfortunately.
 
unfortunately my 2003 wrx has seen better days...
 
Hmm, I'm trying to use a symmetry argument to help a poor soul with a question on main, but the computation is not bearing out my argument. Grr.
 
Very good idea to go for a run. I like to sit and play chess while it rains, I stopped running a long time ago. I should pick it up again.
 
i usually try to solve some little problem while running. never works, but i keep trying...
 
@TedShifrin I can think of several instances in my life where I've thought, "Why wasn't I warned about <x>?" and immediately my brain, like a diligent stenographer, pulls up the record of me seeing/hearing whatever warning. Funny how people work.
 
11:17 PM
and i mean little. i'm still grinding through Ted's Ch.1 problems.
 
The multivariable book, @copper?
 
we are not as synchronous nor rational as we like to think
@Fargle abstract algebra
abstract algebra is definitely not my forte
 
Ahhh. Never have read that one.
 
@Alex Are you following the World Championship in Chess, underway?
 
@copper.hat What are your favorite areas of math?
 
11:20 PM
i love watching magnus
 
I really like algebra, but I can't say I'm good at it. I find I need to refresh myself a lot, and my last adventure in doing so was something like two years ago. Now a couple of years of stochastic nonsense, financial math, and hobbyist programming have pushed that all out of my head...
 
@Alex convex analysis in $\mathbb{R}^n$.
i can grind through, but there is no spark (for abstract algebra).
carlsen is a great chess spokesperson, i think
 
@copper.hat He's so charismatic, and seems, very nice.
 
@amWhy yes, i get that feeling when i listen.
 
@amWhy Of course, Magnus's game was crazy, 7 hours or so but it was a great game. He is very humble despite being the best in my opinion. However, Nepo's game was very clean. What do you think?
 
11:23 PM
@copper.hat Absolutely, and ambassador, and he takes many new promising players under his wing.
 
Different strokes, as they say. I think I come down mostly rejecting firm classifications like "everyone's either an algebraist or an analyst" or whatever, but that people come to math with proclivities (however they get them) seems undeniable.
 
i am definitely in norbert's 99%
 
@Wolgwang Sorry, I dropped the ball. Here is what I meant.
 
@Fargle Your annoying brain may deterioriate with time :)
 
Gotta admit, that one went over my head.
 
11:24 PM
@copper.hat Someday I would like to be very good at analysis :-(
 
@TedShifrin Can't come soon enough, frankly.
 
norbert wiener wrote that 99% of maths is done by 1%.
 
@robjohn Well, we all know that $2\sin(\theta/2) = \theta$.
 
@Alex good luck!
 
@TedShifrin doh! what was I thinking.
 
11:25 PM
@Fargle Don't even think that. Losing brain acuity is one of the scariest things ....
 
the wages of $\sin$
i have already lost some
its painful to realise.
 
@TedShifrin Joke in poor taste. I've seen it first-hand, so I well know.
 
Yes, my memory seems not to be deteriorating nearly as much as most of my close friends'.
 
mine was never terribly good, so at least there is not much to lose :-)
 
I had a colleague at UGA who, even in his forties, could not remember anyone's names — not just students, but colleagues just down the hall from him.
 
11:27 PM
@Alex He is very humble, very rare to see these days, and he always gives credit to his opponents.
 
i worked with a prof at berkeley (sastry) who had an eidetic memory, great for remembering phone numbers...
i remember stuff, just not the name.
 
It does trouble me that I'm probably somewhere around my cognitive peak; alive long enough to know how I think best, and young enough to still be sharp.
 
eidetic memory, meaning he couldn't remember anything if it didn't happen at the end of ramadan.
 
Don't worry, Fred. We're not getting there any time soon.
 
:-) @leslietownes
 
11:29 PM
@Fargle That's not true. People tend to see what they believe, more often than believing what they see. People absorb such myths, and look for evidence to confirm it.
 
Which part isn't true, for clarity?
 
@amWhy From what I read it seems that Nepo used to play other games apart from chess. I guess at the moment he's the closest opponent to Magnus. I'm curious if Magnus can perform about 25 movements in his mind. It is incredible!
@copper.hat Does eidetic memory really exist? I have read that some people manage to develop strong memory techniques. My memory does not work well for me, I must have my notes at hand or show at every moment that I forget something. A problem
 
@Alex absolutely!
 
i have a great memory for all who have wronged me.
 
Does your memory keep track of how many smacks you've incurred up to the present?
 
11:36 PM
@leslietownes Aha! One of those kind of people! :P
 
@leslietownes that is vendetic memory
 
ted: to finite precision, yes. i've received a number of transcendental smacks.
 
@robjohn I would think it would be vindictive memory?
 
Interesting. Is someone altering my smacks to make them transcendental? My eye-rolls, I know, are that.
 
My memory is strange. I have extremely good memory for, say, strings of digits, or other similar small chunks of information, and I have a decent memory for technical or narrative information (thinking, like, basic physics, or stuff in history), but my social memory---remembering bits of conversations, putting names to faces---is exceptionally poor.
 
11:38 PM
@Fargle: I used to know zillions of phone numbers. Now I know zero.
Well, one.
 
@leslietownes auch :-( It usually happens, I still remember for example when a dog bit me hahah
 
fargle: what's the largest prime number whose decimal expansion you know? no fair using binary expansions.
 
How many digits of $\pi$?
 
6857.
 
ted: people make fun of me at work because i sometimes pause when giving my work phone number because i don't remember it.
 
11:39 PM
3.1415926535...and there I give out.
 
I used to remember 300 digits of $\pi$
 
they also make fun of me for other reasons.
 
(Never took the time to memorize further.)
 
i know an 11-digit prime because i used to have a prime phone number.
 
I apparently surprise people in my life for the details I remember from childhood. Highschool, College, Grad School, family, birthdates, dates of death. It's likely numerical, but also experiential.
 
11:40 PM
I used to know my work phone numbers (I had a few when I was associate dept head). I guess I still remember those. But among my friends, I know only my own. Everything else is in the phone.
 
@Fargle 3.14159265358392? I think, I don't remember anymore.
 
6857 I only know because of a Project Euler problem I've done enough times to have the key numbers memorized.
 
I'm terrible about birthdates, too. I know my sister's and a few friends'.
@Fargle: You and I are digits-of-$\pi$ consistent.
 
(The other key number, incidentally, is 600,851,475,143.)
 
@TedShifrin yeah, now that I don't dial the numbers myself anymore, they have faded.
 
11:41 PM
@robjohn 300 digits?! Wow Congrats!
 
Interesting how much memory is muscle memory, @robjohn.
 
@Alex that was back in high school.
 
I guess I'm surprised by how much mathematics I still retain.
 
@robjohn Cell phone companies have conspired to drain out capacity to remember, to make us reliant on them... Big Brother!!! ;D
 
I remember I once spooked my high school teacher who took us all out for dinner one time. For whatever reason, his card was passed around (I think to take the checks of all the students who couldn't pay, myself included).
 
11:42 PM
@amWhy they don't need to drain memory to make us reliant. If I walk my dog and forget my phone, I feel quite uneasy.
 
I walked by him near the end of the night and said the whole number to him. He looked at me and said "come on, man". (I was much more of a gremlin back then.)
 
Good news: my brother did not get fired today.
 
@XanderHenderson that is good news.
I didn't know that was a possibility.
 
@Fargle Not so much more.
What did he do, @Xander?
 
@robjohn Indeed. Apparently, the office where he works is super toxic.
 
11:44 PM
Well, I at least know not to scare people into that I'm going to defraud them.
 
Personalities and not chemicals, @Xander?
 
Granted, if I do get a job in finance, I suppose I'll be doing roughly the opposite.
 
@TedShifrin It is a long story, but the short version is that a coworker threw him under the bus in front of a judge.
 
A judge! Yikes.
 
@XanderHenderson Buses are not fun to be under
 
11:46 PM
@XanderHenderson Oh no! Sounds like things are looking up?
 
@amWhy He is looking to get out of that office as soon as he can.
I told him he should go into private practice and chase ambulances.
 
Oh, he's a leslie-type?
 
@XanderHenderson I do not blame him!
 
@TedShifrin Yes.
He works in the public defenders office.
 
Ah, more soul than leslie.
 
11:47 PM
@XanderHenderson That's right, I remember.
@TedShifrin Hah!
 
My wife will be retiring from being an attorney in a few months.
 
@robjohn Good for her.
:P
 
She is really looking forward to it
I will probably follow within a year.
 
I think that my brother would really like to move to Europe and teach, but he can't until his wife finishes graduate school.
 
We didn't know you'd been an attorney, @robjohn!
Teach what, @Xander?
 
11:48 PM
@TedShifrin retirement.
 
Which she really should have done three or four years ago, but (a) she is a little abrasive and (b) her committee doesn't seem to be able to get its act together.
 
You know how pedantic we mathematicians are, @robjohn ... And syntax is not with to be trifled.
That sounds like ingredients for never finishing, Xander.
 
@TedShifrin He has a pretty broad background. I think that he is thinking English, but he is also qualified to teach mathematics (to a high school level), history, sociology, etc.
 
@Alex well, i can only offer evidence :-). the person i was talking about could reproduce text from papers verbatim. including mistakes in the paper.
 
High school education in Europe is very different from here, though.
 
11:50 PM
@TedShifrin prepositions are not something with which to end a sentence.
 
i can attest to that
 
@robjohn applause!
 
@TedShifrin It is, but he has some experience there.
In Belgium, I think.
 
but we also had corporal punishment
 
@copper.hat To that, I can attest!
 
11:50 PM
My Ph.D. student trained previously to be an elementary teacher in Poland. She took a Rudin analysis course for calculus, just like all the Europeans we see in here as math majors.
 
POLAND. I read Portland, and was confused.
:D
 
that would be the west half plane
 
I typed no t as clearly as I could, Xander.
 
Do better.
Make your non-t even less t-ish.
 
I read Potland, so I too was confused.
 
11:52 PM
Potland maybe?
 
I'll take that under advisement.
 
snap
 
Maybe I'll just keep quiet. That would be novel. Maybe like nouvelle cuisine.
 
PREEMPTIVELY ACCOMMODATE MY DYSLEXIA!
 
@copper.hat Great minds think alike.
 
11:52 PM
@copper.hat that would be any desert land in San Bernardino
 
:-)
i have never smoked pot
 
nor have I
 
Nor I, copper.
 
@robjohn San Berdoo is right next to HIGHland.
I used to own a house in Highland.
 
I guess it's true that mathematicians really are boring.
 
11:53 PM
@copper.hat As in you "never inhaled?"
 
ok, off to tilden to pretend to run...
 
i've never smoked poland
 
Say hi to Willamette, @copper.
 
@XanderHenderson My wife and my college roommate lived across the street from each other on HIGHland Ave
 
@TedShifrin There is too much structure in a ring. I think that mathematicians are really bogroup.
 
11:54 PM
@amWhy :-) very anti inhaling after growing up with two chain smokers
 
@leslietownes though I have had smoked sausage from Poland
 
smacks Xander thrice for vile humor
 
@copper.hat Been there too!
 
@TedShifrin if i remember i might drive by on the way home :-)
 
@robjohn When my brother was working in the public defenders office in Bisbee, he lived in an apartment with the address "69a OK Ave".
 
11:55 PM
we are going low brow tonight, chef's in ec plaza for dinner
 
@TedShifrin I can't claim credit for the joke.
It appeared in a comment yesterday.
But I deleted the comment, so maybe I can take credit for it?
Oh, shoot. I've said too much.
 
@XanderHenderson That is an address to have!
 
the convo always gets interesting when i need to leave...
 
Bisbee looks like it's right smack in the middle of nowhere.
 
the cacti need a lot of defense
 
11:56 PM
@TedShifrin It is less in the middle of nowhere than Holbrook.
:P
But yes, it is pretty rural.
 
Well, it's pseudo-adjacent to Mexico.
 
I grew up on Easy Street. Literally! It was at the top of hill, and it was only "easy" going down hill! By literally, I mean that was the actual name of the street.
 
i used to live in iowa avenue in iowa city, iowa. i never tested whether mail would get to me if someone addressed it to my name, followed by a couple of iowas.
i expect it would have, because of my high reputation
 
gags
 
@amWhy There is an Easy St in Simi Valley, just on the other side of the hill from here
 
11:59 PM
@leslietownes It probably would have.
 

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