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6:00 PM
I see no way to make this precise in a way that works for the vertices of a square
 
The statement is universal on A
Given any A, you can come up with uniform proportion such that ...
 
Uh very weird
 
(proportion) amount of A is contained in a ball around a point
It is extremely strange
But after dinner if anybody's interested
 
I won't be here but I'd like to hear more about this, maybe tomorrow
 
@user2103480 Dork
 
6:04 PM
lol
owned
what do you think of the lemma mike
geometry of finite sets
 
@MikeMiller justified reply
 
most fundamental
 
Unrelated but I just discovered that Barilla (the pasta brand) has a spotify accounts with playlists of lengths equal to the cooking times of different kinds of pasta and I'm not sure what to say about that
@BalarkaSen But Gromov told me that there is no geometry in finite sets
 
@AlessandroCodenotti what's in their spaghettini no 3 playlist
 
Not if you increase the cardinality
 
6:06 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti wtf
 
must be a special song
 
@AlessandroCodenotti this is wild
 
@user2103480 they only have a spaghetti mixtape
 
@AlessandroCodenotti weak
do they have a bavette playlist
 
the gabagool movement
 
6:07 PM
@user2103480 send them your CV, they clearly need someone better for this job, very few playlists available and not particularly specialized either
 
"everytime Rewe offers your sauces for 1,99 I buy tons of 'em, you could not choose someone better"
 
I stock up on pasta when it's 50% off at rewe
(50% in Germany = the usual price in Italy by the way)
 
Car Spa Pan, BGN onaheteto, RATINE
Said the Lord
 
Italians be speaking in tongues
 
6:09 PM
@EdwardEvans
 
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
Morbit bio
 
lmao
 
Panettone is even misspelled
@MikeMiller is this what a stroke feels like?
 
death by italian
 
mortedella
3
 
6:12 PM
I sent that to someone who took ten minutes to realize there are a few actual words intended there
 
@AlessandroCodenotti criminal
have you already come to appreciate incredibly expensive mediocre pizza in germany?
 
Rewe Texmex pizza is the food of gods
 
if gods have an upset stomach then yes
But don't remind me, my gf's flat has neither microwave nor oven
 
tbf if I'm smashed then I go to the Rewe To Go and get myself two Texmex Pizzen
I call this Texmexniveau
 
I have never tried those
 
6:19 PM
I used to consoom so much rewe pizza
@EdwardEvans How early do you get smashed edward
 
@user2103480 In Bonn there were some amazing Italian places for pizza. I still have to find a really good in Münster since everything's closed more or less apart from take away food
 
oh yeah there are some good places, but often it's sooo expensive, at least in the city
Although Köln Kalk has great cheap pizza places
 
@user2103480 Rewe to go at the Bahnhof is open until late usually
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Provided you have a big enough main train station
 
Demonic @Alessandro, are you back in Germany now?
 
6:21 PM
The Rewe To Go I'm talking about is 24hr in a petrol station lmao
 
@EdwardEvans Ehre
 
vallah ähre
 
Oh yeah there's a petrol station rewe close to the math department in Münster too. I don't know if its 24h but we got beers there many times
 
@EdwardEvans ok alman
 
alman degilim abi amk
 
6:22 PM
@TedShifrin No, I just returned to Italy (I'm staying for a week)
 
I figured COVID travel would be a mess.
 
@EdwardEvans nice
 
sagol
 
I have to get tested before leaving and after returning, as well as signing a thousand documents explaining why I'm travelling
It was worse the last time, now they figured it out and everything is better organized
 
I am hoping that after a few months they will require vaccines for air travel, and then I'll feel more hopeful about traveling.
 
6:24 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti I wish the UK government could say the same
 
I'd get vaccinated if I could but young healthy students are not very high on Germany's priority list for vaccination
 
lol I think I have some claim to priority for vaccination
 
Well, it's going to take a while. The problem in the US is all the Trompies who refuse to be vaccinated.
 
but I haven't looked into it yet because I don't leave the house anyway
 
@EdwardEvans travelling to and especially from the UK is way worse, because of the mutated strand issue
 
6:25 PM
my wife had her first shot already. priority to 'educators.' all of the people in her zoom rooms are going to be a lot safer now.
 
Well, and the supply is not yet sufficient to handle the weekly load.
 
@AlessandroCodenotti why do they care at all we're at 50% prevalence now
 
What does that mean?
 
@leslie Well, they're trying to get 'em all back in the classroom, of course.
 
@AlessandroCodenotti yep :/
 
6:26 PM
50% of sequenced genomes are from the mutated strain
 
i get it. although i don't think anybody is prioritizing her students. because they're young and mostly healthy, except when they're not. i'm glad i'm not teaching anymore. she has had to deal with a number of students with deaths in the family or household. i'm not built for that
 
Not sure, but both Italy and Germany have special rules if you come from the UK, south Africa, Brazil, Ireland and maybe a few more places
 
i told my wife she can keep her bill gates microchips if she wants to but that i was disabling even 4G on my phone so i don't catch her illness.
i've also wrapped several of my devices in tin foil
this isn't even funny, i'll stop joking about it
 
The UK government wasted 22 billion pounds on their failed test and trace app and various corrupt contracts given to friends of the government/party donors
 
6:31 PM
@leslietownes man I sure hope we get them microsoft office permanent licenses with the shot
 
And for perspective, it cost 3 billion to land a big science car on the surface of Mars
 
22 billion is a lot of pounds
 
truth
 
i want my fake windows license key free with the flu shot
do it once and no more updates
 
i would love a MS office permanent license. i have to use it for work. one time someone gave me guff about not having it on my home PC (when the office network was down). i shamed them by explaining that IT best practices was not to keep any confidential information on my home computer.
"you don't, like, email yourself word documents at home, do you?"
wow, you weren't kidding. 22 billion. i thought maybe you had just made up an absurdly large number. truth is always stranger than fiction.
is it too late to submit other bids? i will offer a functioning test and trace app to the UK government for 21 billion pounds.
the testing is the hard part. the tracing i'll just build off of grindr. pretty good data there.
 
6:41 PM
lmfao
Yeah the list of dodgy contracts awarded by the government is insane
and nobody is doing anything about it
also
 
sanity check: if $M,N$ are two manifolds and we glue them along a diffeomorphism $f$ of their boundaries, are the images of $H^{2n}(M\cup_fN,\partial M\cup_f\partial N)\rightarrow H^{2n}(M\cup_fN)$ and $H^{2n}(M\cup_fN,\mathring{M}\cup\mathring{N})\rightarrow H^{2n}(M\cup_fN)$ orthogonal with respect to cupping?
 
6:57 PM
this absolutely isn't what you're asking for, but there was a time period, i want to say 2005-06, where i may have been able to answer that question
 
@leslietownes heh, you are great.
 
7:17 PM
@Thorgott Jesus
Do you really need this for something
M,N are 4n-manifolsd?
 
Why doesn't math render properly in chat? Do i have to change some options somewhere?
 
So that intersection product is symmetric
 
yeah, right
I'm trying to prove something
 
What are these images dually in terms of submanifolds? Can you say? I don't immediately see.
 
if this is true, I'm done
 
7:22 PM
I'm intuiting orthocomplements of these seem to be "manifolds contained in the glued boundary" and "manifolds contained in one side or the other"?
 
Balarka has given a proof
 
No I don't care about manifolds anymore
Finite sets only
The above picture is a generic phenomenon for finite sets.
 
You scoffed at me when I said we should do combinatorics
 
When man
 
7:23 PM
@OneColdRuben I have a link in my bookmarks to start chatjax. it is a mess but i copied it from some page. needs to be reloaded once per session
 
I said we should solve the number of self-avoiding walks
on Z^n
 
something like that, yeah, but I'm not good with duality
I'm trying to argue by disjoint supports, but it's a bit more awkward than that
 
@Thorgott Oh, this is fine if you think in terms of cohomology. I am just so used to translating in terms of homology.
 
hello, if G is a connected graph and A is adjacency matrix, then for what value of d does A+A^2........+A^d is non-zero for all off diagonal entries?
 
I hate your notation so I suggest my own. $M \cup N$ for the union and $S$ for the image of the boundary and $C \cong S \times (-1,1)$ for a collar neighborhood. Notice that the former space can be replaced by $H^{2n}(M \cup N, C)$ at no cost. So these are cochains which vanish on C. The cochains from the other guy are cochains which vanish on $M \cup N \setminus S$.
Notice too that by Barycentric subdivision argument you can replace $C_*(M \cup N)$ with $C_*([M \cup N \setminus S] + [C])$, chains supported in one of these two open factors.
 
7:29 PM
@BalarkaSen I'm shocked! Paging Hippa for a meme.
 
Since your cupped cohomology class vanishes on chains contained in each factor it vanishes on the whole of that second chain complex. Every cycle in $C_*(M \cup N)$ is homologous to one in that chain complex so you are finished.
This ought to be a correct proof that if $X$ is the union of open subspaces $A$ and $B$ then the cup products of $H^n(X, A)$ and $H^n(X, B)$ lie in $H^n(X, A \cup B)$.
 
@monoidaltransform Did you use the formula for the sum of a geometric series?
 
Hello friends, I have a way of showing rational number to be countable is it correct?
 
Obviously my argument could be made cleaner, I haven't thought about this in three hundred years @Thorgott.
 
@jeea is it posted on math.se? it certainly reaches the correct outcome if it concludes that the set of rational numbers is countable.
 
7:34 PM
Reduce rational number to lowest form $p/q$ and then let total digits of numerator and denominator be $t$, then we map this rational number to $p$ in decimal, then $t$ zeros, then $q$ in decimal concatenated. For example $3/11$ becomes $300011$
 
@TedShifrin @MikeMiller For any finite set $S \subset \Bbb R^n$ define for any $s \in S$, the isolation radius $\rho(s) = \min\{d(s, t) : t \in S \setminus \{s\}\}$.

Let us denote, for any $\varepsilon \in (0, 1)$, the annulus $\mathcal{A}(\varepsilon, x, y) = S \cap (B(x, \rho(x)/\varepsilon) \setminus B(y, \rho(x)\varepsilon))$. Note that if $\varepsilon$ is closer to $0$, the annulus is "thicker", with incenter $x$ and outcenter $y$.

Fix $0 < \varepsilon < 1$. There exists a uniform constant $C = C(\varepsilon)$ such that for any finite set $A \subset \Bbb R^n$ and for any $k \geq 2$ n
That is to say, given any finite set $A$, seen from most points of $A$, most of $A$ clutters around a single point of $A$.
 
@TedShifrin yeah and I got d must be the the number of vertices
right?
 
@jeea Seems clever but not obvious to prove this is an injection into N. (Do you already know every infinite subset of N is in bijection to N?)
Here is a variant on your idea that works immediately.
 
there's certainly a surjective map from (integers) x (nonzero integers) to Q. that ought to be enough without specifics of lowest terms or any decimal encoding. it looks like that map might be injective, but proving it seems annoying, given numbers that can terminate in large numbers of zeros and still be parts of fractions in lowest terms. i just wouldn't want to get into analyzing that.
 
Write +- p/q in lowest terms. Write p and q in binary. Then write the integer whose first digit is 9 if +, 8 if -, then is p written in binary, then the digit 5, then q written in binary.
 
7:41 PM
@monoidaltransform Actually, I'm not sure it helps, since $(I-A)^{-1}$ is a mess. I don't have any idea.
 
Bob and I had the same idea.
 
i like how that avoids the thinking about zeros.
 
nah, this is perfectly fine
I had brooded over this too long and needlessly confused myself, thanks for clearing it up
 
@leslietownes The idea of the 0's was as padding, so I just rephrased in a way where the padding is unique.
 
Isn't length of the longest path enough instead of number of vertices? A^d counts paths of length d
 
7:43 PM
Is the graph directed?
 
no not directed
 
Does it matter?
 
That sum computes the number of paths of length at most d between i and j, yes
 
OK, easier.
 
so d is number of vertices, right?
 
7:45 PM
@MikeMiller actually no to that question, i dont know much about all that things, only our teacher asked us just like that to think why rational is countable
 
Diameter of the graph suffices, no?
 
we haven't talked about diameter
 
maybe now is the time. in therapy, the things we haven't talked about are the things i should be talking about.
 
@monoidaltransform OK. You can use the size of the graph, that's fine.
 
This is probably not the proof they had in mind, then.
It's a cute idea
 
7:48 PM
thanks @BalarkaSen
 
I cannot believe I went about my life without knowing every finite set tends to have only one accumulation point
Proved in 2008 lmao
all of math is a lie
 
Evening
 
Yes. And now its racist if you ask the internet, because of the Bill Gates interview.
Here is the link to $ [Newsweek]newsweek.com/…$
 
@Balarka $n$ points evenly spaced on a circle? Which point gets the honor?
 
wat
 
7:57 PM
Newsweek is a right-wing magazine now.
 
I think the point is that a finite set doesn't tend to be n points evenly spaced on a circle.
 
LOL, oh.
So it's with high probability ...
 
Yes, he's a probabilist now, so one should interpret every statement he says as with high probability.
 
When he was a topologist every map was smooth and between manifolds. So it is.
 
8:00 PM
@MikeMiller back then he only dropped smooth lines
 
The fact is true for all finite sets. But it is hard to demonstrate it for a single finite set, by the format of the statement.
 
Gee ... how do you typecast me, @MikeM?
Really, Balarka? So what do you say about my highly symmetric case?
 
Maybe it's the center of the circle
 
Not part of the finite set.
Eh the point is that you have to start by fixing a point in your set that "sees" the rest of the set, and then you have to fix some level of eyesight.
So fix any point among the $n$ as your eye
Fix a level of eyesight; the ball with this level of eyesight contains all your visible neighbors
The rest of the points are kind of "in the horizon"
So of course, it'll accumulate towards the antipode
But to say any of this quantitatively you need to read the statement I wrote down
 
what caused balarka to switch fields
also, are you a graduate student yet?
 
8:07 PM
In [8] H. Namazi, P. Pankka, and J. Souto found the
lemma useful to show a certain non-degeneracy of the distributional limit
of random Riemannian manifolds with a curvature bound.
 
But this is true for every choice of starting point.
 
Who cares if it's interesting
 
Who says I switched fields
This is geometry
 
@BalarkaSen this is interesting I guess
 
@TedShifrin Maybe he means pointed finite sets
 
8:07 PM
@TedShifrin Most choices of starting points, yeah
 
So symmetry says that if you have one answer, then you have $n$ answers.
 
Oh, once you fix the "eyeing" point, there is only one answer, the antipode.
If you take any other point then you off-center your horizon too much
Points will not accumulate there
Take $n$ massive, you do not get a proportion of points contained in a small ball about a non-antipodal point that scales with $n$
 
So Mike is right? A finite set together with choice of eye ?
 
@BalarkaSen I gotta learn more about cameron-martin spaces next semester to really tell the story, but one day you'll be hit by a wall about gaussian measures on hilbert spaces and how there's a commutative diagram of maps, for some covariance operator Q and a predictable operator-valued process H

Collection of Gaussians -> Collection of Brownian Motions -> collection of stochastic integrals over projections
| | |
 
For MOST choices of eyes, there will be an accumulation point wrt the eye :)
 
8:10 PM
goddamn stackexchange why did you delete my spaces
 
So you do not need to do pointed sets
 
Lmao nice commutative diagram
 
But with symmetry, no choice of eye is better than any other.
 
@MikeMiller triple arrow
 
I'm going to use a triple lined arrow
 
8:11 PM
triple the power
 
In your example, I agree.
But someone can give me a highly non-symmetric finite set
 
So the general eye-independent statement is ... at least one accumulation point.
 
beautiful diagram
I approve
 
I would say there is no eye-independent statement; you have to pick a point (at random, maybe), place an eye there, and ask for some accumulation point wrt that eye's horizon.
 
A ≡> B if A really fucking implies B
8
 
8:13 PM
Oh, so for every eye there must always be an accumulation point?
 
Certainly, because you can imagine the rest of the points beyond your visibility range accumulating towards some point in your horizon. But for a random choice of an eye, this accumulation point is also unique.
 
@MikeMiller lmao
 
That's really what the lemma is trying to say
 
Poincare Conjecture ≡> the 3-sphere is homeomorphic to the space obtained by gluing two balls together along their boundary
 
OK, I totally did not get this. I guess that with symmetry you can predict reliably where it'll be if you know one.
 
8:16 PM
Yeah
 
Got it.
 
I attended a talk by a probabilist who kept using this lemma and hyperbolic geometry to prove whatever he wanted to prove and was amazed that they understand geometry better than me.
I'm shattered by the thought to be honest
@user2103480 wtf is this diagram
dude you should teach me (a) what a Gaussian free field is and (b) what a Schramm-Loewner evolution is
I do not know enough stochastic geometry for either
I also absolutely did not know a Brownian motion is conformally invariant but that makes sense in retrospect
 
Makes sense.
Scale-invariant.
 
And at each infinitesimal step rotationally-symmetric, because normals are
 
wtf is stochastic geometry
actually don't answer
 
8:22 PM
LOL
I still have no idea what non-commutative geometry is.
 
one of my professors does anabelian geometry, but interestingly, contrary to what semantics might lead us to expect, anabelian =/= non-commutative
 
It makes sense as soon as you do the algebraic geometer thing and accept that spaces are captured by the functions on them.
 
But this came from Connes, not alg geo.
 
But they start the same place!
Operator algebra theory these days starts with an exposition of Gel'fand duality.
Which says that a compact Hausdorff space X may be recovered from its algebra of continuous functions C(X).
 
Oh, OK. I know nothing.
 
8:26 PM
As the spectrum of closed maximal ideals in C(X) [with a topology very unlike Zariski].
 
It is subspace-Zariski
But very different from Zariski yeah
@MikeMiller: Fun fact, biholomorphism type of domain in $\Bbb C$ can be recovered from the algebra of holomorphic functions on it
 
I always think of it in terms of weak topology on C(X)*
 
Same thing
 
So [obvious anachronism] you study C(X) and then invent C* algebras as the relevant properties of these. Then you notice there are plenty of noncommutative C* algebras. For instance, bounded operators on Hilbert space.
Then you pretend you are doing topology because you were when you were working with the commutative ones.
 
If my matrices don’t commute, it's too hard for me (says the linear algebra student).
 
8:29 PM
IIRC the first example of a "noncommutative space" that Connes talked about is attached to a foliation of a manifold, so a real geometric object. Somehow the noncommutativity is about the way the leaves accumulate onto each other in some confusing way.
 
Define a noncommutative complex manifold for me
 
If you take foliation by $\alpha$-slope lines in $T^2$ you get the "$\alpha$-noncommutative torus", the algebra $\Bbb C \langle T, S\rangle/\langle TS - ST = e^{i\alpha} T\rangle$ or something liek this.
 
Interesting!
 
Through some K-theory junk one can actually use this gadget to classify the foliations of $T^2$ by lines up to diffeomorphism.
(These things are equivalent in the relevant sense iff $\alpha_1, \alpha_2$ are rationally dependent, I believe, so that the foliations by $\alpha_1, \alpha_2$ lines are equivalent iff those are rationally dependent.)
 
Ah, interesting. Isn't everything a suspension foliation?
Then Poincare's work on $\text{Diff}(S^1)$ does the job
 
8:32 PM
Yes, yes, of course.
This was known many decades before Connes.
I believe I agree with you that classical results should be enough (thoughh I'm not certain which you mean, did he classify diffeomorphisms up to smooth conjugacy????)
@BalarkaSen No, you tell me. What structure is used to recover Omega in the case of planar domains?
 
I really should have learned some of this stuff., Too late now.
 
Yeah, diffeomorphisms upto smooth conjugacy is classified by the rotation number, which is defined mod 1.
 
Oh, then that's not quite what we want, right?
 
Rotation number is like the asymptotic slope of a leaf in the foliation on $T^2$.
 
Since if $\alpha$ is rational this is equivalent to the standard thing.
And conjugacy class of the thing we're suspending doesn't notice that
 
8:35 PM
Well, if it's defined mod 1 then you're keeping track of rational dependence already
 
I'm just saying that if $T_\alpha$ means torus with foliation by lines of slope $\alpha$, then $T_\alpha = \text{Susp}(R_\alpha)$, but $R_\alpha$ is not conjugate to $R_0$ unless $\alpha = 0$.
Identity is its own conjugacy class
I'm sure this must be old and well-known though, this fact I've stated
 
Oh sure sure sure I see so maybe you need to keep track of rotation number both meridianally and longitudinally
That must be the classification.
 
I'm not sold!
Anyway, too hard for me
I have to write about iterating dynamical systems
 
Yeah I am not sure but I see the subtlety
I'll think some other time
 
8:50 PM
@BalarkaSen its shit thanks to SE deleting the spaces I put inbetween the arrows
@BalarkaSen just another generalization of normal distribution
solved
 
complete list of all topics in probability:
normal distribution
 
I swear
BM is, with the appropriate embedding, just a gaussian distribution on a hilbert space. That's what cameron-martin spaces are about
 
so you're saying I am correct, yes
 
yes
another way to phrase this is that its all just a big heat equation
 
@Thorgott This is a theorem
In fact it's a number of theorems
 
9:03 PM
yeah exactly
 
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A: What methods are used to look into $\pi^{\pi^{\pi^\pi}}$ and other stacked towers of repeating irrational numbers?

user76284The question is a bit ambiguous, but we can interpret it as one about computability and decidable equality. Let $\mathbb{Q}$ be the set of rational numbers, $\mathbb{Q}^+$ be the set of positive rational numbers, and $\mathbb{R}$ be the set of real numbers. A computable real number is a real numb...

Hopefully makes sense.
 
@BalarkaSen apparently, GFF is an instance of the stuff I want to tell you about
 
Thanks @MikeMiller @TedShifrin
I am so excited about giving a talk to kids in PI day
it will be nice
 
But you gotta wait like 5 months, I dont have enough PDE power to handle the laplacian/sobolev space stuff yet. We had gaussian measures on hilbert spaces in the SPDE course but we swept the details under the rug. Next semester there's a course on "gaussian measures in infinite dimensions & invariant measures for PDE" and I think it'll be about much of the stuff
 
9:44 PM
@TedShifrin It's never too late!
@MikeMiller $\unicode{x21db}\unicode{x21da}$ threatens the existence of the universe
3
 
10:19 PM
@robjohn it's growing too powerful
 
I have question
is number theory even important?
 
10:35 PM
no
 
maybe it will become important and useful one day
 
10:51 PM
if I have a symmetric bilinear form on a vector space $V$ and a direct (not necessarily orthogonal) sum decomposition $V=V_1\oplus V_2$ and furthermore the form is zero when restricted when $V_2$, is the signature of the form equal to its signature when restricted to $V_1$?
this is supposedly true, but I can't even do linear algebra anymore
 
@EdwardEvans you there
 
it's false, actually, $\begin{pmatrix}0&1\\1&0\end{pmatrix}$ and $\mathbb{R}^2=\langle(1,1)\rangle\oplus\langle(1,0)\rangle$
 
11:06 PM
Is anything important?
 
number theory is as important as other genres of math, which is to say, it isn't
 
good man
 
this
 
https://www.ihes.fr/~gromov/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Learning-understanding-two-chapters-aug24-2018.pdf
except for this document
 
11:18 PM
oh no
not this fever dream again
 
smh I'm really redundant
character consisting of 3 math memes
I'd rather have 3 math and no memes
 
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