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4:43 PM
Why is it true for a finitely generated algebra with maximal ideals $m_i$, that $A \cong A/m_1^{s_1}\times \dots\times A/m_k^{s_k}$ ?
 
i swear i m also studying this chapter too lol
 
what's s_1,...,s_k
 
positive integers I guess
 
which
 
It's stated as a "standard result of commutative algebra"
 
4:48 PM
or are you saying it's true for some
 
finite Algebra over a field* sorry
 
wait, finite or finitely generated
 
finite
 
ah
 
This is CRT
 
4:50 PM
then the algebra is necessarily Artinian and that's the structure theorem for Artinian rings
 
Or, it's CRT. :P The product m1 ... mk of maximal ideals has some large power which is the zero ideal
That's by Artinian-ness
 
the product of all maximal ideals is zero, no need for a power
 
C[x]/(x^2)
What garbage Thorgott?
 
oh, you're right
 
2-categories
 
4:58 PM
@BalarkaSen Please don't use offensive algebra notation, the modern geometric and politically correct term is fuzzy point (or point with order 1 fuzziness if you want to be very precise)
 
lmao
 
Yeah that's the only good way to think about finite algebras
 
owo-point
 
So if we remove the $s_i$ we get the ring quotiented by nilpotents
And we can power them to make those vanish or something
 
I just read a proof where a Ramsey like property is established by picking a colouring and then doing some magic with its orbit under a group action in the space of all colourings, my mind is blown
 
5:01 PM
hmm, I don't think so
 
I think you have to be a little careful. Ideal of nilpotent elements doesn't mean nil-ideal
 
What do you mean ?
 
the nilradical is always nilpotent in an Artinian ring
that's what we agreed to above
since prime<=>maximal in an Artinian ring and maximals are comaximal, the product of the finitely many maximal ideals is the nilradical (and also the Jacobson radical)
nvm
 
In a graph, all 1-cochains are cocycles, right?
'Cause their boundary would be a 2-cochain, which don't exist in graphs
 
5:29 PM
What is this group law $(e^{-a},e^{-\frac{1}{a}}) ⭐️ (e^{-b},e^{-\frac{1}{b}})=(e^{-ab},e^{-\frac{1}{ab}})$ isomorphic to? I think it's isomorphic to the multiplicative group of real numbers?
The mulitplicative group of real numbers being denoted by $G=(\Bbb R^+, ⭐️)$
 
ye, positive reals under multiplication
 
with an isomorphism being $e^{-a}\mapsto a$ I suppose
 
y
 
wait isn't $(\Bbb R^+,\times)$ a possible group law on $XY=1$
 
that sentence doesn't make sense
 
5:41 PM
I thought it did, but I believe you that it doesn't
If $\Gamma$ is a hyperbola $XY=1$ then $G(\Gamma)$ is isomorphic to $(\Bbb R^+,\star)$
 
whats G(Gamam)
 
that's the notation this author is using to denote this group structure on a hyperbola
 
what group structure
 
From what I understand the group structure would be $(\Bbb R^+,\times)$
 
6:01 PM
isomorphic to, if anything
 
6:11 PM
From what I understand the group law $(a,1/a) \oplus (b,1/b)=(ab,1/ab)$ gives a way to add points on $xy=1$
 
This is a slightly silly way to do things I think.
What you have here is the multiplicative group seen as a closed subgroup of affine space one dimension higher
Sorry, as a closed subset
So you identify its coordinate algebra, which is $k[x,x^{-1}]$, with $k[x,y]/(xy -1)$
And the group operation is the usual one coming from $x\mapsto x\otimes x$.
 
what's poppin my homies
 
sanity check
if $a_n,b_n\geq 0$
and $\sum_n b_n$ converges
then so does $\sum_n a_n$ and moreover, $\sum_n a_n\leq \sum_n b_n$
right?
 
You might want $a_n \le b_n$
 
6:20 PM
but yeah
 
$a_n\leq b_n$
 
because $\sum_{n\le N} a_n$ is increasing and bounded from above by $\sum b_n$
 
So if the above group law gives a way to add "points" on $xy=1,$ What's the correct way to express the addition of all points on $xy=1$ to all points on $xy=4$ for example?
Oh scratch that. I could write: $1/x \oplus 4/x=5/x$ which can be generalized to $a/x \oplus b/x=(a+b)/x$
and this is isomorphic to $(\Bbb R,+)$
 
Not a day goes by in the chat without some algebra/algebraist bashing
 
so the former group law maps points "along" the curve, while this latter group law maps curves to other curves in the family, and the groups are isomorphic
crazy
 
6:55 PM
@SayanChattopadhyay I have some idea of who the source of that is :p
 
so anyway let $\mathcal{C}$ be a $2$-category...
 
Is there a term for a ring $R$ such that $R/\text{nil}(R)$ is Dedekind?
(So, essentially it'd be like a Dedekind domain with a spicy sprinkling of nilpotent elements)
 
hey
 
hi
 
Greetings
 
7:15 PM
How does one prove that the circle is the shape with optimal surface/perimeter ratio ?
 
aren't surface area and perimeter the same thing
 
What do you mean ?
 
I thought they're synonyms
 
the perimeter is the length of the sides, the surface area is the area enclosed in the sides
 
7:35 PM
ok, and optimal means?
 
maximal
So given a fence of a given length, what's the shape that encloses the maximal surface area ?
 
So you want a proof of the isoperimetric inequality?
The classical approach is based on Steiner symmetrization
And then you need a little bit of measure theory
I think there is a neat proof by Gromov but I can't remember where to find it. Let me summon the Gromov scholar, are you here, @Balarka?
 
if you only want to prove it for nice shapes (say, $C^1$-curves), there's a fairly simple proof using a bit of Fourier theory
 
@Thorgott would you have a link ?
Or the time and will to explain it
 
Right, I was thinking about the GMT version that holds for any Lebesgue measurable set
There is a nice exposition in Maggi's book "sets of finite perimeter"
 
7:44 PM
Cheers, I'll look into that
 
It's in chapter 14 but it should be fairly self contained
 
I've read this in a german book, so I don't have a reference rn. I can try telling you the proof later
 
I don't mind if the proof is in german
 
8:04 PM
is this calculus of variations
 
I would call it geometric measure theory but I don't really know what calculus of variations is
 
wikipedia says it's calculus of variations
 
@Astyx Look in section 1.3 of my differential geometry text for the standard proof using Green's Thm.
I learned it from Chern, but I got all the details right :)
 
Will do!
neat
 
8:19 PM
ah, in that case my reference is Königsberger, Analysis 1, ch.16.8.
he credits the proof to Hurwitz, so I'm sure there's online references as well
ah, it seems you can also find such a proof in Körner's nice book "Fourier Analysis"
 
Wow Fourier crushes the problem
 
clearly one can do a proof by soap
 
Is that guaranteed though ?
I guess bubbles do try to minimize surface area for a fixed volume
To diminish surface tension
 
8:39 PM
I feel like there should be a flow proof
 
Was I summoned
Yes there's a flow proof
 
@BalarkaSen You were, isn't there a short and neat proof by Gromov?
 
Oh lol yeah there's a proof by "Pythagoras' theorem" as he calls it
 
How does it go? I think the GMT professor told us about this proof in the first lecture of the course, but I can't remember anything about it
 
Arclength of the boundary of $\Omega$ is the boundary measure so you wish to estimate $(\mu(B_\varepsilon(\Omega)) - \mu(\Omega))/\epsilon$ where $B_\epsilon(-)$ is the $\epsilon$-enlargement of the domain
I think the manifestation of Pythagoras is $\mu(A + B)^{1/2} \leq \mu(A)^{1/2} + \mu(B)^{1/2}$ for any two subsets $A, B \subset \Bbb R^2$
$A + B$ being Minkowski sum
 
8:55 PM
we learned that version of Pythagoras in middle school
 
Aha I vaguely remember something along those lines
 
It's a surprisingly simple inequality
$B_\varepsilon(\Omega)$ I guess is just $\Omega + B_\varepsilon(0)$
 
@Thorgott I learned the boring version for the geometric realization of some simplicial sets
 
so you play around with the inequality above and isoperineq falls out
2 line proof
genius Gromov
 
a shame
@Balarka where can I find the flow proof
 
8:57 PM
shouldn't the integral on the RHS of the equality here imgur.com/a/T7nMwmD be with respect to $E$? Since $\mu \restriction E$ is a measure on $\mathcal{F}_E$ which is a $\sigma$-algebra on $E$, not on $X$ necessarily?
 
I don't know, it's folklore to me. You can learn Ricci flows from Toppings' notes; I think you want to flow along the ODE $d\gamma_t/dt = -\kappa \mathbf{N}$ where $\kappa$ is the curvature
you have to show (1) every curve goes extinct in finite time under this flow (2) there are no neck pinches
then some calculus will tell you that asymptotically every curve becomes the round circle
I can go into more details but eh
(2) is really surprising to me tbh
 
yeah no, I don't know Ricci flow business
 
learn the proof by entropy
 
I'll learn the proof by $(\infty,2)$-categories
 
alas there is no higher category approach
 
9:02 PM
... yet
 
@Astyx Note that there are two key ideas in the Fourier analytic proof, one is the Wirtinger inequality $\|f\|_{L^2} \leq \|f'\|_{L^2}$ which falls out of Plancharel's formula, and the other is the trick of replacing arclength by energy of a curve
 
Yup
 
Wirtinger is actually not a Fourier analytic fact, that's a 1D phenomenon. In general you have Poincare inequality, $\|f\|_{L^p} \leq C \|\nabla f\|_{L^p}$
and these are useful in highdim isoperineq
I accidentally figured out how to get it for $p = 2$ yesterday or something
the $\int \|y'\| = \int 1 = \int \|y'\|^2$ trick is wild though
Love that one
 
in This Is Fine, 2 hours ago, by Yuuki
Texas is leading the US in voter turnout right now?
 
@BalarkaSen Wait what ?
 
9:12 PM
yeah that's the arclenth-to-energy replacement
arclength parametrize the curve so that $\|y'\| = 1$
and $L = E$
 
Oh my bad I misread you
I gotta go, seeya
 
bye
 
cya
 
9:42 PM
Everyone seems to be interested in the isoperimetric inequality lately lol
 
Shapes in the noise
 
10:05 PM
How is everyone?
 
wagwan
 
I have to cram 14 lectures of statistics in about a day
 
nice
hf
 
I'm just
confused by dual
 
10:12 PM
duals are nfusing
 
unless you take two of them
 
WELCOME TO THE MACHINE
 
that's just
more confusing
I mean proving that that is what it is
$\check{\check{V}}$
The smoothness condition probs makes it more confusing
fortunately I'm not giving the talk so I can just pretend I understand and then blackbox
 
what is smoothness
 
every vector is stabilised by a compact open subgroup
idk why it's called smooth
you can't just take your smooth rep, dualize, and expect that that is also smooth
 
10:19 PM
weird
 
Howdy, weird @Balarka, @Edward, @Alessandro
 
Hi @Ted
 
init
Hi @Ted
@Thorgott do you know "Penny an der Reeperbahn"
 
Hi Ted
@Edward suggest me an album
 
@Alessandro D E A T H A T L A S
 
10:23 PM
Ok let me check it out
 
check out the song Bring back the plague
 
Architects announced a new album and released a single. The only small issue here is that said single is awful lol
 
oof sad
 
Nah I'll just listen to the whole album
 
oof nice
The vocalist is crazy
versatile af
 
10:24 PM
Also where is my 2020 vildhjarta album as promised? Why do they keep making fun on me like this
 
also it's basically a correct prediction of 2020 from 2019
ye wtf Vildhjarta
inte coolt
 
i watched Dark Side Of Oz a few days ago
phenomenal
 
YEAH MAN
all lines up
 
yeah man
its nuts
i was dumbstruck for half an hour afterwards
 
especially the transition into colour
 
10:28 PM
that and dorothy looking around as the music keeps going from left to right after "breathe" are the two things that i will never forget
there's like 70 coincidences anyway
 
ye man
crazy
 
yes bro lmao
its fantastic
 
hey chat
 
i have to watch it while mildly high i feel
but that's not happening anytime soon
 
once again talking about advanced linear algebra applications
 
10:30 PM
@Thorgott jesus, I watched it yesterday and laughed more than I've laughed in many years
genuinely had to try and calm down because I thought I might have a heart attack
and then the third part came and I had a very schlechtes Gewissen
 
I'll probably stick to the path-connectedness of $\mathrm{GL}(n,\mathbb{C})$. last thing I need to talk about is this fact relevance in the rest of math which... I don't know
how is that relevant?
 
You could try and show that there is a bijection between equivalence classes of irreducible admissible representations of $\operatorname{GL}_n(F)$ and equivalence classes of continuous Frobenius semisimple complex $n$-dimensional Weil-Deligne representations of the Weil group of $F$
lel I just wanted to write a lot of adjectives
 
@EdwardEvans does that mean anything at all?
 
yeah it's a part of the local Langlands correspondence for GL_n
but
idk I just wanted to write it because I've been reading about it
and now I feel shame
 
which one was the third specifically
 
10:42 PM
I think in the third one there's a dude who is just
asleep
and WILL NOT wake up, even when the police are like punching him in the chest
 
wow explosion
 
@Thorgott I like "Verstehen Sie Deutsch?" ... "bisschen" ... "Sie sind Beschuldigter in einem Strafverfahren, ihnen wird Ladendiebstahl zur Last gelegt."
 
ye lmao, that part hits differently
such a german sentence
 
it's just like
the guy can barely pronounce bisschen
and then he gets hit with that hahaha
 
"Do you know algebra?" ... "a little" ... "There is a bijection between equivalence classes of irreducible admissible representations of GLn(F) and equivalence classes of continuous Frobenius semisimple complex n-dimensional Weil-Deligne representations of the Weil group of F"
2
 
10:57 PM
hahahaha
Semester starts next week
pretty excited, pretty intensely scared
 
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