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1:09 AM
@JoonasIlmavirta So Latin isn't more complicated than other languages; it just seems that way to me.
 
 
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3:52 AM
@Adam I would say languages have this tendency to become simpler that you notice: some things are regularised and dropped off.
At the same time, they have a tendency to become more complex, when things are contracted to become unrecognisably more irregular
And there are other mechanisms.
So the Romance languages have lost some complexity from Latin, but gained some, too.
For example, the role and importance of word order might be considered a newish complexity, or the use of prepositions, or many other subtle rules.
An example of how Latin became more complex: I believe some scholars argue that e.g. the dative ending (originally -i) was once more like a particle or postposition or even praeposition, but it slowly became enclitic and eventually attached to the noun, then finally became a case ending.
And then the ending became less regular because of phonological changes.
 
 
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9:19 AM
@Cerberus Was it the same element that became the passive infinitive ending?
@Adam If you want a general example of languages becoming complicated quickly, creolization might be worth looking into.
@Adam Yeah, I wouldn't say it's very complicated. There one way of being uncomplicated that I greatly enjoy - very regular morphology.
 
 
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1:01 PM
@JoonasIlmavirta True it's likely English only seems simpler to me because it's my native language. I've heard English is more challenging to learn for non-speakers.
I suppose it's all subjective unless there's a consistent way to define what "more complex" is, anyway.
@Cerberus Is a case ending more complex than a separate particle in a highly inflected language? I don't actually know, just wondering. 😅
 
@Adam Yeah. For pretty much any pair of languages it's easy to find metrics making one or the other look more complex. The difficulties are in different places.
 
1:18 PM
Meanwhile I've fallen off the wagon a bit in studying. I guess this was my "summer break" before I pick it back up.
 
1:32 PM
@Adam When you promised yourself to get back up to speed come fall, did you specify the year?
 
@JoonasIlmavirta Haha, no.
 
@Adam Consider yourself released on a technicality, then!
Free procrastinatory services brought to you by Latin Language Stack Exchange.
 
2:10 PM
@JoonasIlmavirta You're in a pretty bad spot when you need to force your population to fight through a draft.
@JoonasIlmavirta Yay!
 
2:28 PM
@Adam No one likes being in a drafty place.
 
 
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4:11 PM
I solved today's Redactle (#173) in 20 guesses with an accuracy of 70.00%. Played at redactle.com
 
4:40 PM
Crazy!
 
@JoonasIlmavirta Indeed, who would want to fight against that?
 
 
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cmw
7:10 PM
@JoonasIlmavirta Beat me again!
I solved today's Redactle (#173) in 21 guesses with an accuracy of 71.43%. Played at redactle.com
 
> I solved today's Redactle (#173) in 11 guesses with an accuracy of 63.64%. Played at redactle.com
OK OK this I can do.
 
7:27 PM
I solved today's Redactle (#173) in 17 guesses with an accuracy of 82.35%. Played at redactle.com
Now we are talkin'.
 
@Cerberus I thought you might indeed get this one quickly.
That's a uniformly good performance from us four. We should clearly form a team and go professional.
 
7:48 PM
@JoonasIlmavirta You could actually play this with teams, too, with two teams discussing word choices amongst themselves before making team guesses.
Or you rotate through each person on the team and they individually make guesses for the team.
 
@Adam A team discussion before and between the early guesses would probably speed things up quite a bit. Individuals miss hints.
 
8:17 PM
That could actually be fun, playing it as a coöperative game.
@JoonasIlmavirta Uhh I should not think so?
@Adam Generally, the endings of a case tend to be not always the same, depending on the stem of the noun. And they may merge or contract with other endings/suffixes into something less recognisable.
 
@Cerberus I faintly recall reading somewhere (probably on this site) that one theory for the origin of the passive -i is that it is originally a dative ending. I can't remember details, and even if I could, I couldn't judge them.
 
Most odd!
 
8:33 PM
Not just slightly odd, but most odd. Perhaps fair-to-middling odd, or even oddly odd.
 
@Cerberus We could probably try that some day through this chat if there's interest. All it takes is agreeing on a time and trying it out.
@Adam It does not leave the mind unboggled, does it?
 
@JoonasIlmavirta Sure!
How about Redactle's time-zoning, though?
 
@JoonasIlmavirta Oddly, no.
 
@Cerberus It resets 7 pm Finnish time. That should be around 6 pm for you and noon or 9 am for the US coasts.
I don't want to start a new game too late and take the risk of not finishing in time. Something within fiveish hours of reset should work for me on most days.
 
@JoonasIlmavirta Ah! It turns out I had already seen that question and the other question behind it with the answer by Draconis.
 
8:46 PM
@Adam It would be interesting to read if there's a rationale for the dative thingy. I have trouble making sense of it.
 
@JoonasIlmavirta I sometimes kept my computer on, so that the page would not refresh, when I had not finished a puzzle before bed.
 
I just realized you can totally cheat and see what the answer is by looking at the request URL for Wikipedia's API.
I can't see what the word for tomorrow will be as they are blocking non-local access to the scripts that store the list of words used for the queries.
 
9:14 PM
I'm not surprised!
 
 
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10:31 PM
@Joonas: Has a "University Challenge"-type TV quiz-prog. reached Finland?
 
What is that?
 
11:03 PM
Anyone else noticed the Low Quality Post notification icon keeps reappearing even after the queue has been cleared?
 
11:14 PM
@Adam Yes, that happens to me, too.
And I seem to remember having seen similarly naughty dots in the past.
 
11:28 PM
@Cerberus Naughty dots, haha, oh man. That just made my day.
 
Hehe sorry.
 
No need to be sorry, laughs are always appreciated.
 
I think these two naughty dots were censored by Facebook, but not the other pair.
 
The first two members of the Eden facebook group
 
Haha yes.
Pagans!
Thankfully, Facebook did not exist in Mediaeval churches, or we'd lack much art.
Facebook is holier than Catholic churches.
In fact, Facebook is Protestant-prudish.
 
11:36 PM
Not medieval, but I'm imagining the Mona Lisa painted as though it were a selfie.
Such an influencer.
 
She is.
 

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