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Q: ¿Como se pronunciaría en español el término "non sequitur"?

Soy un estadounidense que vive en Uruguay hace unos diez años. Quisiera saber cómo ustedes pronunciarían la frase "non sequitur". ¿El "qui" cómo se pronuncia en español o en latín, si la fueran a utilizar en una conversación? (y de paso acoto también a mi pregunta: ¿la palabra término está bien ...

pronunciación latín

11 hours later…

6:11 PM

@EthanBierlein Salve!

Joonas Ilmavirta

It turns out I answered a question that now has votes to close. As it's not totally obvious, I'll refrain from voting, but I have nothing against duping it.

@JoonasIlmavirta Hmm but your answer contains interesting information that those on the other question do not.

Such as that older Latin preferred stress on the first syllable, and that this causes the reduction.

And just the extra information about reduction, which is useful.

I forgot, but I don't think we can merge answers from two questions.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus We can merge. Just go to the "mod" super secret menu in the new question, and you can choose a merge master question to which all answers would be moved.

Ahh.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I don't know what happens to the duplicate question and its reputation in a merge, though. It's a valid question and I'd prefer to have it around, even if only as a duplicate link.

6:26 PM

So we can.

Hmm.

We can't move only the answers?

The question is not exactly the same, even if the answers could be.

So perhaps just leave it open, then.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus Merging "deletes answers, moves them to the target question, and leaves the current question as a stub with a link to its merge target."

So I guess it'd look like a normal closed-as-duplicate but without answers.

Hmm are you sure that's what a stub looks like?

It's not just a redirect?

Joonas Ilmavirta

I don't really know.

If it really leaves the question up, then merging sounds like a good idea...the only thing is that some answers would require editing, because they need to include the word that the question asks about, not the other word.

I.e. you can't have an answer go on about inermis without explanation, when the question asks about iners.

Joonas Ilmavirta

Indeed. That'b be a little messy.

Of course, the new one can just be closed as duplicate. My new answer would still be there, but it wouldn't be easy to find if one starts from the older question.

But I feel partial and I don't want to defend my own answer.

6:31 PM

@Cerberus Correct, it would look like other duplicates. I think it also gets a special message on it too saying that answers were merged, but I don't know if everyone sees that.

Joonas Ilmavirta

I'm actually tempted to merge just for the sake of seeing it in action...

@JoonasIlmavirta I don't know: your answer would be less findable, and they are not strictly duplicates.

@Nathaniel OK then merging + editing would sound like a good idea, and something tells me Joonas would not be averse from [yes: from!] editing his own answer!

I love being able to pedant Latinly in this room.

I feel like there should be a way to see all merged posts on a site...

Perhaps there is some data thingy?

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus I'm completely inaverse, but I'll let others make the call.

@Cerberus SEDE might indeed work, but my mastery is insufficient.

6:40 PM

@JoonasIlmavirta You have my vote!

@JoonasIlmavirta But probably sufficenter than mine, since since I don't even know that abbreviation.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Nathaniel It'd be convenient. I found a merging tool on the mod pages, but no hint of a merge list.

@Cerberus You can always ask on meta if there's some data explorer magic to find merged questions. That way it'd be recorded for future use.

tada! latin.stackexchange.com/…

You wizard!

Also:

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A: Shouldn't merged questions be tidied and closed as duplicates before merging?

I've fixed the question. In the future, the moderator involved will know to close as a duplicate first before merging. There are a number of pitfalls involved with merging questions that new mods have to learn; it's not the most user-friendly tool in the bag.

Example: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/44208/…

and interestingly enough, even as a moderator I can't see the deleted answers on the original question

Huh.

That's odd.

6:47 PM

so they aren't just copied, they are truly moved

(I presume some notification will appear telling you to close as duplicate first, when merging a question.)

@Nathaniel Ah, yes, in that way, it makes sense.

apparently merging is possible even if the question isn't yet marked as a duplicate. But merging will take care of that.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Nathaniel For me that just redirects to another question with a different id. I never saw the new question.

Does that happen for all duplicates for an unregistered or low rep user?

Yes, I never saw the presumed duplicate.

oh, fascinating

here's one that has 0 answers but was not merged

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Q: Was there evil / darkness before god created everything?

When god created everything, the light was shining on darkness and the "darkness" never mastered it. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was also there when god created everything. The serpent acted against the will of God and which is supposed to be a lesser creation than the humans as envis...

Joonas Ilmavirta

6:51 PM

I see I'm still an apprentice in mod-wizardry.

*0 non-deleted answers, I should say

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Nathaniel It still redirects me.

So duplicate questions are essentially invisible to outside readers?

I wouldn't want to hide well worded questions. The slightly different perspectives are useful sometimes.

@Nathaniel One what?

@Cerberus a question marked as duplicate

@JoonasIlmavirta Normally, duplicates are visible, aren't they? That is, I think I often seen duplicates on SO?

Joonas Ilmavirta

6:55 PM

@Cerberus Are you registered on SO?

@Nathaniel OK but it says closed, not duplicate.

@JoonasIlmavirta Yes.

But with few points.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus That might make a difference. Perhaps outsiders are redirected.

and here's a duplicate with one answer: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/28377/…

also redirects?

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Look, the one above: I see "closed", not "duplicate". And I don't have an account there. Is this not what you see?

@Nathaniel I don't think so:

user image

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Nathaniel No, it doesn't.

6:58 PM

the one that was closed as duplicate was called "Was there evil / darkness before god created everything? [duplicate]"

Joonas Ilmavirta

I just tried one of the duplicates on Latin in a private tab, and it redirects.

Perhaps it depends on whether the duplicate has an answer?

that's what it looks like

Ugh.

Joonas Ilmavirta

So if we merge, then one question loses all answers and becomes invisible.

@Cerberus Meh.

So I think we don't want redirecting duplicates unless there is nothing of interest in the question, agreed?

And I think there is almost always something that one should be able to read in the duplicate question.

Joonas Ilmavirta

7:00 PM

@Cerberus I think so. I always thought the duplicates would be visible to all even without answers.

This does change my view on duplicates...

Because most "duplicate" questions are not true duplicates, but just questions that we want to close and refer people away from.

@JoonasIlmavirta So did I!

And mine.

So if the duplicate question is almost literally the same as the original, only then would I want it to redirect.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus Agreed. If not, then I'd rather write a short answer pointing out more substantial answers elsewhere and answering the present question concisely.

Yes, or just a comment.

Joonas Ilmavirta

@Cerberus But that'd leave the new question technically unanswered. I'd say we need an answer if there is something that answers the question.

Hmm fair enough.

Or someone else will answer anyway.

Not knowing about the duplicate.

Argh!

Joonas Ilmavirta

7:06 PM

@Cerberus Indeed.

@JoonasIlmavirta So this is probably the best approach, yes.

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9:17 PM

Discussion worth checking out, since we get quite a few questions on HNQ:

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Q: Revisiting the "Hot Network Questions" feature, what are our shared goals for having it?

Some things happened yesterday that caused a need for us to (quickly) remove a site's eligibility to contribute to the list of hot network questions. For those of you not familiar with what we've come to call the 'HNQ' list, please visit the link; the list of questions shown as 'hot' on stackexch...

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