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1:09 AM
Now I can learn this.
1:50 AM
@DannyuNDos sorry, I don't read Klingon.
Korean*
That is one of the weirder autocorrects my phone has done...
2:33 AM
There's an English text above; look closer.
 
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3:50 AM
@DannyuNDos The correct translation to English should be "An introduction to the theory of differentiable manifolds"
I know a bit of Korean
Thanks for clarifying.
Though, I guess the author thought that would be too long.
4:37 AM
is it common for korean textbook publishers to provide english translation of the title like that? i find that mildly odd. or, alternatively, odd that having done that, they don't also provide a romanization of the author's name, which an english reader could at least sometimes use to recognize the book in translation
basically every book on differentiable manifolds is titled something like "lectures on differentiable manifolds"
4:57 AM
@leslietownes I guess not. The author's name is romanized Kim Jinhong, I guess.
"Kim" is the surname.
what an exotic surname for a korean person to have :)
Kim is the most common surname in South Korea, with the proportion of 21%. Though, yeah, it may render exotic to foreigners.
5:15 AM
What's the most common surname in North Korea and why the difference?
That. Idk, honestly. North Korean government hides everything about them.
I see.
Do they even have internet access in the North?
No; their government forbids it.
@DannyuNDos I read the name something else, a certain person from North Korea
Btw, clickbaity titles are so annoying. I saw a link that says "India's 52-year-old wait for an archery medal in the Olympics...". I clicked the link expecting it will continue with"is finally over". But it was "got even longer"
5:43 AM
@leslietownes "Kim" jong un
6:11 AM
"Sung" is a pretty common first name.
 
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9:07 AM
12 hours ago, by psie
> Exercise: Independent repetitions of an experiment are performed. $A$ is an event that occurs with probability $p$, $0<p<1$. Let $T_k$ be the number of the performance at which $A$ occurs the $k$th time, $k=1,2,\ldots$. Compute (a) $E(T_3\mid T_1=5)$ (b) $E(T_1\mid T_3=5)$.
As I said, $T_1$ is simply $\text{Ge}(p)$ and $T_2$ I believe is negative binomial ($\text{NBin}(2,p)$) and $T_3$ is also negative binomial ($\text{NBin}(2,p)$), i.e. the number of trials until $2$ successes with success probability $p$. This exercise appears in a chapter on order statistics, and I notice that $T_1\leq T_2\leq T_3$, yet I am not sure how to obtain the joint pmf of $T_1$ and $T_3$. If I have that, then I think the problem is easily solved.
EDIT: $T_3$ should be $\text{NBin}(3,p)$.
9:52 AM
Not sure if this is well-formed question. Maybe someone can point me to correct literature, I didn't find about it on wiki.
Consider Cayley Graph C of a virtually nilpotent group G. Suppose I take a finite part of C. How to find its diameter?
10:34 AM
Hi!
Why is it that if I have a homeomorphism of a compact Riemann surface with finitely many punctures, which is homotopic to the identity, then the extension of the homeomorphism must fix the punctures?
I tried to solve $y'' + y = \cos^2(x)$ so I first found the solution of the associated homogeneous equation by setting $y'' + y =0$ thus finding $y(x) = c_1 \cos (x) + c_2 \sin(x)$ , now I had the particular solution,
so I had seen that I could write $\cos^2(x) = \frac{1+\cos(2x)}{2} = \frac {1}{2} + \frac{\cos(2x)}{2}$ now I had to set $y'' + y = \frac{1}{2}$ and then try to use $y_p = A$ like this $A = \frac{1}{2}$ then $y'' + y = \frac{\cos(2x)}{2}$ and try using $y_p = B \cos(2x) + C \sin (2x)$ then differentiating up to $y''$. Then I continued until the solution.
My doubt goes back to finding the particular solution
Now I was trying to solve $y'' + y = \tan(x)$ and I don't know why I had to write that cosine in that way before (I admit that I saw it being done that way) now what should I do?
So I was thinking that the tangent should also be written some other way
10:51 AM
it doesn't seem simple to find a particular solution to your second equation
oh, is it just because if the homeomorphism didn’t fix the punctures, and I draw a small loop around a puncture, that loop must move to a loop around another puncture via the Nomoto, but that means it crosses the puncture in finite time , which means one of the maps in the homotopy maps a point of the punctured Riemann surface to a puncture… ?
Via the homotopy, not the nomoto (autocorrect)
@SineoftheTime Maybe I should use a different solution method?
what methods do you know?
Or maybe put another way, the winding number of that loop around each puncture is continuous in the time parameter of the homotopy, which should prohibit the homeomorphism from not fixing the punctures if it is homotopic to the identity
@SineoftheTime My first doubt is how to find the particular solution, meaning why did I previously have to write the cos in that way?
@SineoftheTime I was reading method of variations of constants (Lagrange's)
11:03 AM
@Pizza because you know how to solve $y''+y=\cos (at)$
so you don't have to deal with squares
@SineoftheTime but wouldn't it always be done by writing $y_p(x) = A \cos(2x) + B \sin(2x)$?
if you had $\cos^2$ ?
If for example $\cos(at) = \cos(2x)$
yes?
sorry I'm not understanding the question
yes I don't understand this step of writing cos(2x) in this way
1 min ago, by Pizza
@SineoftheTime but wouldn't it always be done by writing $y_p(x) = A \cos(2x) + B \sin(2x)$?
11:09 AM
using $\cos 2x$ instead of $\cos^2 x$?
yes
if you have $y''+y=\cos 2x$, you know that a particular solution is given by a linear combination of $\sin $ and $\cos$
but if you have $y''+y=\cos^2(x)$, how do you find a particular solution?
I saw that you have to write $\cos^2(x)$ like this
$\cos^2(x) = \frac{1+\cos(2x)}{2} = \frac {1}{2} + \frac{\cos(2x)}{2}$
yes
if you keep $\cos^2 x$, what particular solution do you search for?
@SineoftheTime Can't I do anything if I don't express it in other forms?
11:16 AM
what would you do?
I don't know
you know how to solve $y''+y=\cos (ax)$ and $y''+y=\text{constant}$
Yes if I had $y'' + y = 5$ then $y_p(x) = A$
so use the formula for $\cos^2$ to go back to a case you know how to solve
Ok but so the cosine even if for example it was $\frac{\cos(2x)}{2}$ can I express it as $y_p = A \cos(2x) + B \sin(2x)$?
11:23 AM
you have to find $A$ and $B$
in this case it would be the constant 1/2 (i.e. A) • cos(2x)?
I didn't understand why I can write the cos this way
@SineoftheTime .
I don't understand why this is valid
$\cos^2 x=\frac12+\frac{\cos 2x}2$ ?
$\cos(2x) = A \cos(2x) + B \sin(2x)$
Maybe there's something I'm missing
11:26 AM
because when you want to find a particular solution, when you have $=\sin ax$ or $=\cos bx$ you search $y_p$ as a linear combination of sine and cosine
so $y_p=A \cos(2x)+B \sin(2x)$
so if instead of cos there was sin it would have been the same?
Ah ok, I didn't know that! Thanks for telling me
So now for the tangent instead
Can't I do the same?
no
because when you compute the derivatives of $A\sin x+B\cos x$ you get always sines and cosines
If finitely generated group $G$ has polynomial growth rate $r^d$, then is it true that for arbitrary finite subgraph $\Gamma$ of $Cay(G)$ we have $diam(\Gamma)\leq r^d$?
11:31 AM
@SineoftheTime So I should have something like $\frac{d}{dx}\left(\log(\sec(x)\right))$
it's more complicated
This would be $\tan(x)$
since you have the second derivative and the function
you have to use variation of parameters
Mm
Do you know of any better methods perhaps?
no
if you know the formula for variation of parameters, it's pretty easy
did you study it?
11:38 AM
Maybe that's what I was reading before
Method of variation of constants (Lagrange's)?
yes I guess it's the same
where are you reading from?
Lezioni di analisi matematica due Fusco marcellini sbordone
ok
that should solve the problem
and you can use the formulas to find directly the solution
$y = \phi_1 (x) \cos x + \phi_2 (x) \sin x$
@SineoftheTime Yes, I'll try now to see if I can find the solution, thank you very much!
I will let you know
similar to what you're reading, see this and example $1$ (which is basically what you're trying to solve)
@Pizza 👍
11:48 AM
@SineoftheTime Ok I'll look now
 
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2:51 PM
@SineoftheTime I think I solved it anyway
Could anyone confirm for me that I can solve the integral$\int \frac{1}{\cos(x)} dx$ by setting $\cos(x) = \frac{1-t^2}{1+t^2 }$ and $dx = \frac{2}{1+t^2} dt$ so as to obtain $\int \frac{2}{1-t^2} dt$ , as a solution I obtain $-\ln\left| \frac{t-1}{t+1}\right|$ where $t = \tan \frac{x}{2}$ and therefore I obtain $-\ln\left|\frac{\tan \frac{x} {2}-1}{\tan \frac{x}{2}+1}\right|$
3:13 PM
@Pizza Wrong verb. You don't "solve" integrals (you solve equations and inequalities). You "evaluate" integrals. You also don't "set" $cos(x)$ equal to something. Presumably, you are making a change of variables (i.e. a "substitution"). In any event, the approach you suggest looks fine to me (I am not going to take the time to work through the details).
3:31 PM
@XanderHenderson 👍, thanks for the reply and confirmation, I'll take another look at it later to see that I didn't make any mistakes
4:07 PM
@XanderHenderson Mr. Hendersson, now also an English grammar teacher.
4:20 PM
@Sahaj That isn't English grammar. It is proper mathematical word usage. It is about how English is used in the context of mathematical writing.
It is about the jargon or argot of mathematical English.
4:41 PM
@Pizza $\int \frac1{\cos x}dx=\int \sec x dx=\int \frac{\sec^2 x +\sec x \tan x}{\sec x+\tan x}=\log |\sec x +\tan x|+c$
using $t=\tan (x/2)$ is also fine
So what I did is it still okay?
looks good
5:10 PM
But I'm curious if such group action can be defined also in the case of a principle bundle? @Jakobian — Bastam Tajik 14 mins ago
@Thorgott someone asked me a question, but I don't even know what a principle bundle is. Moreover I forgot what I was talking about in the question of mine.
5:26 PM
Basic question. Suppose $(X,Y)$ has the same distribution as $(Z,W)$. Is then $$E(X\mid Y)=E(Z\mid W)?$$
Seems intuitively clear, but I don't know how to justify it formally.
@psie I don't know why it would sound intuitively clear
left side is a function of $Y$, right side is a function of $W$
@Jakobian ok maybe not super clear, but if you think of e.g. $E(X\mid Y=y)$, then this is simply the integral or sum over $y$ times the conditional density or pmf, which would be the same in both cases, or?
assuming $Y = y$ is a event of positive probability
then $E(X|Y=y) = \frac{E[X\cdot 1_{Y = y}]}{P(Y = y)}$
and then you can use that since $X\cdot 1_{\{y\}}(Y)$ has the same distribution as $Z\cdot 1_{\{y\}}(W)$ and $Y$ has the same distribution as $W$, $P(X|Y = y) = P(Z| W = y)$
ok, the background to my question came from proving $$E(X_1\mid X_1+\ldots+X_n=x)=\frac{x}{n},$$when $X_1,\ldots,X_n$ are all iid.
Note that $E[X_i| X_1+...+X_n] = E[X_j|X_1+...+X_n]$
5:36 PM
@Jakobian indeed, and this is what led me to $E(X\mid Y)=E(Z\mid W)$ if $(X,Y),(Z,W)$ are equally distributed
which is not true
@Jakobian then I am curious, how would you prove this?
the proof I am looking at is this one.
from definition we could say that $E[E[X_i|X_1+...+X_n]\cdot 1_H] = E[X_i\cdot 1_H] = E[X_j\cdot 1_H]$ for any $H\in\sigma(X_1+...+X_n)$ and $E[X_i|X_1+...+X_n]$ is $\sigma(X_1+...+X_n)$-measurable
since it satisfies the definition of what it means to be $E[X_j|X_1+...+X_n]$ we see that the two are equal in the sense that one can be chosen to represent the other or vice versa
ok 👍
to be clear when I write $1_H$ I mean $\omega\mapsto 1_H(\omega)$
5:44 PM
@Jakobian maybe you're interested in this
@Jakobian nice argument :) thanks!
@SineoftheTime I'm not really interested in analysis
Well it's been a long while since I had my nose in PDE or Calculus of Variations but at a first look, it looks correct to me but take this with a grain of salt. It's really sad that this question has received four upvotes but zero helpful comments. The site is becomming exactly like I feared. Less and less people are interacting on graduate or higher level topics and most of the attention is focussed on middle school, high school or basic college level mathematics. Sorry that I could not be of more help but it should follow from Riesz Representation theorem and the fundamental lemma as you did — Mr.Gandalf Sauron 1 hour ago
this comment seems pretty interesting though
not because I agree with it
more interested in topology now?
6:16 PM
@SineoftheTime I've always been more interested in topology
6:35 PM
:)
6:58 PM
is there anyone free in chat?
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom No. I cost $160/hr.
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@XanderHenderson that's a lot in comparison to prices here
is there anyone free in chat? (Without paying anything)
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom Just ask; don't ask to ask. Rarely if ever expressible as a ratio of integers.
7:01 PM
@XanderHenderson That’s a certified Dad joke.
@Jakobian It is a number which is designed to get people to say "Oh, nevermind". Essentially, "never say no without a number."
I need help with this: $\int \sin(x) \cdot (e^x \sin(x) + x) dx$
Honestly, I should probably make that number higher. Attorneys, who spend less time in school than I have, typically charge more than \$300 per hour. And that is at the low end.
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom looks like integration by parts
Should I multiply or should I leave it like this?
And then use the method by parts
7:04 PM
I'd use integration by parts on the $x\cdot \sin^2(x)$ part
and for everything else just use that $\sin(x) = \frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}$ and use that $\int e^{ax}dx = \frac{1}{a}e^{ax}+C, a\neq 0$
where does the $I$ in $T - I\lambda$ come from (context is condition of scalar to be an eigenvalue for a linear operator $T$ i.e., $Tv = \lambda v$ for some $T \in \mathcal{L}(V,V), v \in V, \lambda \in \textbf{F}$)
@Jakobian Could you by any chance write me the full integral as it should appear?
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom I don't want to
@Jakobian In the sense, not all steps, but how you would write the starting integral
@Jakobian I don't understand what you are referring to here
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom I don't want to. Why can't you do it instead
7:09 PM
@Jakobian I've always saw that and didn't think about what it means.
What does rarely if ever expressible as a ratio of integers mean?
@Obliv no idea
@Obliv $I$ is the identity operator
Why is it there?
in the context of eigenvalues, for $x$ to be in the kernel of $T-I\lambda$ means the same as to satisfy the equality $Tx = \lambda x$
@Jakobian I don't understand where $\sin^2(x) \cdot x$ comes from
@Jakobian ah okay
thanks
7:11 PM
@Obliv because its the easiest way to represent the operator that takes $x$ and outputs $\lambda x$
use $\sin^2 x=\frac{1-\cos(2x)}2$ and integrate by parts
there really is no real reason that $I$ is there, other than we can translate it more easily than if we put anything else there
@Jakobian Couldn't we just say $T - V\lambda$ or is this $I$ meant to be the identity operator on the field
so $T - F\lambda$ or whatever field it is
@Obliv NO
GOD NO
@SineoftheTime But I have sin(x) not sin^2(x)
7:13 PM
$e^x \sin^2 x$
@Obliv what does $V\lambda$ mean?
if you were to write it would you know what it means? Would others know what it means?
$v\lambda$ $\forall v \in V$
@SineoftheTime Shouldn't it be +x?
@Obliv ?
that's not an answer to my question
bro what is the integrand function?
7:15 PM
$\int \sin(x) \cdot (e^x \sin(x) + x) dx$
do you know how to integrate $x\sin x$?
by parts
So yes
@Jakobian I thought you could multiply a structure by an element like in the condition for normal subgroups $Na = aN, \forall a \in G$
to integrate the other term use the formula I wrote before
@Obliv yes, and what's your point?
does that mean $\lambda V$ becomes an operator?
7:18 PM
so $V\lambda$ would represent the new space of members $v\lambda$ for all $v \in V$
$\int e^x \cdot \frac{1-cos(2x)}{2}$ dx
$\lambda V = V$ for $\lambda \neq 0$
its just some set
well it depends on $V$ and $\lambda$ I guess
I assume you know how to integrate $e^{ax}\cos(bx)$
@Obliv what is it
7:19 PM
It looks easy
@SineoftheTime yes
so you're done
@Jakobian Okay, I understand the issue. You need it to be operator * element/space
not space/element*space/element
okay let's do it like this. I won't explain whatever you wrote wrong. Instead I will tell you my point because I was interrupted
the language isn't defined in that way
You could have defined an operator $T_\lambda(x) = \lambda x$. But then $T_\lambda = \lambda I$, so why not just write $\lambda I$? So people don't write $T-T_\lambda$, they write $T-\lambda I$. And that's why $I$ is there
and all the further questions I dismiss
7:22 PM
@SineoftheTime If instead of the sin(x) (the starting one) there was the cos(x), by chance I have to do it from scratch or I can solve the one with the sin(x) and then modify the result for that of the cos( x)?
$\int \cos x(e^x\sin x+x )dx$?
I don't see how you can use the integral with $\sin $
maybe integration by parts
find the general formulas for $\int e^{ax} \sin bx $ and $\int e^{ax}\cos bx$ and then plug in $a$ and $b$ instead of redoing the same integrals everytime
@jakobian The meaning of $T - \lambda I$ being not injective means for any two vectors $x,y \in V$, $(T-\lambda I)x = (T-\lambda I)y \implies x = y$ right
So $Tx - \lambda x = Ty - \lambda y \implies x = y$
7:38 PM
@Obliv a map $F$ is injective when for any $x, y$ in the domain of $F$, $Fx = Fy \implies x = y$
okay so $T - \lambda I$ is defined as a difference of maps $T(x)$ and $\lambda I(x)$ on $V$
I'm sorry but $T(x)$ is not a map, $T$ is a map
oh, how come we drop the function notation when working with operators?
@SineoftheTime thanks so much
@Jakobian Thanks, I'll look better at what you wrote to me
@Obliv you shouldn't use function notation $f(x)$ for a map $f$ at all in math
except when doing something where it's not ambiguous
7:43 PM
i think you're missing a "not" there
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom what subject are you studying?
i think this question about what it means for a linear map to be injective could be improved by adding in even more notation. what if T is a sum of linear maps S_1, T_3, and H_alpha
obliv injectivity of a linear map is often most easy to think about/check in terms of the kernel or nullspace (different words for same thing) being zero or not. because when a map S is linear and x and y are vectors, Sx = Sy is equivalent to S(x-y) = 0, while x = y is equivalent to x-y being zero
in case you want to reduce the number of symbols under consideration even further
e.g. linear map S "not" being injective (what you seemed to be initially asking about, although you then quoted a definition of injectivity) is equivalent to the existence of one nonzero vector v with Sv = 0
and T - lambda I "not" being injective is the equivalent of there being a nonzero v with (T - lambda I) v = 0, or equivalently, with Tv being lambda v
@SineoftheTime Math?
the mathematical math?
7:49 PM
@BinkyMcSquigglebottom -_-
Calculus
I look for topics on the internet and do it myself
@leslietownes oh I see
so u check if, for a given vector in the space, the vector belongs to the nullspace/kernel of the operator in question ($T - \lambda I$ in general?)
sorry, to do what? what am i trying to check?
you can prove that an operator S isn't injective by finding exactly one nonzero vector v and showing that Sv is 0. so in principle you can do it by calculating Sv for a single vector v. but finding such a vector v is often some work
oh sorry, this was from a section in axler about equivalent conditions about being an eigenvalue
particularly if you don't know in advance (e.g. because you haven't been told) that S isn't injective in the first place
8:03 PM
8:21 PM
@SineoftheTime I found the exercise I did today here
But I have a doubt from the site you sent, It says
Shouldn't there be the term $y_1$ before the integral here?
$-\cos(x) \int \tan(x) \sin(x) dx$?
@Pizza this is the formula for the particular solution
@Pizza this is the formula for $v_1$
in fact then he multiplies $v_1$ by $b_1=\cos x$
$y_p=v_1b_1+v_2b_2$
@SineoftheTime Can I directly use the formula in the blue image?
mm ok, just one last doubt
but if the integral is not straightforward, it's better to compute first $v_1$ and $v_2$ (or $u_1$ and $u_2$)
8:31 PM
And in fact I'm noticing that there are cases in which it is better to use other methods than others
It depends on the integrals that come out
$y_c(t) = c_1 \cos(t) + c_2 \sin(t)$
in this case $y_1 = \cos(t) , y_2 = \sin(t)$, I'm pretty sure of it
So I can do both the blue image way and this way of finding v1 , v2
it's the same method
and the same formulas
is it clear why?
and therefore in the other case I do not calculate v1 and v2 first
I have to read that site better because I saw that I can also use derivatives
@Pizza yes, in both cases you compute $v_1$ and $v_2$
that's what you're searching for
Ah okok
8:46 PM
I found $Y_p = -\cos(x) \cdot \left(-\ln\left|\frac{\tan \frac{x} {2}-1}{\tan \frac{x}{2}+1}\right|-\sin(x)\right) +\sin(x) \cdot -\cos(x)$
I had this doubt because the site's solution seems different to me
it's probably due to the fact that the antiderivative differ by a constant
Maybe I need to write the $\ln$ another way
I should find this solution here, right?
theoretically i have $\cos(x) \sin(x) \cos(x) \ln\left|\frac{\tan \frac{x} {2}-1}{\tan \frac{x}{2}+1}\right| -\sin(x)\cos(x)$
@Pizza not necessarely
as I said, you found a different antiderivative when computing an integral
wait a minute let me see if there's a direct way
let me grab a pencil
@SineoftheTime Meaning I made a mistake in an integral?
I'll try to check
no, antiderivatives differ by a constant
9:00 PM
So my solution could also be valid?
yep
if the antiderivative is correct
perhaps when I evaluated that integral where ln(etc..) comes out
sure
since the link you sent me uses a different method
Writing like this I get this result
yes, and?
actully, you can prove that $\log\left(\left|\frac{\tan(x/2)+1}{\tan(x/2)-1}\right|\right)=\frac12(\log|\sin x+1|-\log|\sin x-1|)$
this should solve your problem
9:19 PM
@SineoftheTime Now I'll try to compact the result
it's the same
see the last line of the link you sent me
@Pizza it's equal to this
since $\sin x \cos x$ simplify
Yes!
Thanks for your help
What are you studying?
nothing now
taking a couple of days of rest
9:25 PM
But are you still studying differential geometry?
no I gave the exam
Do you have the written and oral part?
generally yes
almost every exam has both parts
except electives
what about you?
but more or less how long did it take you to take that exam? It's not an easy subject I suppose
to study it?
about a month
9:29 PM
ah ok, but were you also preparing other subjects or just this one in the month you studied
@SineoftheTime I should do analysis 2... That is, these things I'm doing now
@Pizza I was preparing another subject but it was easy
then there are also other topics that I still have to do well
can you finish all your exams before next year?
I mean exams of the first year
For me it starts again in September
Second year
yeah I mean before september
9:32 PM
@SineoftheTime mm it depends because if I have to study them well maybe not
which exams did you not take?
Analysis 2, geometry (?)
Yes but geometry I also did something here with you in the chat I remember
The problems are more on the oral part for geometry
Because there are 500 slides
because of the proofs and theorems I guess
teaching maths with slides sucks
Yes
But by any chance did you have to take any computer exams?
like programming?
9:40 PM
Yes
unfortunately yes :(
Java?
@SineoftheTime Oh ok
and a bit of C
9:44 PM
What was the most difficult exam?
It seems funny but I struggle with programming
but maybe overall the most difficult exam is analysis 3
or topology
How long did it take you for analysis 3?
A lot
because I knew it was a difficult course and I studied from the first day of lessons
I imagine the difficulty in mathematics is much higher than in other faculties
In my opinion, yes
9:50 PM
I think it depends on the credits
well it depends, but usually if it an exam has more credits it's difficult
also because it's important
Yes, like me, analysis 2 is 6 credits, I think it's more for you
Anyway I'm going 👋, bye :)
10:51 PM
I found a new formula for the Riemann zeta function, $\zeta(s)$:

$$ \zeta(s)=2\sum_{n\in \Bbb N} \int_{J=(0,n^{-s/2})} e^{\frac{\log^2({n^{s/2}})}{\log t}}~dt - s\sum_{n\in \Bbb N} \log n ~K_1\big( s\log n \big) $$
new but probably trivial

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