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it wont let me edit. But I think I got it...
00:46
@Jakobian I have to ask, though I'm not expecting a reply, why does the author state that the map $E\mapsto E_1$ commutes with unions, intersections and complements and hence $\sigma(E)=n\cdot m(E_1)$ is a Borel measure on $S^{n-1}$? Does it not suffice to simply say that it commutes with unions? What's the relevance of including intersections and complements?
00:56
since the map $E\mapsto E_1$ commutes with unions, we have for a pairwise disjoint sequence of sets $\{U_j\}$ that $$\sigma\left(\bigcup_1^\infty U_j\right)=n\cdot m\left(\bigcup_1^\infty (U_j)_1\right).$$Now, since $(U_j)_1=\Phi^{-1}((0,1]\times U_j)$ and preimages preserve disjoint sets, the countable additivity follows from $m$.
It is 2:00 in the morning and I am finally done with these papers
Last time I actively involve myself in three STOC submissions
oof
It's 2:00 in the morning and I've realized that I've forgotten to upload corrections
02:05
Let $(A_n)_n$ be a sequence of subsets of a set $X$. Consider these two results: $\liminf_{n\to +\infty} A_n = \{x \in X \ | \ x \in A_n \ \text{for all but finitely many} \ n \in \mathbb{N}\}$ and $\limsup_{n\to +\infty} A_n = \{x \in X \ | \ x \in A_n \ \text{for infinitely many} n \in \mathbb{N}\}$. I was able to prove the equality for liminf, and I was thinking if I can obtain the second by taking the complements. My work is the following:

$\limsup_{n\to +\infty} A_n = ((\limsup_{n\to +\infty} A_n)^c)^c=((\bigcap_{n\in\mathbb{N}} \bigcup_{k \ge n} A_k)^c)^c=(\bigcup_{n\in\mathbb{N}}\bi
I am unsure about the equality $\{x \in X \ | \ x \in A_n^c \ \text{for all but finitely many} \ n \in \mathbb{N}\})^c=\{x \in X \ | \ x \in A_n \ \text{for finitely many} \ n \in \mathbb{N}\})^c$. Is the logic correct?
02:37
sigh Work half an hour on a complicated niche question. First downvote without comment within 10 views.
How are you, chat?
03:05
hmmm in the computation of the homology of lens spaces
I really don't see why the degree of the differential is what it is
Feels really nonrigorous to me
03:19
hm, what are lens spaces? :)
04:04
Topological spaces with interesting homology
 
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05:23
Hello All
Btw I learnt kernal or the numl space in linear algebra and now I am finding a similar term when my prof taught the Laplace transform
Are the 2 kernals related?!!
05:41
not particularly. someone may hop all over this remark with some strained analogy, but the "kernel" in the sense it is used for integral transforms like the laplace transform has little relationship with the "kernel" in the linear algebra sense. at the very least, the "linear algebra kernel" of a linear map that is defined by an integral transform having a "kernel" in the integral transform sense is a different object. it's not the same "kernel" in both cases
the "integral operator kernel" is certainly something that goes into the definition of a linear map, and hence affects what the "linear algebra kernel" of that map will be. but i don't think there's an analogy at the level you would be hoping for.
06:01
Oh Thanks @leslietownes :-)
in the sense of meanings of words, i don't actually understand the use of the term 'kernel' for the nullspace of a linear map. i do understand it in the integral transform sense, in the same way that a kernel of corn can give rise to a whole plant of corn, the kernel of an integral operator gives rise to an integral operator determined by the kernel.
the genetic material in a seed determines a plant in a way that a linear map is not determined by its linear algebra kernel. so i don't know why the linear algebra kernel is a "kernel."
but, like so many sheeple before me, i have simply accepted this fact and moved on with my life.
Yeah, but then I am planning to do a minor in Mathematics ( I am majoring currently in Chemical Engineering ) Can you suggest some books to learn those Transforms to solve differential equations?
Also the Topology spaces
well, a lot of standard, 'methods' oriented (as opposed to theory oriented) books would do that. you do not need to interrogate the nature of a general integral transform to learn various properties of any given integral transform.
books will tabulate all sorts of formulas specific to the laplace transform. these are unique things, in some sense. there won't be a similarly well developed set of formulas for any integral transform you can think of
 
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07:25
@BenSteffan I posted the question, math.stackexchange.com/questions/4994330/…
Probably it would get closed but no harm in trying.
Also Who can turn this question int community wiki?
07:58
@pie Only diamond mods can do that. From meta.stackexchange.com/q/11740/334566
> If you believe your question or someone else's question or answer should be converted to a community wiki, you may flag it for moderator attention.
On Physics.SE, resource recommendation questions are normally made community wiki. We have a few fairly extensive ones on Physics.SE, but nothing with the huge scope of your question.
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@PM2Ring Thanks for this information but how to flag a mod?
Also since we are at it can you send me some of the resource recommendation questions on Physics.SE.
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but IMHO its scope is way too broad. It may be better to split it up a bit. Maybe have a very general broad overview that acts as an index, and then have several separate questions for different fields.
pie
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The problem is that I have no idea about anything on Physics so I don't know what to ask or what to search for etc in other words I am too ignorant to even start studying physics
pie
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Thanks.
08:11
@pie There's a flag button at the bottom of your question. That brings up the flag dialog. Select "In need of moderator intervention", which lets you write a comment explaining the reason for the flag.
But at this stage, I recommend you wait a bit, and discuss it in chat before flagging.
It's probably not the right time of day for most of the mods, though.
pie
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@PM2Ring Ahaaa, I forget about that, it is 10 am here, so I will wait till it be 10 pm here
There's another chat room that's specifically for discussing stuff with mods, chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/20352/math-mods-office
@Derivative the degree of which differential is what
 
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10:15
Does Kahler blowup also satisfy kind of a universal property? I guess it seems negative
 
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11:59
@SK19 it does not look niche or complicated. Rather, its your presentation that earned you a downvote
@ZaWarudo everything is correct
@leslietownes surprised you understood that
Hey, guys. What about this question? math.stackexchange.com/questions/4994416/…
12:18
I saw the Exorcist
it has some scary scenes where the possessed is crawling upside down
@RyderRude Read the book. I read it as a teenager, 300 pages in a single afternoon.
@RyderRude Did the exorcist see you?
But the characters are too stupid. she is able to apply forces at a distance/make things levitate and they still wonder if she is really possessed
@RyderRude Also Psycho, one of the best books I ever read (in general, not only in the horror genre).
@SoumikMukherjee i dont think so...:P
@Derso i will check it out
@Derso it is on my watch list but it was spoiled to me. i will not watch it until i forget the spoiler. im going to see The Omen next
12:23
@RyderRude I think the book is better anyway, because it's much more immersive.
You really feel how it is to be in the mind of a psycho.
so it is from the psycho's perspective
i will check it out
@Derso what are ur favorite horror movies
Emm, not exactly. I think the narrator is omnscient (?)
creepy
But he reveals things little by little
12:26
@RyderRude Funny thing is: I don't really watch much of them lol
But The Exorcist and Psycho are really good books, in general imo
oh
u will love The Thing
i liked these recently : The Thing, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The evil dead and Nightmare on Elm Street
Re-animator is good too, but it is disturbing
Like electronic music, I usually hate it. But I can't deny Daft Punk is dope
i like classical music
ive been listening to Beethoven recently
@Derso have you seen The Thing
it explores a situation similar to COVID, but it's really deadly. it's about trying to prevent the outbreak
@RyderRude I haven't seen The Thing
But if covid was already enough to cause such a chaos, just imagine the mayhem of a more lethal virus
in The Thing, the virus is an alien. and it can imitate the host's behavior for long
so it explores the problems with having to trust your crew
highly recommended
12:35
Interesting
12:49
@Jakobian Thanks for checking!
 
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15:26
@Thorgott Suppose that $X$ is not locally compact, Tychonoff space. Any idea how to embedd $X$ densely into a non-normal space?
15:56
the Alexandroff extension works, no?
it's $T_1$ because points are compact, but a $T_1$ normal space is a Hausdorff space, but the Alexandroff extension is not Hausdorff if $X$ is not locally compact
no because I'm in the realm of Tychonoff spaces
I think I definitely need some space $Z$ such that $X$ is neither open in $Z$, nor $Z\setminus X$ is contained in a compact set of $Z$
what's wrong with what I said?
that Alexandroff extension is not Tychonoff
lets take $\mathbb{Q}$ for example, how would one embedd into a (Tychonoff) non-normal space
I know one can use that it decomposes into countably many disjoint clopen sets, but lets forget that for now
just in terms of lack of local compactness
16:18
ah, you hadn't specified the embedding should be into a Tychonoff-space
16:33
the talk went alright :>
I left some 20% of my material on the floor at the end but it didn't end up mattering
eww
why would you say something like that
c'est la guerre
sorry for the crude joke, please make allowances for americans on this most stressful of days
carry on :)
16:38
we are watching you with great interest :)))
there's a "watch the US election" party happening in my dorm tonight
@copper.hat that joke just above was in your honor
@BenSteffan US election party + homotopy theory sounds like a tough combo
Ben is probably trying to suspend the election
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terrifying day
@BenSteffan glad to hear!
16:45
ty
@BenSteffan I'm sorry, may I ask you if you're currently doing a phd?
You may :)
...but I'm not: I'm in the first year of my masters' currently
that would be a phd in this country
:)
oh ok I was under the impression that you were already proficient in your field (which I don't know, that's why I can't really judge to begin with hahaha) so I thought you were doing research already
I wish I was haha
16:49
lol
17:22
While studying about PDEs I found that we can calculate the general solution of a PDE from it's complete solution.

The method goes like this:

If say, a PDE $F(x,y,z,p,q)=0$ where $p=z_x,q=z_y$ is given, and $f(x,y,z,a,b)=0$ is a complete solution of $F,$ then assume $b$ to be an unknown function of $a$ say, $b=\phi(a).$

So, the complete solution $f$ becomes, $f(x,y,z,a,\phi(a))=0\tag 1$

Now, differentiating the above equation wrt $a$ we get, $f_a(x,y,z,a,\phi(a))+f_b(x,y,z,a,\phi(a))\phi'(a)=0\tag 2$
Can someone please help me with this?
I've generalized the real line
17:39
I have a doubt regarding $$f : \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}, f = x^TAx+b^Tx+c,A \mathbf{b} \in \mathbb{R}^n,c \in \mathbb{R} $$. Moreover, $f \in C^2(\mathbb{R}^n)$. Therefore I know that, in order for f to be convex, the Hessian of f must be must be positive semi-definite $\forall x \in R^n$. Due to $Hf(x) = 2A$ , I know that A must be a positive semidef matrix.
now, how do I show that for f to be strictly convex, $A$ must be positive definite? I feel like it could just be a consequence of the previous result, but then the exercise wouldn't ask to prove it :p
$A \in R^{n \times n}$
sorry I forgot to add that :)
17:54
You also need to assume $A$ is symmetric, otherwise hessian is $A + A^\top$
If $A$ is not positive definite, it has a zero eigenvalue, that is, a nontrivial kernel
$f$ restricted to the kernel of $A$ will be an affine linear function, which is not strictly convex
oh yeah, that's stated in the exercise and I forgot to add that as well
@VladimirLysikov wait, in other words, if I consider $v \in R^n, v \ne 0 , v : Av = 0v$
@copper.hat If you have some experience with PDEs can you please help me with my question above?
18:16
@leslietownes suitably crude :-)
@ThomasFinley Sorry, not a pde guy, wish I was
@VladimirLysikov If I wanted to show it without writing that affine linear functions are not strictly convex, I can just use your hint and say, for instance: let $u,v \in Ker(A)$ and since $\hat{f} :=f\rvert_{Ker(A)} = b^Tx+c$, then we have $$ \hat{f}(\lambda u +(1-\lambda) v)=\lambda b^Tu+(1-\lambda)b^Tv+c +\lambda c-\lambda c = \lambda f(u)+(1-\lambda)f(v)$$ which is not strictly convex
Yes
It depends on how exactly the definition of strict convexity is formulated in your course, but that is the idea
@VladimirLysikov First of all thanks for the hint, restricting to the kernel of A is a great idea :p I'm checking the solution to see If I'm on the right path, but yeah my definition for strict convexity is $f(tx+(1-t)y)<tf(x)+(1-t)f(y), \forall x,y \text{ and } \forall t \in (0,1)$ so it should be ok
Unfortunately, the solution uses the other definition, which involves showing that the function is always above the tangent plane (it uses Taylor expansion with Lagrange remainder)
But I'm sure your solution is perfectly valid and more elegant in my opinion @VladimirLysikov, I'll ask the professor tomorrow just in case.
18:32
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Q: Theorem 2.49 in Folland; is it a pushforward measure?

psieThis is a follow-up question to this question. Consider Theorem 2.49 in Folland's real analysis text: We denote $S^{n-1}$ the unit sphere $\{x\in\mathbb{R}^n:|x|=1\}$. If $x\in\mathbb{R}^n\setminus\{0\}$, the polar coordinates of $x$ are $$r=|x| \in (0,\infty),\quad x'=x/|x| \in S^{n-1}$$ The ma...

I have a hard time letting this thought go...
18:44
Choose three marked curves on the flat torus in $\Bbb R^4.$ Define an immersion $f:T^2 \to \Bbb R^3$ that maps these marked curves into a topological octahedral graph (where the intersections of the marked curves form the vertices of the graph).
19:14
Watching real madrid and their opponent at 3
 
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Hi everyone, I have a question about expansion when considering terms of different scale
If we have $|\vec x - \vec R_{\vec n}|$ where $\vec x$ is some arbitrary vector far away from the origin and $\vec R_{\vec n}$ is just a fixed vector from the origin. If we consider that $\frec{|\vec R_{\vec n}|}{x}<<1$. How does one expand $|\vec x - \vec R_{\vec n}|$ ?
I have never expanded such a thing, which contains vectors
21:02
@imbAF what do you mean by expand?
Expand in$\frac{1}{x}$ thereby always keeping only the lowest order in $\frac{1}{x}$
I have see somewhere
that $|\vec x - \vec R_{\vec n}|\approx x - \hat{\vec x_0}\vec R$
As a way of expanding
But I dont' understand it
Because I don't know how to expand a vector distance, when it contains vectors within the absolute value
21:17
Are there any additional criteria for this elementary treatment of representing functions by orthogonal functions
such as $f$ being continuous, the interval being compact, etc
I feel like I've asked this before and leslie gave me an answer, but I didn't understand fully or my memory sucks
it is not a good idea to ask for necessary and sufficient conditions in analysis. that is an algebra thing.
on [a,b], i would hesitate to make sense of that kind of "expansion" outside of L^2[a,b], but L^2[a,b] is a set of functions that includes all continuous functions on [a,b].
one issue which isn't maybe clear in that image is that the use of the L^2 norm is implicit in whatever the dot dot dot is, or "formally expand." or something like that.
i would argue that you are implicitly incorporating the L^2 norm into whatever you are doing, if you are announcing some stuff like that.
there's no such thing as an infinite sum without a notion of convergence, which usually means a notion of topology, which can be supplied by a norm (such as the L^2 norm). so "dot dot dot" means choices if you are talking infinite sums.
yeah that's how they defined the norm so I guess this theory applies to L^2 spaces like you said
so yeah, one difference between a "finite" closed interval [a,b] and the whole real line R is that the set of continuous functions on [a,b] is a dense subset of L^2[a,b]. while the set of continuous functions on R is not a subset (let alone a dense subset) of L^2(R)
Has anyone developed the concept of a graph with smooth edges?
by smooth I mean $C^{\infty}$
I think someone has and this is known as a graph embedded on a sphere for example
21:34
How come in determining the coefficients, it seems like we replace the cos+sin in the sum by 1?
I get that they're orthogonal to 1, so is that a choice?
well that's the whole thing. what is "they're" in "they're orthogonal to 1,"? it's not a choice, those functions are orthogonal to 1, which means that whole sum involving any a_n's for n >= 1 goes away.
wait yeah just realized
implicitly multiplying by 1 in the integral
there's really no choice there. the fact that happens is a statement about a sequence of definite integrals being zero.
i think the general ideas are much easier to appreciate with complex exponentials.
that aint how joseph fourier did it.
but that is how my professor does it in the lecture notes
and actually maybe he did use that, idk when exponential notation became a thing
21:40
its because of a real fixation
real analysis can be pretty complex
'i' agree
this is for a physics class actually, had to relearn fourier series & transforms
wow you guys are just out of control
its just a phase we're going through
the function $\sqrt{1-x}$ where $<0x<1$ why , when we tailor expand we take the root as 1?
Is it because we have a square root?
21:46
imbaf: what does \sqrt{} mean to you? with the context being maybe only that {} is a real number?
you have your choice about where you taylor expand it but this question will come up no matter where you do
@Thorgott I had almost forgotten about it but math.stackexchange.com/a/4994673/681666
can no longer vote at memorial hall in albany, what is the world coming to?
I have a question I'm about to ask
@BenSteffan nice!
turns out it's elementary after all
yeah
I feel slightly embarrassed for not getting it now
21:51
@leslietownes square root
do you mean why the first term of the expansion is $1$?
No I mean, when you expand a function of x
you expand it around a point
you need a better Taylor
The choice for this point
should, in theory be arbitrary
yes, but you can consider the expansion around 0 and then shift
21:55
Ok look at this instance
are you asking why there is a 1 in the $\sqrt{1-x}$???
I like to be as general as I possibly can
because, then you can trickle down to any specific scenario
better solve an easy problem and make it harder
21:57
One second
cardinal ordinal
So, I study physics, but they idea is that I am considering the following function $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2R}{x}}$ (where R<<<x). So the fraction inside the root is 0<fraction<1
Now, If I were to taylor expand the expression given, I would taylor expand around this point x, which is non-zero
But, you can argue that one can write the expression as
you need to expand about a specific point.
$\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ where $0<\epsilon<1$
And then, you can expand $\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ around zero
and the result can be used for $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2R}{x}}$
you can. what is your question?
21:59
The problem is that for the actual function you must expand around a non zero point
For
$\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ you do it at 0
@BenSteffan same, but that's par for the course
So I want to know if you consider $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2R}{x}}$, can you get the same result ?
i do not follow what you are asking. are you (somehow) trying to expand $f$ about $x=0$?"??
No
22:01
then i do not understand what you are asking.
I will explain give me a minute
$f(x)=\sqrt{1-\frac{2R}x}\sim 1 -\frac Rx$ when $\frac{2R}x$ is small ( for example as $x\to \infty$)
yes, because with $g(x) = \sqrt{1-x}$ we have $g'(0) = -{1 \over 2}$.
and $g(0) = 1$, ofc
yeah, more generally $(1+x)^a \sim 1+ax$ as $x\to 0$
22:06
@imbAF did that address your question?
If you consider $\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ and expand around 0 (for some reason), you get an expansion of the form $\sqrt{1-\epsilon}=1 -\frac{\epsilon}{2}\pm..$.
Now if you consider $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2xR}{x^2}}$ where $R<<x$,you can say that this expression is similar to $\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ and this we can expand $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2Rx}{x^2}}=1 - \frac{xR}{x^2}$ in similar fashion , where $\epsilon$ is $\frac{2Rx}{x^2}$ in this case. I want the same result, but directly by working with $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2Rx}{x^2}}$ and expanding around some point $x'$
i presume the $x \over x^2$ is a typo.
No No, On purpose I wrote it like that
you would compute $f(x'), f'(x')$.
Bear with me, since this is a physics exercise
@copper.hat yes
22:08
then $f(x) \approx f(x') + f'(x')(x-x')$.
Let $t=1/x$, $g(t)=\sqrt{1-2Rt}$ and expand around $t=0$
@copper.hat And I would get the same expression ?
Maybe you're asking about expansion at infinity?
@SineoftheTime more like to do with notation. I want to be rigorous with it
you will get the same expression if you use the composition rule.
22:10
@copper.hat this?
if $g(x) = \sqrt{1-x}$ and $h(x) = {2R \over x}$, then $f= g \circ h$.
it depends on what you are trying to achieve.
I don't remember how derivation of composition works
you can expand $f$ around $x'$ or you can expand $g$ around $0$ and stuff $h(x)$ as the value in. You will, in general, get different expressions.
if you want the same expression, you need to use $h(x) \approx h(x')+h'(x')(x-x')$ as well.
ffs
I will try. It looks a bit annoying in the sense that I have to be careful with notations etc
A bit hard
of course, if you want precise results you need to be precise.
22:15
But, I believe you kind of get the idea as to what I was trying to do
@imbAF this could be helpful maybe
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it took me 5 attempts to get the $h(x)$ correct above.
almost ran out of time
lol
I saw the text being green all the time xD
there is a very short edit window here and my typing skills are non existent
22:19
In my case $f= g(h(x))$, right?
the point is you can approximate in various ways, expand using $g$ and substitute ${2 R \over x}$, or expand $f$ about $x'$. But if you want these expressions to match in some way, you need to expand the $h$ as well.
So I would do $f'=g'(h(x))h'(x)$
correct, if you want they final expressions to match to first order
but you may not need that, depending on what you are trying to do.
Yeah I want that my main expression has the final expression and not to reach to that by the help of considering some other function with is what I did
that was sort of what i meant earlier. doing things too generally can often obscure stuff or make it too difficutlt.
22:21
Just train a proper application of the taylor expand of the function I have
again, it depends on what you are trying to achieve.
you need tools & techniques not patterns
What I want to achieve is to show that by rigorous use of taylor expansion
I'm about to finish the 4th exercise sheet and my professor just dropped the fifth now. insert sound of tears being shed
i need to go vote. not that voting in California matters from an incremental perspective
I can reach to that expression, without
"help" from another functions behavior
since I cannot
22:23
@Claudio which course is it? Analysis 2?
yeah
we're doing vector fields and differential 1-forms
say the corresponding point of expansion for my initial function, from the expansion point of my helping function $\sqrt(1+\epsilon)$ @copper.hat
Yeah I know, pretty convoluted
@SineoftheTime yeah 3th sheet was 10 exercises, 4th was 14 hahaha
22:24
where did you see multivariable calculus?
In this course or in a previous one? I know in some uni in analysis 1 they already study functions of 2 variables and so on
@SineoftheTime this one
there wouldn't be nearly enough time to squeeze part of this course into the first one hahaha
it depends on the credits
yeah I meant from a strictly practical standpoint I guess
22:28
@imbAF Suppose $F$ is the linear approximation of $f$ based at $x'$, $G$ is the linear approximation of $g$ at $0$ and $H$ the linear approximation of $h$ at $x'$. Then $F = G \circ H$. But you can (depending on circumstances) just use $G\circ h$, since this is slightly more accurate. But $G \circ H$ and $G \circ h$ will, in general, be different.
I see
i am sure i have mistakes there, but i am trying to convey the idea
I understand
By the way
just to clarify my convoluted statement
the suspense is killing me
I simply performed Tailor expansion of $f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2xR}{x^2}}$ and I got:
$f(x)=\sqrt{1 - \frac{2x'R}{x'^2}}+\frac{R}{x^2 \sqrt{1 - \frac{2x'R}{x'^2}}}(x-x')$. If you compare it to the result I got for the same function but with the help of how $\sqrt{1-\epsilon}$ behaves you will see that these are different, $f(x)=1 - \frac{xR}{x^2}$
22:33
just to clarify my butter:
ghee
So in the end, my goal is to be clean and precise
You should have an $x'$ in the first expression after $=$ on the second line
@BenSteffan bruh moment
@copper.hat I see and I can;t change it
I'm tired and exhausted and tipsy, what can I say
22:35
@imbAF you need to read what I am saying. If you expand $h(x) = {2 R \over x}$ what will you get?
Let $\Gamma$ be a finite connected undirected $4$-regular graph embedded on $S^2$. Enrich $\Gamma$ with the Ihara zeta function, $Z_{\Gamma}(u)$. Is there a direct relationship between the fixed points of the holonomy group generated by parallel transport along closed paths in $\Gamma$ and the poles of $Z_{\Gamma}(u)$?
Is anyone interested in what I just wrote?
@imbAF $f'(x') = g'(h(x')) h'(x')$. You will see that it all lines up.
@BenSteffan trusted sources say this might indeed be the perfect state to perform some algrabraically-topological stuff
@copper.hat $\frac{2R}{x'}-\frac{2R}{x'^2}(x-x')$ ?
22:37
I am editing my talk notes to publish online
not an ideal state tbh
hahaha
Damn talk about topological
@Claudio the trusted source is Thorgott
the sources were wrong then
@copper.hat Ok, i will do as I am told
22:39
I'm tipsy on coffee
@ModularMindset dropping such a hellish question out of nowhere might land you in jail :p
@imbAF hold on, let me check that what i wrote above is correct
@imbAF i wrote something incorrect above.
Ok I will wait
@copper.hat May I ask one technical question
More about convention
go ahead
@Claudio I had to ask haha
22:46
Can you consider a taylor expansion to some arbitrary point, without a specific value? like x, and you need to expand around it. So you'd take the "other variable" $\bar x$, so in your expansion you would have smth like $....(\bar x - x)^i$, where i=0,1,2...
Not really, it must be taken about a definite point.
ah
I ask this because in my physics exercise, I am told that we are considering a point $\vec x$ far away from the origin of the object considered
And since I am not told the specific value
I asked that question
that is why i thought you were asking about asymptotics originally
Aha I see
well, since the point is far away and occurs in the denominator the resulting expression will be small and so approximations about that value (meaning $0$ as in ${2 R \over \infty}$ as such) may be meaningful.
22:50
Yeah, it was also given that $|\vec R|<<x$
Could you explain again, how it's meaningful the expand around 0
I understand that because it is large, we can make the approximation
But to expand around zero
Can't bring myself around
If $x$ is large then ${2R \over x}$ is small. So the approximation $\sqrt{1-t} \approx 1-{1 \over 2} t$ is relevant.
But you are using a Taylor approximation of $\sqrt{1-t}$ based at $t=0$, a definite point.
yes
that is somehow ugly
for the case considered
even though mathematically it makes sense
But if you fix some $x' \neq 0$ and want to approximate, then you must expand about ${2R \over x'}$.
But in reality imagine, you are in point x in space, vector $\vec x$ away from the origin
and you say, I make an tailor expansion around point 0, which would be the coordinate system
when instead you should do it around point x
See what I mean?
again, without knowing the point of what you are trying to achieve it is hard to give better guidance.
22:57
Still you helped me a lot
by telling me all this
I could upload the exercise, just so you could give it a read and ignore the physics
hopefully. i made a small error above, but correcting is impossible
because it involves no physics
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