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12:00 AM
$A\cap B=\mathbb{Z}\times\{0\}\times\{0\}$ and $A\cap C=\{0\}\times\mathbb{Z}\times\{0\}$
I'm not sure why you're trying to work with internal direct sums though, that's needlessly complicated
 
ima kill myself
i was trying to not make the rank increase byt adding B and C
by
 
try looking at the direct sum of two arbitrary free abelian groups and tell me what you can say about it
 
given two arbitrary sets X and Y with n and m elements accordingly i can have the G(X) and G(Y) free abelian groups generated by X and Y and $ G(X) \oplus G(Y) \cong Z^{n+m} $
$G(X) \oplus G(Y \cup X) \cong G(X) \oplus G(Y) $
maybe something like that
 
12:20 AM
so say you have three sets $X,Y,Z$ and the corresponding free abelian groups $A,B,C$, what's a necessary and sufficient condition for $A\oplus B\cong A\oplus C$?
 
the rank
equal rank
 
and what are the respective ranks?
 
|X|+|Y| and |X|+|Z|
 
right, and what's a necessary and sufficient condition for $B\cong C$?
 
its not the rank again?
 
12:24 AM
it is
 
so |Y|=|Z| no?
 
correct
now if you have $|X|+|Y|=|X|+|Z|$, but $|Y|\neq|Z|$, we have a counter-example, agree?
 
we have found an example as weve been asked to find
but that cant happen if |Y| not equal |Z| how can |X| +|Y|=|X|+|Z|
 
that that's possible is a fundamental observation in set theory
think Hilbert's hotel
 
i dont follow Y and Z must be infinite but not the same infinite?
 
12:34 AM
$Y$ and $Z$ can be finite just fine
 
then |X| is infinite the hotel rooms?
Y and Z the guests?
$ Z^{\infty} \oplus Z^{n} \cong Z^{\infty} \oplus Z^{m} \cong Z^{\infty} $
well im off to goodnight and thanks for staying and helping. ( IF u tell me its not that RIP )
well i dont think i would have thought of it
 
yup, that's it, though I think the notation $\mathbb{Z}^{\infty}$ is not very good
have a good night
 
yes id like a definition of $Z^ {\infty} $ im not sure either
might not be free abelian wiki says
 
12:58 AM
I'm just saying the notation isn't great, but what you mean is the free abelian group of countably infinite rank and that is certainly free abelian, by definition
 
So, Thorgott, is the dead module horse still alive? :D
 
1:14 AM
afraid so
but it's alright as long as the tensor products stay dead
 
LOL ... tensor products aren't your friend?
 
actually, tensor products aren't too bad
but I'm only saying that cause change of base rings is the real evil
 
1:51 AM
hi there,
What is the effect of K in this function
f = ln[ (K-0.9)/(K-0.1) ] / -a
where a is constant
 
 
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4:49 AM
hi guys morning/evening/afternoon/noon actually i was reading about the graohas of polynomial function $x^3$ and $x^2$ etc and they can easily be traceable ,but if i look a the $z^2$ and $z^3$ does they have any physical significance?I mean if i multiply z by z it onl gives me another complex number if it is not purely real or purely imaginary ,that is contradicting for me if i take $z$ as purely real then $z^24 surely have a physical meaning ,i am confuse in it!
 
 
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7:54 AM
@robjohn hi
 
 
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1:06 PM
Quiet huh
 
Hi @Balarka
 
Hi @Alessandro
 
Any interesting math to talk about?
 
I'm trying to learn to use Malgrange preparation theorem
 
I don't know what that is
But it looks ugly from wiki
 
1:18 PM
the algebraic version looks surprisingly elegant
 
quick question, does the least upper bound property of R depend on the topology of R?
 
it's a statement about the order on R
 
so i m guessing no
actually
yeah it does depend on it.
 
no
stating that R has the lub property is a statement about the order on R, not the topology on R
 
the topology is determined by the order
 
1:23 PM
but it may not have ordered topology
oh
 
well "the" topology of R is the order topology
 
hence the name
 
that doesn't matter
 
lol
 
the statement "R has the lub property" only involves the set R and the order on it
it does not care about which topology you would like to equip R with
 
1:24 PM
no i just realized why its called the ordered topology
 
because it simply isn't a topological statement
 
next question....
I am trying to show that $f = 0$ a.e. on [0,1] implies \int_M f = 0 for every measurable set in [0,1]. I just let $N = \{ f \neq 0 \}$ then M = (M \cap N) \cup (M \cap N^c) and take the integral and it is $0$ for both, so is that a good enough proof?
*f is assumed integrable
 
you don't need that assumption
$f=0$ a.e. already implies integrable
but yeah, this is fine
 
quick question why does f = 0 a.e. imply integrable?
 
because the 0 fuction is integrable
 
1:28 PM
you just calculated the integral and it is finite
 
only on N^C
you can't calculate the integrable without knowing it is integrable first
*N^c
 
well, do the same thing for $|f|$
the integral of a non-negative function always makes sense
you still have $|f|=0$ a.e.
so that integral is $0$ by the calculation and this, by definition, means $f$ integrable
generally, if two functions agree a.e., then one is measurable iff the other is and if their integrals make sense, they agree
so it should be natural to assume $f$ is automatically measurable and integrable, because it essentially is the $0$ function, which we know to be measurable and integrable
 
1:54 PM
@Thorgott did you think about folds
d i d y o u
 
2:18 PM
How to send a link to the transcript when we get it from search box?
For example, I typed “maths” and so many results came up, how can I share one of those? Where is the link?
 
You click the link symbol on the left
Then copy/paste it from the browser address bar
 
𝖓𝖔𝖙 𝖞𝖊𝖙
 
Thank you Alessandro
Thorgott, I want to calculate $$\int_{0}^{\pi/2} ln (\sin x ) dx$$
So, I tried integration by parts. Let $u= ln(\sin x) $ and $dv= dx$, $$ \int_{0}^{\pi/2} u dv = uv \big|_{0}^{\pi/2} - \int_{0}^{\pi/2} v du$$
But $ln(\sin x)~x ~\big|_{0}^{\pi/2}$ isn't defined, because $ln(0)$ isn't defined. Where did I go wrong?
Although, by a mere google search I get tonnes of different techniques for finding it. But I want to know where's my mistake
 
2:45 PM
@Thorgott wai
 
Hawai
 
I gotta learn rep theory
@Knight that's not an issue, your integral is improper to begin with
 
@Thorgott Yes, because the function is not defined for the lower limit. So, what we should do?
I mean why is it like that?
 
I mean, that's just how it is
you can't reasonably extend the logarithm to negative numbers within the reals
 
So, why we can't say "your given integral is wrong"
?
 
2:55 PM
what does that mean
 
I meant that integral doesn't exist
 
but it does
 
soory to interrupt in between i need some help on it
10 hours ago, by Yuvraj
hi guys morning/evening/afternoon/noon actually i was reading about the graohas of polynomial function $x^3$ and $x^2$ etc and they can easily be traceable ,but if i look a the $z^2$ and $z^3$ does they have any physical significance?I mean if i multiply z by z it onl gives me another complex number if it is not purely real or purely imaginary ,that is contradicting for me if i take $z$ as purely real then $z^24 surely have a physical meaning ,i am confuse in it!
 
Problem Statement: Given $n$ different integers $\{a_1, \cdots , a_n\}$, then there exist a subset $\{a_{j1}, \cdots , a_{jn} \}$ with $1 \leq j_1 \lt \cdots \lt j_m \leq n\}$ such that $n$ divides $a_{j1} + \cdots + a_{jm}$
@Thorgott in the above problem, I don't know what does $$1\leq j_1 \lt \cdots \lt j_m \leq n$$ really mean?
Are they just clarifying that subscripts must be appropriate?
 
 
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4:31 PM
It means the subscripts are different to each other
And WLOG that the subscripts are increasing
@Knight
 
The choice of the order is essentially redundant for the problem
All it asks is "Given n numbers, you can choose numbers from them such that the sum of the chosen numbers is divisible by n"
Typically also known as a good party trick for high schoolers
 
4:56 PM
@Balarka I missed those parties when I was in high school.
 
lol so did i
 
It isn't quite as easy as pigeon-hole.
 
yeah theres an extra trick
 
Dratted repetitions.
 
It isn't quite as easy as pigeon-hole.
 
5:02 PM
Yeah, I don't see an elegant argument yet.
 
Maybe try something different
Sorry for bad puns everywhere
 
That pun is ambiguous, though.
 
Yeah, I don't literally mean try something different, I was just suggesting to spot the... difference.
Oops, Freudian slip
 
Difference as in subtraction or as in distinctness? :D
 
Haha subtraction
 
5:06 PM
Well, I was already thinking about pairs of additive inverses.
 
Yeah that's right
Do the pigeonhole argument with the sums as you were doing and then subtract repeated values
 
Don't see it.
 
So $a_1, a_1 + a_2, \cdots, a_1 + \cdots + a_n$ are $n$ values taking $n-1$ values mod $n$, so there's two sums which takes equal values.
But then subtracting them gives a sum which is $0$ mod $n$
In fact, a sum of consecutive terms
 
Ah, I wasn't thinking of nesting with an ordering.
Clever.
 
Ah yeah that's a component I forgot to hint with a pun
 
5:13 PM
Shame on you!
It's funny. I found myself trying the sorts of things students always did when I asked them to prove that if you choose $n+1$ numbers between $1$ and $2n$ (incl.), then there is at least one pair where one divides the other.
They often tried to do it by process of elimination, which doesn't work. I found myself doing the analogous thing here.
 
Yeah this one is tricky, I only know this because I learnt it from somewhere IIRC
 
You mean the one I just said? There's a completely easy pigeon-hole proof, but I assigned it as an induction proof where you truly need induction.
 
Ah no I mean Knight's question
 
I was trying to see if you could do it with the quantitative pigeonhole principle
Not sure if one can
(If you have $n$ pigeons and $k$ boxes, some box has $\lceil n/k \rceil$ pigeons)
 
I guess the trick is figuring out who the pigeons have to be.
 
5:32 PM
@BalarkaSen So, basically that information is redundant, ha?
 
yes
 
Thank you Balaraka
 
@TedShifrin @MikeMiller By the way, it's a boring fact that total space of the tangent bundle of a flat Riemannian manifold is a complex manifold. Under completeness, $M$ is a quotient of $\Bbb R^n$ by a group of affine isometries. So $TM$ is a quotient of $T\Bbb R^n$, which we identify with $\Bbb C^n$, by clearly a group of complex-affine isometries.
 
Yeah, I agree that that's boring. Very weak use of curvature.
 
So the integrable scenario is boring. It's still curious to me that if $M$ is a Riemannian manifold, $TM$ is an almost-Kahler manifold (almost-complex structure we discussed, metric being Sasaki metric and symplectic form coming from that of $T^* M$ with natural isomorphism $TM \to T^*M$ using Riemannian metric)
Maybe there's a way to deform the almost complex structure to a complex structure on $TM$. Some $h$-principle.
 
5:42 PM
Well, yeah, that's just my throw-away comment about $T^*M$ the other day. Well, it's a good exercise to prove directly that $TS^n$ actually is a complex manifold (you can give it explicitly sitting inside $\Bbb C^{2n}$ or $\Bbb C^{n+1}$—probably the latter).
I think integrability is going to be rare.
Actually, that $TS^n$ exercise might have been on the Guillemin & Pollack exercise sheets I sent you years ago.
 
Ah, I see. $TS^n$ is just $\sum_{i = 1}^{n+1} z_i^2 = 1$ in $\Bbb C^{n+1}$.
 
You just figured that out? Or you found my exercise?
I vaguely remember finding that exercise in Hirsch, but I may be wrong.
 
I looked it up but not the solution. Let's see
Should come from rearranging $\|x\| = 1$ and $x \cdot y = 0$
 
Yup.
And oriented $G(2,n)$'s are all complex projective hyperquadrics. Those darned hyperquadrics!!
 
Oh wow, I see.
Comes from messing around with Plucker coordinates?
 
5:53 PM
(The baby case you know well. $\tilde G(2,4) \cong S^2\times S^2$, but the quadric surface in $\Bbb CP^3$ is, being doubly ruled, of course $\Bbb P^1\times \Bbb P^1$.)
 
Nah, you don't need Plücker at all. Think about frames.
 
Also, is it immediate how to rearrange for the $TS^n$ thing? $x \cdot y = 0$ is present in the imaginary part, the real part is like $\|x\|^2 - \|y\|^2 = 1$, which, hmm
 
No, be careful. You're not doing it rightly.
What's your mapping into $\Bbb C^{n+1}$?
 
Oh right, more than $x \cdot y$ is present in the imaginary part.
Nah, OK, let me write it down instead of blundering
 
5:56 PM
We're sending $(x,y)\in S^n\times\Bbb R^{n+1}$ to $x+iy$, right?
 
Yeah
 
But remember it's $z_j^2$, not $|z_j|^2$ !!
So, if $z=x+iy$, what's $z\cdot z$ (not hermitian)?
 
$\|x\|^2 - \|y\|^2 + 2i x \cdot y$, is it not?
 
No, we're doing orthogonal inner product, not hermitian.
Oh, wait.
Right, so this is not yet the right map.
 
Yeah whew you scared me
 
6:01 PM
Sorrreeee.
 
Thought I forgot how to multiply
Lol
 
Well, you did.
 
Maybe you just need to change $x$ to $x \sqrt{1 + \|y\|^2}$.
 
So we might want to think about the unit disk bundle, methinks.
Or do what you just said. I think it's equivalent.
 
So try $(x, y) \mapsto x \sqrt{1+ \|y\|^2} + i y$, no?
Yeah I see the geometric point
Neat.
 
6:06 PM
Hmm, yours doesn't work, does it?
You need to modify $y$ too?
 
Not seeing the issue. $z = x \sqrt{1 + \|y\|^2} + i y$ satisfies $z \cdot z = \|x\|^2 (1 + \|y\|^2) - \|y\|^2 + 2 i \sqrt{1 + \|y\|^2} x \cdot y$. Since $\|x\|^2 = 1$, the real part equates to $1$, and the imaginary part is zero since $x \cdot y = 0$
 
Oh, yeah, duh.
At any rate, that exercise (which I did centuries ago and have assigned numerous times) should have inspired me to think about the issue I just raised the other day.
 
I didn't know this at all, very cool
This shows if you throw away the antidiagonal from $S^n \times S^n$ it's a complex manifold. I wonder if anything at all is known about $S^n \times S^n$.
 
Now, for completeness, you can finish the $\tilde G(2,n)$ argument :P
 
Yeah I should try to see that
 
6:15 PM
And you can show that the usual invariant metric is what you get from the Kähler form on $\Bbb P^{n-1}$ with that embedding. :)
 
Oh how nice
 
Alright... Sorry for being dumb , I'm being one,
I need help in understanding a solution
2n objects of each of three kinds are given to two persons, so that each person gets 3n objects. Prove that
this can be done in 3n6 + 2n + 1 ways.
 
We need some math typesetting here. What is 3n6?
 
Oh sorry, my bad.
It's an OCR-text
$3n^2+2n+1$
 
Ah.
 
6:24 PM
It's a question in a book about number theory (maybe)
Problem solving strategies-Arthur Engel
It has the solution, but I'm not able to understand it
First solution: The result is $3n^2+3n +1 = (n + 1)^3- n^3$ is striking and allows a
geometrical interpretation. One person gets x+y+z = 3n objects with 0 ≤x, y, z≤2n. These are triangular coordinates for an equilateral triangle with altitude 3n.x, y, z
can be interpreted as lattice points (make a figure). The hexagon in the figure can be
interpreted as the projection of the cube with edge n + 1 from which a cube of edge
n is subtracted. This solution is due to Martin Härterich, a gold medallist of the IMO
 
Scary IMO stuff
I struggle to multiply complex numbers
 
Geometric as I like to think I am, this is too tricky for me.
LOL @A
 
Second solution. If the first person gets n - p (p € N) objects of the first kind,
then the person can get p o 2n objects of the second kind. The remaining ones are
objects of the third kind. The sum is

Sum (2n- p + 1) from p=0 to n

p=0
If the first person gets n +q (q€ N) objects of the first kind, then the person gets0
to (2n-q) objects of the second kind, since the person gets 3n objects altogether.
The sumis
(2n-q+1)
The sum altogether is (2n +1)(n +1) +n(2n +1)- n(n +1) = 3n +3n +1
 
You can't just paste stuff in here, man.
 
then what do I do..?
q is from 1 to n , btw
So... Yeah, the explanation is not elaborate enough for me to understand
 
 
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7:35 PM
Puzzle
Let $f : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ be a smooth even function, i.e., $f(x) = f(-x)$. Prove that there's a smooth function $g : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ such that $f(x) = g(x^2)$
 
hmm, not sure whether the obvious thing works
 
Why is the obvious thing smooth at $0$?
 
Hey guys, i would like to know if someone has some references on where i can study duality arguments, specifically like some inequalities.
 
How much of an asshole can I be in my answer @BalarkaSen?
 
Very much, because it's not easy
 
7:51 PM
Ah my approach requires more work than I thought
 
I have a question about: https://www.quantamagazine.org/black-holes-prove-that-anti-de-sitter-space-time-is-unstable-20200511/ It says (paragraph starting with "Moschidis imagined standing in the middle of AdS space-time...") that an AdS observer would see a light signal reach the boundary at infinity in finite time because such a wave is traveling at (or near) the speed of light. How does this explain that? Aren't we talking about the observer's perspective?
 
@MikeMiller Did you manage to prove it germinally at $0$ or something
Then we're thinking of the same difficulty
 
I thought I could do it germinally at zero using Fourier series, but I made a mistake in my calculation.
I honestly assume you use Malgrange
 
I can do it without Malgrange, which essentially exposes the whole idea of what it means to prepare
But yeah
 
well, this confirms I made a good call when deciding not to think about this
 
8:06 PM
Much more fundamental a question than all the manifolds shit we do all day
It's a good choice to think about it
 
I recall thinking about that not too long ago, @Balarka.
If we assume real analytic, easy.
 
Yeah
 
8:30 PM
hi chat
 
hi @Semiclassic
 
8:45 PM
Define $g : [0, \infty) \to \Bbb R$, $g(x) = f(\sqrt{x})$. Then $g'(x^2) = \frac{1}{2x}(g(x^2))' = \frac{1}{2x} f'(x) = \frac{1}{2x} \int_0^x f''(t) dt$ since $f'(0) = 0$ from even-ness. So $\lim_{x \to 0} g'(x^2) = f''(0)/2$
This gives a well-defined continuous extension of $g'$ to $[0, \infty)$
Play similar games to extend all the derivatives of $g$ to $[0, \infty)$ continuously. So now you have a smooth half-germ at $0$.
 
All odd derivatives vanish at $0$, so you can make a Taylor polynomial argument to generalize what you just did. I think that's what I did in the past.
 
Yeah
By Borel's lemma, there is a smooth germ at $0$ whose Taylor polynomial at $0$ is exactly the Taylor polynomial of $g$ at $0$. This says that the negative half-germ of this smooth germ glues to the half-germ we already have
This extends $g$ to the left of $0$ smoothly
 
What be Borel's lemma?
 
Any formal power series in $\Bbb R[[x]]$ is Taylor polynomial of some smooth function at $0$
 
Oh, I was remembering that with someone else's name on it.
 
8:57 PM
Borel's lemma is something stronger, like if $f_1, f_2, \cdots : \Bbb R^n \to \Bbb R$ are smooth functions defined near $0$ then there is a smooth function $F :\Bbb R^n \times \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$ such that $\partial^k F(x, t)/\partial t^k |_{t = 0} = f_k(x)$
This is a corollary with $n = 0$
 
Yeah, I remember learning this from Charles Pugh in the dynamical systems course I took from him. But I didn't remember Borel's name on it.
 
Hmm, Guillemin-Golubitsky seems to say it's by Borel
 
Yeah, so does Pugh in an exercise in his real analysis book.
Those notes were trashed long ago :(
 
Borel's corollary, maybe
guess it doesn't really need a name in that case tho
 
LOL, just found this in Pugh's book. Sorta cute :P
 
9:00 PM
Also saw this in a different formulation in some expository by Michael Weiss; if $L$ is a compact manifold, the map $C^\infty(L \times \Bbb R) \to \prod_{k \geq 0} C^\infty(L)$, $f \mapsto (f(-, 0), \partial_t f|_{t = 0}, \partial^2_t f|_{t = 0}, \cdots)$ has a continuous left-inverse
 
Lol
 
The homework exercise is: "What is the joke in the following picture?"
Raise your hand(s) if you got it :D
 
That's an odd-looking hand.
 
9:05 PM
all i see is a jar, a bunch of greek letters, and an autonomous diff. eq
 
You might call it an ODE
 
ordinary
 
Put on your literary hat.
 
...oof
i see it, and it's terrrible
 
9:07 PM
Nah.
I think it's good that math books have humor, even if the person reviewing my first book said that humor in math books is terrible.
 
pun is awful, and awful is pun
 
Do I need to know how to read Greek to get the joke?
 
may I have a hint, please?
 
another name for a jar is an urn.
 
9:17 PM
thnx, got it!
 
Balarka never would have asked for a hint :P
 
that's why he was known as your highness :-)
 
thats a nice throwaway account skull
 
I was wrong about my triplets.
 
@TedShifrin So the Malgrange preparation theorem says that if $f : (M, p) \to (N, q)$ is any smooth map, $A$ is a finitely generated module over the local ring $C^\infty_p(M)$ of germs, then under basechange by $f^* : C^\infty_q(N) \to C^\infty_p(M)$, $A$ is a finitely generated module over $C^\infty_p(M)$ iff $A/\mathfrak{m}_q(N)A$ is a finite-dimensional vector space where $\mathfrak{m}_q(N) \subset C^\infty_q(N)$ is the maximal ideal of functions vanishing at $q$.
Let $\phi : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$, $\phi(x) = x^2$. Consider $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$ as a module over itself, and basechange by $\phi$. Then the new $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$-module structure on $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$ is $f(x) \cdot g(x) = f(x^2) g(x)$.
 
9:27 PM
That's too fancy an approach for Ted.
 
Before restriction of scalars, $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)/(x)C^\infty_0(\Bbb R) \cong C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)/(x) = \Bbb R$ was finite-dimensional, so by Malgrange $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$ as this weird module after restriction of scalars is also finite-dimensional. But then $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)/(x) C^\infty_0(\Bbb R) \cong C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)/(x^2) = \Bbb R\langle 1, x\rangle$ is a 2D vector space spanned by $1$ and $x$, so by Nakayama's lemma $\{1, x\}$ is a basis for $C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$ as this weird module
This means for every $f \in C^\infty_0(\Bbb R)$, $f(x) = g(x) \cdot 1 + h(x) \cdot x$, or, $f(x) = g(x^2) + x h(x^2)$ for some smooth germs $g, h$ at $0$
If $f$ is even $h \equiv 0$, and we have the germinal result
 
Yup.
 
I feel like there's some ugly analysis hiding under this nice algebra
 
Yeah, basically the idea of "preparation" is elaborated in my proof of this result (originally by Whitney it seems -- what a giant!) above, you reduce Malgrange preparation to the case of Weierstrass preparation (an analytic result) by Borel's theorem
 
can anyone point me in the direction that puts mathematical rigor to these words? "zooming in, one loses global information about the (object) and zooming out one loses local information about the object
specifically in geometry
 
9:40 PM
Weierstrass preparation is proved by repeatedly using Cauchy integral formula - a way of reading off the whole Taylor series from integrals
It's not worth reading the proof in detail. Very little payoff.
I still don't quite get it. When is it true that if $f : A \to B$ makes $B$ an $A$-algebra, $M$ is an f.g. $A$-module, then $f^* M$ is an f.g. $B$-module?
 
Is there a typo in that?
 
Thank you
 
Still seems not contravariantly right.
But I guess I get it now.
Extension of scalars stuff. Flatness? Integral extension?
 
What is $f^\ast M$? Just $am=f(a)m$?
Oh no I'm going the wrong way around
 
Duh, wait, I am the wrong way around
 
9:51 PM
ok so $M$ is actually a $B$ module and you mean the thing I wrote above?
@Thorgott did you tell Balarka about the f.g. modules nonsense we were thinking about yesterday evening?
 
Right. $f : A \to B$, $M$ an f.g. $B$-module. $f^* M$ is $M$, restricted scalars to $A$. When is it an f.g. module over $A$?
If $f$ is a finite morphism ($B$ is a finitely generated $A$-module under the structure given by $f$), this is true, of course.
 
What's an easy example in which $f^\ast M$ is not f.g.?
 
$k \to k[x]$, $k[x]$ module over itself
 
Ah right of course
This smells like you're tricking me into doing AG
 
What the algebraic content of Malgrange says is if $f$ is a morphism of some special local rings coming from geometry, $f^* M$ is an f.g. $A$-module iff $f^*M/\mathfrak{m}_A f^* M$ is a finite dimensional vector space
One direction is Nakayama, the other direction is usually false
So something special is happening
 
9:56 PM
Hm I don't think I want to think about this
 
How does one define a split exact sequence of groups without reference to semidirect products?
 
Existence of a left splitting
 
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