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This is the solution provided to the problem
If anyone explain the first part of solution that's enough.
 
1:21 AM
solve y' = y/x
not sure why that didn't occur to me yesterday when you asked.
 
The first two lines come from working out the algebra they give you with the tangent and normal lines.
 
1:59 AM
hi
If $X_n\in \mathcal{L}^1$ are random variables, how do I show that for each $n$, there exists $c_n$ such that $\mathbb{P}(|\frac{X}{c_n}|\geq \frac{1}{n})\leq \frac{1}{2^n}$
?
 
2:35 AM
I, the god of mathematics, came here to see how modern people do mathematics.
Which book on analytic number theory should I read after Apostol?
 
3:28 AM
@monoidaltransform it is equivalent to showing that $\lim_{c \to \infty} P[|X| \ge c \epsilon ] = 0$ for any $\epsilon>0$. this follows from continuity of measure.
 
Hello, can anyone take a look at my post regarding mutually orthogonal probability measures? Thank you.
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Q: Show that two orthogonal probability measures have the following representations for disjoint intervals on $[0,1]$

MikeProblem: $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are two mutually orthogonal probability measures in the sense that for some Borel subset $E\subset[0,1]$, $\alpha(E)=0$ and $\beta(E)=1$. If $F(x)=\alpha\{[0,x]\}$ and $G(x)=\beta\{[0,x]\}$ for $0<x\leq 1$, show that for any $\varepsilon>0$, there is finite collectio...

 
3:44 AM
@AlessandroCodenotti shouldn't all historical events be , in this chatroom, for future reference?
 
@user6232128 Certainly not the jokes.
 
I'd actually disagree. Jokes deserve to be immortalized the same as any other thought. (Within reason, of course)
 
when is your next math club zoom presentation?
 
We have them on Fridays. Different speaker each week
 
3:51 AM
thanks
 
So, my next presentation would probably be next semester
If you want, I can actually talk to the organizer and see if we can invite people from off campus
 
nah, I just like the idea in general
 
Yeah, I still haven't watched the video of my presentation back
There's just something nerve wracking about it
 
you did a fine job
 
Well, I'm glad about that
In other news, it's the last week before finals where I am, and I made a game-assignment for my kids to compete against each other while practicing math. However, it looks like it might not be played because I over-estimated the enthusiasm of Freshmen in a math course
I'm thinking about spreading it around to others so that it doesn't go to waste
 
4:10 AM
yeah, providing games so close to the final exams is being a bit overly optimistic :P
 
Well, that's a thing for me to remember for next time
 
Right now, most of them, are scrambling to find practice final exams.
 
4:41 AM
Heya @Rithaniel
 
Hello everyone
 
5:35 AM
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Q: Evaluating the sum $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{F_n}$

Leonhard EulerLet $F_n$ be the $n^\text{th}$ Fibonacci number. I wanted to calculate $$\sum_{n\ge1}\frac{1}{F_n}$$ I simplified it to $$\sqrt{5}\sum_{n\ge1}\frac{1}{\varphi^n-\phi^n}$$ But this didn't seem to help. The value is approximately $3.35988566624317755317201130291892...$. The OEIS entry of this cons...

Does someone know the answer?
 
5:51 AM
@TedShifrin Thanks I came up with equations but I have a small doubt that is if we consider the equation of the tangent y = mx + c , the equation comes up only when y = f(x) but don't the y in tangents equation represent the trajectory of tangent
 
I don't understand. Write the equation of the tangent line to $y=f(x)$ at $x=a$. Same for $g$. The equation for them to intersect on the $y$-axis is an equation with $f$, $g$, $f’$, $g’$ all evaluated at $a$. They then rewrote it with $x$ instead of $a$.
 
6:08 AM
but I think only the slope "m" comes from the y = f(x)
at x=a
 
6:23 AM
the equation of the tangent line at a is given by f(a)+f'(a)(x-a), so the value of the y-axis intercept is when x=0, so that gives f(a)-af'(a)
hence f(x)-xf'(x)=g(x)-xg'(x)
 
@copper That first one is not an equation.
 
@TedShifrin How much longer do you plan to stay up?
 
Ah! Yes, I got it. Generally in the equation of tangent y is a variable but at point x=a the "y" of the tangent is equal to that of "y = f(a)" of curve so it is equal to f(a)
 
No, that's not right. But use the point-slope formula for lines.
Why? @feynhat
 
I had a couple of questions.
Sections of line bundles and stuff.
 
6:33 AM
yes it comes with slope formula y = mx +c as you said I've misunderstood that point
 
Around for a half hour or so.
 
Okay. Give me a minute.
 
@TedShifrin @copper.hat Thank you very much.
 
@TedShifrin sry, i meant the function t(x)=f(x)+f'(x)(x-a)
@AnnamalaiSriram it might help to draw a little diagram. my research advisor used to call such things as 'proof by picture'.
 
Better to write the equation since we want to set the $y$-intercepts equal.
 
6:42 AM
Let $F(x, y) = x^2 - y^2$. I want to show that the section of $\gamma_{\mathbb{CP}^1}^{\ast\otimes 2} \to \mathbb{CP}^1$ (ie. the second tensor power of the dual of the tautological line bundle. I believe its also sometimes written as $\mathcal{O}(-2)$) induced by $F$ is transverse to the zero section.
Lets denote the induced section by $s_F$. I need to check that at the points where $F=0$, $s_F$ is a submersion. The point in $\mathbb{CP}^1$ where this happens is $[1, 1]$.
What does the induced section look like in charts? Let $U_i$ denote the standar atlas of $\mathbb{CP}^1$. In $U_0$, the polynomial is just the dehomogenization $f(z) = F(1, z)$. Now, the target of the section is $\gamma_{\mathbb{CP}^1}^{\ast\otimes 2}$ which has a standard trivialization over $U_0$.
So, the section can be thought of as a map $U_0 \to U_0 \times \mathbb{C}$. I will ignore the the first output because its just identity. So, basically, this is just $U_0 \to \mathbb{C}$. What is this map? Is it just $F(1, z) = 1 - z^2$?
 
No, it’s written $\mathscr O(2)$.
There are two zeroes, of course.
 
right the other being [1,-1].
 
Right.
Yes, that's the dehomogenization.
And the derivative is non-zero at $z=\pm 1$.
 
Thanks. It seems a bit hacky to me. Like I missing some detail.
 
Hacky?
 
6:53 AM
Hey Ted!
 
Hi Demonark
 
How are you doing?
 
So, if I want to check if a section induced by a homogeneous polynomial is transverse to the zero section, I just need to see if look at the roots of its dehomogenization and see that all of those roots are simple (derivative doesn't vanish at those roots.)
 
Still alive.
 
That's good, same here
 
6:55 AM
In general, what does it mean for a section to be transverse to the zero section?
For any line (vector) bundle?
 
At the points where they intersect, the images of the derivatives should span the tangent space at those points.
 
So if the section is given locally by a function, the graph if that function should be transverse to the graph of the zero function. Just go back to first principles.
 
Hmm... so locally, the sections are given by dehomogenization of the polynomial, so my assertion about roots being simple is true.
 
Yes
 
Heya Ted. Sorry about the delay in response
(I find myself on a nocturnal schedule once again)
 
7:05 AM
No problem. Balarka breaks everyone’s sleep.
 
Hehe, fair enough. I break my own sleep, though. Of course, I'm thirty now and it's becoming more difficult to switch between different sleep schedules
 
Old man!
 
Now that I think about it my sleep schedule was better before I met Balarka
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Correlation \implies causation and all that
 
You've been around here since late your first year in college, I think.
 
Maybe mid second year, I think I already finished a quarter of analysis by then?
 
7:09 AM
Approximately.
 
7:55 AM
@SayanChattopadhyay Hi.
Have you returned to Mohali?
 
8:47 AM
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@Balarka I noticed only now but King Gizzard put out a new album a couple of weeks ago
 
 
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Hi all! I'm currently a 2nd year EE student. I plan on taking an introductory Graph Theory course in my next semester and wanted some insights from people who possibly have more experience in that field.
Would anyone say that Graph Theory is, in general, a heavy course for someone who has only done Multivariable Calculus and Partial Differential Equations, in terms of mathematical maturity?
Any and all insights are appreciated
 
learn how to do inductive proofs
 
So that's what constitutes the bulk of Graph theory, is it?
 
1:21 PM
Well
it'll be proof heavy
and a lot of proofs in a first course on graph theory are inductive
idk how it is in more advanced courses
but it's definitely an important technique in graph theory
 
Hello
I noticed something
I was just calculating some sequences
Let $\omega(n)$ be the number of distinct prime divisors of n.
And $\Omega(n)$ the number of prime divisors of n, counted with multiplicity
Let $$l(x)=\frac{\pi(x)}{\Omega(n)-\omega(n)+1}$$
Can every positive integer be represented in the form $l(n),n\in\Bbb{N}$?
It seems to be true from computational evidence
 
1:38 PM
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yikes
 
@Leonhard if p_n is the n'th prime then I(p_n) = n
 
okay thanks
It is l, btw
not I
 
@EdwardEvans Amazing
 
1:45 PM
@EdwardEvans Please tell the name of the book, it seems very rigorous and intuitive.
The Ugly duckling theorem is an argument showing that classification is not really possible without some sort of bias. More particularly, it assumes finitely many properties combinable by logical connectives, and finitely many objects; it asserts that any two different objects share the same number of (extensional) properties. The theorem is named after Hans Christian Andersen's 1843 story "The Ugly Duckling", because it shows that a duckling is just as similar to a swan as two duckling are to each other. It was proposed by Satosi Watanabe in 1969. == Mathematical formula == Suppose there are...
 
2:01 PM
what
 
btw if someone wants more fractals images ask me
I have tons of those
See this mandelbrot:
I zoomed out further and got this image:
 
that seems more like a glitch
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oh okay
I wondered what was this
 
@EdwardEvans seems like a normal lemma in analysis
 
And a remark of a normal analytic number theory book
 
2:16 PM
lol
 
okay just one more fractal image I want to share:
Someone tell me the creator of this one
Really hilarious
this is called 'heart'
 
looks more like an upside-down pear to me
 
when someone thinks like you, his mind is called 'the mind of a scientist'
congrats :P
 
congrats @user2103480
 
thanks for the gold kind stranger
ah wait wrong cringy forum
 
2:28 PM
heh
 
okay so give a name of this:
other than axe
 
*other than axe
 
who're you calling cringy nerd?
 
worm escaping my apple
 
2:29 PM
empty straw next to puddle of ket

aka a british lunch
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looool
 
@anakhro worm is making a hole
WoRmHoLe
 
ket coke and piiiills
 
Okay, now let's discuss actual math.
Anyone learn anything neat recently?
 
why should I care about Hilbert 90
Like if i have a field $K$ with group $G$, why is $H^1(G, GL_n(K)) = 0$ an interesting result
 
2:31 PM
I learned what a Banach space is, after months of working with Hilbert spaces
 
@Rithaniel I don't believe you.
 
Taking the Banach dem du dich in einem vollbesoffenen Zustand blamiert hast
 
not learned recently, but it is $$e^{\pi i}+1=0$$
And I learned recently that 'formal definition' of a fractal
 
@Rithaniel you might be very happy with learning about Banach algebras.
 
a fractal is...
 
2:36 PM
@anakhro I need to do semigroup theory for finding mild solutions of SDEs and SPDEs now
 
a set for which the Hausdorff dimension strictly exceeds the topological dimension
 
and other PDE stuff that I'm not used to yet
 
@user2103480 is this for research towards a thesis?
 
it's for a master's course on SPDE, and tangentially for courses on stochastic processes in neuroscience/fluids
 
just wanted to know, what is your (you all's) favorite branch of mathematics?
Mine is Analytic NT
 
2:39 PM
@user2103480 Very fancy sounding. How does it relate to neuroscience/fluids, roughly?
 
@anakhro for stochastic processes in neuroscience, one begins with basically a circuit model like in electronic circuits, and add's a noise with drift that is a first stop towards formalising the randomly incoming inputs to the neuron
so we arrive at a stochastic differential equation, and we're interested in spiking times
The time depenedent density of such a process then satisfies the fokker-planck equation, a form of continuity equation
 
@anakhro Nah, really. I'd seen the term bandied about before, but I had never actually gotten around to looking at the definition. My linear analysis course has been working almost exclusively with Hilbert spaces (I think this is in part due to the fact that the presence of an inner product makes things easier)
 
have to go
 
and we're interested in finding densities for the times when spikes occur, which can be imagined as kinds of poisson processes
 
2:44 PM
Euler would come after some time
 
So we already have some SDE and PDE stuff at hand, and try to find differential equations that densities of stopping times, depending on starting potential, satisfy, and reasonable boundary conditions. Then we do laplace transforms etc. It's hairy
 
@user2103480 noice
 
When one goes much further than me, one arrives at SPDE models for neuron firing and how the spikes are propagated between neurons
And for those, the semigroup stuff - also related to markov processes and their generators - is helpful to define forms of solutions to certain types of SPDEs
 
@user2103480 Ah, I see. Do you enjoy seeing this side with the applications? Or are you more interested in the pure SPDE side.
@Rithaniel Well it's a great type of space, and now it opens up all the Gelfand-Naimark theory stuff.
 
I did enjoy the preliminaries, i.e. constructing stochastic integrals on function spaces (formally on hilbert spaces, but in the context of SPDEs, function spaces are mostly relevant)
I couldn't imagine doing "pure" PDE
 
2:53 PM
Oh, new term to look up
 
all the intuition comes from the scenarios where the PDEs come from and I lack intuition for differential equations in any case
so I think I need applications to understand what that is all about
 
@user2103480 I suppose most differential equation stuff comes up as physical problems. Then you want to be able to solve these specific problems. Then they come up with some mathematical tools. But these tools have limits, and so forth.
 
the stochastic processes in fluids stuff is more focused on correlation functions of complex-valued stochastic processes and the dynamics that these are related to, so lots fourier transforms
apparently this is all in the hamiltonian dynamics/thermodynamics setting but I don't get that yet
 
With the fluids stuff, does it get at all symplectic?
 
no, thankfully not
 
3:01 PM
Because in like hydrodynamics where the Hamiltonian setting is a given, most stuff seems to revolve around symplectic geometry.
 
Hansen and McDonald: Theory of simple liquids (Academic Press, 2006).
thats our main book
 
Hmm let me see if I remember this correctly. If you take a manfiold M as your configuration space, then the setting for fluid dynamics is you take G to be Diff(M), which a lie group, look at it's lie algebra. It's dual has a Poisson structure and you restrict to the symplectic leaves.
 
is a finitely generated module over a discrete valuation ring flat?
I want it to be flat
 
@user2103480 Thanks, I will have to check it out.
@SayanChattopadhyay that basically just summarizes integrable systems in general, not just fluid dynamics.
 
@SayanChattopadhyay thankfully, we're not doing that
 
3:14 PM
Yeah @anakhro I was thinking about integrable systems and changing the lie groups was giving you various physical systems. I think one can derive the Euler equations from here by looking at the coadjoint orbits and stuff, I may be wrong
 
Yes, I think that sounds about right.
 
@user2103480 ah I see. There's a book my Arnold on fluid dynamics isn't there?
 
if it has the word dynamics in it, Arnold probably wrote something on it
 
When people say "the topology generated by a family of pseudometrics" what is meant exactly?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti link to the context?
 
3:20 PM
I was thinking about finite intersections of balls but I'm not sure
 
That's what I meant to say
It's the roughest topology such that the pseudonorms are continuous
IIRC
 
Right but they are functions on the product so it's annoying
Maybe it's the same as something like the coarsest topology such that for all $x\in X$ and all pseudometrics $d$, the function $y\mapsto d(x,y)$ is continuous
 
@EdwardEvans can't you use STFGMPID
to reduce it to checking whether R/π^n is flat
and I assume they aren't?
 
4:04 PM
How can I show one sheeted cone without the origin is non-extendable?
nonextenable: If S is a connected regular surface then $S$ is called non-extendable if it is not a proper subset of a larger connected regular surface
 
@Leaky well the quotients are finite rings in this case .. idk if that helps, my Alg2 weakness is showing
oh wait
I think my ring is free over the base ring lmaoo
 
ergo ut finitus potest?
 
it's f.g. free over
the dude
 
you said free dude
so it's flat
 
yeah exactly
that's why "lmaoo"
 
4:11 PM
ok
 
@love_sodam This cone extends infinitely in the one direction?
 
it's a general ANT fact that if you have an extension L/K then O_L is a free O_K-module
of rank [L:K]
 
Or is it just an open edge.
 
@EdwardEvans it is not
 
@anakhro $\{(x,y,z)\in\Bbb R^3:z = \sqrt{x^2+y^2}\}$
And remove the origin
 
damn
 
Alright, so it extends infinitely upwards.
 
ruin the basis of my existence why don't you
 
Yea
 
4:13 PM
So where could you possibly extend it, @love_sodam?
 
so what if I have the additional assumption that my fields are local?
 
then I think you're fine
@EdwardEvans c'est mon plaisir
 
rofl
I mean
yeah it works in the local case
 
@anakhro maybe downside..? If I add a handle on the surface of the cone then what is the problem?
 
@love_sodam how do you add a handle? Walk me through the steps.
 
4:18 PM
@anakhro maybe I will draw it
 
I know what it would look like, but to see the problem, you have to explicitly write what you are doing.
Because adding a handle starts with a very problematic operation on manifolds.
 
I thought If I add a handle then it's connected regular surface that properly contains the original cone
 
Well how do you add a handle?
Walk me through the steps.
What is the first thing you have to do when adding a handle to a surface?
Or put another way, a handle is an gluing of a tube or cylinder to the surface---where am I gluing this tube to on the cone?
 
On the side of the cone..?
 
@Lukas don't look at the erroneous claims I made about the integers of extension fields
 
4:26 PM
I didn't think specifically about that. Just wonder why that's not a connected regular surface containing the cone.
 
@love_sodam how do I glue it on the side of the cone?
 
@Lukas it works in the local case but Leaky gave an example where it doesn't work in the global case
 
it's true if $O_K$ is a PID and $K$ is a local or global field or if you assume that $L/K$ is separable
 
but I only care about the local case atm so screw that paper
 
ofc in the local case $O_K$ is always a PID
 
4:29 PM
The other day you helped me prove my result in the p-torsion case and now I've extended it to the p^n torsion case, but the result rested on this flat extension
 
@love_sodam after you figure out how you glue it to the side of the cone, you will most definitely realize why it's not a connected regular surface containing the cone.
 
@EdwardEvans which flat extension?
 
@anakhro just draw two disjoint circle on the side of the cone and connect those two by a tube
 
$\mathcal{O}_K \to \mathcal{O}_{\widehat{K^{ur}}}$
 
yes that's flat
note that over PID, flat is equivalent to torsion-free
 
4:30 PM
the right guy is free over the left guy and I wanted left tensoring over $\mathcal{O}_K$ to be exact
 
@love_sodam okay, so what appears to be the problem with that?
 
and clearly $\mathcal{O}_{\widehat{K^{ur}}}$ is a torsion-free $\mathcal O_K$-module
 
yeah lol
but freeness gives you the flatness as well
 
I don't see why it's free
 
@anakhro Maybe the circle part..?
 
4:32 PM
ah shiet
 
there's a completion here, and completions are in general not free, e.g. $k[[x]]$ is not free over $k[x]_{(x)}$
 
damn
Why does torsion free over PID imply flat?
 
@love_sodam suppose you are an ant living on your tubed cone. If you lived on the edge of a circle that you just attached a handle to, what incredibly un-surface-like feature do you notice about your home?
 
there's a criterion for flatness which say that a left module over a ring $R$ is flat iff for all f.g. left ideals $I$, the map $I \otimes_R M \to IM$ is injective
over a PID $I=(r)$ is isomorphic to $R$ via $s \mapsto rs$ and using that isomorphism and $R \otimes_R M \cong M$, the map $I \otimes_R M \to IM$ becomes multiplcation by $r$: $M \to rM$
 
ah nice
 
4:35 PM
and clearly torsion-free means that multiplication by any scalar is injective
 
stick that in the bank
yeah
thanks again lol
just do my pset for me
 
if you use that $M$ is flat iff $M_{\mathfrak{p}}$ is flat for all primes, you can also make torsion-free iff flat work over a Dedekind domain
 
@Lukas just as a sanity check.. if I have an exact sequence and Hilbert 90 holds, that "means" that taking Galois invariants is exact right?
because I get my long exact sequence from Galois cohomology and if the first cohomology vanishes then zeroth cohomology is exact
 
yes
 
yay then my solution works
lmao
 
4:39 PM
@anakhro No nbd diffeomorphic to R^2 at that point?
 
@love_sodam why the question mark?
 
@anakhro No nbd diffeomorphic to R^2 at that point.
 
@love_sodam okay, so that is problematic, right?
 
@anakhro Yes
@anakhro Then the only extendable way is to put the origin?
 
@love_sodam alternatively, you might try to add a handle by cutting out holes, then attaching the tube to the boundary of the holes you punched (this is the usual way of adding a handle, usually to existing holes), but this is problematic to.
And yes, I'd say the only convenient "edge" on which to extend your cone is the edge, but this is obviously problematic.
 
4:49 PM
@anakhro Thanks. I got it
 
5:22 PM
o/ Daminark
 
5:34 PM
@user2103480 Meinst du "Linkstensorifikazifizierung" ist zulässige Sprache?
 
If S is a connected complete regular surface and define $diam(S) = \sup\{d(p,q)|p,q\in S\}$ where $d$ is a intrinsic distance. If $diam(S)$ is finite then $S$ is compact.
I need to show $S$ is closed. So if $\{x_n\}$ be a sequence in $S$ that converges to $x$. Then I want to show this sequence is d-cauchy so that $x\in S$. So suppose not. Then, there is $\epsilon>0$ such that $d(x_i,x_j)>\epsilon$ for any $i,j$. I want to show $d(x_1,x)$ is infinite. How can I?
 
hahahaha
 
@user2103480 @BalarkaSen probability nerds do you know about the Lovasz local lemma by any chance?
 
5:56 PM
in this puzzle, what is S_n? "n red points r_i in the plane and n blue points b_j. Show there is a matching \sigma \in S_n such that none of the straight line segments joining a_i to b_\sigma(i) cross. "
 
Symmetric group
the group of permutations of n elements
 
@Astyx hmm... is this hard to solve?
 
I'm not sure, but it doesn't look impossible at first sight
if (r,b) and (r', b') cross, then look at (r, b') and (r', b)
And you can hope that applying this algorithm over and over again gives you such a matching
There might be pathogenic cases however, if you have four points in a line, blue blue red red
I'm not sure whether that counts as crossing
 
There's a mindblowingly neat solution to this puzzle, I discussed it here before
 
I'm all ears (or eyes, rather)
 
6:08 PM
But yeah you do need to exclude sets with 3 or more collinear points
Ok here's the trick
There are finitely many ways to place $n$ segments between those two sets of points. I claim that one minimizing the sum of the lengths of the segments works.
To see that is enough to, given a matching with a crossing, produce one with lower total length. Suppose that the segments between $r,b$ and $r',b'$ cross. Replace them with those between $r,b'$ and $r',b$, by the triangle inequality total length went down
 
Oh yeah that's neat
 
It's my favourite tricky puzzle :P
 
6:51 PM
so the basics of thermodynamics are still a bit opaque to me. This post (https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/math-doesnt-suck-and-the-chayes-mckellar-winn-theorem/) has a pretty good summary, and the math isn't what's confusing me, but the "objects" we're working in.
When he says " the number of possible microstates that the system S could be in is finite", what is meant here? I imagine a microstate to be something like an extremely small region in space
@EdwardEvans linkstensorifikation eher
 
:/ Das wäre ein neuer Fachbegriff gewesen
 
@AlessandroCodenotti heard of it, not more
 
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