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7:00 PM
every tree has only one spanning tree, right?
 
Sure, @Sayan, blame the chat.
 
I think the snow is sticking outside :o
 
Snow?
 
COVID + midwest winter are going to be interesting...
 
Let's just have parties with 1000 people indoors in one small room.
 
7:13 PM
You mean that's not what you are doing right now?
 
Lol
 
Interestingly, it's not just Tromp's America that's in trouble. Europe is in bad shape.
 
Well, parts of Europe
 
I can't imagine being in the UK right now. Brexit. Now this. I've never been there, but I've been hearing of a mass exodus pre-Brexit
 
I can't imagine what's become of the US in 4 short years. Moving right along ...
 
7:18 PM
We only have about 1/6th the death rate of the UK or US here
 
Yeah, but Italy, France, Spain ... are going up in flames again. Just as we are, despite the idiocies our "president" intones.
Why are the questions on main getting noticeably worse and worse by the day?
 
I'm personally of the perspective that the US has been this way. It's just more explicit now, and social media algorithms only increase the feedback loop.
 
To wit, this and this?
"has been this way"?
 
Well, I guess what I'm particularly emphasizing are conspiracy theories that go around, and people willing to take such theories as facts that they will use to guide their decisions.
 
@TedShifrin I guess, but you have to go through it first
 
7:25 PM
I've considered a future in biostatistics... but looking at how people treat public health, I'm reconsidering
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have a degree in epidemiology or have a specialization in clinical trials right now
 
Did Perelman use orbifolds for any significant part of his proof of the Poincare conjecture?
 
@TedShifrin and if you can't justify it you publish it as a conjecture+conditional result?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Right, and then people go and disprove that conjecture as I said :) Good times for some portion of the people involved.
 
7:49 PM
@TobiasKildetoft are you talking by personal experience or?
 
I was following from the sidelines. I was neither the one to write papers based on the conjecture (fortunately), nor the one to disprove it (unfortunately)
 
@TedShifrin Lol, well one has to procrastinate somehow
 
In this case, the conjecture was Lusztig's conjecture
 
Suppose that $R$ is a commutative ring, $P$ is a projective $R$-module, and $g : Hom_{R}(P,P) \to M$ is a homomorphism, where $M$ is some $R$-module. Does $g$ induce a map from $P \to M$?
 
If I have $|X^{\mathfrak{c}}|=|2^{\mathfrak{c}}|$, where $\mathfrak{c}$ is the cardinal of the continuum, what can I say about $|X|$?
 
8:06 PM
Y^X being functions X-->Y?
 
I want to say $|X|<\infty$
 
@Astyx not necessarily
 
Infinity is weird
 
yeah, functions
 
I don't even think you can bound it by the continuum without assuming some version of CH
But you can definitely say that it is at least 2 :)
 
8:09 PM
What's an counter-example ?
 
$\aleph_0$
the continuum itself
 
is $|\aleph_0^{\mathfrak{c}}|=|2^{\mathfrak{c}}|$?
 
yes, and those also equal $|c^c|$
 
Is $c=|\Bbb R|$ ?
 
urgh
I hate infinities
guess I'll become a finitist
 
8:12 PM
(just go $c^c = (2^{\aleph_0})^c = 2^{\aleph_0 c} = 2^c$
 
that's assuming CH
 
No, just AC
 
why does the first equality hold?
 
And even a fairly weak version of AC
 
I am having such a mental block, what does $x a x^{-1}$ mean in the context of group actions?
$a$ is part of the set the group is acting on
 
8:15 PM
You mean why the continuum has the same cardinality as the powerset of the naturals? That is fairly standard I would say
 
particularly, what does having a group element being on the right of $a$ means
 
@Shiranai Well, you can act on either side, but usually we only act on one at a time
Are you sure this is not part of defining an action of a group on itself?
 
just reading for the definition of centralizer on dummit & Foote and I think it's the first time a group element is to the right of the set
 
@Shiranai Where are you reading this? You're right that the conjugation action only makes sense when a left and right action are defined (and normally you're acting on the group itself)
 
they only defined left actions, I think (though I may be wrong, just speed re-reading)
 
8:17 PM
@Shiranai The point is that what you wrote defines a left action
 
oh, of course you're right
I was confused
 
@Thorgott CH (and GCH) comes into play if you want to bound $X$ from above based on the condition you gave
 
@Shiranai What page?
 
hmm but how should I interpret $x a x^{-1}$? is it the same as $x (a x^{-1})$?
48
 
$A$ is a non-empty subset of $G$, did you miss that part?
 
8:20 PM
yes, I am sorry
 
No problem
 
now it all makes sense
On another note, how do you guys remember the stuff you read? Just re-read when you feel you need it, have some kind of system, or something like that?
 
When I'm reading something new, and that new thing depends on something I've previously learned, either I'll remember that previous thing in enough detail that I don't need to reread anything about it, or I don't, and I'll go reread about it. After a few rereads it'll tend to stick forever
It's also the natural approach to learning in general. When you're reading new material, and you don't know a word, you look up a reference, and then proceed. Whether it's new or something you used to know, you just go read about it again, not really a big deal forgetting stuff, we all do it.
 
thanks for your answer
 
when $\lim f(x)$ exists and is real, is it always possible to find upper and lower bounds for $f$? in other terms, in the given condition, is it always possible to show it with squeeze theorem?
 
8:29 PM
waddup yo
 
@sevdaicmis My guess is the answer is no. Consider a function $f(x) = x$ for $x \neq 0$, and then $f(0) = 1,000,000$ or something like that.
 
@sevdaicmis As x goes to what?
 
@NeverEnoughTime i don't think it's relevant
 
@sevdaicmis ??
 
If $P$ and $Q$ are $R$-modules, where $R$ is a commutative ring, is $End_{R}(P \oplus Q) \cong End_{R}(P) \oplus End_{R}(Q)$?
 
8:32 PM
@user193319 No
 
let's say $f$ is defined and continuous on $\mathbb{R}$. and $x\to a$ for $a\in\mathbb{R}$, or $x\to\pm\infty$.
 
@user193319 Things on the left hand side break up like $$\begin{bmatrix}\varphi_{PP}&\varphi_{PQ}\\\varphi_{QP}&\varphi_{QQ}\end{bmatrix}$$
 
@sevdaicmis Extreme value theorem for the finite case? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_value_theorem
 
Hmm...I was thinking that $\phi (f) = (\pi_1f \iota_{1}, \pi_2 f \iota_2)$ would be the isomorphism, where $\pi_1$ and $\pi_2$ are canonical projections and $\iota_1 : P \to P \oplus Q$ and $\iota_2 : Q \to P \oplus Q$ are the injections.
 
@user193319 Is $M_2(R)$ the same as $M_1(R)\oplus M_1(R)$?
 
8:35 PM
that doesn't quite work
an endomorphism of $P\oplus Q$ can "intertwine" $P$ and $Q$
 
Hmm...
 
Yeah in the sense I wrote above
 
so it won't be determined just by how it acts on $P$ and $Q$ separately
 
$\varphi_{PQ}$ means it lies in $Hom(P,Q)$ etc if that wasn't clear
 
I'm trying to show that if $P$ is projective, then $Hom_{R}(P,P)$ is projective, and every idea that comes to me fails.
 
8:37 PM
yeah, we have $\operatorname{End}_R(P\oplus Q)=\operatorname{Hom}_R(P\oplus Q,P\times Q)\cong\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,P\times Q)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,P\times Q)\cong\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,P)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,Q)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,P)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,Q)$ naturally in both $P$ and $Q$
 
Precisely
 
Hmm...that seems too complicated to be useful for the problem I am working on.
 
@user193319 It's not complicated :P, he's just pulling out limits and colimits
 
a similar thing works in the category of groups as well
but you need to require the images of some of these maps commute
 
Yeah, but we haven't learned about limits and colimits, so it is sufficiently complicated.
I don't think it will help me solve the problem I am working on.
 
8:40 PM
it's just the definition of direct sum and product in terms of their universal properties
 
I'm having some calculus difficulties. I want to show something along the lines of $$\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert k(x,y)f(y)\big\vert^2dxdy}\leq\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert k(x,y)\big\vert^2dxdy}\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert f(y)\big\vert^2dxdy}$$
But I don't know if this necessarily true, and I think direction application of Cauchy-Schwarz should give me a different answer
 
@user193319 He wasn't answering the Hom_R(P,P) thingo, he was just explaining my matrix in regard to showing that End(P\oplus Q) isn't what you wrote above
 
no, it actually does answer your question
 
The only other thought I had is, if $g : Hom_{R}(P,P) \to M$ is a homomorphism, where $M$ is some $R$-module. Does $g$ induce a map from $P \to M$?
 
@Thorgott Is that to me? (I honestly didn't mean to interrupt the conversation. Perhaps I should wait for a minute.)
 
8:43 PM
@Thorgott Well assuming s/he has shown the equivalent definitions of projective it does
 
nah, to user193319
I can't think of anything but Cauchy-Schwarz for that type of inequality
 
CS would get rid of the square on the LHS
 
kk, I shall hold the horses to show the overall goal I want to show
 
What definitions of projective have you shown to be equivalent @user193319
(or alternatively, what definition do you have if there's only one right now)
 
And of the square root (?)
 
8:45 PM
@NeverEnoughTime I have the usual definition involving the certain diagrams commuting, I also have that $P$ is projective if and only if $P \oplus Q$ is free for some module $Q$, and I have that $P$ is projective if and only if short exact sequences where $P$ is the last nonzero term always split.
 
@user193319 Can you see how to use the second definition, and what Thorgott wrote above to conclude?
 
Well, that's what I was trying with my (wrong) suggestion, but I can't use those isomorphisms.
 
@user193319 You don't know the categorical definition of product and coproduct yet?
 
No.
 
it's not like you specifically need to
 
8:47 PM
Only very basic category theory has been introduced.
 
you can also wrote down the iso I describe explicitly
the idea is similar to the one you already gave
 
you just need to account for how $P$ and $Q$ can intertwine
 
So you guys are saying that the isomorphism $End_{R}(P \oplus Q) \cong \operatorname{Hom}_R(P,P)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,Q)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,P)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,Q)$ solves the problem?
 
Yep
Where P\oplus Q is free
 
8:50 PM
So, is everything after $Hom_{R}(P,P)$ suppose to be free?
That is, $\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,Q)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,P)\oplus\operatorname{Hom}_R(Q,Q)$ is a free module?
 
no, but why would you want it to be
 
Hmm...I'm a little confused...
Or is $End_{R}(P \oplus Q)$ free?
 
if $P\oplus Q$ is free, yes
 
Hmm...okay. So I need to prove that, and the isomorphism.
 
You had the idea above lol
 
8:52 PM
Damn millennials, always asking for free stuff
 
$\pi_P \varphi \iota_P$, $\pi_P\varphi \iota_Q$ etc
 
Yeah, but I didn't know what lemmas I need in order to solve the problem.
Oh, so those maps will be involved in the isomorphism?
 
You only wrote down the diagonal ones
 
I actually hadn't thought about $\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,P)$ being projective before, the functor $\operatorname{Hom}_R(\operatorname{Hom}_R(P,P),-)$ looks weird
 
Is $Hom_{R}(\oplus R, \oplus R) \cong \oplus Hom_{R}(R,R)$?
 
8:58 PM
that notation doesn't quite make sense
 
TIL that Tom Lehrer wrote a song on $\delta$-$\epsilon$ proofs
 
Hmm...THere isn't an easier way to show $Hom_{R}(P,P)$ is projective?
This seems more difficult than what I imagine my professor had in mind.
 
I doubt it; the proof above is easy
 
And why doesn't it make sense?
It's only easy if you already have those facts proven.
 
@user193319 What fact proven?
Just write down the isomorphism, and use your second equivalent definition to conclude, how is that hard lol
 
9:00 PM
Isomorphism and the fact that $End(P \oplus Q)$.
Well, I still have to prove that $End(P \oplus Q)$ is free.
 
The decomposition of End(P+Q) is not more complicated than the decomposition of matrices that NeverEnough gave. And showing that End(F) for F free isn't too hard
 
those are all easy facts if you know how $\operatorname{Hom}$ behaves with respect to products and coproducts, which is something one should know when doing commutative algebra as it's integral to pretty much anything you do there
 
@Thorgott I'd call it homological algebra I guess
 
I'm not doing commutative or homological algebra though, this is a basic algebra II course.
 
What year?
 
9:03 PM
First year.
 
That's pretty cool actually
 
the relevant facts are $\operatorname{Hom}_R(\bigoplus_{i\in I}M_i,N)\cong\prod_{i\in I}\operatorname{Hom}_R(M_i,N)$ and $\operatorname{Hom}_R(M,\prod_{i\in I}N_i)\cong\prod_{i\in I}\operatorname{Hom}_R(M,N_i)$
 
@user193319 First year undergrad? Are you a tutor for it?
 
Yes. A tutor? As in, I have pupils?
Lol no.
 
Oh, I checked your profile before for context about what you know, and you were doing first year algebra stuff over 4 years ago, so I assumed
By tutor I meant TA btw
Wait now I'm confused
You were studying intensely for the GRE in 2017, and worried you were losing time for grad subject prep, but you're a first year math undergrad? (and you say you're an undergraduate then, meaning in 2017)
 
9:14 PM
No, I'm not a first year undergrad; I think our words got crossed somehow.
 
> this is a basic algebra II course.
> What year?
> First year
> First year undergraduate?
> Yes
 
I have a puzzle
 
I do too
Understand the above dialogue
lol
Hit me with it
 
Let $f : \Bbb Z^2 \to \Bbb R$ be a discrete harmonic function, that is average $f$ on neighbors of a vertex is the value of $f$ at the vertex. If $f$ is positive, then $f$ must be constant.
 
What is a discrete harmonic function?
 
9:17 PM
I defined it
 
Oh sorry, I thought you were adding a condition to f
 
f can't have a minimum
well, if it has a minimum, it has to be constant
 
so, symbolically, you mean $f(x,y)=\frac{1}{4}(f(x+1,y)+f(x-1,y)+f(x,y+1)+f(x,y-1))$?
 
Yes that is what I mean, symbolically :P
 
It also can't have a maximum, for the same reason
 
9:18 PM
positive is strictly positive?
 
Correct.
Anyway, this isn't my puzzle. I know a proof of the result.
 
so is this a trick question and the result is actually highly non-trivial or is it worth trying to think about this
 
Here's the real puzzle. I wanted a proof along the following lines: Scale the ambient by $1/n$ to get a positive harmonic function on $(1/n \cdot \Bbb Z)^2$, and take $n \to \infty$. Then the ambient medium Gromov-Hausdorff converges to $\Bbb R^2$, and you get a positive harmonic function on $\Bbb R^2$.
There is no such nonconstant function so we are done.
But I think you need additional hypothesis on $f$ to do stuff like this
Here's one way to write it precisely, perhaps. Define $f_n : (1/n \cdot \Bbb Z)^2 \to \Bbb R$, $f_n(\alpha) = f(n \alpha)/n$.
Then in "the limit" we get a function $g : \Bbb Q^2 \to \Bbb R$, which is just $f_n$ restricted to $(1/n \cdot \Bbb Z)^2$
 
Hey guys!
 
Extend by continuity to $\Bbb R^2$
 
9:23 PM
Hi Steve
 
I need a help for the kkt condition. Is there anyone who can help me?
 
I don't know what that is, so not me
 
The Karush-Kuhn-Tucker
 
It seems the point is this $g$ is not necessarily continuous on $\Bbb Q^2$. It is clearly scale-invariant, $g(c x) = c g(x)$ for $c \in \Bbb Q$, by construct.
 
@BalarkaSen What's an example f which isn't constant
 
9:25 PM
That's the theorem. It is always constant
 
I mean assuming f isn't necessarily positive
 
$f(x, y) = x$...?
 
?
That doesn't work?
 
Yes of course it does
 
x+1 + x-1+x+x = 4x
 
9:27 PM
Oh it does
kek
 
Too much category theory
@BalarkaSen So if you had angular control, you'd get continuity of $g$. Eg, suppose $f$ was a sublinear (in the dumb sense...) harmonic function on $\Bbb Z^2$, $|f(x)| = o(\|x\|)$.
 
@BalarkaSen more like not enough sleep :P
 
And the rest of the argument would just go through. $g$ would be continuous and would satisfy the "continuous" mean value property on $\Bbb R^2$
What is the optimal condition on $f$ for this argument to work?
 
Can you not do it by looking at the $L^\infty$ balls on $\Bbb Z^2$
 
How?
I don't think there's an easy proof. It follows from martingale convergence theorem
 
9:31 PM
I'm not sure, but I think if you have a minimum inside the ball, then the function has to be constant in the ball. If you have a minimum on the edge, then you have to have an element that i lower than m-e where m is the minimum, and m+e is the minimum inside the ball
If the minimum is in a corner however
 
Yeah, that's what.
Maybe there's some awful optimization proof. I am not sure
 
well if the minimum is in the corner you can actually apply the same thing with m+e being the minimum inside the ball or on the edge
 
Wait, so if $F$ is a free $R$-module, where $R$ is commutative, then $Hom_{R}(F,F)$ really is a free module?
Hmm...I'm having trouble proving it...
 
So you're never bounded from bellow
I must be missing something
 
@Astyx: Balarka is never bounded from bellow — he yells louder and louder.
2
 
9:34 PM
Wouldn't that be bounded from above ?
 
@Astyx Wait, minimum of what on the ball
The function restriction to the ball of course has a minimum somewhere
And there's no contradiction there
What is the proof
I don't understand it
 
@Astyx: That wouldn't work with bellow ...
 
if the minimum is inside the ball (ie all its neighbours are in the ball) you get m = a+b+c+d, which leads to a==b=c=d=m, and propagates so that the function is constant in the entire ball except the corners
 
Anyway, I don't think it's an easy theorem. But perhaps my Gromov-Hausdorff approach can be tweaked somehow...
 
@user193319 you can think of maps between free modules as matrices
 
9:37 PM
@Astyx You have proved the function has no local minimum. So?
 
if the minimum in on the edge, , m is the sum of three in the ball and one out of the ball, meaning the one out of the ball has to compensate for the one inside the ball (not on the edge), otherwise you have a local minimum
@TedShifrin my bad :p
 
Why is f constant?
I don't get it
I just see statements about minimums
 
We agree a local minimum propagates and causes the function to be constant ?
 
Of course harmonic function has no local minimum
This is no mystery. Follows from the averaging property as you said
 
Ok, so if you call $m_n$ the minimum of the function on the ball of radius $n$
I'm trying to prove that $m_n-m_{n+1}$ is increasing
 
9:41 PM
@BalarkaSen interior ?
 
You get $\{m_n\}$ is a decreasing sequence of positive numbers. Which is not contradiction
@TedShifrin Yeah, for context, my guy is a harmonic function on $\Bbb Z^2$.
 
Oh, so you're doing the discrete Laplacian. Average over the link.
 
Right
 
I shouldn't interrupt :D
 
No feel free! I asked a question which nobody seems interested about.
 
9:44 PM
I'm interested, just working on something else :P
 
I'll draw something
 
There's no easy proof man
Im telling you
 
Not with that attitude :P
 
Is NeverEnough one of our familiar denizens or a newbie?
 
I'm new
 
9:47 PM
Welcome :)
 
Here's the only proof I know: Let $X_n$ be a random walk on $\Bbb Z^2$, let $Y_n = f(X_n)$. This is a martingale (check, by harmonicity of $f$). By martingale convergence theorem (hard!!), $Y_n$ converges and is independent of the initial condition, and the converging value is $f$. So it is constant.
 
Thank you!
 
I don't know none of this Martingale stuff, a @Balarka.
 
Yeah that's why I just omitted the proof initially
I have a simpler idea which I think is worth trying
 
I have played around with discrete laplacians because one of my former colleagues used me as his "research collaborator."
 
9:48 PM
So, I'm trying to show an inequality and I'm getting bogged down in the details
It is this: $$\sup\Bigg\{\sqrt{\int_a^b\big\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)f(y)dy\big\vert^2dx}:\|f(y)\|\leq 1\Bigg\}\leq\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert k(x,y)\big\vert^2dxdy}$$
 
As long as it's not measure theory, @Rithaniel, we might be interested :D
 
Also, hey Ted
 
I think there's general theory surrounding harmonic functions on groups which I know nothing about
 
Hey, @Rithaniel. This looks like usual Cauchy-Schwarz/Hölder, @Rithaniel.
Oh, not quite.
 
Yeah, but I keep getting 4-th powers with Cauchy-Schwarz
 
9:50 PM
It might be true that sufficiently slowly growing positive harmonic functions are all constant on (virtually) nilpotent groups, for example. If my proof idea works one could try this here.
 
It might be that I'm setting up the problem incorrectly, though
 
@Balarka: You're completely over my head now. glug glug glug
 
The true goal is to show that the operator $$Tf(x)=\int_a^bk(x,y)f(y)dy$$ is bounded, and to show that the upper bound is that RHS up above
 
What norm on $f$ there, @Rithaniel?
Is this in $L^2$?
 
$$\|f(x)\|=\sqrt{\int_a^b\vert f(x)\vert^2dx}$$
In $C[a,b]$, if that is $L^2$, then yeah
 
9:53 PM
Yeah, that's the $L^2$ norm.
 
Okay, I will add that to my terminology banks
 
You haven't taken grad real analysis yet?
 
Well, I'm taking Linear analysis right now, but we didn't refer to it as the $L^2$ norm. Just "the norm on $C[a,b]$"
 
That would ordinarily be the max norm ($L^\infty$).
 
I'll have to look up the definition of that
 
9:57 PM
Every continuous real-valued function on a compact space has a maximum.
 
K, found the definition. Just take the maximum value of the function and that is your norm
 
Well, absolute value, yeah.
 
Or the point with maximum modulus, rather
 
@user2103480 !
 
So, I'm working in $L^2$. Does it appear that I'm setting up the problem correctly?
 
9:59 PM
So I see now why you wrote down what you did.
 
@BalarkaSen stop it I'm trying to catch up with the stuff posted since yesterday!
Something something topoi
 
lmao
TOPOS
i have harmonic function questions for you
probability time
 
Although I don't like freyd so I don't like the freydian terminology. It's toposes
@BalarkaSen go on
 
yeah screw freyd
come to garbology there's too much clutter here
 
@EdwardEvans how the hell did you afford that
 
10:02 PM
I got paid way more money than I deserved and I spent it all on drugs and saved only enough to get me to Germany
...
 
the hippie thing to do
 
@Rithaniel: I may be being stupid, but I do think it's an easy application of C-S.
 
nah I could've saved soooo much money
 
does the product of countably many copies of R exist in the category of topological/smooth manifolds
I feel like it shouldn't, but I don't have an argument
 
@Rithaniel: You agree that $$\left|\int_a^b k(x,y)f(y)\,dy\right|^2 \le \int_a^b k(x,y)^2\,dy?$$
 
10:04 PM
Lol
this guy
someone help him
 
puts @Thor on ignore
 
please, this is a perfectly reasonable question to ask
 
(@Rithaniel: If $k$ is $\Bbb C$-valued, then put modulus in there.)
 
Alright, I believe you (I have something similar to what you wrote. What I'm attempting is this): $$\sqrt{\int_a^b\big\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)f(y)dy\big\vert^2dx}\leq\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert k(x,y)f(y)\big\vert^2dxdy}\leq\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert k(x,y)\big\vert^2dxdy}\sqrt{\int_a^b\int_a^b\big\vert f(y)\big\vert^2dxdy}$$
 
AGH
 
10:05 PM
Sorry
I forget not everyone has super-wide monitors
 
@EdwardEvans yuuuup. I feel bad when I spend more than 80 euro a month on the stuff and that's not even close. Would've thought you grew it yourself or smth
 
(maybe that's better)
 
Forget the damn square roots until the very end.
 
And it doesnt help with math but may make learning more beaeable, especially in lockdown time where it's only one room
 
10:07 PM
@user2103480 my guuuy was my best mate's brother and we all lived in the same house lol
 
Anyhow, from what I typed (where I used $\|f\|\le 1$), you then integrate $\int_a^b dx$.
 
Ah, I see what you did
 
Ah lol wild
 
@BalarkaSen wtf does that mean lol
 
and my recklessness meant I did no mathematics for a year and just spent all my money and then I moved to Heidelberg and had a course on L-functions from day one and just.. quit it after like 2 lectures 'cause I had no idea what was going on hahaha
 
10:12 PM
@NeverEnough That's another room that Balarka and others in this room use for certain technical discussions :)
 
Oh okay, that makes sense
 
Except I just learned Balarka changed the name of the room :D
@Rithaniel: You got it?
 
I think so. So, can I just state $$\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)f(y)dy\vert^2\leq\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)dy\vert^2$$ by virtue of $\|f(y)\|\leq 1$?
Or should an intermediary step be included to show why that's the case?
 
That is C-S.
Yeah, best to include.
Things with the $C^0$ or $L^\infty$ norm would be totally obvious, but that's a slightly different inequality.
 
But wait, wouldn't C-S be $$\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)f(y)dy\vert^2\leq\vert\int_a^bk(x,y)dy\vert^4$$
Because the LHS is $\vert\langle k(x,y),f(y)\rangle\vert^2$?
 
10:21 PM
No. No.
 
Ah, wait
Just looked up the definition of C-S again
Now I feel a little silly
 
LOL. Good :)
 
Not enough practice with this stuff. My fourth powers holding me up for hours when they never existed in the first place
 
I wondered about that.
If it helps, it's just the dot product inequality you're used to from multivariable calc and beginning linear algebra.
 
@Clarinetist i think my ill-formed question caused a little misunderstanding. let me rephrase it: let $\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = L$ with $a,L\in\mathbb{R}$ then i'm wondering if i can always show it with squeeze theorem? that is to construct two functions $g,h$ such that $\forall x\in\mathbb{R}, g(x)\leq f(x)\leq h(x)$
 
10:26 PM
The $\delta$-$\epsilon$ definition of limit can be rewritten as a squeeze, @sevdaicmis, so I suppose the answer is yes.
But I wasn't here for your context.
 
@TedShifrin that's also what my intuition says. and eventually, i want to use more the squeeze theorem, just for the sake of its beauty in my regard. i've found exercices in the website brilliant, and solved nearly all of them. do you have an exercise to apply squeeze theorem, for me, sir?
 
You've done the standard ones, I assume, like $(\sin x)/x$ and $x^k\sin(1/x^\ell)$?
 
no to the second. i presume it's some kind of a generalization
could you specify $k$ and $l$?
 
Pick any integers you want.
 
and in that $x\to\infty$, right?
 
10:39 PM
No, I mean $x\to 0$.
 
@EdwardEvans glad you made it to a healthier lifestyle! I'll sleep now, bye bye
 
@user2103480 thanks mah mayn
good night
 
@TedShifrin $k$ should be positive, though, right? if not $\lim_{x\to 0}\sin (1/x)/x$ doesn't exist.
as an example
 
Yes, I meant positive integers in both.
 
10:54 PM
oh, ok. then $-1\leq \sin(1/x^l)\leq 1$ and $x^k\leq x^k\sin(1/x^l)\leq x^k$. and $\lim_{x\to 0}x^k=\lim_{x\to 0}-x^k=0$. thus the original limit is $0$.
(oh it's $\ell$ :) not $l$)
 
I feel silly, but is there an easy reason for $\mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}}$ not being a manifold? It comes down to saying that $\mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}}$ doesn't embed in $\mathbb{R}^n$ for any $n$, which is definitely true, but I don't know if it's easy.
 
then yeah, i would say i've done the standard ones @TedShifrin
 
@Thorgott: It's not second-countable, which is part of my definition of a manifold.
 
(a little typo in the second inequality: it's $-x^k$ in the leftmost side, not $x^k$)
 
In things like this, it's best to do squeeze with the absolute value and just do $0\le |f(x)|\le h(x)$.
 
10:57 PM
countable product of second-countable spaces is second-countable, no?
 
Hmm, so then it's obviously not locally Euclidean.
If you're going to talk infinite-dimensional manifolds, I suppose that's a harder discussion.
 
I'm not seeing why it's obviously not locally Euclidean, is the issue
 
What finite dimension could it have?
 
@TedShifrin hmm, yes. and if the limit exists for $|f(x)|$ then it does for $f(x)$. yes it's quicker
 
You can locally put in arbitrarily high-dimensional copies of $\Bbb R$, no?
 

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