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6:01 PM
Ben Chow writes $M\to R^n$ and then the image is $\mathcal M$
 
OK, one can introduce whatever notation one wants to.
 
but I'm using $\mathcal M$ already
idk, this is hard
 
$\mathfrak{M}$
 
oh no not mathfrak
 
smacks Semiclassic
 
6:02 PM
lol
yeah, i wouldn't do that either
 
$\mathcal M$ is the spacetime already
 
Just introduce your notation and define it, like Ben Chow does, @Ryan. This is not the end of the world.
 
so maybe I write $\mathcal M=\{\mathcal M_t\}_{t\in I}$
 
I personally would write $\iota\colon M\to\Bbb R^n$ and say $\mathcal M = \iota(M)$.
 
and then the images are $M=\{M_t\}_{t\in I}$
 
6:03 PM
$\mathscr M$
 
Ah but $\mathcal M$ is fancier and so should be the abstract manifold
 
I like the different script fonts in TeX, @Mathein.
 
mathscr is indeed nice
but I don't think it jives with computer modern
the lines are too thin
 
I would probably write $\bar M$ unless there's some reason I need closure in the discussion.
 
closure is very important for me
 
6:04 PM
Yeah, and I think the classification of such forms is still a research topic? (or at the very least difficult)
 
I am working with proper immersions so I need totake closure all the time
 
I personally don't like CMR anyhow. I typeset my last three books in New Times Roman.
OK, then use whatever notation. Geez.
@Thorgott: That's a hard algebra question. There's no analysis/calculus in there.
 
Ecker uses $\mathcal M=\{M_t\}$ for both the abstract manifold and its image
I don't have the guts to do that
 
I mean, cubic forms can't have local minima, obviously, unless they're dead 0. So if you end up with a nontrivial cubic, it's a saddle point. When you get to quartic forms, I don't know any theory. @Thorgott
 
$\mathfrak M_t$
 
6:06 PM
That reminds me of deformation theory.
 
$\mathfrak M$ is a moduli space or space of metrics
 
OK ... fine.
But the subscript should represent the fiber over $t$ in your parameter space.
 
yes
 
OK.
 
it's just the constant time t slice
 
6:07 PM
It sounds difficult. Maybe I'll reconsider the question once I know more algebra.
 
I know more algebra than you, @Thorgott, and I have no clue.
 
lol
 
You might do some googling of something like classification of cubic or quartic forms.
 
maybe working with immersions is just small brain math
embeddings is where it's at
 
there was a silly question in a diff geo exam that a lot of people got wrong: $\Bbb Q \subset \Bbb R$ is an immersed zero-dimensional manifold
 
6:16 PM
Blech.
 
yeah, quite an unsatisfying example of an injective immersion that is not an embedding
 
I guess the map $\Bbb N\to\Bbb Q\subset\Bbb R$ is continuous.
I have never thought about this, and I don't intend to now.
 
yeah, is it just N in disguise
Q itself is not a manifold
 
I get that :P
 
6:19 PM
N -> Q being continuous is really stupid haha
 
any map from a discrete space is continuous
 
yes
it's hard to picture N as a discrete space
 
It is what?
 
because you're also thinking about the spaces between the points
 
Huh?
I love it when people tell me what I'm thinking :D
 
6:22 PM
you = me
 
We thank @Mathein for leading us into this gorse thicket.
 
It was my pleasure
 
now prove pi_1 S^1 = Z using etale cohomology
that's a very slick proof
good for intuition
 
I think it's lunchtime for me.
 
lol
 
6:23 PM
I did that, for trolling
enjoy your lunch @Ted
 
Well, it's not quite time, but I may go early.
 
haha I just realized Ecker actually talks about embedded
but I'm pretty sure it all works for immersed
or so I hope
ok but Ecker-Huisken write $M_t=F(M,t)$
but my $M$ itself is varying
how awful
 
7:14 PM
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Q: Pairwise Commuting Elements Generating a Certain Subalgebra

user193319Let $\mathcal{A}$ be some complex algebra (i.e., algebra over the complex numbers), and let $a_1,...,a_n \in \mathcal{A}$ be pairwise commuting elements (i.e., $a_i a_j = a_j a_i$ for all $i,j=1,...,n$). Call a subalgebra $\mathcal{B}$ inversion closed if $x \in \mathcal{B}$ and $x$ is invertible...

If $\mathcal{A}$ were a Banach algebra, would that simplify the problem in anyway?
 
7:40 PM
@user193319 do it in two steps: first show that the subalgebra generated by commuting elements is commutative, then show that the smallest inversion-closed algebra containing a given commutative subalgebra is commutative
for the second step, you can describe the elements explicitly: if $R$ is a commutative subalgebra, then the "inversion-closure" of $R$ by $\{x^{-1} y \mid x,y \in R, \text{ $x$ is invertible}\}$ (which is just a localization, basically)
for the first step, all elements are polynomials in the generators
Note that if $x$ and $y$ commute and $x$ is invertible, then $xy=yx$ implies $yx^{-1}=x^{-1}y$ by multiplying with $x^{-1}$ from both sides
 
8:08 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos Okay. I'll give that a try. Thanks!
 
8:39 PM
If I have an operator $S$ on a Banach space $X$ such that $X = R(S) \oplus F$ for some subspace $F \subseteq X$, and $\dim X/R(S) = \beta < \infty$, why does it follow that $\dim F = \beta$?
Rudin makes this claim in his proof of theorem 4.25 of his FA book, but I don't see why it's true.
 
9:01 PM
Because $X/R(S)$ is isomorphic to $F$?
 
Oh, yeah...
Whoops, thanks!
 
9:14 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti T/F: the open sets in any given topology form a complete lattice under the subset relation
 
With which operations?
I'll guess false since one usually takes regular open subsets though
 
Is there an advanced mathematician works as a freelancer? I need someone strong in nonlinear control systems
 
(even in the case of regular open subsets you can't just take $\cap$ as meet and $\cup$ as join though)
 
so I'm asking whether there are meets and joins
(you can show that there can be at most one under any partial order)
 
I think taking $\cup$ as the join and the interior of the intersection as the meet should work
 
9:29 PM
indeed
and it's because "interior" is a left adjoint
 
I wonder why we often take regular open sets
Given a poset $\Bbb P$ make into a topological space by saying that $\{q\mid q\leq p\}$ is a basis, as $p$ varies in $\Bbb P$
 
@AlessandroCodenotti I had a fever dream in which you asked me about semigroups
is that correct
 
Then we take the lattice $\mathrm{ro}(\Bbb P)$ of regular open sets of $\Bbb P$ with join the intersection and meet the interior of the closure of the union
(negation is the interior of the complement)
And the map $\Bbb P\to\mathrm{ro}(\Bbb P)\setminus\varnothing$, $p\mapsto\mathrm{int}(\mathrm{cl}(\{q\mid q\leq p\}))$ is a dense embedding of posets
Is it still dense if we take the boolean algebra of open sets instead?
@RyanUnger It is, but it is for an analysis course
Should be something along these lines
 
@AlessandroCodenotti the thing you'll study is like $dx/dt=Ax$, where $x=x(t)$ is a curve in a Banach space
and $A$ is a linear operator
(removed)
 
lol
@RyanUnger Uh seems cool
I just hope that I can survive if I know functional analysis and no kind of ODE/PDE whatsoever
 
9:36 PM
the motivation is PDE
but it's a very functional analytic formulation
as an infinite-dimensional ODE
 
Well I know a little tiny bit about PDEs
 
@AlessandroCodenotti what is a regular open set?
 
An open set which is equal to the interior of its closure
 
I've never heard of that
 
it's very important
 
9:37 PM
The professor did the same course in Hannover last year as well, she wrote that knowing differential equations is helpful but not needed
@LeakyNun They come up in (descriptive) set theory
 
I would think it's boring without having PDEs in mind
then again most analysis should be boring without PDEs in mind...
 
The embedding construction I mentioned above is important when reformulating forcing in terms of boolean algebras and boolean valued models from the formulation in terms of posets
 
I see
 
@RyanUnger I know the big examples of PDEs, I took an undergrad course in mathematical physics that had a semester on PDEs, but the approach was very classical since nobody had taken functional analysis at that point
Green's functions, maximum principles, stuff on harmonic functions and so on
 
pure functional analysis seems even more boring than number theory to me
@AlessandroCodenotti good
 
9:40 PM
I like it tbh
 
you're a logician
:P
 
point taken
Functional analysis and measure theory are the only kind of analysis I like
 
I like number theory btw
 
The algebraic part is cool
Anyway I have to leave now
Bye everyone
 
@LeakyNun lots of people like number theory
 
9:48 PM
Operator algebras is the best part of analysis, IMHO.
 
analysis is a tool to me
I haven't found a good use for operator algebras yet
 
Operator algebras is where cutting edge fundamental physics is happening. Look up Connes' Embedding Conjecture (CEC) in the theory of von Neumann Algebras and Tsireslon's problem about quantum correlation functions and entanglement. CEC is astonishingly equivalent to Tsirelson's problem.
 
yeah I don't work with cutting edge fundamental physics
classical physics for me
 
I actually attended a talk recently that had operator algebras and quantum physics in it, though I didn't understand much of it
 
Keep trying to learn about it. It's amazing!
The theory of von Neumann algebras (vNAs) is basically noncommutative measure, subfactor theory in vNAs is noncommutative galois theory, and $C^*$-algebras is noncommutative topology---really cool stuff!
vNAs also have connections with knot theory---through the Jones' polynomial.
Also, operator algebras turns out to be the right framework in which to do continuous logic--although I am not too familiar with the details of this.
 
10:15 PM
Let $f:\mathbb R^2\mapsto\mathbb{R}$ and $(r,\varphi)$ polar coordinates defined using following relations:
$r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ $x=rcos(\varphi)$ $y=rsin(\varphi)$.
If $h(r,\varphi)=f(rcos(\varphi),rsin(\varphi))$ then:
Generally , this makes sense to me
But I'm confused with the usage of arguments and functions here
Shouldn't we stick with $r$ and $\varphi$ as arguments only ? If we did, then what would partial derivative of f over x mean ?
Isn't x a function then ?
I would appreciate any help
partial derivative of f over x would mean with respect to x btw
Are equations on the picture mathematically correctly written would be my first question
 
11:19 PM
@Kenkar $f$ starts out as a function of $(x,y)$. By composing with the given functions, you end up with $h(r,\varphi) = f(x(r,\varphi),y(r,\varphi))$. So one must differentiate $f$ with respect to $x$ and $y$, since those are the only variables $f$ recognizes.
This is the same as the standard chain rule in one variable, but people abuse it with Leibniz notation: If you start with $f(x)$ and $x=g(t)$, then you get $h(t) = f(g(t))$ and $h'(t) = f'(g(t))g'(t)$, or $\dfrac{dh}{dt} = \dfrac{df}{dx}(g(t))\cdot \dfrac{dg}{dt}$.
 
HEY TED
 
11:39 PM
Hi @anakhro
 
In the homestretch for my thesis
Then I can talk to you full time.
day and night
You will wish I were doing my Ph.D.
So I would stop talking
 
LOL, you're right :)
 
11:53 PM
@anakhro is this an undergrad thesis?
 
Masters.
tfw your questions are so newbie, mr. unger thinks u don't even have an undergrad degree
 
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