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7:03 PM
hello
Does anyone use scilab?
 
For some compact banach space $V$, is there any polynomials dense in $C(V,\mathbb R)$?
 
@geocalc33 Are you asking if $f\in L^p\iff1-f\in L^p$?
 
@quallenjäger Do you mean whether the set of polynomial maps is dense?
 
Don't I need first to specify the form of the polynomial?
@TobiasKildetoft Which polynomial map is dense?
 
@quallenjäger I was just trying to figure out precisely what you meant
no single polynomial map is dense
(the space does not have a generic point)
 
7:10 PM
@TobiasKildetoft What do you mean by a generic point?
 
@quallenjäger a point which is dense
 
Wouldn't it contradict the stone-weierstrass theorem?
 
wouldn't what contradict that?
 
Stone-weierstrass theorem guarantees the existence of some dense set.
 
right, but why would that set be a singleton?
(also, since the space is dense in itself, it probably guarantees something better)
 
7:13 PM
What goes wrong with polynomials like $p(x)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n\psi_n(x,x...,x)$, where $\psi_n$ is a n-multilinear map?
@TobiasKildetoft Sorry, I correct myself. I meant a set of polynomial maps.
Is the set of polynomials in this form dense in $C(V,\Bbb R^n)$
 
no idea
 
@robjohn
does that arrow mean bijection?
or equivalence
 
@TobiasKildetoft Thanks, maybe let me try it on this way. For the real version of Stone-weierstrass theorem, we claim that the set of all polynomials a subalgebra of $C([0,T],\mathbb R)$. Do we mean the set of convergent polynomials?
 
@quallenjäger What do you mean convergent?
 
Polynomials has form $p=\sum_{n=1}^\infty a_nx^n$right?
 
7:28 PM
no
those are power series
 
Ok, maybe this is my misunderstanding, what is a polynomial then?
 
a finite such sum
 
Zee
Catagory theory is so useless...
 
@TobiasKildetoft Thank you.
 
@Zee Sure, because no progress has ever come from that...
 
Zee
7:32 PM
It never says anything non-trivial
 
@Zee Ahh, that explains those results that it was used for. People had just not spotted that they were trivial before.
 
Zee
Can you aware me of one ?
 
I mainly know of ones from representation theory
The Alperin weight conjecture for Symmetric groups is one example
The proof of Soergel's conjectures and the newly found character formulae for tilting modules
The classification of parabolic projective functors in type $A$
 
Language makes making sense of sound waves we utter trivial, we still use and like language though
 
Zee
@TobiasKildetoft I don’t really know about these topics , am more of a geometry guy but my point isn’t that we should not use it , am sure it comes in handy , but not to treat it as the holy grail like some fanatics today do , just talking about functions all day without any relation to concrete things like manifolds or rings
 
7:42 PM
Does anyone here know about the rate of convergence of continued fractions? In particular, is it guaranteed to be linear (for quadratic irrationals, at least)?
 
@Zee Can you give an example say with (smooth?) manifolds where category theory is used instead of more elementary techniques? (Just asking because I'm interested and haven't come across it being used that way)
 
Zee
Will I was saying that the opposite is what happens but you can look at “natural operations in differential geometry” for example
I suppose “global calculus” may qualify too if you consider sheafs as catagory theory
 
Oh well, I don't know anything about sheaves
Hey @AlessandroCodenotti
 
Do you know how to prove $I^2/\partial I^2$ is homeomorphic to $\mathbb{S}^2$ by any chance?
 
7:52 PM
With a picture
 
Is the following true? $ f\in L^p\iff1-f\in L^p $
 
do you sometimes just feel like you don't wanna do any maths
 
Zee
No
 
when you feel that way it's best to rest until you feel more refreshed
 
7:57 PM
Yeah every now and then
It's normal to feel like that
 
I know that works for me
 
@geocalc33 No
 
Zee
@Perturbative I can’t read Latex , what was your question?
 
$f=1$ isn't in $L^p(\Bbb R)$ for any $p\neq\infty$, but $1-f$ is all of them
Might work with finite measure spaces maybe? Dunno
 
@AlessandroCodenotti per te c'e tempo che non vuoi fare niente matematica?
rubbish italian i know
 
8:01 PM
That's when I watch movies
 
i see
 
8:13 PM
@geocalc33 Since the statements on either side are true or false, that would be an equivalence.
@Zee have you installed ChatJax? That will render the LaTeX for you
 
is there measure that collects all the function spaces that are in L^p space and makes the entire L^p space complete in that it is infinitely dense or something
like all of them, or is that just not very useful
 
@geocalc33 if the measure space is infinite, the equivalence is true only if both sides are false. If both sides were true, then $1\in L^p$ would imply the measure space is finite.
 
@robjohn I'm just talking about the left hand side not the 1-f part
 
@geocalc33 not sure what you mean.
 
@robjohn can you take $L^p$ space in the unit square and use a Real measure to complete it such that the distance between each curve in lp space is 0?
such that the space becomes very dense
oftentimes we work with Hilbert space or the case at infinity, but would it be useful to sort of collect all of them in a dense set
 
8:29 PM
@geocalc33 How are you defining a curve? some $\gamma:[0,1]\to L^p\left([0,1]^2\right)$?
 
i know it's unclear how that would be helpful but I'm just wondering
@robjohn I'm defining a curve based on the super ellipse equation
 
@geocalc33 what equation is that?
 
$|x|^s+|y|^s=1 $
for $s\in \Bbb R$
and I'm using the infinite collection of all these functions
 
I am not sure how you are using the superellipse.
Are you asking whether these as a function of $x$ are in $L^p$?
 
maybe I don
understand
 
8:33 PM
@geocalc33 I am not really clear on what you are asking.
 
I was under the impression that these functions are all in $L^p$
anyway, the equation for the superellipse gives illustrations of unit circles in different p-norms, that's all I understand right now I can't think
 
@Zee Showing that the quotient of a square by its boundary is homeomorphic to a sphere
I actually think I have a way of doing it, I just have to work out some hairy details and I got stuck on one of them
I posted a link to the question I asked on main earlier (just scroll up and you'll find it), where I tried to solve it and just needed to verify continuity for the function that was going to be the homeomorphism
 
@robjohn Asaf is joining you as a mod :-)
 
8:52 PM
hi @robjohn
 
Hi @TedShifrin :)
 
well, it seems the two people I voted for won ... wish I could say that in real-life politics.
hi @Perturb
 
@Ted If you have some time could you take a look at this question?math.stackexchange.com/questions/2882584/…
 
@Perturb: As a warm-up, can you do it in one dimension?
 
Yeah, real-life politics is... too surreal :-) @TedShifrin
 
8:59 PM
@TedShifrin Let me give it a try
 
Hi, demonic @Alessandro
So sad about the collapse of the A10 outside Genoa :(
I was on that bridge a bit over a year ago ....
 
I also heard about it in the news, very sad
 
BTW, @Perturb, rather than working with the entire topology, it's almost always preferable to work with convenient basis elements.
 
For the topology on the one-pt compactification (in this case) what would the basis elements look like?
Okay I got the one-dimensional case
 
9:07 PM
If you got the $1$-dimensional case, the identical argument should work in any dimension.
 
So if we view $S^1 \subseteq \mathbb{C}$, then we can define $f : I / \partial I \to S^1$ by $f([t]) = e^{2\pi i t}$, then $f$ is bijective and continuous and by the closed map lemma a homeomorphism
 
I would take $\epsilon$-balls in the interior and $\epsilon$-balls centered at $\infty$ [thinking in the $S^2$ picture].
 
How can I see mathjax in the chatrooms?
 
Wait, how did you check continuity? @Perturb
see the LaTeX in chat link on the right up top, @Holo
 
@TedShifrin Thanks, didn't notice it before
 
9:10 PM
I didn't actually verify continuity before I posted that, let me check it now
 
Think about doing it in a way that you can generalize. So better not to use that formula for $f$ ... Think about the way you did it in your post.
 
@TedShifrin For the $S^2$ picture I thought about doing the same thing you said, but open sets around $\infty$ were hard to characterize in a nice way (if I recall correctly from my post)
 
That's why I'm suggesting you think about $\epsilon$ balls around $\infty$.
Maybe it would be easier to use $D^2$ rather than $I^2$. Then you'd have stuff outside a ball centered at the origin. You can do something corresponding in $I^2$.
 
Ohhh that's what you meant by basis elements....
Now I see
Actually using $D^2$ gave me an idea...
 
Yes?
 
9:22 PM
@TedShifrin Here's another way to prove it. There's this theorem that states the following "If $A \subseteq \mathbb{R}^n$ is a compact convex subset with nonempty inteorior, then $A \cong D^n$" So using this we obtain $I^n \cong D^n$ and since $D^n /\partial D^n \cong S^n$ it follows that $I^n / \partial I^n \cong S^n$
That's written quite sloppily though so I hope it makes sense
 
Yeah, I wouldn't want to quote such a theorem. You can prove it directly for the open square. [Do 1/4 of it.] But most people won't even bother by the time you get to algebraic topology exercises.
 
Done with the general GRE finally
 
Congrats! @Daminark
@TedShifrin Out of curiosity why wouldn't you want to quote such a theorem
To be honest I felt kinda sad that it had such a simple way to be proven in the end
 
Actually, a stronger theorem is true, @Perturb — star-shaped will do it — and in fact you get diffeomorphic rather than homeomorphic. But that's hard!! I just want to make sure you see how to do it for the square and disk. But you should, in general, just say these things are homeomorphic, as you proceed in mathematics, rather than checking it every time.
Yippee, Demonark. Did you learn a word or two?
Have they made the math part more advanced for science types, as they threatened to?
There was some talk a few years ago about actually going up through calculus in the general math exam for science types taking it; I hoped they'd ease up on the verbal a bit when they did that.
 
They didn't really, most algebra and basic data stuff. There were some more Euclidean geometry questions than I anticipated
 
9:32 PM
Thanks for the advice @TedShifrin, I appreciate it!
 
Oh, so it's the same as it used to be, Demonark.
 
There was one problem having to do with geometry which took me embarrassingly long because I forgot the business about sum of interior angles of a polygon
 
Oh, I only remember that by thinking about exterior angles :)
Or by splitting the thing into triangles.
 
That cost a few points because I ran out of time, and the verbal had a few words which threw me off but on the whole I had a good enough score on each by the looks of it that no retake is needed
 
Good.
 
9:37 PM
@user2236 yeah, I noticed.
@TedShifrin hey, ted.
 
Now gotta do the subject test :/
 
Be prepared for time to be a real issue there.
 
Oof, yeah
Well, anything fun going on for you?
 
@OskarTegby where are you from?
@TedShifrin is it generally impossible to solve a system of infinite equations
 
@geocalc I currently live in Uppsala, Sweden. I was born in Västervik, which is in the south of Sweden, but raised in Skellefteå, which is in the north of Sweden.
 
10:21 PM
Does Lagrange's theorem say anything about the number of subgroups of order $n$?
Say Lagrange's tells you that any subgroup of your group must have orders $p$ and $q$. Does it say or is there a theorem that tells me the number of possible such subgroups?
 
It shouldn't, different groups of the same order have different numbers of subgroups of a given order
 
 
1 hour later…
11:44 PM
@Nebulae That's more along the lines of a converse to Lagrange's Theorem. In this direction, one finds the Sylow Theorems, which inform you about the existence and to an extent the number of subgroups of certain orders.
 
cambridge part iii isn't offering functional analysis this year :(
 
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