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12:00 AM
My sister didn't appreciate all the math I tried to instill in her ... plus, if you make it so he's totally bored in school, that doesn't help. I dunno.
 
Teach him the geodesic the flow
 
Dang it, you're right.
 
"geodesic the flow"
Yeah I'd definitely teach someone that
Especially a 2 year old
 
Ted, do you still study new math in your free time?
 
Not really, @CaptainAmerica. I am finding that working out stuff I used to know in my sleep to answer questions on main takes more time than I expect ...
 
12:04 AM
Teach him everything you know
in terms of mathematics
 
@TedShifrin I guess I don't find that very surprising. It seems like you know everything people ask about on here.
 
Nah, @CaptainAmerica.
 
@Ultradark I'll have to tread carefully.
I've been thinking about career stuff a lot lately. My guidance counselor just sent me a list of like 6 colleges to check out.
 
You're a sophomore or a junior?
 
12:09 AM
So neither
 
OK, then you should be researching now. Yup.
smacks Balarka
 
Captain America do you hope to be a maths researcher one day
 
Yes
I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to work my way around general expectations of my family.
 
@CaptainAmerica: I'll be happy to discuss this a little bit when you are doing your research. You should think seriously about whether you want smaller college or larger university. Very different experiences.
You can mollify them by doing some computer science (minor, maybe), which I would recommend even if you want to do pure math research.
 
12:12 AM
@TedShifrin I'd appreciate that. It's been a lot. I can't think of any other option other than double majoring. I'm focusing on colleges that allow that.
or minoring like you said
 
Everyone allows that, as far as I know.
 
Oh, nice.
 
But it's worth checking to be sure.
 
He who double majors will halve his profits
 
What does that mean?
 
12:18 AM
@Ted Btw, do note that as a bundle, $O(2) \to \text{Isom}(\Bbb R^2) \to \Bbb R^2$ is trivial. The twisting is happening at the group-level
In the sense that $BO(2) \to B\text{Isom}(\Bbb R^2) \to B\Bbb R^2$ is not trivial
 
Hmm, do I believe you?
 
$\Bbb R^2$ being the group of translations of $\Bbb R^2$. I know my notation sucks
Well, @Ted, the base is contractible
 
Oh, I see ... good point.
 
Hi hi.
 
I guess that's kind of fun, $\text{Isom}(\Bbb R^2)$ is diffeomorphic to $O(2) \times \Bbb R^2$ but not Lie group isomorphic to it
Passing curiosity, but ...
 
12:23 AM
There are other examples of that phenomenon, of course, but it's subtle. Like the decomposition of $GL(n) \cong R^{n(n+1)/2}\times O(n)$.
 
Yah fair point
 
12:39 AM
@TedShifrin I've been teaching someone galois theory
it has been quite an experience
 
That's ambiguous.
 
a joyful one
 
My sincerest RIP to your student
 
I was thinking that, Balarka.
 
:c
 
12:41 AM
ooo, rekt
 
Nah I'm sure Leaky Nun is being very concrete and non-abstract
 
Oh yeah, right.
 
He has taught the Galois action on the basechange scheme before Hopf-Galois towers I am certain
 
what is that?
 
tut tut
 
12:57 AM
Its time to get haircut - i just lost a penny in my hair
 
howdy @Dair
 
@TedShifrin Howdy
 
@CaptainAmerica: That's going to make an eyeroll of about $11+\pi/4$ eyes.
 
Finished holiday shopping?
 
I never do holiday shopping.
I'm almost a total grinch.
 
12:59 AM
Never do holiday shopping!?
Christmas is the most wonderful time of the year ;-;
 
I'm not a kid, @CaptainAmerica.
 
Oh. Nvm, I would generalize it to "Have you finished shopping?" but the answer is almost certainly no.
 
As a young adult, I'm not going to respond to that.
 
Almost a total grinch? I assume the part that isn't a grinch is the part where you don't actually change your mind?
 
Well, I may actually buy a present for one person this year. And I will take out my friend in Michigan for a fancy dinner for his Xmas/birthday present.
I'm not sure I followed that, @Rithaniel.
 
1:01 AM
Ted would never be a total Grinch, he's too nice.
 
do we like Zassenhaus lemma
 
Ie if you were 100% like the grinch, you'd change your mind at the end of the "story."
 
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...
 
Oh, that's presuming I know the story.
 
Toys in every store...
 
1:03 AM
Ah, yes, that is what I was presuming.
 
If only there were a spider lemma. Then there could be some pretty good Harry Potter jokes about follow the Spiders? Why can't we just use Zassenhaus' lemma?
 
I guess I don't know what time period that story became a commonly known one for kids.
 
It was published in 1957 lol.
 
Oh wow, just one year before I was born.
 
"Young adult" eh?
 
1:05 AM
Yep :D
 
@CaptainAmerica flunks arithmetic, too.
 
Stop Ted, you'll ruin the illusion.
I am kind of bad at arithmetic though. Every time I do the quadratic formula, I have to make like 3 attempts.
 
Just leave arithmetic to the computers.
 
What if I am one? >:
 
Then you wouldn't flunk arithmetic.
 
1:08 AM
Touche
 
I was about to say ...
 
...that CaptainAmerica is a genius.
 
It's been weeks since we've done math, @CaptainAmerica.
 
I've been doing math in my own time.
 
1:11 AM
You got some problems for me? :D
 
You haven't answered the last one I gave you.
 
The one with the thing.
I know which one you mean.
Hint?
 
Hint for which problem I'm referring to?
 
lmao
 
Balarka empathizes.
 
1:14 AM
Hint for the problem itself.
 
Maybe it was a problem in communication.
 
Hue, hue so funny
No hint?
 
I sorta gave you a hint.
 
Bigger hint?
Biggest hint you can give?
 
What was the last picture you drew?
 
1:16 AM
Picture? Which problem are you talking about?
Oh, the concavity.
 
I was about to roll lots of eyes.
 
I only have two eyes to roll.
 
@Jasper: My extra eyes are my main talent.
 
Ted has $11+\pi/4$ eyes.
It's a gift.
 
At least.
 
1:18 AM
@TedShifrin I see. You must be a potato. =)
 
@Balarka will report that I have had more.
 
Lol. Must be a teacher.
 
He has many more eyes
I think the mode was over 100
 
Hell no.
 
1:19 AM
Wait, are you saying there is another function that fits the criteria?
I assumed parabolas were it...
 
Of course parabolas are not "it."
 
How could two different parabolas intersect at infinitely many points?
 
May 15 '17 at 22:23, by Ted Shifrin
rolls infinitely many eyes ... but even I, as big as my blabbermouth is, would not give the Russians the most secret of intel secrets
Nevermind
 
LOL @Balarka
 
1:20 AM
Type out the criteria again. I can't find it.
 
Two convex functions whose graphs intersect at points where $x\in\Bbb Z$.
 
@BalarkaSen Looks like ocelot still can't chat for many more days.
 
True
 
What happened to him this time, Jasper?
 
He got banned
 
1:21 AM
Not that I miss him.
 
Oh, it happened long ago. Chat ban for a year.
 
For what?
 
I don't know. Maybe many small things combined.
 
He always gets into sticky situations with the mods
 
He hasn't begun to learn people skills.
 
1:22 AM
Who is the ocelot?
actually, lol nvm. I'm probably not supposed to know.
 
I want to know.
 
Back to convexity, @CaptainAmerica.
 
@Dair Well, some username. But usernames change all the time. Like nobody really knows who I am.
 
@TedShifrin Right.
 
Everyone knows who I iz.
 
1:24 AM
I have been impersonated before, as a friendly joke.
 
hi chat
 
Howdy @JoeShmo.
 
haven't seen you in a while ted, how are things
so, kakeya's problem is cool
 
I'm still alive (I think). Happy end of semester.
 
not yet. not yet.
I am glad to hear youre alive. i won't ask, but feel free to volunteer information
i got a complex (no pun intended) final next week
 
1:28 AM
LOL, what sort of information am I supposed to volunteer? ... Happy complex final.
 
idk. you don't like when people ask. so i dont ask
beyond the polite "how you doin' "
so .. kakeya eh?
 
@Ted feel free to volunteer your credit card number and bank info. Thx. Happy holidays.
 
Aside from physical pain, my life is rather exciting, but that's not for discussion here.
Thanks, @Dair. I'm sure that would help.
 
I am a Nigerian prince.
 
copy me on that email too, when you get a chance
 
1:31 AM
I just keep drawing parabolas ;-;
 
@CaptainAmerica: Here's a hint. Draw one parabola. Now draw a piecewise-linear function that intersects it at the integer points. End of hint.
 
what's the question?
 
LOL
 
Nothing to do with Nigerian princes.
 
1:32 AM
no really whats teh question
 
Tell him, @CaptainAmerica. But don't give away any answers, @JoeShmo.
 
@JoeShmo Don't give away any answers, fam.
Oh, you meant tell him the question.
@JoeShmo
Two convex functions whose graphs intersect at points where $x ∈ \Bbb Z$.
I'm searching for them.
 
do you guys know me as the guy who gives away answers?
a party pooper?
 
Sometimes. But in this case I'm guessing you don't have the answer to give away :P
 
I NEVER give away answers
 
1:38 AM
@CaptainAmerica: If you ignored my hint, I'll smack you.
 
and yes, I don't have the answer
 
The first time I assigned this question, it took me a while. And then I kicked myself.
 
but maybe i do...
 
doesn't sound too difficult right?
 
Hush @Dair :P
 
1:40 AM
@TedShifrin I didn't. I even checked that it was actually pinged to me.
 
im sorry. are you looking for the set of all such functions, or just any two?
 
I thought it was just any two.
 
Any two.
 
oh. isn't it trivial?
 
I did ping you with the hint, @CaptainAmerica. So do it.
Trivial? Hmm ...
 
1:42 AM
Back to drawing
 
Or even ... back to the drawing board.
 
@JoeShmo Future mathematics writer...
 
applauds @Dair
 
;) present
 
How are you defining convexity, @Ted?
 
1:44 AM
Curve always lies below chords.
 
Gotcha
 
@TedShifrin Not really that formal now?
 
Definitely not assuming $f''>0$.
 
@TedShifrin Oooo
That's what I was assuming.
 
Remember I told you it didn't have to be twice-differentiable.
 
1:44 AM
Calc class is ruining me ;-;
 
But no, you didn't remember.
Yup.
I told you where to look in Spivak, to be fair.
You definitely can't do it with $C^2$ functions.
 
yes^
 
Something like this?
 
You forgot $x=0$.
 
1:47 AM
doesn't that just work?
 
No, linear functions aren't convex.
 
$\le$
 
No, they're called weakly convex, not convex.
I said graph lies below the chord, not overlapping.
 
not entertained
ok
 
lol wikipedia has convex and strictly convex.
 
1:48 AM
Blah.
 
strictly convex is convex :P
 
Mixing up convex and weakly convex is still better than mixing up biholomorphic and biholomorphism!
 
wouldn't be the first time wikipedia has messed me up.
 
Who are these comments directed at?
 
How do you mix up an adjective and a noun?
 
1:49 AM
;-;
 
Adjective is also a noun tho
 
Anyhow, @CaptainAmerica, start with your picture and fiddle with it to make the second function actually convex.
 
dismisses Balarka
 
Petition to start using "nouny" as an adjectivization of noun
 
1:51 AM
i move to dismiss
 
Looks like line segments still.
 
=_=
I'm going to figure this out
 
Yup.
 
If $a \leq b$, how do you modify $a$, to say $a'$, so that $a' < b$ (strict inequality) @Cap?
 
1:59 AM
I'm out for the night. Have fun, all.
 
See ya, @Ted!
 
Cya.
 
Bye, Ted.
 
bye
 
@BalarkaSen I'll write that down. Parents are telling me to get off the computer.
 
2:00 AM
Mmk
 
Hey! I recognize people even after so many years :o

Glad to see y'all are still around :)
 
have we met? haha. Idk if i was here years ago.
nevertheless welcome back haha.
 
Hmm I'm not sure. Possibly :p
Some people haven't changed their avatars since I was more active... maybe 4 or 5 years ago (e.g. Ted) and it makes it easier to recall :P
 
2:16 AM
@TedShifrin if the function is $C_2$ then the above sequence just converges to the parabola, and presumably you mean two distinct functions. I can think of some more pathological functions, but I doubt that's what you're getting at.
 
@TedShifrin @JoeShmo The other function isn't $C^2$
 
i think ted said that
 
 
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5:25 AM
Hey what's the integral of sqrt (ax^2 +bx+c) write the ln format answer
 
What have you tried?
 
Actually googled it but there were two pages where they had a slight dissimilarity in the answers.
Are the terms inside ln correct? @Axoren
Pls write the actual answer. I really need this @Axoren
 
5:43 AM
That looks right, but if you need a proof or written solution it's a fairly long one.
The terms inside the ln might look different in different places because of simplification techniques you can do with logs
like $\ln(1/x) = \ln(1) - \ln(x)$
Though, there is a sum inside that $\ln$, so I doubt that's the source of it
 
no that was not the problem.
Pls do write one for me. and then give a picture
@Axoren combining 1 and 6 you will find what is wrong with the answer
You will find two answers don't match. A little difference of sqrt of a
 
 
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MUH
10:55 AM
I had one question regarding induction. If $B_n = \cup_{k=1}^{n} A_k$ satisfy some property $P \forall n \in \mathbb{N}$. Does it mean that $\cup_{k \in \mathbb{N}} A_k$ satisfy $P$?
 
Hi umm, can someone guide me on how to start solving this equation: $$i\dfrac{\partial f(x,t)}{\partial t} = \dfrac{\hbar}{2m}\cdot \dfrac{\partial f(x,t)}{\partial x^2}$$ ?
Or any good resource where I can learn to solve these kinds of equations?
Thanks!
 
11:55 AM
@MUH Not always, no. Consider $A_k = [-k,k]$ and let $P$ be the property "$B_n$ is compact". Clearly this holds for all natural numbers $n$, but $\Bbb R$ is not compact.
Induction says "the statement is true for all natural numbers"---you cannot necessarily conclude anything about an infinite case from normal induction.
 
Or perhaps consider the property "is the union of finitely many $A_k $."
 
 
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1:06 PM
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1:19 PM
Can someone help how to solve $x^2y'' + xdy/dx + (x^2 - n^2)y =0$ using wronskian?
 
1:45 PM
Let $T$ be some finite dimensional operator. Is it true that the size of the largest Jordan block corresponding to the eigenvalue $\lambda$ is equal to the dimension of the generalized eigenspace associated to $\lambda$?
 
 
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3:38 PM
Hello. Anyone online?
 
 
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6:28 PM
Let $\varphi \in Z^n(G; M)$. Then $d\varphi = 0$ is the same as saying $g_1 \cdot \varphi(g_2, \cdots, g_n) + \sum_{i = 1}^n (-1)^i \varphi(\cdots, g_i g_{i+1}, \cdots) + (-1)^n \varphi(g_1, \cdots, g_{n-1}) = 0$. Alternatively, $\varphi(g_2, \cdots, g_n) = g_1^{-1} \cdot \varphi(g_1g_2, \cdots) - \sum_{i = 2}^n (-1)^i g_1^{-1} \cdot \varphi(g_1, \cdots, g_i g_{i+1}, \cdots, g_n) + (-1)^{n-1} g_1^{-1} \cdot \varphi(g_1, \cdots, g_{n-1})$
Let $\alpha \in C^{n-1}(G; M)$ be the cochain $\alpha(x_1, \cdots, x_{n-1}) = \sum_{g \in G} g^{-1} \cdot \varphi(g, x_1, \cdots, x_n)$.
 
polytope insanity of the day (so far): I'm running code to get the nonnegative part of a high-dimensional cone. To make things easier for me to track, I'm doing it coordinate-by-coordinate i.e. restrict to have the first coordinate be nonnegative, then the second, etc
 
Then summing the identity above for all $g_1 \in G$, we get $|G|\varphi(g_2, \cdots, g_n) = g_2^{-1}\cdot \alpha(g_3, \cdots, g_n) - \sum_{i = 2}^n (-1)^i \alpha(g_2, \cdots, g_i g_{i+1}, \cdots, g_n) + (-1)^{n-1} \alpha(g_2, \cdots, g_{n-1})$
 
I'm waiting for the last step to be carried out. But my total number of vertices as of the last step is 89905
each of which lies in RR^63 :3
 
That's the same as saying $|G|\varphi(g_2, \cdots, g_n) = d\alpha(g_2, \cdots, g_n)$ for all $g_2, \cdots, g_n \in G$
 
i'm pretty sure sage hates my guts right now
 
6:33 PM
I.e., $|G|$ times any cocycle is a coboundary
This proves $H^n(G; M)$ is annihilated by $|G|$
 
@BalarkaSen that's the elementary proof. you can also argue via dimension shifting on Tate cohomology that it is enough to check this on $\hat{H}^0(G;M)$, but that's $M^G/N_GM$ and for that the statement is obvious
 
Ya, there's a couple proof. You can write down the transfer homomorphism $H^0(1; M) \to H^0(G; M)$ sending $m$ to $\sum_{g \in G} g \cdot m$ at the cochain level. This extends to a homomorphism $\tau : H^n(1; M) \to H^n(G; M)$ by the derived functor formalism, which you can check satisfies $\tau \circ \iota = |G|$ where $\iota : H^n(G; M) \to H^n(1; M)$ is induced from the inclusion map.
Because that's what it does at degree 0
So multiplication by $|G|$ factors through $\iota$, which kills everything
 
this reminds me: if $H \subset G$ is a finite index subgroup, then $\mathrm{Cor} \circ \mathrm{Res}$ is multiplication by $[G:H]$. For $H$ the trivial subgroup, this recovers the result
 
The proofs are identical
 
6:44 PM
You can also use Schapiro's lemma to do it
There's a natural map $\text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZG, M) \to M$ given by $f \mapsto \sum_{x \in G/H} x f(x^{-1})$.
This gives a coefficient change homomorphism $H^n(G; \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZG, M)) \to H^n(G; M)$.
But Schapiro's lemma says the first group is $H^n(H; M)$. That recovers the transfer homomorphism
 
I see, nice!
the statement about $\mathrm{Cor} \circ \mathrm{Res}$ has a useful consequence: if $P$ is a $p$-Sylow subgroup of a finite group, then the kernel of $\mathrm{Res}:H^n(G,M) \to H^n(P,M)$ is $p$-torsion free
 
hello can someone help me here:
 
That's a nice point
 
so if you take $G_p$ a $p$-Sylow subgroup for each prime $p$, then $\oplus \mathrm{Res}: H^n(G;M) \to \bigoplus_p H^n(G_p;M)$ is injective
 
6:50 PM
Ahhh
I think you're spoiling Mike's exercise ("what's the relation between cohomology of a group and cohomology of it's p-Sylows?") though, so don't tell me more :P
 
oh, sorry I wasn't aware of that exercise
 
It's all good
 
can someone help me ?
 
7:21 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos The easiest way to prove that $H^n(G; \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZG, M)) \cong H^n(H; M)$ is to see that $\text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZG}(\Bbb ZG, \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZG, M)) \cong \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZH, M)$ as functors, right?
Then the derived functors are isomorphic
I meant $\Bbb Z$ inside the Hom in both sides
$\text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZG}(\Bbb Z, \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb ZG, M)) \cong \text{Hom}_{\Bbb ZH}(\Bbb Z, M)$.
 
 
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8:37 PM
@BalarkaSen yeah sounds right
 
 
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Bob
9:38 PM
Hi
maybe somebody here would like to look at my probability question:
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Q: Finding a distribution with a given correlation

BobBelow is a problem that I made up and my attempt at a solution to it. I am hoping that somebody here can help me finish it. I believe there is a unique answer to the problem. Thanks, Bob Problem: Let $X$ and $Y$ be uniformly distributed independent variables on the interval $(-1,1)$. Let $K$ b...

 
10:16 PM
Why is the only entire function with $|f(z)|\leq ln(|z|+1)$ a constant function?
That's something I just am not wrapping my head around.
 
Because log grows slower than any polynomial.
 
and only polynomials are entire?
 
No, but the non-polynomial ones (like exponentials) grow even faster.
Write down the Cauchy integral formula to give the derivatives of your $f$ at $0$.
 
Ah, good distinction.
 
Things like $\sin$ and $\cos$ have directions in which they grow exponentially, even though they're bounded on $\Bbb R$.
 
Bob
10:19 PM
I do not understand how $\sin$ grows exponentially
 
We're talking about the complex plane. It grows exponentially as you move along the imaginary axis.
 
Read what I said carefully.
There you go.
 
(afk, moving positions)
 
Bob
okay
thank you
 
Hey everyone!
 
10:27 PM
Hey @Fargle
 
As of today I officially have a mathematics degree.
 
Félicitations!
So officially you may take over looking out over the room ...
 
Huh?
 
You're in charge.
 
Uhhhh
 
10:38 PM
Hi @Ted!
 
Hi, a @Balarka
 
Cute hint on the Euler characteristic question
 
Well, it really is the solution, rather than a hint.
You would have told him to turn Morse theory upside-down :D
 
I was writing a Morse theory answer!
Until you posted the hint
 
You often overestimate the levels of OPs.
I mean, I love Morse theory, too, but he knows no algebraic topology.
 
10:41 PM
Yeah but this time it was more that I couldn't find an elementary argument
 
Ohhh ... so you hadn't thought of my approach.
 
Nope :)
 
Once he said Poincaré-Hopf, it was the obvious answer. Plus, I've assigned this as homework before, I'm pretty sure.
 
I was trying to construct a nowhere zero vector field by hand and the only thing that I could think of was to take gradient field of a Morse function and cancel points of opposite indices
This is way easier, I should have seen it
 
I mean, turning the Morse function upside down is exactly what this proof is.
 
10:43 PM
Yeah, also true
 
I only thought of that after you said what you just said :P
 
index k zeroes of grad(f) = index -k zeroes of grad(-f)
 
In odd dimension, you mean.
 
@TedShifrin I also realized this when writing the answer, and then seeing your hint I scraped the answer :D
Right
 
Sorry. I had no idea I was sniping you.
 
10:45 PM
Hahah
This was a good snipe
Learnt something
 
11:06 PM
Problem: Prove or disprove that $\Bbb{R}/\Bbb{Z}$ is compact...My conjecture is that $\Bbb{R}/\Bbb{Z}$ is homeomorphic to $S^1$. I know that $\Bbb{R}/\Bbb{Z}$ and $S^1$ are isomorphic as groups, but $\Bbb{R}/\Bbb{Z}$ as a quotient group is different from $\Bbb{R}/\Bbb{Z}$ as a quotient space (equivalence classes are defined differently). Is my suspicion right?
 
How are the equivalence classes different?
 
Well, from my understanding, in the case of the quotient space $x \sim y$ if and only if $x,y \in \Bbb{Z}$; in the case of quotient groups, $x \sim y$ if and only if $x-y \in \Bbb{Z}$.
 
If you were right about the topological one, you'd have infinitely many circles meeting at a single point.
So you'd better check carefully what the equivalence relation is.
 
It doesn't say. This is a prelim. problem from 2005.
 
I believe they mean the same equivalence relation.
 
11:15 PM
So $x \sim y$ if and only if $x-y \in \Bbb{Z}$?
 
You were thinking of the topological $X/A$ where you collapse the subspace $A$. But I don't believe that's what they mean. You'd have to ask the person who wrote it.
 
Okay. I'll do that. Thanks!
 
If it was strictly speaking just collapsing $\Bbb Z$, wouldn't that give you the Hawaiian earring?
 
I don't think the topology is right with the Hawaiian earring, @Fargle.
 
Ah, no, you're right.
 
11:18 PM
I think it's a join of infinitely many circles of the same radius at a point.
 
A bouquet for even the most demanding.
 
There you go.
 

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