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2:42 AM
5 hours ago, by MatheinBoulomenos
"p-adics are weird", "I don't know what you mean, they're completely normal."
p-adics are one of the most weird of the completely normals
having said that, seems that mathematicians never call something weird for the word weird to have a mathematical meaning
 
 
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3:45 AM
@TedShifrin Lapidus sends his regards, and seemed quite pleased that you remembered him.
@Secret $\heartsuit$ $p$-adic numbers $\heartsuit$
 
@Xander do you mind if I walk through some of my logic on a problem I'm working on and get your feedback?
 
don't ask to ask; just ask
if I can help, I will ;)
 
Crazy how $\{\phi^n\}$ do dat
 
Okay, first off, we are grown ups. $u$ is a vector. so is $v$. We don't need no steenking arrows. Use $\mathbf{u},\mathbf{v}$ if you really, really must
:P
 
2
Q: Closed Intervals of $\omega_1$ Are Compact

Austin MohrConsider the space $\omega_1$ (the first uncountable ordinal) together with the order topology (a convenient base for which is $\{(\alpha, \beta] \mid \alpha, \beta \in \omega_1\} \cup \{0\}$ ). I wish to show: Any closed interval of $\omega_1$ is compact under the order topology. At first ...

 
3:53 AM
(removed) :\
 
@xander I have \vec reset to \textbf on my computer for latex, so its a habit :P
 
Ok I am stupid when checking compactness. I always thought containing a finite subcover means the "smallest" finite subcover
 
@xander yeah I didn't finish typing the problem sorry
 
@CookieToast Me too!
and $\R$ for $\mathbb{R}$!
 
Ooh thats a good one I never even thought of :P
 
3:54 AM
that is, a finite subcover consists of open sets of the smallest size, which caused me to rule out things like $\{(\omega n,\omega^2]\}$ by mistake
 
I also have \newcommand{\cthulhu}{/\,\textbar\,\textbackslash(;,,;)/\,\textbar\,\textbacksl‌​ash}
hrm... if I issue a \newcommand' here, will it break things, or is the TeX interpretation properly scoped? (or is \newcommand' simply disabled?)
 
Let $\textbf{u},\textbf{v}$ $\in$ $\mathbb{R}^{n}$. Describe the vectors $\textbf{x} = s\textbf{u} + t\textbf{v}$, where $s + t = 1$.
1) Assume $\textbf{u}$ and $\textbf{v}$ are nonparallel. Assume $0 < s,t < 1$. Then it seems like $\textbf{x}$ is a vector inside of the parallelogram made by $\textbf{u}$ and $\textbf{v}$
2) If $s$ or $t$ $= 1$, then we just have either $\textbf{u}$ or $\textbf{v}$.
Beyond that, I've got some general intuition, but I'm not sure where to go.
 
What are we discussing?
 
We're helping out a noob (me) with some stuff that's probably super basic to you all
 
What is the problem that you wish to evade the emptiness of?
(What is the problem?)
 
4:01 AM
The problem I mentioned right above. I'm just not sure how to "linearly" work through the problem. I have some general ideas, but there seem to be tons of special cases, so it doesn't seem too efficient to just sketch everything.
 
I don't understand that the problem... what is the question?
 
I'm supposed to describe in geometric terms all possible vectors $\textbf{x}$
 
Can $s$ and $t$ vary over all of $\mathbb{R}$?
 
Yes
As long as $s + t = 1$
 
in which case, think of $u$ and $v$ as points in space at which arrows from the origin terminate
 
4:02 AM
I may help, I am currently in ninth grade, however, do not fret, as I have mastered all branches of mathematics, and physics. These include: astrophysics, quantum mechanics, thermodynamics,
electrodynamics, fluid-dynamics, magneto-hydrodynamics, linear algebra, abstract algebra, abstract linear algebra, etc. I've even made my own type of physics pretty much infinitely harder than astrophysics, 'phantomphysics' the study of scientific-fictional things. I also had to invent my own branch of math, which has over 2000 unique symbols. It is incomprehensibly hard, but this is extraneous.
First, I would like to know from where are you getting this problem?
 
the equation $x = su + tv$ describes something geometrically (do you know what that object is?); the vectors $x$ are those vectors that terminate along that geometrical object
 
For what reason must you be sardonic?
 
Well starting from the most basic level, $\textbf{x}$ is describing the terminal point of a parallelogram, right?
 
So, are you listing the set of all points in x=su+tv is a subspace of R^3?
 
@CookieToast Have you tried drawing a picture in two dimensions?
 
4:06 AM
@evan yes but in $\mathbb{R}^{2}$
 
@EvanMerrill $\{ su + tv : s+t=1\}$ is not a subspace; at the very least, it lacks the origin
 
I can't see the equations very well, so I am sorry for not noticing this.
 
@xander is $\textbf{0}$ considered a vector?
 
in a vector space, there must be a zero vector, yes
 
The zero vector?
 
4:08 AM
in $\mathbb{R}^n$, $\mathbf{0} = \langle \underbrace{0,0,\dotsc,0}_{n}\rangle$
hrm...
 
Technically, it implies on general anistropy of the traveltime nullspace.
 
@Cookie: As a hint, set $s=1-t$ and play ...
 
@xander yeah from sketching it, I've been able to see what happens when $s$ and $t$ are both positive at least. $\textbf{x}$ is all the points inside the parallelogram made by $\textbf{u}$ and $\textbf{t}$
@ted alrighty I'll give that a try
 
No, not much of the parallelgram at all.
 
The words "straight line homotopy" may be tangentially relevant
 
4:11 AM
I saw your note, @Xander. Cool.
 
Are you guys trying to solve this still, or may we begin a new topic?
 
oh, crackers... I left my power in the office this evening... I should have brought that home with me... oh, well
pen and paper tomorrow!
 
Question: Does anyone know a meta MSE reference regarding answers whose material is lifted from another source without reference?
 
Why do you ask?
 
Ok, so I have $\textbf{x} = s\textbf{u} + (1-s)\textbf{v} = s(\textbf{u}-\textbf{v}) + \textbf{v}$ Since we can choose any $s$ $\in$ $\mathbb{R}$, $s(\textbf{u} - \textbf{v})$ is a line. That means $\textbf{x}$ is the line through $\textbf{u}$ and $\textbf{v}$?
 
4:19 AM
Noted something suspicious on the main site. I'm probably wrong, but I'm curious.
 
Oh, I see.
 
Right, Cookie.
 
Holy crap.
 
I don't know if it's glithced for me, but am I the only person seeing the direct text and not the math?
 
@CookieToast Yes!
 
4:20 AM
Use the Latex in chat link in the room desc
 
Man I thought previous classes were difficult, but nope :P I guess I don't get to complain about my silly little Calc 3 any more haha
 
Mathjax isn't auto-enabled here, but it's easy to set it up as a bookmark
 
Also, sorry for being a rebel and using $t = 1 - s$ instead of $s = 1 - t$ :P
 
Wait til you get to the calculus in my course, Cookie.
 
to-MAY-to, to-MAH-to
 
4:21 AM
yoyo chat
anything interesting happening
 
Yo Eric
 
@XanderHenderson tomayto potahto
 
So, how do I allow my computer to transcribe the direct text to the symbols?
 
@Daminark to-MAY-to, bi-CY-cle
 
@Ted if you decide to come out of retirement at UGA you have to tell me before next fall so I can apply there, out of state tuition be damned
 
4:22 AM
As I said, follow the Latex in chat link in the room description (upper right)
 
Oh Lord
 
@EvanMerrill use the link in the room description
 
it'll give instructions
 
LOL, I'm in San Diego now, Cookie.
 
AoPS is located in San Diego then? Man that's gotta be a nice place to live!
I'd love to have a beach so close
 
4:24 AM
Their main office is here, yeah, actually.
 
too much fire tho
scary
 
Not here ... yet.
 
SD is much nicer than the inland empire
at least in San Diego, the air is more-or-less transparent
 
Irvine? :P
 
It does not seem to work.
Oh well.
I have a challenge.
 
4:25 AM
im scared of southern california bc i dont like being hot
 
You need a bookmark, Evan, that you click on while in tbe room.
 
I woke up this morning and said to myself "That is fog. That is fog. THAT. IS. FOG!"... it wasn't :(
 
@Eric my aunt lives in Palm Springs. 120 in the summer.
I don't know how people do it
 
too hot for me
 
@CookieToast I have a colleague who just got a tenure track teaching job at a CC in Palm Springs
 
4:26 AM
had a colleague, until he melted
The things people will suffer through for a TT haha
 
she, and no, she loves it there
 
id rather live in southern california than move back home though
 
honestly, now that she is done with her Ph.D. and out from under her advisor, she actually seems pretty happy (or, at least, she did last week at JMM)
 
Vibe I get is that weather-wise, the best place to live in the country is northern California
 
SF is nice
as are most of the coastal communities
but once you get over the Coastal Range, norcal isn't all that great
at least, not until you get up into the Sierras
 
4:29 AM
@xander did you figure out if you could reassign commands for TeX here?
 
Truckee is pretty groovy
@CookieToast I didn't bother, as I didn't want to break things
$\newcommand{\R}{\mathbb{R}}$
$\R$
try typing \R
 
SF is very chilly and foggy most of the year.
 
man, I love the Bay
 
@TedShifrin ideal tbh
 
Much hotter at Stanford.
 
4:30 AM
I wish that I could (1) find a job there (2) find my wife a job there and (3) convince my wife to move again
 
Incidentally, I was taking about what turned out to be a Putnam problem here a few days ago
 
v true
 
but, seeing as the wife is the breadwinner, and she hates moving even more than I do, that seems unlikely
 
I think I forgot to mention why I was thinking about it
 
\renewcommand\vec{\mathbf}
Yeah, it wont let you
 
4:32 AM
I made this formula in fifth grade:
$\int_1^ax^ndx=\frac{a^{n+1}}{n+1}-\frac{1}{5}(\frac{a^{n+1}}{n+1})+(\frac{1}{5}(\frac{n^{n+1}}{n+1})-\frac{1}{n+1})$

Can anyone find a number to disprove it?
 
Nate Silver's 538 blog has a weekly math/stats challenge problem; here's the one for this week: fivethirtyeight.com/features/…
 
Let the number in question be called d
 
First one is to find the probability of a random inscribed triangle to contain the origin, second is to do the same for a random tetrahedron with vertices on the sphere.
 
@EvanMerrill At a glance, it seems like that would only be true for $a=n$
 
$d|d\epsilonR$
Try it out, Akiva.
 
4:34 AM
Oh, old one. @Semiclassic I put that in my algebra book in tbe section on affine geometry.
 
Did you get LaTeX in chat working in the end? @EvanMerrill
 
Nope.
 
Yeah, it's a nice one. I still don't entirely understand why the result is as simple as it is in n dimensions
 
@TedShifrin For the most part I like chill and don't like the sun
 
Did you try the link in the top right? @EvanMerrill
 
4:34 AM
Affine geometry.
 
Yes.
Semiclassical
 
And put the "Start ChatJax" thing as a bookmark? Weird
 
Chicago's painfully cold sometimes, seems like SF isn't quite as bad in that regard, and summers aren't so deadly
 
My sorta heuristic is that you can express the answer in terms of determinants
 
4:35 AM
@CookieToast try typing \R... I am curious if it works for anyone other than me
 
@Daminark i heard they probably have good algebra on the moon
 
check it out
 
which all have to have the same signs
 
\R
$\R$
 
4:35 AM
heh
I broked chat!
 
Yeah, it works.
 
Well, such that d is a part of the real numbers.
 
It's related to the problem Cookie was just doing.
 
$\vec{x}$
 
Can anyone find a number than disproves this?
 
4:36 AM
which, if those sign flips are all independent and uncorrelated, gives a probability of all signs agreeing of $1/2^{n-1}$
which matches the result
 
Any two numbers.
 
But that feels...unjustified.
 
If you go to my webpage and look at my MAA lecture, I explained it in there, @Semiclassic.
 
@EvanMerrill In any case: $\int_1^a x^n dx$ equals $\frac{a^{n+1}}{n+1}-\frac{1}{n+1}$, through the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus
 
ooo
I'll check it out.
 
4:37 AM
Explain the importance of the number 5.
 
@Semiclassical It is one of those arguments that seems obvious when you first see it, then you spend a long time convincing yourself that yes, it really is that obvious
 
@EvanMerrill It isn't. The middle two terms from your thing should cancel. Since they don't, you made a mistake somewhere
There shouldn't be a 5 in the final answer
 
In the formula there is.
 
I had taken a look at two other sources in the meantime. One is the original published solution to A6 in the 53rd Putnam exam, available here: math.hawaii.edu/~dale/putnam/1992.pdf
 
@EvanMerrill As I said, $\int_1^a x^n dx$ equals $\frac{a^{n+1}}{n+1}-\frac{1}{n+1}$
 
4:39 AM
I have not yet encountered a set of numbers that defies this, so I am almost positive that if it contains an error it was through the writing on the computer.
 
This 1996 paper by Howard and Sisson discusses it and has some nice generalizations as well: lsusmath.rickmabry.org/psisson/putnam/putnam-web.htm
 
Are you sure you meant $n^{n+1}$? @EvanMerrill
In the third term
 
I don't know.
I find it quite difficult to see the messages wwithout LaTeX
Hitherto, I have not gotten the dumb thing to work.
 
@EvanMerrill tinyurl.com/cfqcvpc
I didn't know why it's not working
 
user131753
@EvanMerrill Use this.
 
4:41 AM
Do I just reload it?
 
It's a bookmark thing.
 
@Semiclassical Here's another silly little geometric problem with a slick solution: Suppose that 5 points are placed on a sphere. Is it always possible to divide the sphere in half such that one of the two (closed---include the boundary) halves contains four of the five points?
 
Once you made it a bookmark, you have to click on the bookmark while you're in this tab
 
I have clicked on the link sent by user170039.
 
Oh, that one I haven't tried
 
4:42 AM
Interesting.
Can't say I have an intuition for it, though
 
user131753
@EvanMerrill Oh. I see. It's an extension. Once you download it, just refresh the page.
 
Someone answer this question: If you select four random points on a sphere, what is the probability that the tetrahedron formed by the points contains the center of the sphere?
 
41 mins ago, by Evan Merrill
electrodynamics, fluid-dynamics, magneto-hydrodynamics, linear algebra, abstract algebra, abstract linear algebra, etc. I've even made my own type of physics pretty much infinitely harder than astrophysics, 'phantomphysics' the study of scientific-fictional things. I also had to invent my own branch of math, which has over 2000 unique symbols. It is incomprehensibly hard, but this is extraneous.
> Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
 
@EvanMerrill There is a solution to the problem in the paper linked above: math.hawaii.edu/~dale/putnam/1992.pdf
 
I was scrolling through unanswered math problems and came upon this, so I provided the answer. I would like to see if any of you can solve it.
The person did say it was from some sort of test he took back in '64.
 
4:45 AM
@EvanMerrill this is explained by 3Blue1Brown on his YouTube
 
@EvanMerrill There's a nice video by 3Blue1Brown on this problem. I would recommend you check it out; it's pretty good
Argh, sniped
 
hey
 
Yes, I used that to assist myself on the answer
Because I could not think of how to put it into words.
 
To "assist yourself" on the answer? He gives a compete solution.
 
4:46 AM
I needed it because I needed a better way to explain it in R^2
 
@AkivaWeinberger was that a joke
 
So... $\mathbb{Q}_p$ is its own Pontryagin dual... that seems believable...
 
Hi Meow
 
i just re-read a bunch of limits stuff and continuity
 
What's a Pontryagin dual?
 
4:48 AM
and it came rushing back
 
I need to go this ponder this wavefunction I've just recieved, it'll probably take me quite a bit of time, therefore, I shall sign off.
 
@AkivaWeinberger Suppose that $G$ is a locally compact abelian topological group
 
@EvanMerrill u better be joking
@Ted does Spivak provide a proof that you can apply continuous functions inside a limit? i.e. $g(\lim f(x)) = \lim g(f(x))$
 
Is that a weird way to say "Someone's calling me"?
 
a character of $G$ is a homomorphism $\chi : G \to \mathbb{T}$, where $\mathbb{T}$ is the one-torus (i.e. the unit circle), with a group structure given by complex multiplication
 
4:50 AM
or is that even true lol
because i told someone that today and i hope i wasnt wrong
 
the Pontryagin dual of $G$ is the group of characters
 
that's continuity of $g$, Meow.
 
@XanderHenderson Interesting
 
b-but this is a function
 
@AkivaWeinberger as basic examples, $\R$ is self dual
 
4:52 AM
def of continuity is just $lim f$ at $a$ is $f(a)$
 
...full disclosure, for anyone still listening: while I may disdain trolling in the usual sense---acting like an a** in order to get a reaction---there is a certain kind of trolling I do appreciate.
 
the dual of $\mathbb{T}$ is $\mathbb{Z}$, and the dual of $\mathbb{Z}$ is $\mathbb{T}$
and now the wife is home, so I am off
g'night
 
And that's acting like you don't know someone is guilty when you're entirely aware.
 
Gnight
Like replying to spam emails? (James Veitch's TED talk thing)
 
(I feel like there's a trope for that.)
 
4:54 AM
Only example I can think of
 
You want $g$ continuous at the point $\lim f(x)$, Meow. Work it out.
 
Eh. It may be the only example you can think of, but it's not the only one you've seen in the last few minutes :3
 
hi @TedShifrin
 
@Semiclassical What, me not calling out Evan for being immature?
'Cause I kinda did, when I posted that quote on how any fool can make something more complicated
 
@AkivaWeinberger More like me 'coincidentally' bringing up the links I did
 
4:56 AM
that was definitely a troll lol
nobody talks like that
 
So for part (b), we have $\textbf{x} = r\textbf{u} + s\textbf{v} + t\textbf{w}$, where $\textbf{u},\textbf{v},\textbf{w}$ $\in$ $\mathbb{R}^{3}$. Rewriting $r = 1 - s - t$ gives us $\textbf{x} = \textbf{u} + s(\textbf{v}-\textbf{u}) + t(\textbf{w} - \textbf{u})$ The lines $s(\textbf{v}-\textbf{u})$ and $t(\textbf{w} - \textbf{u})$ form a plane right? So then $\textbf{x}$ is just the plane defined by $\textbf{v}$ and $\textbf{w}$ intersecting $\textbf{u}$
 
Anyway, I stumbled upon here because someone flagged something here
 
(Compare what he had in his answer to the published solution for A6, and his 'generalization' to the other source I linked)
 
i could go for some yogurt
frozen yogurt
 
Well, if what he put in the answer is true, I might just dismiss it as being... immature.
 

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