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12:00 AM
@MikeM that should work - though it assumes we have a unique model..
 
oh, I thought you said we did.
I guess you were trying to show that $\Delta$ has a unique model?
 
Precisely, sorry about the confusion. But I think you got me in the right direction
 
Good, because I can only do silly things like that with the logic I remember :)
 
Did you find the course interesting?
 
Yes, it's the sort of thing I'd like to know more about. It's not the sort of thing I'd like to do work in, though.
 
12:03 AM
The exercises here 'feel' like the ones in set-theory, I rather liked it
 
Logic and set theory are inextricably linked :)
 
@MikeMiller What about fava beans and chianti?
 
Those don't normally go together, @Pedro. They only work together when combined with liver.
 
@MikeMiller FZFZFZFZFZFFZF!!!
 
I can show $\Delta$ defines a unique model, the model where an atomic sentence is true iff it is in $\Delta$ - thanks Mike!
 
12:17 AM
Now, when all excitement has gone, I’ll repeat several questions.
Have you ever encountered a problem of inattention? I think my death will come while I try to diagnosticate mistakes in my solutions. How could an infected one be cured from this?
 
@Alizter: I thought you were studying for a physics exam ...
Censures @Pedro for his foul language
 
@TedShifrin HA HA HA.
 
@TedShifrin I have found a similar problem on physics I mentioned yesterday in English. Inform me if you want to have a look on it.
 
@TedShifrin I never understood the bike track problem.
 
@Mike: best to get lots of practice giving talks ... I Started year 1.
Why not @Pedeo?
Ok @Mikeonly
 
12:27 AM
Okay, @Ted, I emailed the professor running it.
 
Hello!! How could we show that $x^p-x-1$ is irreducible in $\mathbb{Q}[x]$ ??
 
Nice, @Mike
 
I'm terrified, @Ted
 
It can't be worse than talking to Pedro and me :D
 
Giving a 1.5hr talk in front of a full room of faculty and students? Yes it can :)
 
12:29 AM
What have you tried, @MaryStar?
it's called growing up, @Mike ;)
 
Ah... so we're in a Peter Pan situation
 
@TedShifrin I thought that maybe we could use Eisenstein criterion for $f(x+1)$, but I got $f(x+1)=f(x)$... I don't really have any ideas... :/
 
$f(x+1)=f(x)$?
 
@TedShifrin Oh, I am sorry... It were $f(x+1)=f(x)$, if the characteristic was $p$, but now it is $0$...
 
Mod $p$, still not right.
 
12:35 AM
What do you mean @TedShifrin ??
 
@Chris'ssis I have a real variable solution
 
@TedShifrin Oh, that ping failed.
I have no idea how to approach it.
 
Hi @robjohn
 
@TedShifrin We cannot use Eisenstein criterion, right??
 
Hint: Instantaneously, how is the back wheel moving, @Pedro?
 
12:38 AM
@TedShifrin Tangent to the point where the first wheel touches the floor?
 
I don't know, @MaryStar.
Huh? @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin I have no idea what you meant by that question then.
 
Think about the actual structure of a bike, @Pedro
 
@TedShifrin OK.
 
Could I ask you something, @DanielFischer ?
 
12:41 AM
Thinks.
 
Does @DanielF exist?
 
@TedShifrin Not in a Platonic sense.
 
He did a while earlier today. I should have asked him to explain all of PDE to me while he was here.
 
@DanielF ! lovely to see you
 
Ah, he's back.
 
12:42 AM
@evinda If it's reasonably quick. I'm going to bed soon.
 
@TedShifrin I've thought of a bike.
What now?
@DanielFischer Hey, feller.
 
@DanielFischer Yes, it is.. Wait a minute..
 
@TedShifrin Been visiting my brother.
 
LOL ... Nice thoughts?
 
@Daniel Could you do me a favor and explain all of PDE theory?
 
12:43 AM
Older or younger? Twin?
@TedShifrin I have no idea what to do, Ted. Don't make it say it twice, now, eh? =D
 
@MikeMiller Fortunately, I don't know much PDE theory.
@PedroTamaroff Yes, older or younger.
 
there's the bike joining rear to front ...
 
Ah, and here I thought you were just trying to get out of teaching me the nonlinear half.
 
@DanielFischer Could you tell me if tha algorithm HeapSort is right like that: pastebin.com/xHiH1Xft ?
 
@TedShifrin Yes.
 
12:45 AM
To find the splitting field of $x^m-1 \in \mathbb{F}_p[x]$, do we have to take cases for $m$, if it is a multiple of $p$ or not??
 
So the rear wheel moves instantaneously in the direction of the axis of the bike ... Oh, maybe that's what you were trying to say ...
 
@TedShifrin Hehehehe.
Yes, the back wheel follows the axis of rotation of the handle?
What now?
 
No, the back wheel can't turn. And it's a fixed length from the front ...
 
@evinda Depends on what Initialize_Heap and Heapify do.
 
Congratulations on the tie breaker @MikeMiller * The leaderboard counts hats earned across the network. While all four earned the maximum network-wide, the tiebreaker goes to the person who scored the most hats on their home site. Mike Miller’s 36 hats on Mathematics was the maximum he could earn. The two he missed on Math were HairBoat, since Abby hadn’t posted on his site and Kofia, which is awarded to brand-new posters only.
 
12:50 AM
@TedShifrin Hey, Ted... I've spent all day on one answer. That can take the wind out of you.
 
@DanielFischer Initialize_Heap makes the partial sorting of the initial array so that it is turned to a heap with the minimum at A[n]
 
@TedShifrin Ok.
 
@DanielFischer Heapify resets the partial order of the heap that may has been destroyed at the root
 
Well, I dealt with a drugged out flunking student on probation and a new student who surely doesn't know enough to pass my course, @robjohn ... And then I went to start retirement :)
 
@TedShifrin You had a student in your class that was drug addict?
 
12:52 AM
@skullpatrol wow... I only got 10 hats. There were several hats that I couldn't get because they were for first time occurrences that had already happened, and some that required downvoting that I wouldn't get.
 
I don't know details, mr eyeglasses.
 
@evinda Is the root of the heap at A[n] or at A[1]?
 
@user130018 Hello Bart.
 
@TedShifrin that sounds pretty draining... are you really retiring?
 
At A[1], @DanielFischer
 
12:53 AM
Hi @JasperLoy
 
Thanks, @skull.
 
:-)
 
@robjohn The hardest one for me on MSE was getting a gold badge... I had to reach 1k reviews in some review queue
 
yup, @robjohn.
I don't expect ever to get gold, @Mike
 
You've got one of them already, @Ted
 
12:55 AM
Hmm, for what?
 
OK, @Ted will tell me nothing about bikes.
 
Logging on to the site every damn day for a year :)
 
I will go back to being a mod.
 
Night, @Pedro
that was gold? @Mike
 
Yep
 
12:57 AM
@TedShifrin B-b-b-but.
I really wanted to know the solution.
 
you know me better than that @Pedro
 
@evinda Then after swapping A[n] and A[i], you have destroyed more than you should have, A[i+1,...,n]has no root node anymore, your parent-child relations are lost. If you have the root at A[1], you should build the sorted array from back to front, first swap the largest element into A[n], heapify A[1,...,n-1], swap the largest remaining element into A[n-1] etc.
 
@TedShifrin I don't know how to solve it. It seems you think I do.
 
OK, @Ted, looks like I'm in. Pray that the organizers don't bring tomatos to throw at me.
 
I'll fly out and throw tomatoes, @Mike
 
12:58 AM
Hmmm... I'd prefer against, to be honest
 
No, @Pedro, but you're very close.
Against what? @Mike
 
I'm two tired to think, @Ted.
Lands the pun.
 
Against you flying out and throwing tomatoes at me.
 
In this way, will we get a min-heap? @DanielFischer
 
Sigh ... I'm already unwanted.
No comment @Pedro
 
1:00 AM
Well, @Ted, I wouldn't mind if you just handed me the tomatoes.
 
@MikeMiller That was one that was hard, since mods can't really participate in most review queues.
 
@evinda You make a max-heap first. Then the largest element is in A[1]. Swap A[1] and A[n], heapify (max) A[1,...,n-1] so you have the largest remaining element in A[1].
 
@TedShifrin OK. I will go to sleep now.
 
@PedroTamaroff good night
 
ah... right, @robjohn. I guess you can participate in the edit queue just fine, or first post, but that's it, I suppose
 
1:03 AM
@DanielFischer So you mean that I just have to change the indices of the array that is the argument of Heapify?
 
@MikeMiller yeah, I have a smattering of others, but most of mine are in suggested edits.
 
@evinda If your Initialize_Heap and Heapify are for max-heaps, all you have to do is change indices, and let the loop go down from n to 2. Otherwise you need to change more. But you should test your code, then you can check whether it does what it is intended to do in some example cases, a good testing strategy would catch most errors.
 
Night, @Pedro
 
@DanielFischer What do I have to change if the algorithms are for a min-heap?
 
@evinda Quite a bit. If you build a min-heap, you have the smallest element in A[1] at the start. So you'd leave that in place. But then you have two unrelated min-heaps with roots at A[2] and A[3]. You would need to join these two heaps to become one min-heap, which is not trivial.
Of course, you just need to flip a few comparisons to change the code to produce max-heaps.
 
1:20 AM
@DanielFischer So do we have to compare the first with the second element, then heapify, then compare the second with the third one and so on?
 
@evinda Think through whether that would work.
 
A user was removed (I got -15), and this thing appeared on my question.
But... the user is deleted, so there will be no 500 for anyone; at most 250 if someone qualifies for auto-award.
 
@DanielFischer Do we maybe have to compare the children of the rood and then compare the smallest to the root and swap them if the root is greater?
 
@evinda Don't guess. Think how a heap is structured.
 
@DanielFischer The root should contain the smallest key and so the key of each child should be greater and this has to hold for each subtree.
@DanielFischer So at the beginning we have one element that will be the smallest, then we get an other and we have to compare its value with this from the root and if it is smaller we have to swap them, then we do the same for the right child of the root.And then we have to follow the same procedure for the left and right child being the root, right? But we have to compare the new entries again with the root..Or am I wrong ?
 
1:33 AM
@evinda If you don't know, try it out. That's a nice thing about algorithms, you can try your ideas.
 
@DanielFischer We want an increasing order of the keys, right? So don't we have to apply the heap-sort for a max-heap and the other two functions for the min-heap? Or am I wrong?
 
@evinda I'm not sure what you mean. But you can answer these questions yourself by reading a good description of a heap-sort (e.g. wikipedia) and playing around with the code, seeing what results you get. To understand the algorithms, you need to play around with them.
 
HeapSort(A){
  Initialize_Heap(A);
  for (i=n; i>=2; i--){
     swap(A[1],A[i]);
    n=n-1;
    Min_Heapify(1...n)
}
@DanielFischer Is it maybe like that?
 
@evinda Please, try your code and see for yourself. It's the best way to learn.
 
1:49 AM
Ok, I will do it tomorrow and tell you... I will go to sleep now... Good night!!!! :) @DanielFischer
 
Good night, @evinda, sleep well.
 
2:04 AM
My attempt to identify the deleted user has been unsuccessful...
But in the process I noticed Kevin Dong got suspended. Ted's students will not get their homework done for a little while.
 
2:23 AM
@Fundamental: Good grief. Why was Kevin suspended?
 
As usual with these things, nobody can tell except himself.
 
Oh, "voting irregularities" ...
 
Hi @TedShifrin.
 
heya @MichaelA
 
2:39 AM
Don't suppose I could ask you a pesky question about G & H.
 
you'll find my brain is pretty fried today, but you can try
 
Well, it's from section 1, chapter 0 so it shouldn't be too bad.
 
LOL, ha ha
 
After defining what it means for a variety to be irreducible at a point, they show that if f is irreducible in the local ring O_n then its zero locus is irreducible at the point 0. With me so far?
 
yup
 
2:49 AM
OK. To prove this, they suppose V = {f(z) = 0} is the union of two varieties V_1 and V_2. Now here's where I get stuck. They claim there is f_1 in O_n which vanishes on V_1 and is non-zero on V_2, and f_2 in O_n which is non-zero on V_1 and vanishes on V_2. How do we know that V_1 must be the zero locus of a single function rather than the common zero locus of a collection of functions? Likewise for V_2.
 
Because we're doing hypersurfaces ?
 
Well, we're told V is a hypersurface. If it isn't irreducible, why must each of its irreducible components be hypersurfaces?
 
hey everyone
 
Oh, because a hypersurface is equidimensional ... It can't have pieces of different dimensions. This follows from the stuff G&H say after this proof, if you don't buy it.
hi @daOnly
 
complex analysis question, if anyone's interested: how could I solve for z in this equation? $e^{z^2}=4-4i$. Do I literally just approach this as an algebra problem? I'd think there's something else to do (probably an identity of some sort) as the answer, I believe, is periodic
 
2:53 AM
Is that $(e^z)^2$ or $e^(z^2)$?
Ah ...
There's lots and lots of solutions, @daOnly. But, yeah, there's no analysis. Just $\log$ (multivalued) and lots of square roots.
 
OK, so let me see if this is correct:
$$\ln{e^{z^2}} = \ln{(4-4i)}$$
 
But remember $\log$ has infinitely many values.
 
$$z^2 = \ln{(4-4i)}$$
At this point, it's easy to just say the following:
(er, conclude, however incorrectly:)
$$z=+/- \sqrt{\ln{(4-4i)}}$$
I'm really not sure what the period is
is it just 2πik, where k is an integer?
 
Before you take square roots, yes.
 
okay- thanks!
 
3:01 AM
Have fun (not).
 
lol
 
Out of here for now ...
 
@TedShifrin Thanks.
 
Keep me posted, @MichaelA ... As my brain turns to mush ;)
 
3:20 AM
Hello @TedShifrin. You have already become resident professor of this chat.
 
Does anyone here mind if I ask for some academic related math advice?
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog You should just ask your question and if someone wants to answer they will.
 
Yay. Now, I'm about to give a lot of intoduction just to explain what I am going to talk about.
See, currently we are doing analytical trigonometry.
Three major parts to the test we are having next week. Simplifying trig expressions, solving trig equations, proving trig identities.
 
Go on, maybe I can help.
 
The major cornerstone to the entire thing is the basic identities. I'll type them up if anyone wishes me to.
Reciprocal Identities, Quotient Identities, Pythagorean Identities, Cofunction Identities, Odd-Even Identities.
The trouble is, one must memorize them inside out, and be able to use them analytically, like algebra.
Having not been introduced to this sort of thing before, I find myself constantly relying upon actually peeking at the identities while doing problems.
Brute Memorization unfortunately is not for everyone. I need some sort of advice to help think of them better.
 
3:36 AM
Try to derive the identities. After doing this a few times and using them a few times, you will probably remember them.
 
the unit circle thingy?
cos, sin = x, y
right?
 
If you really cannot remember, some exams allow a formula list. But I don't think there are that many to remember.
@PhonicsTheHedgehog All the identities. I am sure they are proven in your textbook?
 
We don't really use textbooks in class. Our teacher types up all the information on sheets and hands them out to us... It seems that they don't focus upon proving them and explaining why they are the way they are, but instead they focus upon solving problems analytically with them. My textbook might have what you are saying, let me check.
Hmm, I don't think my textbook actually derives the identities, but merely states them.
 
Hi @PhonicsTheHedgehog
 
@user130018 Hello, how are you this evening
 
3:42 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Well, try to find the proof somewhere then, in other books or on the web. Or ask your teacher.
 
@JasperLoy I hope the proofs themselves are not confusing. I'll search online.
 
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Most of them are simple.
 
@JasperLoy I can't access StackExchange
 
@user130018 Maybe maintenance.
 
Hmm, says offline. Huh.
Simple text on white background o.o
 
4:32 AM
Hi @Ted. I dropped abstract algebra and advanced calculus 2 and enrolled in java.
@Ted so my schedule is num analysis 2, java, oop, number theory, and topology 1. let me know what you think, thanks.
 
5:05 AM
I'd recommend something that isn't math/comp. sci. I took a lot of math and comp sci in college, but I wish I had taken more liberal arts - history and music in particular.
 
Hello everyone
@ThomasAndrews are you angry at me?
 
5:21 AM
@PhonicsTheHedgehog Have you found the proofs?
@JorgeFernández Why would he be?
 
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Q: Proof there is a unique pythagorean triple adding to $1000$

newbieI'm not really good in math so. Mind helping me with this one. I can't hold on how to start. And I'm really curious how to solve this one. A Pythagorean triplet is a set of three natural numbers, $a < b < c$, for which, $a^2 + b^2 = c^2$ For example, $3^2 + 4^2 = 9 + 16 = 25 = 5^2$. I need a ...

that
 
 
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9:16 AM
@Alizter You haven't even seen the proof dude.
It's kind of easy, though. $\Bbb CP^1$ has two homeomorphism types, $S^3/S^1$ and $S^2$, and that's where your map comes from.
 
r9m
@DanielFischer $100K$ !! Congratulations ! :D
 
More precisely, let $S^3 \to \Bbb C \cup \{\infty\}$ be the map sending $(z_0, z_1)$ to $z_0/z_1$. But if you take the inverse image of $\infty$, you get $(0, z_1)$ where $|z_1| = 1$, which is precisely a circle!
In fact, preimage of every point is a circle.
So there is your fiber bundle $S^1 \hookrightarrow S^2 \to S^3$
I am still having a bit trouble to visualize this. I was given the hint that $S^1 * S^1 = S^3$
 
 
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Huy
11:12 AM
@MikeMiller: Do you know by any chance why
$$[X,Y]^i = X^j Y^i_{,j} - Y^j X^i_{,j}$$
? Where does the derivative come from?
 
11:31 AM
Let $\phi: E^n \to E^n$ be an isometry and set $v_0 = \phi(0)$. If $v_0 \ne 0$, then let $\rho_0$ be the reflection about the hyperplane $P(\frac{v_0}{|v_0|},\frac{|v_0|}{2})$. Then it is claimed by a textbook that $\rho(v_0) = 0$, however isn't it $v_0$?
 
Hello!! Is there someone that can help me at field theory, about algebraic elements??
 
What are you after, specifically? @MaryStar
 
I am looking at the following exercise:

Let $X$ be transcendental over a field $F$, and let $E$ be a subfield of $F(X)$ properly containing $F$. Prove that $X$ is algebraic over $E$.

I have no idea what I could do... Do you maybe have one @AndrewThompson ??
 
@robjohn Your solution is nice. I upovted it.
 
hi kid @huy
 
11:45 AM
I need a confirmation on: "Radius of sphere will be equal to half the diagonal of parallelepiped if all vertices of parallelepiped are on the surface of that sphere"
is it true ?
 
Huy
hi kid @sawarnik
 
any word for my problem ???
none ?
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: I'm going through some previous definitions and I'm a bit wondering what's happening here: Let $\varphi: M \to \bar{M}$ be a differentiable map between two manifolds. Let $\bar{\omega}$ be a 1-form (covector field) on $\bar{M}$. Then, we define the 1-form $\varphi^* \bar{\omega}$ on $M$ by $$\varphi^*: d\bar{f} \mapsto d(\bar{f} \circ \varphi)$$ for $\bar{f} \in \mathcal{F}(\bar{M})$. However, iirc, only covectors always can be written das $\omega = df$, but not all 1-forms, no?
@TedShifrin: Or are we implicitly looking at the covector $\omega_p \in T_p^*$ which is defined through $$\omega(X)(p) = \langle \omega_p, X_p \rangle$$ and then write it in the suggested form to locally define $\varphi^*$?
 
@robjohn I have a crazy solution there, extremely fast. It's like an A-bomb, the integral dies almost instantly. :-)
 
@DanishALI Looks to be true.
Hi all.
 
Huy
11:58 AM
@Chris'ssis: Not a very tasteful comparison, imo.
 
@Huy if the integrals, series and limits were brought to life and think like us, they'll probably consider me a monster. :-)
 
Maybe a bit of a trivial question, but I'm working through some lecture notes where they wrote that some square matrix A was smaller than or equal to the identity matrix. What determines the 'norm' of such a matrix? The matrix was diagonalizable, so maybe the trace in the diagonal form?
Well, I should have thought about it a bit more. From the context it seems likely that they were using the trace norm, which in this case just corresponds to the sum of the absolute eigenvalues
Although it didn't say |A| < |1|, just A < 1.
 
Huy
@user3183724: Are you sure your norm is defined as the sum of the absolute of the eigenvalues? That doesn't seem to be a matrix norm.
 
No, I have to admit I'm not. I was looking at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_norm where I saw the Schatten norm section, which mentions the trace norm. That one seemed relevant to the context (it's a proof on distinguishability for quantum states, which uses trace all the time) and is particularly nice as the matrix is hermitian, but I'm actually quite sure now that this is not what they mean
 
Huy
@user3183724: Can you show the matrix maybe in the context?
 
12:13 PM
Well its about POVM's in finite dimensions. They are written as $\Lambda_x$ and they obey two conditions: $\Lambda_x \geq zeromatrix$ and $\sum_x{\Lambda_x} = identitymatrix$
so any single Lambda_x must be smaller than the identity matrix, but I don't understand what
sorry, pressed enter, what smaller means here
smaller than or equal to*
 
Huy
In QM, the operator norm is pretty common, induced by $\langle A, B \rangle = \operatorname{tr} (A^\dagger B)$.
@user3183724: But then again, I think you might be just looking at $\|A \| = \langle A,A \rangle^{1/2}$.
 
@DanielFischer
 
@BalarkaSen Oui?
 
Huy
@user3183724: That would be the Frobenius, or Hilbert-Schmidt norm.
 
@Huy You are probably right, that does make sense
 
12:18 PM
@DanielFischer "i need halp!!1!"
 
@BalarkaSen What with?
 
@Huy Funnily enough, that does correspond to the sum of the absolute value of the eigenvalues for a normal operator
in the case of identical operators that is, so $\|A \| = \langle A,A \rangle^{1/2}$
 
I want to see the canonical action of $S^1$ on $S^1 * S^1$. The latter is just $[0, 1] * [0, 1]$ (i.e., a tetrahedron) with appropriate identifications. I believe if you make a small square inside this tetrahedron, then it breaks up into two bits homeomorphic to the solid torus. So I guess the action should be on the little square.
 
Hello @BalarkaSen !! Do you maybe have an idea for the following exercise??

Let $X$ be transcendental over a field $F$, and let $E$ be a subfield of $F(X)$ properly containing $F$. Prove that $X$ is algebraic over $E$.
 
@DanielFischer Here's a picture of what I'm talking about :
I know, I know, looks like crap.
 
Huy
12:25 PM
@user3183724: Yes, because for normal matrices, the singular values just become the eigenvalues, iirc.
 
@BalarkaSen $X \ast Y$ is the join of the two spaces?
 
Yeah.
 
@Huy Yeah indeed. But, thank you for answering my question!
 
Huy
@user3183724: But defining the norm on any matrices as the sum of the absolute value of the eigenvalues wouldn't give you a matrix norm.
 
To be a little bit clear about the context, I am trying to visualize Hopf fibration @DanielFischer and $S^1 * S^1 = S^3$ was the hint I was given.
 
12:26 PM
@Huy No, no indeed. Your answer is the correct one, which reduces to the one I found in this specific case, so I got lucky (or unlucky as I would have done it wrong in the future)
 
@MaryStar Yes, I have an idea, but what have you tried?
In fact, I have the whole solution. :P
 
@BalarkaSen So you basically have $S^1\times [0,1]\times S^1$ with identifications for $t = 0$ and $t = 1$. The canonical action would be $(\lambda, \langle \xi, t, \eta\rangle) \mapsto \langle \lambda\cdot \xi, t, \lambda\cdot\eta\rangle$ I'd think. How to sketch that is beyond me, however.
 
@BalarkaSen We know that there is no non-zero polynomial in $f$ such that $f(X)=0$ and we want to show that there is a non-zero polynomial in $E$ such that $g(X)=0$, right?? WE have the extension $F < E \leq F(X)$, right?? But how could we conlcude using these information that such a polynomial $g$ exists?? I don't really have a idea... :/
 
@robjohn I just put down the cubic version too.
 
@MaryStar Actually what you want to prove is false. Take $E = F(X)$.
$F \subset F(X) \subseteq F(X)$
:P
Probably your exercise have the convention that subfields are necessarily proper?
Otherwise it's miserably false. There are infinitely many extensions between F and F(X).
 
12:33 PM
@BalarkaSen So, can we just take a specific $E$ ?? Only the extension $F<E$ is proper.
 
What specific E?
You can pick E = F(X)
If it is given that E < F(X) is proper, then the statement of the exercise is true, otherwise, as I have told you above, false.
 
@BalarkaSen Ok... and then $X$ is algebraic over $E$ because it is a root of $x-X \in F(X)$, right??
 
X is not algebraic.
Oh hey wait.
@MaryStar Whoops, I misread the problem.
Well, then @MaryStar, start by assuming that $X$ is not algebraic over $E$.
Then try to contradict that $F \subset E$ by finding a polynomial over $E$ one of the roots of which is $X$.
 
12:49 PM
@BalarkaSen There is no non-zero $f(x) \in E$ such that $f(X)=0$

$\exists g(x) \in F(X): g(X)=0: g(x)=x-X$

Do we have to show that $g(x) \in E[x]$ ??
 
@MaryStar What you're trying won't help you.
Use the hints I gave you.
 
@BalarkaSen Assuming that $X$ is not algebraic over $E$, doesn't mean that
There is no non-zero $f(x) \in E$ such that $f(X)=0$ ??

I am confused about how we could find a polynomial over $E$ one of the roots of which is $X$... :/
 
@MaryStar Yes. Well, you know that $F \subset E$. So pick an element $a \in F$, see what you can do with it.
Think about it.
 
1:12 PM
@BalarkaSen I don't really know how to use this $a \in F$... :/

Could we maybe use also the following??

Let $f(x) \in E \Rightarrow f(x) \in F(X) \Rightarrow f(x)=\frac{h(X)}{g(X)}$, where $G(X) \neq 0$, h,g \in F[x]$.

Or doesn't this help ??
 
1:51 PM
@Chris'ssis where?
 
@robjohn What do you mean?
 
@Chris'ssis robjohn means for which integral are you talking and where's the solution
 
@user153330 In any case, I can only show him my key privately. He knows that things are exactly as I say. I don't doubt that.
 
@Chris'ssis What do you mean?
holé @JasperLoy
 
@user153330 I mean I don't share some of my important findings with everybody.
 
1:57 PM
@Chris'ssis that's acceptable
 
@user153330 Is it? OK, nice to hear that ...
@JasperLoy how are you doing?
 
seems @JasperLoy ignored me sniff :'/
 
@Chris'ssis Very bad. Struggling with confusing thoughts.
@user153330 Sometimes, I have nothing to say.
 
@JasperLoy Eat some chocolate! It usually makes me feel better when I'm not in a great mood.
 
@JasperLoy you're still a banana or a mango?
 
1:59 PM
@Chris'ssis What I need is a miracle, not chocolate.
@user153330 You can take me to be a mango. I am going to eat now.
 
@JasperLoy you don't need a miracle, you're yourself a miracle, good appetite then
 
@robjohn I finish my proof in one line.
 
2:13 PM
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Q: Intuition behind the definition of the D'alambert operator

user193329D'Alambert defines his operator as $$\square^{2}=\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial t^{2}}-\nabla^{2}$$ My question is what is the intuition behind this definition? When I asked my professor this question he took his shotgun and shot 3 times while I was escaping the room, I was $\epsilon$ near a death....

^ quoting the question: "When I asked my professor this question he took his shotgun and shot 3 times while I was escaping the room, I was $\epsilon$ near a death...." lol
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@Huy: To respond quickly to your question. Covector field is a synonym for $1$-form. Even locally one cannot necessarily write a $1$-form (or covector field) as $df$. I think that was meant to be only an example. If you want to write pullback without any local coordinates, you do it by $(\varphi^*\omega)(p)(X_p) = \omega(\varphi(p))(d\varphi_p(X_p))$.
 
@robjohn OK, let me write you the key in private. :D
 
In the event that $\omega = df$, then, yes, $\varphi^*\omega = d(f\circ\varphi)$.
 
Hi everyone! First, my best wishes! I would like to ask a question about terminology. I would like to formally say that "we take the eigenanalysis of this covariance matrix". So, how should I express that? Should I write "By performing eigenanalysis on this ...", or what? Thanks a lot for your help!
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: Okay, thanks for your confirmation.
 
2:16 PM
@nullgeppetto: I've never heard or used that phrase. Perhaps, "By analyzing the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of this matrix ..."?
 
@robjohn are you on now?
 
@TedShifrin, thanks a lot! I might have directly translated the phrase from my native language. :)
 
Well, @nullgeppetto, I'm only offering one opinion :P
 
@TedShifrin, thanks for that!
 
@Chris'ssis yes
 
2:28 PM
@robjohn I sent you my way privately.
 
@Chris'ssis $\alpha^{2s+1}$ times the integral I got
 
@robjohn Yeap. Did you see my way?
 
@Chris'ssis no... let me look
 
@robjohn I cannot imagine something easier than that. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis where is your way?
 
2:31 PM
@robjohn I sent you a comment.
 
@Chris'ssis I saw that, but I don't see how you computed the integral. I used that same identity, but had to do some tricky integration by parts to get the integral
 
@robjohn Sorry??
 
@Chris'ssis I saw the one comment where you mention the integral for the beta function
 
I'll show you the whole way when I put things on paper. I thought everything is very clear.
@robjohn did you carefully read what I applied? ( I also used a variable change - I didn't mention it since it seemed clear)
@robjohn I'll show you my whole way as soon as I put it on latex.
 
@robjohn: It's clear that @Chris'ssis is keeping your mathematical brain cells well charged :)
 
2:47 PM
@TedShifrin How are you doing, btw? :-)
 
Getting classes going and some new students properly scared, @Chris'ssis. How're you?
 
@TedShifrin I imagined the day I'll publish my book ... I'll be so happy that day ... I'm still working on a lot of problems, trying to add to my book the best ones.
After that moment I'll take a break, maybe a longer one.
 
Writing a good book takes many years, unfortunately. Writing, reorganizing, rewriting, getting critiques, rewriting ...
 
@TedShifrin don't scare me with that plural "years"! :-) I see your point and I agree with that!
 
I spent several years on each of mine, no question.
 
2:53 PM
@TedShifrin The hardest part in my book will definitely be the way of explaining to the reader all I do, I mean explaining things in a very nice, lovely way such that all can be easily understood.
 
I would think that the organization of your book will take lots of trial and error. Do you organize by themes of problems, methods of solutions (probably more instructive), etc.
 
In general my proofs look completely different from what I use to post here. They are very nicely arranged and all English used is carefully considered. Yeah, sometimes I ask for help to be sure everything is fine.
 
Probably the publisher will need an editor to work on your English. And then you'll have to correct things that the editor messes up for not knowing enough math.
 
Sounds like fun
 
lol, that sounds fun, I hope it won't happen.
 
2:59 PM
@Studentmath !!
 
@Ted ! How're the scared students?
 

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