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8:00 AM
@Mike the proof itself is not too difficult to master - the hard part really is the toplogical background of it, where (especially the Jordan Curve theorem part) it is usually presented in a 'naive' way.
 
well, I don't actually know the proof :)
 
8:14 AM
It's really nice :) Are you taking toplogy right now, @Mike?
 
well, now it's summer, so I'm technically not taking anything
 
Lucky you
I'm taking three courses this summer 'vacation'. Are you doing masters or B.Sc, if I may ask?
 
I just finished my BS, graduated about a week ago now
I start grad school in a couple months
 
8:30 AM
Greetings
 
Hola folks
 
@Chris'ssis good morning.
@DavidKirby hello
 
@robjohn @DavidKirby Hi. How are you doing?
 
Feeling quite lovely tonight! Took my girlfriend's kid rock climbing today and am sore as hell, reading about divergent series and waiting for sleep to take hold. ;)
 
@robjohn what is the best way of editing a pdf using latex? I need to make such a pdf ...
 
8:35 AM
Wondering in particular about $1 − 2 + 3 − 4 + · · ·$ -- the wiki article is utterly confounding (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…)
 
@Chris'ssis You need to have the latex source for the PDF. Without Acrobat, I don't know how to turn a PDF into anything else.
 
@Chris's sis, Mathematica allows exporting as PDF, but it's not so good at importing Latex
 
@robjohn you mean I have this option in Acrobat, and I can edit a file using latex formulae? For example, I wanna write a proof that uses latex and put all in a pdf.
 
@Chris'ssis I am not sure into what form Acrobat can put a PDF, but as far as I know, Acrobat is the usual program for editing PDFs.
 
@robjohn OK, thanks.
@robjohn Did you manage to successfully use that limit for the integral we talked about?
I'll be back a bit later.
 
8:44 AM
@Chris'ssis No. I got taken away from my computer and just got back recently. I think it should produce something...
 
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9:04 AM
@robjohn Thanks for math.stackexchange.com/questions/171970/…, another question, in the the "Therefore," part do you identify the Real and Imaginiary part of $\int_0^\infty \frac{e^{ix}}{\sqrt x}dx$? how can you do so, since there is $\sqrt x$ in the denominator?
hmm x is real..
sorry I got lost in complex and real stuff
 
9:30 AM
Can somebody please solve this: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/818494/integral-int-0-infty-frac-sqrt-sqrt-alpha2x2-alpha-exp-big-bet

I even set a bounty on it but nobody answered. :(
 
10:15 AM
Hey everyone.
If matrix A is a square matrix. And A's characteristic polynomial is $p(t) = t^2 + 1$. It's not necessary true that A is non-singular right? Because, the eigenvalues are $i,-i$. and if dimA= 2 then A is a (2x2) matrix. and Thus, I can put in its non diagonal values values that will give a result that will make A a singular matrix, or even better, the zero matrix which is pure singular (Cuz its determinant is zero) @robjohn
@Studentmath ^^
Or I'm wrong and it the eigenvalues are $+i , -i$ then its determinant is $i* -i = 1$?
 
@Ilan I really don't recall it well enough to answer that
If you are still at it by the time I am done with this paper I will give it a thorough look
 
@Studentmath figured it out. my last sentence is correct.
 
@PranavArora Sorry, I got disconnected.
 
10:30 AM
Thought so :)
This is a nice one too: Find a configuration with a ring length 4, and each vertex inside of degree 5.
 
@robjohn btw, I work hard on $$\int_0^1 (\log(1-x) \log(x) \log(1+x))^2 \ dx$$
I also hope to find a way to finish the general case, that is $$\int_0^1 (\log(1-x) \log(x) \log(1+x))^n \ dx$$
@r9m this morning I created some hyper amazing (if I can call them like that) cubic multiseries.
 
10:49 AM
It's also extremely hard
 
@Sawarnik: Ok. :)
@Chris'ssis: From where do you get these kind of integrals? They are crazy hard. :3
 
@PranavArora They are created by me.
 
Woah! :O
Very nice. :)
 
Thanks! :-)
 
Its fun to work on them but I am usually never able to reach any answer. :P
 
10:53 AM
Try this one - Prove that

$$\int_0^1 (\log(1-x) \log(1+x))^2 \, dx=8 \log(2) \zeta(3)+8\log(2)\zeta(2)+\log^4(2)+12\log^2(2)-\zeta(4)-8\zeta(3)-4\log^2(2) \zeta(2)-8\zeta(2)-4\log^3(2)-24\log(2)+24 $$
 
What the..? :O
That result looks scary. :3
 
@PranavArora It's cute.
 
cute? lol but I will try this. :3
 
@PranavArora Only let me know how you start here. (when you try it)
 
Sure, I will. :)
 
r9m
10:59 AM
@Chris'ssis Great !! :D
 
Is it even possible..
 
Anyway.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis I was just afk for a while and I find (removed) and (removed) ? :P .. unfair :P btw did you see G.T.R's Integral Inequality problem ?
 
Any graph-theory lads/topologists lurking around? Need some planar guidance
 
@r9m It was not a problem posted. No, I didn't see it.
 
r9m
11:11 AM
20 hours ago, by G.T.R
@r9m another out-of-the-blue integral inequality... Let $f\in C^1([0,\pi], \mathbb R) $ such that $\int_0^\pi f=0$. Prove that $\forall x\in [0,1], |f(x) |\leq\sqrt{\frac{\pi}3 \int_0^\pi {f'}^2}$
 
@r9m That seems cute.
 
@Chris'ssis: Can you please look at this one too: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/818494/integral-int-0-infty-frac-sqrt-sqrt-alpha2x2-alpha-exp-big-bet

I am scratching my head from days but I am unable to come up with anything. :(
 
@PranavArora I think that requires some work.
@r9m are you done with it?
 
@Chris'ssis: Please let me know if you solve this. :)

Even after a bounty on this one, nobody answered it.
 
@PranavArora OK. These days I work on a certain family of integrals, like the one above. After that, if an idea come to mind, I'll let you know.
 
11:18 AM
@Chris'ssis: Sure. Thanks a lot. :)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis Almost :-) ..
 
@r9m Nice. You seem a master at these questions. :D
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis Don't tease me :P
 
@r9m The inequalities are again an art where one needs to work a lot to become good. They are fantastic too. (although I didn't work too much on this area in the last period of time)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis Agreed !! (except the thing inside the brackets .. I can't imagine what will become if you work 'too much' on something :P)
that topic might just explode :P
 
11:30 AM
@r9m The truth around the subject is painful ... (when I'm asked how I mananged to learn things I do now, I try to avoid the answer - I wouldn't like to discourage anyone)
(referring to the bit of knowledge I have)
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis why do you avoid answering that ? :o If I may ask ..
 
@r9m It's about a crazy amount of work, sacrifice ...
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis No one becomes really good at something in particular without sacrificing something else .. imho :)
 
Ach-so, posted on the mains, maybe someone will have an insight there
 
@r9m That's true. The point is the more you learn the more you realize you know so little and want more and more.
 
r9m
11:38 AM
@Chris'ssis :D true !!
 
Just think about: you do 50 years of math (supposing) and then you're put down by an inequality (that is not that hard) ... or any other problem. I mean you need to be powerful enough to face this reality.
There is so much stuff around!
For instance, to understand me well, if I only think of a certain type of integral family I might create hundreds of questions, and each one with its trick (of course). Everything is so vast, immense ... in this area.
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis So is it that you would like to possess the knowledge of all that is there to know about what you like ?!
(not sure if I made any sense there)
 
@r9m I got your point, but I don't have an answer yet. :-)
 
12:09 PM
@r9m Surely, too much knowledge would kill the mystery, but the mystery plays an important role in our life. Probably life would be boring without any mystery. ;)
IMO
 
r9m
My thoughts are steeped in darkness .. I follow lord Orochimaru's path :P (rofl)
 
12:27 PM
@r9m rofl or roflew? (rolling on floor laughing whilst eating waffles) :-)))
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis haha ... thats new .. never heard that one b4 :P .. roflew
bbl :)
 
1:27 PM
Hey all. Would love to get some help here: math.stackexchange.com/questions/842614/orthonormals-v1-v2
 
@IlanAizelmanWS The determinant of $A$ is $1$ since the determinant of a matrix is its characteristic polynomial evaluated at $0$. If its determinant is non-zero, a matrix is non-singular.
@Chris'ssis I bet those will all be workable using the identity I mentioned. I still have not worked on them since I chose to go to sleep last night :-)
 
@robjohn you mean the whole family (for all $n$)?
 
@Chris'ssis Ah... I am not sure on those... I see there are three logs in there... it should work for two logs $(\log(1+x)\log(1-x))$
@Chris'ssis I will have to consider the ones with an extra $\log(x)$ in there
 
@robjohn OK :-)
 
@Chris'ssis Seeing your answer to this integral, I am sure that my method gives something like that :-)
a sum of many parts looking like that
 
1:36 PM
@robjohn :D
 
@Chris'ssis I should hunker down and compute it...
 
@robjohn I think there is some work to do though ....
 
1:47 PM
Yo
 
@robjohn Got it figured out. Mind taking a look here? math.stackexchange.com/questions/842614/…
@Studentmath How you doing brotha? (:
 
Mmmmmmmmm
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Q: How do you integrate the reciprocal of square root of cosine?

user157130I encountered this integral in physics and got stuck. $$\int_{0}^{\Large\frac{\pi}{2}} \dfrac{d\theta}{\sqrt{\cos \theta}}.$$

Why does no one bother to mention the relation to the arithmetic geometric mean?
It is the sole most efficient way to compute the elliptic integrals.
$$\int_{0}^{\pi/2} \dfrac{\mathrm{d}\theta}{\sqrt{\cos \theta}}=\sqrt{2} K\left(\frac{1}{2}\right) = \frac{\pi}{\sqrt{2}M(1-\bar{k},1+\bar{k})}$$
Where $\bar{k}=1/k$. Not sure if it is a better way to write it, but it converges hella fast.
 
2:20 PM
Meh, the above is wrong. Not sure how to remove it
 
@N3buchadnezzar what needs to be fixed?
 
@robjohn $f:[0,\infty)\to\mathbb{R}$ is a strictly increasing function such that $f(f(x))=x^2+2$, then how can we disprove (or prove) that $f(3)$ is the same for all possible solutions of $f$?
One thing I have deduced is that $f(x)>x$.
 
2:35 PM
@robjohn Everything :p
 
Can anyone help me with the above problem!
It seems easy but is troubling me.
 
@Hippalectryon Its the same actually :D
 
@Sawarnik Well, more advanced :)
It's not just about $f(x)=3$
It's about solving $ f(f(x))=x^2−2$
 
@Hippalectryon Oh, I see. There is another related problem out here!
Do you ideas for this one? :D
Lack of an explicit example is hurting me badly!
 
2:45 PM
No idk :/
 
3:02 PM
If $ \{v_1\}^\bot = \{v_2\}^\bot $ , does it mean that $ \{v_1\} = \{v_2\} $ ? Which means that I can also write it as $Sp(v_1) = Sp(v_2)$ which I can say that $\{v1,v2\}$ are linearly dependent?
@Hippalectryon @robjohn @TedShifrin
 
I'm downvoted again ... What's wrong with this question? math.stackexchange.com/questions/153425/…
 
3:17 PM
@Ilan difficult but will be fine.
I think it's true regarding the span, not sure if the vectors are actually equal but their spans should be equal, yes
Don't take anything I say for granted though :)
 
3:40 PM
What is a clean way to find an orthogonal vector for a given Vector3D?
axis = fromVector.IsParallelTo(UnitVector3D.XAxis, 0.1)
    ? fromVector.CrossProduct(UnitVector3D.YAxis)
    : fromVector.CrossProduct(UnitVector3D.XAxis);
I'm doing ^ now but it is a dirty hack
 
4:31 PM
@JohanLarsson what do you mean, normalize a given vector?
 
@EnjoysMath i meant that, asked before I googled :)
 
@JohanLarsson what about saying your vector is (x,y,z) and the dot product with say (-z,0,x) is $0$ ?
 
if (-X - Y > 0.1)
{
    return new UnitVector3D(Z, Z, -X - Y);
}
return new UnitVector3D(-Y - Z, X, X);
 
that's more than orthogonal, that's orthonormal
 
4:34 PM
what's the code for?
 
general purpose math stuff
Hoping these guys will accept it
 
returning a fixed formula for a perpendicular vector when there are $\infty$ many to choose doesn't seem general
usually you pass in two vectors and return their cross product
 
@EnjoysMath I was creating a rotation matrix to rotate a vector from one to another, this was for the case that they were opposite direction, there are probably nicer ways to do it
 
@Ted hello
 
Hi @GTR
 
4:39 PM
@Ted did you hear the complaints about how hard the baccalauréat is this year ?
 
Nope ... Are you complaining?
 
@Ted no, I'm laughing
 
Ah :)
Who's complaining?
 
on a scale of 1 to 10, how hard would you rate this for senior high schoolers ? youscribe.com/catalogue/tous/education/…
the lousy students who took the exam are the ones complaining. Their arguments are: 1. they weren't prepared for the topics covered in the test 2. their calculators couldn't help this time 3. the claims about complex numbers were too hard to prove
 
I'm not so sure how most of our college students would do. :(
 
4:45 PM
@G.T.R You never know, point 1. may be valid.
Hi @Ted, how's things?
 
Hi @DanielF
 
Erm.. the first 5 points looks like somnething that would ammount to 1% in our high-school final test.. @G.T.R Hey prof. @Ted
 
@DanielFischer Remember to ask about how stuff is going as well.
 
These days students expect to be given the test questions ahead ... Preferably with solutions to memorize.
 
Hi, @N3buchadnezzar. Stuff can look after itself, it's old enough for that.
 
4:47 PM
@TedShifrin exactly
 
Hi @Studentmath
 
@TedShifrin They all want to study medicine?
 
That's where the money is, @DanielF
 
I still consider doing that.. cough
 
@DanielFischer it's a national exam with very well defined curriculum. There's no way 20000 students out of 150000 didn't cover it
 
4:48 PM
Money, bah. What about fun?
 
@DanielFischer "yes.but it is a topology homework.pls help me in writing this solution"
What a kind and thankful OP
 
lol
 
More than can be said of you, @Mike :D
 
@DanielFischer In your job, would you prefer to be paid in fun or money?
 
@TedShifrin now you're starting to sound like me ;-)
hi btw
 
4:51 PM
Hell no @skull
 
@N3buchadnezzar In my opinion, if you don't have fun at your job, you need to quit immediately. (it's about the quality of your life that is much more than the whole money in the world)
 
It is a difference in enjoyment and fun
 
@Chris'ssis fun vs bills ?
 
@G.T.R Both.
@G.T.R Luckily, in all I did I had a lot of fun.
 
@Chris'ssis could you please rewrite that?
 
5:04 PM
@skullpatrol Why? :-)
 
@Chris'ssis does it sound understandable to you?
 
@skullpatrol I understand my English. :D
 
grammatically
I did I had?
 
@skullpatrol Luckily, I've had a lot of fun in all activities I've been involved so far. Does it sound better?
 
@Chris'ssis much better, thank you :-)
 
5:06 PM
@skullpatrol :D
 
@skullpatrol Probably a comma would be appropriate, "in all I did, I had a lot of fun".
 
:D
just a friendly suggestion
 
@robjohn I've just obtained some Ramanujan-like results ... :-) Just WOW
 
@DanielFischer I would rewrite it as "in all, I did have a lot of fun".
or "in all, I did, I had a lot of fun"
 
5:23 PM
@skullpatrol "in gollywonkers, I had a lot of fun", where "gollywonkers = all I did".
 
@DanielFischer what's Wart in German? I'm trying to make sense of the word Gegenwart ?
 
@G.T.R spot
 
@Chris'ssis to what?
 
@G.T.R It's not a word of itself [well, there is a word "Wart", which means something like warden or keeper, as in Torwart, but that's something different]. "Gegenwart" is the present. Now, this day and age.
 
@robjohn It's about some integrals I created these days.
 
5:27 PM
@DanielFischer it just doesn't sound right to me...
...I get the idea, but it sounds weird.
dunno why
 
@DanielFischer OK.I can understand Vergangenheit, but what about Zukunft ?Is it like zu+kommen (what is to come) ?
 
@G.T.R The "wart" in "Gegenwart" is a variant of "wärts", which is a suffix indicating direction. The details are hairy, and mostly beyond me and my etymological lexicon.
 
Anyone have some place with a nice proof for 'every planar configuration having ring size 4 is reducible'? I've seen a few, wonder if there are more
 
@G.T.R Right, "kunft" is derived from "kommen" (also: Ankunft), Zukunft is that which is to come, was kommen wird.
 
what is the parent language of German?
like Latin is to English
 
5:35 PM
@skullpatrol Grunting.
 
@DanielFischer is it more colloquial to say "wohin gehst du" or "wo gehst du hin" ?
 
5:56 PM
Can analysis limits be done using abstract algebra limits, or is it just a coincidence of terminology?
 
@G.T.R I've never met the second form.
 
sigh any topologists or graph theorists lurking around? There is a certain proof I don't quite get
 
6:15 PM
@Chris'ssis I sort of assumed that :-)
 
hi @robjohn, @Chris'ssis, @Studentmath, resalut @GTR, @DanielF
 
@TedShifrin Hi :-)
 
Hey @Ted
 
@Studentmath You should ask Ted, he'll be the first to call himself a topologist
 
um, no he won't
 
6:19 PM
;D
 
:P It's the darned 4CT
trying the simplest part of it and I can't get the proof..
 
@Alyosha: What do you mean by abstract algebra limits? direct and inverse limits of groups/rings, etc.?
 
4CT @Studentmath?
I remember the proof of 5CT sorta.
 
@Ted can you make sense of "Heimlich nachts in der Kirche sein ist unheimlich unheimlich"?
 
Is it from a song, @GTR?
 
6:24 PM
@Ted no
 
@Chris'ssis I don't see where the formula for $T_1+T_2+\dots+T_n$ comes from.
 
Well, if you asked @DanielF, I'm sure not going to try
 
it's like a math riddle though
 
nights in church is a math riddle?
 
6:32 PM
@G.T.R Secretly being in the church in the night is very eerie.
 
@DanielFischer What if that's one's job?
 
@G.T.R "Wohin gehst Du" is more common, but there's a subtle difference between the two. "Wohin gehst Du" is [usually, unless with particular emphasis] just a casual enquiry. "Wo gehst Du hin" really wants an answer.
@MikeMiller If that's one's job, is it secretly?
 
@DanielFischer Sure, perhaps one is an assassin, or a spy. Certainly these are not pleasant jobs but that doesn't make them eerie.
 
@MikeMiller How do you know being an assassin is not pleasant?
6
 
Ya @MikeMiller how do you know?
 
6:40 PM
Didn't you know how @Mike put himself through school, @DanielF?
 
@DanielFischer ah, thanks for the explanation
 
@Mike 4 colour theorem. It is controversial, but it holds
 
@Studentmath Wanna see the solution to the $K_{n,n}$ thingy?
Maybe you can point out a mistake. =P
 
mr @Pedro !
 
I just try to show that if it has a ring of size at most 4, it can't be non-4-colourable, have the proof but I don't get few parts..
@Pedro Yes!
 
6:43 PM
@Studentmath OK, just a second.
 
@DanielFischer is unheimlich some swear like goddamn or is it just really ?
 
@Studentmath OK.
 
@Pedro yes
 
@G.T.R It's just a reinforcing word, if something is very, really very, X, it is "unheimlich X". X may be good or bad, doesn't matter. [And of course, it has its original meaning, eerie, frightening, ...]
 
The case $n=1$ is trivial, so suppose $n>1$.
 
r9m
6:47 PM
@G.T.R I just saw the inequality you posted in the main .. :-) math110 sure knows his/her math !
 
First, I will show that for each $v\in G$, $\# N(v)$ has at most $n$ elements.
 
@r9m haha it's deus ex machina
 
@DanielF: hence the unheimlich$^2$.
 
r9m
@G.T.R what does this phrase mean .. 'deus ex machina' ? :)
 
@Studentmath Choose $v\in G$.
Since for $n>1$, $2n-1<n^2$, there is $w_1\notin N(v)$.
Suppose for the sake of a contradiction that $N(v)$ has more than $n$ elements, call them $\{v_1,\ldots,v_k\}$.
 
6:50 PM
@Pedro so far so good
 
Grrmbl. Some dork just downvoted one of my answers. Of course without comment :(
 
Let $w_1,\ldots,w_{\ell-1},v=w_{\ell}$ be the remaning vertices.
Then $k+\ell=2n$. Since $k>n$, $\ell<n$.
 
@r9m way back in time, it was a theatrical phenomenon where the king/god appeared out of nowhere. iirc it happens in Le Cid by Corneille. Nowadays, it's the same as out-of-thin-air
 
Since $G$ has no triangles, $N(v_i)\subseteq \{w_1,\ldots,w_{\ell}\}$ for each $i$.
 
Why G has no Triangles?
 
6:51 PM
That's the hypothesis.
 
r9m
@G.T.R ah .. okay :)
 
Oh right, yes, go on.
 
$G$ has $2n$ vertices, $n^2$ edges and no triangles.
Now I claim that to maximize the number of edges we can place, we cannot connect any $w_i$ with each other.
 
It's happening to lots of us, @DanielF, although, to be honest, one of my recent answers probably deserved a downvote or two. But if someone knows the right way to do it, I'm all ears. Any ideas?
 
@Pedro makes sense, but do you/can you elaborate?
 
6:53 PM
If we connect two $w_i$s, the condition gives at most $\ell$ edges out of both of them, while if we don't, we have $2\ell$ edges.
But if we don't connect any, we still have at most $\ell(n-\ell)<n^2$ edges.
 
@r9m I think I'm going to ask the inequality about $\srqt{\frac{\pi}{3}}\int_0^\pi$ on main because your solution deserves some rep and there might be other as well (i'll post the fourier series method also)
 
Of course we cannot connect any $v_i$ together either, so what we get is a $K_{\ell,k}$, my point is.
So every vertex as at most $n$ nbhds.
I guess the point here is that $K_{n,n}$ maximizes edgewise a graph with no triangles and $2n$ vertices among $K_{\ell,k}$ with $\ell+k=2n$.
 
Just came to say Hi :)
 
@Pedro yes, which is the explanation of what feels intutively correct
 
@TedShifrin Not sure. If you look at the level curves $f^{-1}(c)$ for small $c > 0$, you have two closed Jordan curves winding around the minima (plus possibly some curves elsewhere). If you let $c$ grow, at some point the level curves must touch, but then the level set isn't a submanifold, so there must be a critical point of $f$ where they meet. But making that precise, I imagine to be a nightmare.
 
6:57 PM
Well, now since the sum of the nbhds cardinalities is $2n^2$ and we have $2n$ nbhds, there is a nbhd with at least $n$ elements.
 
The issue, @DanielF, as I started to realize and someone pointed out today, is that we might have $f$ not proper, even without introducing other critical points.
 
r9m
@G.T.R Well I'll try to post my approach last in that case :-) (also added a non-outta the blue solution to your inequality =P )
 
So we have found a nbhd with exactly $n$ elements, and WLOG it can be $v$'s nbhd, @Studentmath. Hence $k=n$, $\ell=n$.
 
@Pedro really nice, really nice use of the induction as well
@Pedro it seems to me flawless, will go over again but can't think of any faulty
 
@Studentmath Well, but it isn't finished now is it?
 

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