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4:00 PM
my friends form South Pacifics are already wishing Happy New Year ! ^^ ..
 
It just turned 2015 here.
 
well, @Jasper, I'll wish you the happiest 2015 possible
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@TedShifrin Thank you.
 
@JasperLoy happy new year
 
Agreed
 
4:16 PM
you too everyone
 
likewise, @Jorge
 
How's your day, @Ted
Also hi @JM
 
good morning @mike
 
goofing off, going into ATL, @Mike
heya @JMoravitz
 
Can't imagine why you'd do that
 
4:24 PM
well, have to see my mom in the nursing home ... but then going to friends' for the late evening
 
why he'd goof off? or why he'd go into the city?
 
right @JM :D
 
The latter
 
There's plenty good to do in the city if you know where to look. Our school offers student season passes to the museums and theatres. Free admission to the playhouse, though its last choice in seating.
 
Given any two continuous functions $f, g : S^1 \to S^1$ are they always homotopic?
 
4:28 PM
Very NO @Robert
 
I know they're not path-homotopic, but wasn't sure what happens when I remove that hypothesis
thanks!
I don't know why I said that. Of course they're not path homotopic since they're not paths... :/
 
@TedShifrin can u give an example?
 
of what, bananas?
 
two paths $f,g: [0,1] \to S^1$ that are not homotopic
 
actually, they are: $[0, 1]$ is contractible and $S^1$ is path connected.
so $f \simeq g$ always.
 
4:32 PM
unless you require endpoints fixed :P
 
Just not path-connected necessarily, and that follows from the fact that the fundamental group is non trivial
my question was about $f, g : S^1 \to S^1$ being homotopic.
 
@TedShifrin would this be a homotopy? $H(s,t) = \frac{ (1-t)f(s) + t g(s) }{\| (1-t)f(s) + t g(s) \|}$
 
But you might be dividing by $0$ ...
 
tru dat
it'll do the job if $f(s) \neq - g(s)$
 
@RobertCardona Remember: two elements of $\pi_1(X)$ are freely homotopic if and only if they're conjugate. As a corollary, if $\pi_1(X)$ is abelian, two elements are freely homotopic iff they're basepoint-homotopic.
 
4:37 PM
@MikeMiller, so I was saying $f, g : I \to S^1$ are freely homotopic (which I tend to call just homotopic) but they are not basepoint-homotopic (which I call path-homotopic)?
 
OK, we're using the terms differently. Let me be careful here. Two maps $f,g: X \to Y$ are (freely) homotopic if there's a map $X \times I \to Y$ that restricts to $f$ and $g$ on $X \times 0$ and $X \times 1$.
Now let $(X,x), (Y,y)$ be pointed spaces. Two pointed maps, that is maps with $f(x)=y$ and $g(x)=y$, are basepoint-homotopic if there's a map $f_t: X \times I \to Y$ such that $f_0 = f, f_1 = g$ and $f_t(x)=y$.
You can generalize this to work with $I$, but the key here is that I'm choosing a basepoint on the circle (and on the space)
The only interesting thing to do with $I$ is to fix both endpoints and homotope that way. (Otherwise, because $I$ is contractible, you can just suck everything down to its basepoint.)
 
That seems to agree with my understanding.
 
You're correct that any two maps $I \to S^1$ are freely homotopic. If you demand that the homotopies fix eg $f(0)$, then every map $I \to S^1$ with $g(0)=f(0)$ is homotopic.
If you demand that the homotopies also fix $f(0)$ and $f(1)$ you get plenty that are not homotopic.
 
What about $f, g : S^1 \to S^1$?
That was my original question. I never came across this, surprisingly, when I took a class in algebraic topology, but it came up in a problem I was looking at this morning.
 
(I get the distinct feeling that I should be taking notes on this conversation)
 
4:43 PM
That's what I was talking about earlier. One calculates the fundamental group $\pi_1(S^1,1) = \Bbb Z$. So there are plenty of different non-basepoint-homotopic maps to $S^1$.
It's a general fact - not hard to prove - that elements of $\pi_1(X,x_0) are freely homotopic iff they're conjugate in $\pi_1$.
Because $\pi_1(S^1)$ is abelian, elements are conjugate if and only if they're equal; so two (basepointed) maps are homotopic iff they're basepoint homotopic.
 
Ok! Thanks. I'll have to digest this a little and work through the details!
@MikeMiller, the problem came up here
 
hi @anorton
yes, @JM, there will be a quiz :)
 
Well, I say that since I will be taking algebraic topology in the spring, so I'm trying to watch through youtube lectures on the fundamental group to try to get a head start
 
@JMoravitz, wildbergers?
 
yes, currently
 
4:52 PM
I did exactly the same thing before my class started.
they were at a much lower level, but were good for building intuition.
 
who's teaching it, @JM?
 
he had a few nice puzzles.
 
Dr. John Etnyre
 
ah, good guy
 
yes. I had several opportunities to talk with him over the past semester and during my application process.
 
4:54 PM
Hello folks
 
salut, pourjour
 
@TedShifrin ça va?
 
oui, merci, et toi?
 
ça va bien merçi
I have a question about calculating the rank of a matrix
 
I do not have the answers
 
4:56 PM
So don't ask @Mike
 
hahahaha
 
Don't ask me either, je ne parles pas français
 
He'll have to know the answers next quarter, as he's teaching it :P
 
@JMoravitz mais je parle anglais
 
John Roe's winding number book should come out this coming year, @Ted. Final manuscript's due 4/1. I guess I'll have a new book to recommend.
 
4:57 PM
Winding number book? Be more specific, @Mike.
 
The book that John roe is writing on the winding number, based on his course about the winding number.
It's titled "Winding around". I doubt I can offer much more specificity.
 
remind me always to be so helpful when you ask me questions
 
So, about that matrix rank calculation @pourjour,
 
I'm just confused
 
his website isn't exactly informative, @Mike ... In some sense, Guillemin and Pollack is that book :P
about what, @pourjour?
 
5:00 PM
Well, I can't tell you the table of contents, since I don't have 'em. Topics I remember from the course: the fundamental group, Toeplitz operators, Gauss-Bonnet, and Bott periodicity.
 
yeah, not sure how he makes this readable to an undergraduate audience, @Mike ...
 
if we want to calculate the rank, do we have the right to echelon by columns and lines or we must choose from beginning one way to do that?
 
it's traditional to do just one or the other, @pourjour, but one can prove it's ok to do both
 
@TedShifrin and then the number of no zero lines or column is the rank
 
He did it once, @Ted
 
5:02 PM
I don't think people like you qualify as an undergraduate audience, @Mike
 
The class was taken by a large mixture of people. I was but one.
 
yes, @pourjour, and the number of nonzero rows and number of nonzero columns agree
I have had plenty of undergraduates who excelled at my graduate differential geometry course, @Mike. That didn't make the course an undergraduate course or a course accessible to most undergraduates.
But I'll be curious to see his book (if one can still find books somewhere without buying them)
 
Yes, but this was explicitly not a graduate course. Grad students would have felt talked down to.
 
@TedShifrin what book are u talkin about?
 
Depends on the grad students, @Mike. We have plenty of graduate students who are several years behind our star undergraduates.
 
5:05 PM
It doesn't exist yet, @iwriteonbananas
 
Also, @Ted, I wouldn't say I was particularly good then...
 
OK, I need to eat lunch and get going ... Y'all have a wonderful New Years Eve.
 
Bye.
 
5:06 PM
Its about that time for me as well
 
u2 ted
 
Well, @Mike, I know your classmate who's a grad student here very well.
be good, bananas :)
see ya in the new year, @JM
 
I guess you frequently tennis with him.
 
well, not so frequently
but his office is across the hall from mine
ok, outta here
 
Another classmate of mine is finishing his masters at KState, hoping to get into LA to do analysis... wish him luck.
 
5:07 PM
In this example if we calculate the number of nozero rows we get n but for nozero columns we get 2
 
You're asking why the rank is 2?
 
yes why 2 and not n
 
The rank is the same as the maximum number of linearly independent columns of your matrix.
All but two of them are zero. So it can't be more than 2.
But the 2 leftover are linearly independent.
 
why we could not calculate thee rank using rows?
ok I understand the number of independent rows is also 2
 
It's the same. Pick your favorite.
 
5:16 PM
I'm curious but if we have no square matrix?
 
I deleted that. It was wrong, it works for every matrix.
 
ok thanks ;)
 
5:34 PM
Bonne année @MikeMiller @pourjour !!!
 
@evinda Merçi, je vous souhaite à toi aussi une merveilleuse année :-D
 
@pourjour Merci beaucoup!!!
 
5:51 PM
@TedShifrin Bonne année à toi aussi
 
$$\Huge\sf{HAPPY\ \, NEW \ \, YEAR!!!}$$
 
@Gato oui en MP
 
Bonne année @LeGrandDODOM
Happy New Year @robjohn
 
@Gato Je ne connais pas de livre de cours d'algèbre linéaire, mais si tu cherches des exos, je te conseille les Oraux X ens algèbre 1 et 2
@evinda Merci, toi aussi
 
@LeGrandDODOM tu es d'ou?
 
5:55 PM
de Paris
 
@LeGrandDODOM tu fais les classes prepas?
 
oui,en MP
 
@LeGrandDODOM ahh bon
 
et toi @pourjour ?
 
:19321827 hahaha c'est quoi le probleme de ton language, au moins essayer to rectifier un peu
@LeGrandDODOM moi aussi je suis en MP
 
5:59 PM
@user153330 wtf ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM je veux ton conseil concernant les livres pour preparer les maths notamment les evn ou si tu connais un site web sera mieux
 
@pourjour t'es en MP info ou SI ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM oui je le connais deja mais il ne donne pas des solutions precise
@LeGrandDODOM c'est quoi la difference?
 
@pourjour bah, tu fais option info ou option SI ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM on n'a de difference en deuxieme annee ici au Maroc mais on balaye les deux
 
6:03 PM
Ah d'accord. Tu connais Moulay Youssef ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM oui
@LeGrandDODOM y'a des marocains la bas de moulay youssef?
 
6:18 PM
@evinda Happy New Year! I assume it is 1 January there... We still have over 13 hours left of 2014 here.
 
Aha @robjohn We have 4 hours left :)
 
@evinda I was about to look to see if you are on the chat map.
 
@robjohn In which country are there still 13 hours left? :/
 
@evinda on the west coast of the US
Hawaii has even more; over 16 hours.
 
Aha! @robjohn
 
6:22 PM
@robjohn is it even cold where you are ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM last night it was in the 30s (Fahrenheit)
 
that's decent cold ;)
 
@LeGrandDODOM In France?
 
Nah, I mean -1°C in California
 
can anyone find for me the book asymptopia
?
 
6:26 PM
@LeGrandDODOM the high today is supposed to be around 54°F
@LeGrandDODOM It was the mid 30s. I don't think it got below 0°C
 
Einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr @DanielFischer!!!
 
@LeGrandDODOM do you think my french is bad?
 
@user153330 pure gibberish, I wonder if you were trolling though
 
@LeGrandDODOM sorry to hear that, cause i learned my french using the book "french for dummies" and my english using the book "L'Anglais pour les nuls"
 
@robjohn 54°F ? you lucky guys
 
6:30 PM
@LeGrandDODOM ça marche, j'irai voir ça. Tu fêtes pas nouvel an ?
 
@Gato bof bof. Tu fais quelque chose de spécial ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM Oui je vais à Bruxelles : festival fucking new year's EVE
 
@user153330 what you wrote was phonetically correct, but the grammar and writing was nonsensical
 
@robjohn Do you have any idea for this question?
@LeGrandDODOM Tu prépares l'X ?
 
@LeGrandDODOM to say the words of truth, i have a french friend on facebook, i told him to write some sentences in french so that i can make as if i'm communicating with you but he was unfortunately smarter
 
6:33 PM
@Gato amuse toi bien :)
@Gato oui
 
Merci bien! Oh ça doit être chaud donc, c'est pas facile l'X @LeGrandDODOM.
 
2015 = 5 * 13 * 31: fun fact of the day!
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Definitely remember that if you do math contests.
 
Happy New Year, fellow Indians...
 
Also, 2015 is a Lucas-Carmichael number: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1086283/…
 
@Everyone $$\Huge\color{green}{\sf{HAPPY\ \, NEW \ \, YEAR!!!}}$$
 
6:37 PM
@user153330 Thanks! :D
 
What is the point in closing questions
math.stackexchange.com/questions/1085955/… "oh no, he might get an answer unless we close it"
The question is well formed!
 
@user153330 Happy new year!!!
 
@AlecTeal so that they don't have an answer , when you close a question you consider it to be unsuitable for stackexchange and unworthy of answering
 
Yeah but why was that closed!
Even without the picture it's well formed! And I got an answer - then it was closed!
 
@evinda Hoho! thhanks! happy new year!! best wishes for ya : )
@AlecTeal it's because of this: "How about you wait with posting the question until you can post something that makes sense? " anyway i gave you an upvote : )
 
6:41 PM
It does make sense, I describe the symbol and give a precise location of it!
 
Do you study elliptic curves? @user153330
 
I got an answer, a good answer!
 
@AlecTeal hope people vote to unclose it : )
 
It doesn't matter now, I got an answer.
But geeze!
 
Happy New Year from India :D
 
6:43 PM
@evinda no, only elliptic integrals
 
Aha nice :) @user153330
 
@user153330 Do you make the master?
 
@evinda only undergrad
 
Aha
 
6:46 PM
@user153330 Ah, do you know what this year reminds me of? (you can guess because I've been talking about this year for more than 2 years and I've been thinking about it for more than 13, some people have been thinking about it for 30 years!!)
 
@Nick of course, that's obvious,
FACT of the day: $$\left(\frac{1}{10^5} \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty e^{-n^2/10^{10}}\right)^2 \approx \pi$$ holds to over 42 billion digits
 
@user153330 Very obvious ;)
 
@Nick the formula is obvious $\iff$ you know poisson summation
 
@user153330 Sounds poisonous. Nah, I've only heard about it.
 
@Nick \o/
 
6:57 PM
$$\Huge \color{red}{\mathcal{H4ppy}}\ \color{blue}{\Bbb N3\omega}\ \color{green}{\Xi\epsilon\alpha\Bbb R}$$
Dang, I intended $\Psi$
$$\Huge \color{red}{\mathcal{H4\vec\rho\vec\rho y}}\ \color{blue}{\Bbb N3\omega}\ \color{green}{\Psi\epsilon\alpha\Bbb R}$$
 
mathfraky lol
 
Eh, good enough. I no longer have a $\LaTeX$ thumb. My new year resolution is to not do anything about it.
 
@evinda Danke, desgleichen.
 
Funfact about $13$: $$\text{rev}(13)^2 = \text{rev}(13^2)$$ where $\text{rev}(ab\cdots xy) := yx\cdots ba$
Now, if only I had some interesting fact about $5$ to go along with that.
Um 5 & 13 are Wilson primes... Nah, not good enough.
@DanielFischer: Congratulations on becoming a mod! :) I voted for you as my first choice !
 
@Nick Thanks.
 
7:11 PM
@Nick is there a name for numbers with that property? that $\text{rev}(x)^2 = \text{rev}(x^2)$?
 
@JMoravitz I declare them "squalindromes".
 
@JMoravitz I just made that function up right now. I can write that function using a for loop in a programming language such as Javascript, C++, python, etc but I don't know how to mathematically define it. Any ideas?
 
@DanielFischer You thank him for that?
 
there are clearly other examples other than 13. 103, for example, in fact, $10^k+3$ for $k\geq 1$ should work as well
 
@MikeMiller If politicians didn't thank their voters for the opportunity to serve them, how just would it be?
 
7:15 PM
@MikeMiller Well, that may have been a sarcastic "thanks", we'll see in a couple of months.
 
@Nick I think Daniel might object to being called a politician.
 
you could define it using a sum of floors of negative powers of 10 times the number ranging from 0 to the log base 10 of the number, but it seems rather contrived
 
I, of course, am not Daniel.
(just in case you forgot)
 
@DanielFischer Vielen Dank!!!!!!!!!!
 
@JMoravitz I've intuited that along some lines but still, are you familiar with any function that spits out the reverse of a number?
 
7:16 PM
not one that works for arbitrary number of digits
 
@MikeMiller Are you reffering to some inside joke where I had once confused you for Daniel? If so, I don't remember it and hence it isn't that funny.
 
No. But it's already not funny, so I won't explain.
 
@MikeMiller I never called Daniel a politician, as far as you know I was sharing a moral question that could have been totally disattached from any reference to Daniel.
 
That's a politician's answer.
:)
 
(I'd make a great lawyer.)
Too bad I have the memory capacity that's a million times smaller than the lifespan of a monarch butterfly.
 
7:21 PM
Does a monarch butterfly live a hundred million years?
 
@MikeMiller Don't stick my previous statement in any equation. It's a hyperbole where the monarch butterfly's lifespan (2-6 weeks) is a reference to a small quantity. Otherwise, that statement is dimensionally inconsistant as I'd be equating neural capacity with time.
 
@Nick it seems it lives much longer than that.
If it is born in Octoberish, it lives up to 8 months
 
@Studentmath It depends on the butterfly and the time of year. I was reffering to the most popular monarchs, the summer breeders.
 
Well they enjoy the summer
They know no winter
 
Well, Nick, I hope you see a doctor about your attention span. If it's that short it is likely caused by a serious illness of one form or another.
 
7:29 PM
@MikeMiller What attention span, what are you talking about?
Let me check the transcripts.
Oh gosh, there's something wrong with me.
Looking around, there's something wrong with everyone. Well, that's a relief. Atleast I'm not alone in being a weirdo :D
 
You should've stopped at 'transcripts', that way it would've been funniest
 
@Studentmath Screw you, Speilberg.
 
So, Nick, tell me what you do with your life.
 
@MikeMiller Are you single or attached?
 
@MikeMiller Besides waste it?
 
7:33 PM
@Nick D:
 
@JasperLoy: Happy new year, Jasper. Any resolutions or challenges for this year :D
 
i have the feeling that this year (i.e., 2015) would suck more than the year before this one (i.e., 2014) did.
 
@Nick I need to rethink my whole life and change all my life plans. It is at an all time low.
@BalarkaSen You mean for yourself?
 
the year @Jas, not me.
it's always the year.
and it's always not me.
 
@BalarkaSen What do you mean by 2015 being worse than 2014 then?
 
7:35 PM
@BalarkaSen A brief review of 2014: Robin Williams died. Grothendieck died. Two Malaysian Airlines planes went missing and a ton of irrelevance which no one cares for anymore.
 
Dynkin died, too @Nick
 
@Nick Have they been found?
 
A couple of days before Grothendieck
 
@BalarkaSen They will be reborn.
 
@BalarkaSen I take that back. He'd published a good paper 10 years ago. In mathematics standards, he was in his prime :)
 
7:38 PM
How do you waste it, @Nick?
Archie didn't really die. It was in an alternate universe. Don't buy into the hype.
 
ooooh jasper again happy new year please @JasperLoy where can i find the book asymptopia in pdf?
 
Archie can go to hell.
 
@user153330 Asymptopia? Never heard of it. What is it about?
 
@MikeMiller No, that's pretty much how he dies. The story folks fixed his death. The normal teenage adventures will continue but the future is fixed. Just like our lives.
 
@Nick I am well aware of Archie's death. I was psyched. But it was a cop-out.
 
7:41 PM
@Nick Do you believe that our future is already fixed?
 
@BalarkaSen I remember when I said that when it happened, someone called me a homophobe.
 
This is the same alternate universe in which Dylan is hopping between timelines, which are nearly rupturing the universe because of quantum mechanics.
 
@JasperLoy You've seen too much of Final Destination, @Jasper
get sleep
 
@BalarkaSen I am asking him what he thinks, based on what he said.
 
@JasperLoy My words are open to interpretation. You don't want to get into a debate with me about my beliefs. I don't have any other than my solid morality and my deep philosophies which I mutate based on the audience.
 
7:44 PM
@Nick I am not even debating with you, just asking what you think, and you give me a bullshit answer.
 
Interesting. Have you seen any of Mumford's treasure maps, @Mike?
 
I appreciate Nick's bullshit.
 
@BalarkaSen Seriously, you do know how he dies, right? That's pretty heroic. A sort of hero cliche but I always admire that kind of "put the needs of another before yourself" kind of moments.
 
If you ask me whether I think the future for each of us is fixed the day we are born, my answer is ... I don't know.
 
7:46 PM
Archie just went to hell @Nick. Can't talk about him anymore.
 
@user153330 I don't know. Just try gen.lib.rus.ec first.
 
@JasperLoy i tried gen and lib, what are rus and ec?
 
@BalarkaSen Carry on with your work, master sen.
 
@user153330 That is the website.
 
I am not a master
 
7:47 PM
@JasperLoy Yes, it's bull and I'm sorry but I crumble down into bread crumbs after midnight.
 
I am barely even an amateur.
 
@BalarkaSen Master is a title given to any young man as the term Mister would be unsuitable for your age-group.
 
Where are you from, Nicholas?
 
When did you learn this BS British-talk, @Nick :P
 
@JasperLoy My notion of how a persons future is fixed is based on various complicated perspectives.
 
7:50 PM
Ooh ooh I can talk British too
"I've got a bee in my bonnet!"
 
...
@MikeMiller K-Pax. I live with Kevin Spacey in outer space.
 
Nobody remembers that movie but you.
Nobody remembers the stupid scene where he eats a banana whole.
It's lost to the ages. You are the only one who remembers it. If you speak to anyone else about it, they will react with confusion and annoyance.
 
I am flagging you for banana.
 
@MikeMiller To be honest, I don't remember it either but it sounds like a more standard answer than Pandora and I dare not use Uranus again because of the jokes it may spawn.
 
7:54 PM
Sure, I'm also glad you don't live in my anus.
 
LEL at Uranus @Nick
 
From banana to anus, this chat is interesting.
 
@Mike Do you see the subtle difference between the doodles?
 
@BalarkaSen It's not really british and also, whenever I address you as something, I intend for a level of respect to conveyed. I didn't do it because the Queen told me to. kay?
 
I think I get what is happening : Your elements of Spec R are not only just points, but are also attached to commutative rings.
 
7:55 PM
@MikeMiller Exactly my point.
 
@JasperLoy link plz
 
@user153330 Just type the address I gave you, lol. I am not sure if it is found there though.
 
It's a cool and very information-preserving way to depict Spec R, @Mike
I plan to use it
 
@JasperLoy I have never had a conversation in this room that didn't in some way or another reference a fruit. Most oftenly, it is a direct reference through the word "banana". Why is everything bananas here?
 
Also, you said something like (etale) fundamental group of Spec Q is Gal(\bar Q/Q). that doesn't make sense since Spec Q is just a point @Mike
 

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