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10:00 PM
" I have almost never used drugs. And no cocaine!"
 
Yes, you feel better about using drugs now?
And why?
 
You are like that.Just you.
 
@MeAndMath So far, nothing confirms you're a woman.
Now you're telling us you're a junkie!
 
@PeterTamaroff I am!!!
I'm not junkie!!!!
 
@MeAndMath That is true. Is that bad?
 
10:06 PM
@JonasTeuwen no.not Exactly.
"We are all mad here."
If I was In wonderland, I would be madhatter
 
Drugs are only bad if you tell other people you take them
 
@N3buchadnezzar ?
 
@N3buchadnezzar They will steal them from you.
 
@JonasTeuwen oh
 
Not sure, never tried.
 
10:10 PM
@MeAndMath What Jonas said, also people might convince you not to take more pills.
(so they can have them instead! They are my precious, my preciiioussss)
 
I don't use anything...I barely use remedy...
@JonasTeuwen won't you change your gravatar?
 
To what?
 
@JonasTeuwen You posted a new picture earlier...
 
Two. Which one shall I take?
 
The one you are alone.with a different hairstyle.
 
10:21 PM
Oh, did the other.
 
Good evening
 
Including box and all?
 
@JonasTeuwen just the picture.without box
@JohnSenior Hello John!!!
 
@MeAndMath Hi!
 
10:25 PM
Done.
@JohnSenior Hello.
 
@JohnSenior how are you,Jonh?
@JonasTeuwen :D
 
@JonasTeuwen Dawg, question.
Let $f$ be defined on some interval $[a,b]$
Then the oscilation of $f$ over $[a,b] $ is $\sup f-\inf f$, right?
 
Hmm. Depends.
 
Where $\inf f=\inf\{f(x):a\leq x \leq b\}$
 
For integration it would be with respect to the average, so I guess, yes here.
 
10:28 PM
Because Apostol just defined $\inf f$ and $\sup f$, and is now talking about the maximum and minimum of $f$ over $a,b$ and calling them $M(f)$ and $m(f)$
$f$ is continuous here.
 
For integration?
 
so $f(c)=\inf f$ and $f(d)=\sup f $ for some $d,c$
@JonasTeuwen Uniform continuity stuff.
 
Yes, because $[a,b]$ is like yeah well uh compact.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yes, ultimately.
@JonasTeuwen "like+yeah+uh=makes you sound dumb"
 
@PeterTamaroff I am dumb.
 
10:30 PM
@JonasTeuwen Awww, noes.
 
Sorry man, can't help it. Born that way.
 
@MeAndMath Great, thanks!
 
@JohnSenior Whuuuu
@JohnSenior Am I tripping balls?
 
@JohnSenior You look good today.
 
Just got back from a few beers at the pub :)
 
10:34 PM
I need a glass of Feuer Wasser.
 
Playing with photobooth on my wife's iPad :)
might make that my gravatar ...
 
@JohnSenior Had a nose job?
Oh noes. Nose*
 
that pic makes a mess of my nose - but does my beard justice :)
 
@JonasTeuwen Makoto Kako seems to have the ability to make problems sound much more complicated than they really are.
 
@PeterTamaroff A fine mathematician.
@JohnSenior Sure does 8-).
 
10:39 PM
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Q: Bijection between the set of classes of positive definite quadratic forms and the set of classes of quadratic numbers in the upper half plane

Makoto KatoLet $\Gamma = SL_2(\mathbb{Z})$. Let $\mathfrak{F}$ be the set of binary quadratic forms over $\mathbb{Z}$. Let $f(x, y) = ax^2 + bxy + cy^2 \in \mathfrak{F}$. Let $\alpha = \left( \begin{array}{ccc} p & q \\ r & s \end{array} \right)$ be an element of $\Gamma$. We write $f^\alpha(x, y) =...

 
Whoah. Feel run down now!
Need... Fin..laggan.
 
Need ... Laphroaig :)
 
@JohnSenior Laphroaig liked my post on FB! 8-).
But maybe they have deleted it now.
I thanked them for curing my throat infection.
 
@JonasTeuwen What about Corona?
 
@PeterTamaroff Good for anemas I guess.
 
10:42 PM
@JonasTeuwen Anemas?
 
Yes.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah - I liked them too - not sure if they liked me
 
enemas
 
@anon Ah, was mixing up anemia I suppose.
 
@anon Dude.
 
10:48 PM
I was confused too,but...
 
Speaking of enemas .....
 
@PeterTamaroff Don't judge people like that. If anon likes enemas with Corona, let him.
 
you would not believe what I got through the post from our health service ....
 
It's natural for youngsters to experiment with sexuality like that.
2
@JohnSenior Tell us.
 
@anon Can you enunciate Cantor's theorem about fitted intervals?
 
10:50 PM
A kit for testing for signs of colon cancer ... the kit allows me to send them samples of my poo through the post so they can test it :((( --- dafuq!
 
@PeterTamaroff Will you please stop bouncing trivialities here?
 
@JonasTeuwen Can I kick them instead?
 
@JohnSenior I bet that's a very good way to do this screening.
 
@PeterTamaroff "Cantor's theorem about fitted intervals" - yep, I can enunciate that quite well
 
@JohnSenior But... can you win a free enema?
 
10:51 PM
probably very economical - but the details are like ... shit ;)
 
Sequence about decreasing closed interval the intersection being one point? That's just the supremum property.
 
Someone is watching porn at my house. Oh wait, it is the woman's US Open final.
 
@JohnSenior "Thank you for the offer Sir. I am sorry to inform you that I have lost the kit, but I have attached the poo to this letter anyway. I hope this is okay too. Sincerely, John"
 
@JonasTeuwen rofl :)))
 
A good opportunity to send the NHS a bag of shit.
 
10:54 PM
The joys of getting older :)))
 
Yep.
 
Pedro is not used to this...
kidding.
 
@JohnSenior Bloody monkey, I poured in way too much Fin.
 
don't waste the rat juice|!
 
I. Must. Drink. It.
 
10:56 PM
@PeterTamaroff why does MK keep tagging questions "elementary-number -theory" when they obviously aren't?
 
Holy cow I accidently breath it in!
Fin bites like a crocodile and kicks like a mule!
 
@MeAndMath ?¿
@JonasTeuwen You're such a wuss!
 
@PeterTamaroff never mind
 
@MeAndMath BUuuuuuuuu
 
@PeterTamaroff what?
 
10:58 PM
@PeterTamaroff Try. ~60% alcohol.
Breathe it in. Deeply.
 
@JonasTeuwen Challenge accepted.
What is the brand?
 
Great, I'll bring it for you.
Finlaggan.
 
@JonasTeuwen How nice of you!
 
Also notice that you must get it down your lungs, not your esophagus.
The latter is not such a biggie, but the first...
 
@JonasTeuwen The bipartition method is kind of a way to analyze something locally and show it necessarily extends to a bigger picture, yes?
 
11:04 PM
The what?
 
hhh
Has someone tried Kindle to read Mathematics books?
(I have problems with DJVU -files where the OCR -layer gets removed after conversion to pdf)
 
@hhh Yep.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff Which kindle is good for reading math books, I waste so much time in processing books to iPad
 
@JonasTeuwen Take a theorem you like and a continuous function on $[a,b]$. Suppose the theorem is not true on $[a,b]$. Then it must not be true in either $[a,c]$ or $[c,b]$ (or both) where $c$ is the mid point of the interval. Denote this interval where the theorem fails with $[a_1,b_1]$ (if the theorem fails on both, choose the left interval). Repeat the process designing by $[a_{n+1},b_{n+1}]$ the half of $[a_n,b_]$ where the theorem is false.
 
11:10 PM
Now that we're in a $(b-a)/2^n$ scale we can argue by some $\epsilon-\delta$ proof to show the theorem is indeed true, so that BOOM, it is now true over all $[a,b]$
 
Then the theorem must be about a local statement?
 
@JonasTeuwen Yes, precisely.
 
Yeah, sure.
It must have some local property, then you just restrict to "the smallest" subset where it has that property.
Then you fuq it up real good.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff I think I will just by the cheapest kindle 69USD, I have iPad but I want some faster way of getting course books to lessons...instead of waiting them from post
 
@hhh I bought the cheapest, and it is nice.
 
11:11 PM
I only buy Scotch.
 
@JonasTeuwen For example, you can use that to prove the Bolzano Weiertrass , uniform continuity, the theorem that every continuous functions achieves a maximum and a minimum
 
Can take it everywhere too.
@PeterTamaroff Thanks. I know.
For the last one, I would just take some creeping interval thingie.
 
@JonasTeuwen Seems like pretty dope ammo, right?
 
That must have an upper bound.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff So math formulae are well interpreted, does zooming work with it?
 
11:12 PM
@PeterTamaroff Good tool.
 
@hhh At least with PDFs. Also, my XPERIA renders LaTeX and pdfs beautifully.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff ...so zooming works?
 
I have like this notebook it is great. You should try it. Works much better and does not run out of battery.
 
hhh
(some thread said that it is hard to read books with the cheapest because the zooming did not work, so reading math formulae is hard)
 
@hhh Yes, I think so.
 
hhh
11:14 PM
@JonasTeuwen sure, which kindle do you have?
 
@hhh I have none. I have the iPad.
 
hhh
(i have also iPad but I want faster reading, calibre with iPad?
err faster getting books to iPad
 
Jailbreak it.
Also, there is a browser that lets you download files... and Dropbox client?
iCab is the browser, I believe.
 
i am asked, which of the following implications is false? "2+2=4 only if -1 is a positive number" or "if 3x3=9 then -1=1" aren't they both false implications?
(first one is p only if q, second is if p then q, both p -> q, both p is true and q is false)
 
@Henry Say what?
 
11:18 PM
@PeterTamaroff i thought this was the math chat - it's a reasonable question! :)
 
@Henry If $-1>0$, what can you say?
 
@PeterTamaroff i can say -1>0 is a false statement
so, 2+2 = 4 only if "false"
but i (think) i was taught that "p only if q" shows that q is a necessary condition for p, and yet p is true in this case
 
hhh
The first one is right if I understand it right:

"if -1>0, then 2+2=4"

False -> True ||| this is True

The other one is

True --> False ||| This is false
 
@9232 i think the implication is actually if 2+2=4 then -1>0
 
hhh
@Henry "if" and "only if" are two different statements, not equivalent.
 
11:22 PM
for sure, they are
but notice the order of the statements
 
hhh
The other has the implication to the other direction
 
i refer you to this website, as an example of what i'm talking about: wwnorton.com/college/phil/logic3/ch10/ponlyifq.htm
 
@JonasTeuwen Helpfen.
 
hhh
"2+2=4 only if -1 is a positive number"

"if -1 is a positive number, then 2+2=4"

@Henry Are they equivalent?
 
no, i don't believe so
 
hhh
11:24 PM
Formulate them in propositional logic
 
2+2=4 -> -1 > 0
 
I have always hate the "only if" way of phrasing mathematical arguments - and have always avoid using it
 
Bbbbird is the word.
This means it is time to go to bed. Bye!
 
hhh
@Henry like this

TRUE only if FALSE.
If FALSE, then TRUE.
 
Your are is truly... big.
Bye.
 
hhh
11:25 PM
Which one is correcT?
 
p only if q
equals
p -> q
equals
if p then q
if false then true is a true implication, but i don't believe that's what we're dealing with here
i would love to be corrected, but not by brute force
 
hhh
p only if q
equals
p -> q

<--- this wrong
("only if", equal to "if ... then")
"P only if Q" === "if Q, then P"
"P unless Q" === "P only if not Q", right?
 
hold on i'm looking
 
hhh
"I go shopping unless not raining." ...how do you formulate this sentence in propositional logic?
 
from that site: "Only if the fruit is an apple, will Madison eat it." or "Madison will eat the fruit only if it is an apple." (equivalent to "If Madison will eat the fruit, then it is an apple" or "Madison will eat the fruit → fruit is an apple")
notice "only if" comes right before the conclusion, not the hypothesis
 
hhh
11:32 PM
?

you have proposition A and proposition B. Then you have just implication. What is "conclusion" and "hypothesis" in propositional logic?
 
to be fair i never called this 'propositional logic' and in fact i'm not sure what that means
i'm taking a course called 'discrete mathematics: logic and foundations'
and this is how my textbook, with the same name, talks about implications
 
hhh
Later you have quantifiers that builds on top of propositional logic. Quantifiers are things such as "and" and "or". You learn the hard way of proving things and making sentences accucrate.
 
the problem is that my textbook never discusses, as far as i can tell, this concept of 'only if', they only cover 'if' and 'if and only if'
by the way we have covered universal and existential quantifiers
 
hhh
@Henry Yes that is sad. I found once a red small book about something logic and it clarified me things. In my undergraduate math, it was just like that -- you need to connect the dots yourself...
I don't have the name of the book but it was fast reading and it was red, small logic book. If you have a good university lib nearby, try to find it.
 
"a short introduction to logic"?
i will look out for a small red book on logic, small is good
:)
 
hhh
11:39 PM
@Henry Also check up ProofWiki
<--- yes ProofWiki has very down-to-earth -explanations, they have also very student-biased attitude.
@Henry Do not hesitate to ask stupid question in Main -site. There are rigorous way of explaining simple logic things eventually, it is good if you could get some sort of broad view of things fast,.
"mathematical logic" is totally different area then what you are studying here. Start simple first.
propositional logic > Quantifier logic > predicate logic > ... > symbolic logic > ... > mahematical logic > ... > fuzzy logic > ... > perhaps even more, very broad area of research...
Google sucks if you try to search the word "logic". Do not do that, ask instead stupid questions.
(a goad reason to study mathematics is to beat google :P
...a single word with millions of different meanings...
 
@anon You there?
 
watching J Edgar, but yeah
 
@PeterTamaroff - If the oscillation of $f$ on $[a - \delta, a + \delta]$ is smaller than \epsilon, then it's also smaller than \epsilon on the open interval. No?
Your question is no longer accessible btw.
 
@AymanHourieh Are you 10k+?
 
11:53 PM
Not yet. :)
 
@AymanHourieh I undeleted.
 
@PeterTamaroff - I can see it now. What I'm trying to say is that with the uniform continuity of f on the closed interval, you can ensure that oscillation is smaller than any epsilon on the closed and open intervals.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff Does the size of Kindle matter at all? Or is it just good that it is small? I am wondering differences between Kindle 3G paper-white and Kindle 69
 
@hhh My kindle has a keyboard. I think I payed 79 bucks or some.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff Do you know whether the Calibre with Kindle works with Debian?
 
11:56 PM
@hhh No idea.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff Is the keyboard useful?
Or does it just take extra space?
 
@hhh Well, to search stuff, make annotations, I guess.
I don't use it, my father does.
 
hhh
@PeterTamaroff But you have tried to read math books with it?
 

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