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4:00 AM
As it is, I tried my best to avoid saying unnecessary things.
 
"inflamed" sounds more like something I'd use to describe a pimple, not a comment...
 
@Gigili Often the wisest thing.
@JM Have you been part of a flame war?
 
@robjohn In my crass youth, yes. Not pretty.
 
@JM I think I was old enough by the time I had internet access to have avoided them
 
@JM Comments can also burst. [yuck]
 
4:02 AM
@PeterTamaroff gross comments.
 
@robjohn Wait. Mine or the ones in meta?
Or both? (Sorry)
 
@PeterTamaroff The ones that burst.
 
@Gigili Maybe you need some real THC Gigili. Asaf and Kannappan are getting to your nerves.
 
I'm a bit worried about Marvis going on a rampage because of what he feels is an unjustified downvote. Last time he burned his account because of some not-so-nice exchanges like that.
 
@tb That's why I told him to chill out.
I want someone to downvote me. My rep is not $\mod 10$. Dear lord.
 
4:05 AM
@PeterTamaroff Finally someone understands me ...
Not Asaf, I'm fine with him.
 
Asaf?
 
@PeterTamaroff maybe you could remove the comment in mixedmath's meta thread? It's no longer relevant, I think.
 
@PeterTamaroff You are 2 mod 5 and I am 1 mod 5
 
@tb Where?
@robjohn I want $0 \mod 10$ =)
 
@PeterTamaroff this one
 
4:07 AM
@PeterTamaroff well 5 mod 10 can be thrown off by acceptances, so I only look mod 5
 
@tb Done. It was just a personal opinion to cool him down.
 
@mixedmath It's a name? What exactly is your question?
 
@PeterTamaroff Sure, I understand (and agree), no criticism.
 
someone said Asaf was getting to someone's nerves, and I was surprised
 
@tb Ah, that was not too long ago, I'm afraid... :(
 
4:08 AM
it seems that every time I'm on chat, someone mentions Asaf, but I haven't interacted with him for a long time
 
@robjohn Maybe if I downvote twice.......
 
likely because I avoid set theory like the plague
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@PeterTamaroff That would do it.
 
@mixedmath Are you saying you're allergic to his name?
 
Did someone here really downvote this?
 
4:10 AM
no, I like Asaf. I think he and I would get along well were we anywhere near each other
 
@mixedmath It's funny too that I get along well with Kannappan. Or at least I shared with him some results of my own (nothing important).
 
I remember a feature that I could see the number of downvotes and upvotes by clicking on the number next to the question or answer, is it a 3k user thingy?
 
it's a somek user thingy
 
Right, I should have guessed.
 
@Gigili If you really need to know, I can always check with a link.
 
4:13 AM
actually, I think it's just a 1k 'established user' priviledge
can you not?
 
My nefarious plan of CW'ing that question is complete!
 
@JM mwahaha!
 
@JM What did you CW?
 
@PeterTamaroff Thank you, I'll check it later.
Uuh, I can see it.
 
Could someone please give an upvote here?
 
4:14 AM
Do we have a post at meta explaining how to vote? That buttons called 1st/2nd/3rd choice seem to be self-explaining; but maybe it would be interesting to know: Is it possible to change my vote, if I decide to? Can I see somewhere how many votes the candidates already have?
 
@mixedmath Yes, it's a 1k privilege.
@MartinSleziak "Can I see somewhere how many votes the candidates already have?" - no, and that's a good thing.
Yes, you can change your vote, but only within a limited time period, if memory serves.
Another option would be to just pick a first choice for now, and pick your other choices another day.
 
I suspect the downvote has something to do with your condidacy, @Peter.
 
@PeterTamaroff I did. I interpreted your insistence as serious enough, but I recompensated you with two upvotes. It was impossible to give you badges alone.
 
Thanks. I still think it would be nice to have a thread explaining thing like that - perhaps I should ask on meta...
 
@MartinSleziak I think it was asked somewhere during one of the two previous elections...
 
4:16 AM
IMO it is very difficult to pick 3 people - there are too many good choicec there.
 
@tb Lordy but that green is bright!
 
@JM ok, so I'm not going to ask, I'll try to browse the questions tagged elections first.
 
@BrianMScott indeed, it is :)
 
@BrianMScott That is PANTONE's fault, not mine!
 
Just once I want to see somebody write a serious answer in screaming green... :)
 
4:18 AM
@BrianMScott Are you speaking about yourself? (Well, you're gravatar is green, I have to admit you're a bright person; but why stating the obvious...) ;-)
 
@Gigili It seems so. I wasn't 100% serious, but maybe I wasn't really joking either,
 
@JM Peter's comes damned close!
 
@JM Challenge accepted, pal!
 
@PeterTamaroff The "counterintuitive results" question. I wanted to answer, but I didn't want to get rep for it.
 
@MartinSleziak Green? It sure looks black to me.
 
4:19 AM
@BrianMScott "Mossy green", I'd call it...
 
@JM I see. I'm thinking maybe soft questions should be CW.
 
@PeterTamaroff so, you've got two shiny badges instead of two points. Sounds like a fair deal, no? When I was having 33335 points no-one was willing to give me the requested downvotes, they upvoted me instead :)
 
@JM Was that kettle revolting in space?
 
@PeterTamaroff Many, but I agree with robjohn that not all should.
 
@tb Wow thanks! How did that happen?
@BrianMScott Indeed. Some are really good answers.
 
4:21 AM
@PeterTamaroff You're up to eleven upvotes on the Green Monster.
 
@PeterTamaroff Maybe.
 
@BrianMScott 13 looks like the right number for that mean answer.
 
I'm behind the times again.
 
@BrianMScott That's okay. I try to catch up but don't get most things anyway... :)
 
@JM I only found this post, where someone is asking whether he has to use all of his 3 votes: Question on election voting. I did not find much more explaining details of voting process at meta.MSE.
But thanks for your answers here in chat.
 
4:25 AM
@PeterTamaroff Corriger la fortune is what people call that in France. With the generous help of the Chatâ„¢ members
 
I think they cover what I wanted to know at the moment.
 
@tb Correcting the fortune?
 
@MartinSleziak I forgot which thread, but there was somebody who said that he did "first choice on one day, and the other two choices on the last day".
 
@PeterTamaroff the fate, rather
 
@tb Right.
@tb Makes me remember of good ol God of War II.
If any religion is epic, it is the greek
 
4:27 AM
I'm beginning to think that Alex Becker has a What have you tried? macro: 36 second response time!
 
Hello, would anyone care to help tell me if I'm making a bad mistake?
 
@PeterTamaroff there's definitely a proof that I am getting old in that. I consider a game that's five years old brand new.
 
@tb Well, it was rather a nostalgic remark.
 
@Dedede About what?
 
@Dedede Are you planning to get married? (Just kidding of course.)
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4:29 AM
@BrianMScott Really? That is fast. Let's inquisite him.
 
@BrianMScott About a proof of mine showing a harmonic conjugate does not exist.
 
@PeterTamaroff Nobody expects your inquisition... :)
 
@PeterTamaroff Oh not quite yet.
 
@JM How do we play charades in chat?
 
I was going to say No one expects the Argentine Inquisition.
 
4:30 AM
@tb Charade? What is that?
@BrianMScott Argentine Inquisition?
Sadly, some guys here were good at it.
 
Well, it can't be the Spanish Inquisition if you're leading it!
 
Evidently a new MP patient we have there ^^ :)
 
@tb Not sure. The kids these days have that thing called "Draw Something", which seems pretty close...
 
@BrianMScott Oh, sure!
 
Harmonic conjugate - that's about CR-conditions, right? My knowledge of complex analysis is very poor...
 
4:32 AM
I was under the impression that $u(z)\colon\mathbb{C}\setminus\{0\}\to\mathbb{R}$ defined by $u(z)=\ln(|z|^2)$ does not have a harmonic conjugate $v\colon\mathbb{C}\setminus\{0\}\to\mathbb{R}$.
 
@tb Serj Tankian has a song called the Charade, but I never knew what the wrod meant!
 
If $v$ is a harmonic conjugate, then $f=u+iv$ is holomorphic. However, $\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}f(re^{i\theta})=ri\frac{\partial}{\partial r}f(re^{i\theta})$. So $$\frac{d}{d\theta}v(re^{i\theta})=r\frac{\partial}{\partial r}u(re^{i\theta})=r(\ln(r^2))'=2.$$ But then integrating over $\theta\in[0,2\pi]$ yields $0=v(re^{2\pi i})-v(r)=4\pi$, a contradiction. Is there something wrong with this argument?
 
@JM Well, that's about the only thing that was really hilarious in the German synchronized version of the Flying Circus. They translated the charades verbatim. So, for example apple, coffee --- ah, not guilty! huh?
 
I'm just curious, because Antonio Vargas gave a contrary answer here.
 
I missed this when it happened. Gosh - I always miss the exciting posts
 
4:35 AM
@tb I can imagine. Some of the jokes rely heavily on English's quirks...
 
@PeterTamaroff Charades are a game where you have to guess words. Someone gets a word he must describe by acting but without speaking and others guess it. Here's the Spanish WP page explaining it.
 
@tb OH! We call it different in here.
"Say it with mimic" = "Dígalo con mímica"
 
yes, that sounds right.
 
So how can Serj get so poetic: "If love is wrong, go ahead and end the world with the charades. Never wrong, constantly dreaming of another way"?
 
@PeterTamaroff Say it with pantomime
 
4:39 AM
@BrianMScott What does the prefix PANTO add?
 
@PeterTamaroff Nothing, as far as English speakers are concerned: most would, I think, be vaguely aware of some relationship with the word mime, but pantomime stands on its own as an independent word, borrowed from Latin. You have to go back to the Greek source to see the elements from which it was originally compounded.
Oh, I almost forgot: in Greek the first element of the compound means 'all'; I don't remember offhand why.
 
"copy everything" would be the literal reading, then...
 
@BrianMScott isn't it the "imitator of all"?
 
@BrianMScott Yes, as in PANgea, PANamerican
 
exactly.
 
4:45 AM
@tb That sounds right, but let me check the OED.
 
@PeterTamaroff ...pandemic.
 
@JM Keep it going guys.
Do you have any favorite greek mythological story?
 
@PeterTamaroff The Odyssey comes to mind... also the adventures of Heracles.
 
@PeterTamaroff the box of PANdora :)
 
@JM In which of the two does Ulises' dog die of happines? That was such a sad thing to read!
@tb Most definitely. =)
 
4:50 AM
God, it's exciting. Last time I had the same feeling was when I had konkour.
 
@PeterTamaroff Ulysses is the Latin counterpart of Odysseus. ;)
 
@JM "Odysseus or Ulysses was the Greek king of Ithaca and the hero of Homer's epic poem the Odyssey" WP
 
That was a sad part in a rather action-packed story, yes.
 
@JM It was über sad.
 
Excited + anxious = pah.
 
4:51 AM
@Gigili What are you talking about?
 
@PeterTamaroff The emotions that produce the expostulation pah!
 
She felt inclined to say Pah again.
 
@PeterTamaroff The election thingy.
 
@tb Oh, I see.
@Gigili You are confusing sometimes, I have to admit!
What on Earth is konkour?
 
@PeterTamaroff I am awesome like that.
@PeterTamaroff The university entrance exam.
You get confused so easily, I have to admit!
 
4:53 AM
@Gigili That is true. I am very light minded (is that the correct expression?)
 
@tb It's not actually clear. Greek mimos could mean either 'a mimic' or 'a mime' (in the 'actor' sense), and the compound is apparently relatively late $-$ Hellenistic $-$ so I'm not sure exactly what the panto- was understood to add.
 
@BrianMScott I can live with that uncertainty. Thanks! =)
 
@BrianMScott It was a shot in the dark that seemed to make sense, but closer scrutiny often proves the contrary in those cases. Thanks for going after it!
 
Bye guys, its 2AM here. Awfully late! Cheers.
 
Good night, Peter!
 
4:58 AM
@PeterTamaroff Sleep well!
 
Good night.
 
I was tempted to put "when things get too large, measure theory disintegrates" as a comment, but it seems like too weak a pun to add to a nice answer.
 
5:17 AM
@Gigili, to inflame, among other things, means *to provoke (someone) to strong feelings.*
nowadays this usage is out of fashion—it was very popular among romantic poets in the early 19th century. :)
thank you for taking care of that, btw!
 
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I see. In fact I looked it up in the dictionary to avoid further misusing! I was unsure which comment of mine are you referring to.
 
as an adjective, "inflammatory" is still alive and well though
 
the general conversation was loaded with strong feelings
but thatmeans something quite different, anon
one can say inflamed words to one's lover
 
Right, but I was asked to provide an answer. I tried to drop unnecessary details.
 
and you can say inflammatory words to him/her
quite different :)
 
5:21 AM
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Now, however, presenting your lover with something inflamed is guaranteed to make your lover recoil in terror...
 
@JM Flaming passion?
 
inflammatory means to provoke to strong feelings. just a narrower subset of feelings now. :)
 
@BrianMScott If it feels like it's in flames, something's terribly wrong... :)
 
@JM Clearly you've not been exposed to the more purple depths of the romance genre! :-)
 
5:26 AM
Damn you, JM. Do you have any idea how long I was TVT-sober?!?
 
Wait, whose feelings did I provoke?
This is getting deep and complicated.
 
@BrianMScott I have, but I don't think this is the time or place to discuss those... :)
@anon I live to please. ;)
 
@Gigili Shakespeare's feelings, apparently.
 
5:50 AM
Hello can anyone help me in understanding this answer please. I'm quite eager. I'e understood halfway through it. math.stackexchange.com/questions/142215/…
 
It may help to know that $[N]=\{1,2,\cdots,N\}$, and $S_a$ is defined to be all numbers in $[N]$ that share the same residue as $a$ modulo $M$.
 
I just can't grasp the fact that "Sa contains q+1 elements". Won't we be having M-1 different equivalence classes?
 
No, we have 0M+a, 1M+a, 2M+a, ...., qM+a as the elements of $S_a$.
And it's only one equivalence class, that of $a$ modulo $M$, intersected with $[N]$.
This is only if a is less than or equal to r so that qM+a<=qM+r=N, ie the last element I listed is in range. If not, you have to chop off the last element and there are only q.
 
@JM, I just stumbled on the WTFPL when I read your profile. Cool stuff ! I'm going to use it more now. I was hoping something like that was already in creation. Thanks!
 
@anon I see a square with diagonal lines of 0s mod M
 
5:59 AM
wat
 
@anon Are you working on the problem that Andrew mentioned?
 
I was explaining the answer of Tara's he mentioned.
 
Sorry, but it was given for 0≤a≤M−1, S_a... Its a bit confusing for me. Could you please explain with an example, say N=5 and M=3. I've only primary knowledge about equivalence classes.
How have you chosen that a?
 
Okay. List out all numbers congruent to 2 modulo 10 that are less than 55. Now list out all numbers congruent to 7 modulo 10 that are less than 55. Here we have N=55=5(10)+5, so that M=10 and r=5. The first has a=2<r and the second a=7>r.
nonnegative numbers, if you want to be persnickety
 
@Nunoxic No worries. If I were concerned about my "methods" being used by other people, I wouldn't post them here in the first place, so that one seemed appropriate.
 
6:06 AM
{2,12,22,32,42,52} & {7,17,27,3,7,47}
I still don't get how a will be a unique no. Sorry.
 
What do you mean by a unique? It's fixed.
 
Ex, N=5 and M=3.
We write N=3x1+2
q=1, r=2
 
Okay, so you'll need to investigate a=0, a=1, a=2.
I think there might be an issue with 0 not being in [N] that was never mentioned, but whatever
 
So how are they in the same set S_a when a is different.
S_0={3}
S_1={1,4}
 
What do you mean by "they"?
 
6:11 AM
S_2={2,5} isn't it?
 
Yes.
 
So how S_a has q+1 (=2) elements?
 
Count: {2,5} has two elements, yup.
Are you wondering why Sa has q+1 in general?
 
Yes
 
I already explained that by explicitly listing every single element of Sa.
The first is 0M+a. The second is 1M+a. Etc.
 
6:14 AM
Oh. Now I'm starting to get it.
But I dont see any programming insight in the solution. The question asks, given N & M, give answer in constant time.
 
@JonasTeuwen : )
Why mow the lawn in the afternoon when you can do it at 8 am. Especially if it's a little truck that you can sit on and drive around. So much fun.
 
@Andrew You have to use formulas first to reduce the problem. In other words, write down a formula for |Sa|, then sum over all 0<=a<=M-1. (And discard the 0+0 solution, eh.)
You'll need to split the sum into 0<=a<=r and a>r.
Being a contest problem, I think I've explained enough at this point. :)
 
That is the trouble. It say N & M is of the order 10^9. So a loop won't run that long. Its not constant time.
 
I never said sum it with a computer. I explicitly said write down - you do this on paper before you put the final product into code.
 
Ok anon. Thanks a lot for your help. :)
 
6:48 AM
Hey anon, one last help if you're still here. Are we choosing b for each S_a? And a should not be equal to b.
 
Ah yes, a=b is another case that needs to be undone in the calculation. Yes on the b for each Sa, but you need to take out the symmetric solutions with b>a.
 
Yes, I do that by hand but don't see any formula building up. :(
For S_0={3}, i get b=5;
For S_1={1,4}, i get b=5 for 1 only;
Also b=5 for 4;
For S_1={2,5}, i get b=4 for 2 only; So couldn't find any 'b' for 5. so answer is 4;
And I didn't understand the reason to to split the sum into 0<=a<=r and a>r. My bad.
 
7:03 AM
I'll talk about that last point. Remember when I listed out the elements of Sa? That last element was qM+a. If a>r, then qM+a>qM+r=N which is outside of range, and you can't count that one.
 
Yes, that's understandable. That's why we will have only q elements for those S_a.
But how is that affecting affecting the way we choose b for it.
 
For each element x of Sa, how many b are there in [N] such that x+b=0 mod M?
 
There will be only one specific b for each Sa.
No I'm wrong.
Its qm-x for each x
Ah... Its beyond my grasp right now. Will see to it later if I can. Thank you anon once again.
 
7:55 AM
@MattN Meow.
 
8:25 AM
Good day
Help me please: is there some Riesz-Markov-type theorem for $C^{\infty}(E)$, where $E$ is locally compact?
 
9:08 AM
@Nimza what is $C^\infty(E)$ for a locally compact space?
The space of continuous functions vanishing at infinity?
 
@tb I have $C^{\infty}( \mbox{int } \mathbb{R}^{n}_{+} )$
 
I don't understand the notation $C^\infty$ is it the smooth functions, then? If so, what topology do you put on it?
 
@tb the topology induced by seminorms
@tb $p_{m,k}(f) = \sup \left\{ |D^{\alpha}f(x)| \colon m^{-1} \leqslant x \leqslant m, |\alpha| \leqslant k \right\}$
 
@Nimza: just say "the topology of uniform convergence of $f_n$ and all of their derivatives on compact subsets of $E$". That's much easier to type and mentally parse.
 
You should look into a book on distributions then.
 
9:15 AM
@kahen thanks, ok :)
 
There are criteria on when a functional on $C^\infty$ can be represented by functions or nice measures.
This should be in every book that treats distributions seriously, but I can't reproduce these results right now.
But in general they cannot. For example, you have the nice functional $f \mapsto f'(x_0)$. No way that this can be represented by a function or a measure.
 
@tb thanks, I have the Laurent Schwartz book, but I think such theorems aren't represented here :(
 
9:31 AM
@JonasTeuwen Meow.
 
moooh.
 
@BrianMScott Here's a banana. feeds Brian a banana : )
Since when do teddy bears moo?
Did you see this btw? Is it safe to undelete?
 
Oh, they do that all the time, but usually only in private.
Or when they're waiting for their first coffee to get ready.
@MattN lemme look
 
: )
 
The first hence is the crux of the proof!
 
9:37 AM
@tb Are you saying I am still begging the question but this time with the crux of the proof or what?
 
Basically, yes. You're saying: it's a real valued linear functional, hence it is continuous.
 
Bleh.
I'll edit again later.
Thanks for your patience.
Must make you sad to see someone so muddled that they manage to balls up a mini-answer twice.
 
No problem. I was more impatient with my coffee machine. But it's done now.
 
: )
 
@MattN It's not a mini-answer. It's non-trivial. robjohn's answer just looks innocently simple and short.
 
9:44 AM
: D
 
$(C^{\infty}(\Omega))^{*} = \mathcal{E}(\Omega)$? $\Omega$ is a domain in $\mathbb{R}^n$
 
@MattN better? sorry. Coffee's done now, but not yet ingested.
 
@tb Sure, I was only half-serious : ) (as almost always)
I'm sitting in the class room and the marketing people are still in there (they have the lecture before ours) and they're discussing what grade the student giving the presentation will get. Now the "lecturer" told him "We've been discussing whether we will give you a 5.75 or a 6.0. Usually we don't give a 6.0 but..."
 
I already had 720ml of coffee.
 
What sort of grading scheme is this? I think they should go to hell.
I think some teachers enjoy the feeling of power they have when they can grade the students.
This one seems to.
 
9:54 AM
It makes a lot of sense, you know :) You've got 3 negative grades and two positive ones, so let's remove .25 from the positive grade scale, what the hell? Basically they could introduce a scale: one grade for passed and a very fine-graded scheme between failed and flunked abysmally, best measured by grades precise to the .001 points. Especially if you have ten criteria of which 12 are subjective.
 
You lost me somewhere in the middle of the paragraph : D Need to read it again.
But eeww. This is so low. It's comparable to feeling like a man and all strong and whatnot when having gun while everyone else is unarmed. Or when shooting bears, foxes and whatnot. Very manly. Wooow.
@tb Haha : D But on a more serious note: Why not have 1 and 2 where 1 means failed and 2 means pass? I think I'd thrive in a system like that.
</rant>
 
@MattN yeah, why not. I don't understand what grades precise to the .25 between 4 and 5.75 are supposed to mean, especially when it comes to judging a presentation. So you've got 8 points between which you can choose. What if I think that I can only judge precise to the .5 grades and don't give grades above 5, because no-one's better than good?
 
@tb Then students will hate you. : )
I think if I was a lecturer I'd only either give 1 or 6.
 
I'd go for 3.1111 and 5.983
 
@Jonas: my iPad's glass cracked
 
10:06 AM
This would indicate that I have a much more subtle scheme, and thought about it deeply.
I'm not just throwing dice, you know?
Morning, Ilya.
 
@tb morning
 
@tb Well, I wasn't trying to say I was. But by giving 1 or 6 I do two birds with one stone: I please the students and I make a statement about the grading system namely that it's unnecessarily accurate.
 
I agree. I don't like grading stuff, it feels so ... arbitrary. Then you have to make the system very subtle to convince yourself that it's not.
But as I said, I would certainly not give a 6 because I got some 6es and I don't want my students to feel special, too :)
 
@tb : D
Poor me, the lecture just started so I have to go.
I'll bbl!
(Of course, I take your last sentence to not be serious)
 
I sure hope so. Take it easy!
 

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