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2:00 PM
@BenjaminLim Jasper.
 
@tb You can learn some of the vocab that people use around here
@ClarkKent pfffff wth
 
australia is also said to be investing a lot on tourism
 
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@BenjaminLim I thought my superman logo the last time would have given you a clue.
 
@tb For example an icebox is called an eskie. To get drunk = to get maggot. Salad = marijuana. Then there are phrases like "good on ya"
@SauravTomar well you could say that
 
and kangaroo is called a boomer, right?
or baby kangaroo
 
2:02 PM
@SauravTomar urh no. The only thing I can get from that term is something related to drugs.....
 
@BenjaminLim I must say that I'm a bit disappointed. You could have been a bit more helpful there, considering how much time you spend with asking people stuff here...
 
@BenjaminLim I saw it written in the back of my notebook, in "interesting facts" section.
 
@tb Sorry you mean to moshe? Yeah I guess so.
 
I found your reaction a bit ... brisk
 
@tb Sorry man, perhaps I should have helped him out a bit more, explained a bit more. I will try to do that the next time someone on chat asks for help, for example say Jordan.
 
2:04 PM
Please do :)
 
@tb Yeah I should have been a bit more
compassionate should I say
@Moshe Have you figured out your problem now?
Recall the binomial theorem:
$(x + y)^n = \sum_{k=0}^n \binom{n}{k} x^k y^{n-k}$
 
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@BenjaminLim Yeah, Jordan has this amazing curve theorem. :-)
 
@Moshe In your case you have $y = 3x$ and $x = -2$, $n = 10$
so that:
$(3x - 2)^10 = \sum_{k=0}^n \binom{10}{k} (-2)^k (3x)^{10 - k}$
If we want the coefficient of $x^3$, this happens when $k = 7$ because $10 - 3 = 7$
hence the coefficient of $x^3$ is $\binom{10}{3}(-2)^7(3x)^{10 - 7}$
 
@MattN Not australia, but other places on the southern hemisphere.
(I didn't ignore, I went to another room)
 
2:11 PM
@Moshe What I explained above, do you get it?
 
@tb I can't think of anywhere bearable in the southern hemisphere apart from Australia : )
 
oh, the bear can bear many things... but not winter
 
@BenjaminLim Sec, reading it. (Just rendered the MathJax)
 
I have to leave now, bbl.
 
Bye!
 
2:13 PM
bye
 
@BenjaminLim Yes, we covered all that in class.
 
@Moshe ok
so therefore
 
I was having an issue with my multiplication, apparently.
 
computing the coefficient of $x^3$
is simply then
$3^3 \times (-2)^7 \times \binom{10}{3}$ is this clear?
 
2:14 PM
Yea.
Got it now,
I'm going to do it again on paper.
 
right firstly the binomial coefficient is 120, do you know how I got that?
 
Yes, 10 choose 3 is 120
I can do that.
 
yeah
 
btw, whats the question being discussed here?
 
$3^3$ is 27
so 27 times 120 is...?
 
2:17 PM
3240
 
@Moshe $(-2)^7 = -128$
yeah
so now we just need to do 3240 times -128
 
It's not $-128$?
 
oh sorry yeah
and 3240 times -128 is
-414720
which is what wolframalpha gave me earlier @Moshe
 
Right, now it makes sense.
 
got it now?
@ClarkKent No annoying row reducing
 
2:18 PM
Yup, thank you. I was making 2 mistakes.
(Well, three, but one didn't make the difference here.)
@BenjaminLim No problem.
I'm an undergrad student, probably way out of my league here.
 
@Moshe go slow with the arithmetic. You wouldn't believe I nearly failed a first year exam due to making like a mistake in every question in the arithmetic
 
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@BenjaminLim Calculus?
 
@BenjaminLim I would :D
 
I hang out on StackOverflowhave been for about 2 years. Not a regular here.
 
glad to be able to help
@Moshe Way out of what league?
 
2:20 PM
@BenjaminLim Mathematically, I'm an undergrad. Most people here are into advanced studying and theory, no?
 
@Ilya Well I got 51 in that exam......and then after that for my ODE exam I freaked out and solved like 200 DEs before it to make sure I was not making such mistakes again
 
DEs?
 
@Moshe Well if you wanna call commutative algebra "advanced studying"
DEs = differential equations
 
Eh, ok.
Ah.
 
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@BenjaminLim 51 is a nice number. It is 3 times 17.
 
2:21 PM
Ok, seriously, I have 4 topics on this test, just getting comfy with #1.
 
@Moshe I'm only second year first semester so you're not too "far behind" if that's what you would like to call it.
 
Binomial Theorem, Graph of Hyperbola or Ellipse (Shifted Conics), Log and Exponentials, Trig (reference angles, specifically)
@BenjaminLim Ah, where?
 
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At first I thought you were a grad student @ben when you mentioned you like CA.
 
@Moshe ANU
@ClarkKent Are you nuts????? Why would you think that, have you seen my profile page?
 
In Australia?
 
2:23 PM
yes
 
Cool.
 
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@BenjaminLim Well, I guess I forgot that!
 
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@Moshe Ah, I learnt that in high school.
 
@ClarkKent Well how do you know about commutative algebra?
 
Anyone know where I can find example problems online?
 
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2:24 PM
@BenjaminLim Well, it is just two words.
 
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@Moshe Does your textbook not have examples?
 
@Moshe I don't really remember, it's been a while since i've tried problems like that! However if you like at the schaum's series books those are really good
 
@ClarkKent My Textbook only has answers to the odd examples. The Prof says he's going to ask a find the term in the expansion of, but the book seems to have every other kind of example on Binom theorem. But not that kind.
 
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@BenjaminLim Yeah, they are pretty good for the lower undergrad courses. Proofs are included in many cases too.
 
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@Moshe May I know what your TB is?
 
2:26 PM
ok bye guys!!!
 
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@BenjaminLim Bye!
 
@ClarkKent TB? Oh, sec.
 
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@Moshe textbook
 
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@Moshe Hmm, I don't know of any books offhand to give you examples you need. Schaum's outlines are good for exercises but I am not sure the exact title you should look for.
 
user19161
2:30 PM
@Moshe Oh they spelt his last name wrongly. It's "Stewart" and not "Steward", haha.
 
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His calculus texts seem very popular in the US.
 
I don't know. I'm not all that enthusiastic about math.
:-)
 
@ClarkKent I recommend Rudin.
 
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@JonasTeuwen Yes, I have his three textbooks.
 
He has more!
 
user19161
2:36 PM
He has three monographs too, I know.
 
But I only have those three you're talking about I suppose :-).
 
Tch, that's the last I'll write about numerically evaluating Bessel functions for the time being...
 
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I wonder how much Stewart makes from the sale of his calculus texts...
 
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I guess it depends on the royalty arrangements with the publisher.
 
@BenjaminLim That looks a lot like the image of Pouawa in New Zealand that was taken by a local, and from which I extracted and identified the stars.
 
user19161
2:39 PM
I look forward to reading @jonas books in future!
 
@JM A long time ago (high school) I computed the series for the intensity of the diffraction disk of a star, and I believe that that is a Bessel function.
 
@ClarkKent 8-).
@robjohn It is!
Optics is full of Bessels 8-).
 
@JM Did you see my post about Bessel? Or I already asked that right...? About the generating function.
 
hey everybody
sorry @robjohn, had to run the other day
@robjohn, BTW, how is your c++?
 
2:42 PM
@robjohn Yep, I believe that's one of the things that led Bessel to look at those functions, being an astronomer and all...
 
@JoeStavitsky No problem, I haven't had a chance since then to work on the least squares regression.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah, I upvoted it.
 
Oh, I was wondering if you could shine your astronomer light on it 8-).
 
user19161
So @rob how was the BD dinner?
 
For Hermites we have our friend the Brownian motion martingale!
I like Hermites and Bessels.
 
2:43 PM
@ClarkKent very taaty. We went to Outback and I had a very lovely Teriyaki Rib Eye steak.
 
@JonasTeuwen Bessel functions, Fresnel integrals, and Zernike polynomials...
 
Yeah.
 
I still have half for lunch today.
 
Nijboer-Zernike.
 
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@robjohn MOS burger has a teriyaki chicken burger, but I guess there is no MOS burger in the US. It's way better than McDonald's or Burger King!
 
2:44 PM
This special function stuff is crazy!
My office mate does it.
 
@robjohn, teriyaki steak? blasphemy
 
He's playing with symmetry groups.
 
@ClarkKent not to downplay MOS, but that's not hard to do. The best burgers here are from In&Out Burger.
 
@robjohn, but as I say how is your c++?
 
@JoeStavitsky It tastes nice, actually, sacrilegious as it sounds... :)
 
2:45 PM
I have modified my home page.
 
@JoeStavitsky Oh, you've never had this steak. It is to die for.
 
@robjohn, as long as its not to die of
 
@JoeStavitsky I'm a Java programmer, I never really did much C++
 
@robjohn Ooh, I love those In&Outs. One of the last few mom-and-pop food places for those...
 
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@JonasTeuwen You should put a lovely picture of yourself there too.
 
2:46 PM
@JoeStavitsky I'm still typing, so I guess not ;-)
 
@ClarkKent Okiedokie!
 
@robjohn, well take a look anyway, caus its pretty short. It claims to solve the problem by simple geometry.
 
@JM They are very good. When my son comes back for the summer, we will go and get some In&Out
 
Hold on... gotta find it
 
@JoeStavitsky Using what criteria? Least squares?
 
2:50 PM
@robjohn, no. I was told it was analytic geometry
 
@robjohn I have been told by people to do c++ first and then java, what problems do you have to face (if any) in java, since apparently you arent from a c++ background?
 
@JoeStavitsky You don't happen to have any description of the math behind that, do you?
 
@ClarkKent Done!
The alt property doesn't seem to work...
 
@robjohn, well thats the problem, I asked them and they said it was some obvious consequence of analytic geometry =P
@robjohn, the c++ guys I mean
 
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@JonasTeuwen I guess it will take a while for it to appear in my browser, considering the signals have to travel to another continent.
 
2:54 PM
@SauravTomar I don't think I would recommend C++ first, since from what I have seen it is far more general than is necessary and is a lot harder to learn. If one were to learn both, I would start with Java.
 
But how about some good old number crunching? 8-(.
 
@JoeStavitsky Is your problem with just two source points or many source points?
 
@ClarkKent You can you Ctrl-R the site 8-).
 
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@robjohn I don't know any programming language, but if I were to learn one I would choose Python.
 
thanks @robjohn
 
2:56 PM
Python. So lovely.
It is good. But not for some good old number crunching.
Nice to make a prototype.
Then do the crunching in C++.
 
@ClarkKent That is really a scripting language, but you can use it for math programming so it is quite useful
 
Yeah, Python is nice for initial experiments...
 
Or for stuff where the waiting for data actually takes longer than do calculations with it.
 
if you need to do actual work, then you get to C++
 
@robjohn, I could make it work with 2
 
2:57 PM
@JM Yes, but these scipy thingies are C modules.
 
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@robjohn Really? I thought it is both. linuxjournal.com readers voted it both best programming language and best scripting language last year.
 
They are quite fast.
 
@JM With the JIT compilers, Java is not much slower than C++
 
@robjohn, in fact it doesnt matter
 
Yeah, if you're good at Java and you're okay at C++, that might be very much true.
 
2:57 PM
@JoeStavitsky what doesn't matter?
 
@robjohn Ooh, Java can compete with C++ now? I'm behind the times... :D
 
These compiler optimization things for C++ are quite a pain in the arse.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah, but if you have to squeeze every bit of efficiency out of your stuff, they're a necessary evil.
 
@JM If I need to craft really fast code, I will go with pure C.
 
@JM Then you'd do ASM! 8-))).
 
2:59 PM
@JonasTeuwen I've done that, too. Even wrote my own assembler.
 
@JonasTeuwen "Anybody who says their first language was assembly language is a big fat ugly liar." ;)
 
@robjohn, I can make it work with 2 points, I wthink without too much of a problem
 
But yes, assembly is the go-to if you reeeeeally need fine-grained control.
 
@JM My first language was BASIC. My second language was 6502 machine code, and then I wrote a 6502 assembler.
 
@robjohn Well, you started with BASIC (me too! and Logo as well), so... :)
 
3:01 PM
@JoeStavitsky It is not simply analytic geometry if you have more than 2 ponts.
 
@robjohn, I hear you, but I'd like to try and make that code work if you can help me understand it.
 
@JM Yeah. The 6502 assembler was table driven, and it just took a small bit of tweaking and a change of tables to make the 68000 assembler.
@JoeStavitsky It would be easier if I knew their algorithm.
 
I've started with Fortran.
 
@robjohn, well, like I said the code is sposed to be self-explanatory
 
@AméricoTavares I did do some FORTRAN, but I wouldn't say I was ever a FORTRAN programmer.
 
3:04 PM
@AméricoTavares I got into FORTRAN when I started seriously looking at numerics...
@JoeStavitsky guy who told you that might be yanking your chain... not enough comments, the stingy cad.
 
@JM I wrote a fairly extensive arbitrary precision math package in C when I needed math routines.
 
@robjohn Neat!
 
@J.M. @robjohn Well, I've never been a real programmer. Just used it in engineering applications.
 
@JM It handles rationals and fixed point numbers as well as polynomials, power series, and some other useful things.
 
Good evening!
 
3:06 PM
@JM Well... It actually is true for me!
 
@Nimza Good [insert your time of day here]!
 
@JM I played with very small microcontrollers.
 
@robjohn sorry if I didn't guess )))
 
@robjohn, I can point you to the entirety of the code if that helps, altho its big and messy
 
@Nimza Just playing around :-)
 
3:08 PM
@JM Or do you count Dutch as a language too? 8-).
 
@JoeStavitsky Nah, I am going to try to finish the regression first. Then I can explain that to you :-)
 
@JonasTeuwen You started with assembly? You didn't play around with a high-level language beforehand? Interesting...
 
@JoeStavitsky Maybe then we can understand the code.
 
@robjohn, k cool thx
 
@JM No. I started playing with electronics. Only after with "real" computers.
 
3:09 PM
@JonasTeuwen Hehe, of course I'm limiting to computer languages in this context.
 
@robjohn, I don't care which way we do it, as long as it gets done expeditiously and efficiently
 
@JonasTeuwen Intriguing...
 
Is it normal to consider the space $\mathcal{E}(\mathbb{R}^{n}_{+})$ of test functions? I'm confused because usually we consider test functions on the open set
 
@JM But it is a RISC architecture. It's really not that hard. <200 instructions.
But then some guy showed me... how do write "Hello world" on an LCD display with C. Like five lines. Took me 17 pages in ASM.
 
@JonasTeuwen Ah, RISC. A long time ago since I looked at those...
 
3:11 PM
CISC ASM is the hell on earth.
 
@JonasTeuwen Not so, I wrote in 68000 asm and it was pretty easy.
 
@robjohn It is not hard, it just is a lot of work!
@BenjaminLim Aha. Cute.
 
@JonasTeuwen The 68000 instruction set was not that big logically, but there were a lot of modes you could set that gave it many more instructions actually.
addressing modes, etc
 
I only know a few architectures :-). Then I played with chemistry and chess... Physics. Now mathematics. Way cooler.
 
@JonasTeuwen There was a lot of orthogonality that made it simpler to use.
@JonasTeuwen Never was much into chemistry, but I was quite into chess for a while.
 
3:16 PM
Cool. Were you as good as you are in mathematics? 8-).
 
haven't played a lot recently.
 
Neither did I.
All my friends are 2300 or above :-(.
They kick my ass big time.
 
@JonasTeuwen Considering I'm not really that good at math, probably :-)
@JonasTeuwen I am nowhere near there, I don't think. I never played in a rated tournament.
 
Oh :-). I played in plenty! Even skipped school for that.
I'm more near 2200 (from below). Or rather: I was.
 
@JonasTeuwen There were probably a lot in Los Angeles, but I could never get my parents to take me to those parts of the city.
 
3:19 PM
I just booked a hotel.
 
@JonasTeuwen That's good, just between expert and master!
 
Well, it sucks if you lose almost every time of your friends :-).
 
@Antonio: in case you're interested, I put up a second answer on that Bessel function question.
 
@JonasTeuwen I just looked up my USCF membership and see that it expires on New Year's Eve. I'll have to watch that.
 
You can be a life-time member with the USCF right?
 
3:23 PM
@JM Cool! I'll check it out.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah, I might look into that.
@JonasTeuwen is your rating an FIDE rating?
 
@robjohn Yes, but it expired years ago!
I didn't pay the membership of the national federation and they pay to FIDE I think.
 
@JonasTeuwen there's an annual fee?
 
Hmm, I don't remember. I think so. For the national one they don't process your games if you don't pay.
But you can play games of course.
 
I see. I'm too dense for chess, so I'm content with playing checkers... :)
 
3:28 PM
Did you memorize the optimal solution? 8-).
With all these crazy special functions you seem more like a go person to me!
 
@JonasTeuwen For checkers? There's one?
 
I thought it was "solved"?
 
@JonasTeuwen I've tried it once when I was in Japan. Here, I've no one to play it with.
@JonasTeuwen I didn't know about that...
 
I might be mistaken.
 
@JonasTeuwen Hah, somebody left a comment at one of my posts: "no special function is too special for J.M.!" A bit of a stretch, but I smiled anyway...
 
3:32 PM
@JM Very interesting. I'll probably ask you a question or two about it sometime, but I'm a bit distracted now :)
 
@JonasTeuwen I was just wondering if there was another rating body in Europe other than the FIDE. Only the international players here seem to have an FIDE rating.
 
@JM :-)))))).
@robjohn Yes, every country has its national federation. Only 2000+ players have a FIDE rating.
Maybe that has changed now.
 
@JM It's nice to get those kinds of comments once in a while :-)
 
@robjohn, special is as special does =P
 
@JonasTeuwen well, if you were in the 2200 range, you'd whup me good :-)
 
3:35 PM
@JonasTeuwen did you watch the video?
 
@JonasTeuwen when playing rated players that I knew, we sort of estimated somewhere around 1800 for me, but not officially.
 
@BenjaminLim Yes. Nice girls.
@robjohn Good. At least something I'm better at 8-).
 
@JonasTeuwen that's the life in sydney :D
 
And I will be in Canberra :-(.
 
@Jonas I just started learning chess, played ~20 games. If we ever meet, I'd love to play a game and get destroyed.
 
3:37 PM
No problem! 8-). Didn't play officially in years... but okay!
 
Isn't it like riding a bike?
 
@AntonioVargas it is a bit, but it does take a bit of upkeep.
practice keeps you sharp.
 
Yes, of course. I will not forgot how to play chess, but practice keeps you sharp.
As robjohn says.
Plus you need to keep track of all the new cool tricks :-).
 
"So... this horse... the bishop rides him into battle, yes?"
 
@JonasTeuwen the new opening variations, and such.
@AntonioVargas Yes, the horsie jumps!
 
3:39 PM
Yes, but if you have a certain level people will know this say up to 25 moves...
 
@AntonioVargas :D
 
That's not so fun.
So I do very strange things.
And then I get my ass kicked because it is too strange.
 
"I hate him. His horsie was of the Trojan sort..."
 
@JonasTeuwen That was one of my weaknesses; I never studied the openings enough. I didn't memorize the moves that deep.
@JonasTeuwen However, when I play my friends these days, my openings break pretty fast into the middle game and I usually win there :-)
@JM We Bruins dislike most things Trojan :-) (USC vs UCLA rivalry)
 
8-). I didn't really memorize the games, I just checked them and then they somewhat were still in my brain.
Everybody kept saying: This Jonas, he knows all the openings! Studies very hard.
I did not.
I was always unprepared.
 
3:43 PM
Anybody see that tv show endgame?
 
It was probably some cognitive dissonance thingie to explain why their ass got kicked.
 
@JoeStavitsky never did. Was it any good?
@JonasTeuwen probably.
 
@robjohn, yea pretty cool. Think its still on hulu
 
@JoeStavitsky I have never used Hulu
 
@robjohn, an eccentric chess genius and his eccentric friends. They Solve Crimes.
@robjohn, so sorry
 
3:44 PM
@JoeStavitsky Ah, sounds a bit like Numbers, then.
@JoeStavitsky but Numbers was with eccentric mathematicians.
Now eccentric orbital mechanists are another thing.
 
One of these days, they'll come up with this crime show where the lead has the weirdest job of all...
 
Numbers started pretty strong but became unwatchable. Literally groan-inducing.
 
@robjohn, better than numbers imo
 
@AntonioVargas Due to the schmoopy grad student, I take it?
 
@robjohn, also major props from a real russian for a russian impersonation
 
3:47 PM
@AntonioVargas You mean about the things they said they could compute?
 
@AntonioVargas, didnt the lead get real sick?
 
I agree, there were a cornucopia of reasons.
@JoeStavitsky As part of the story? I must have stopped watching before then. Or do you mean the actor?
 
@AntonioVargas, no the actor
 
Hm, that's too bad. I didn't know.
 
@AntonioVargas There was a show called Las Vegas where they would take footage off of security cameras and "enhance" it to the point of ridiculousness. They would even take infrared footage from them.
 
3:49 PM
@robjohn CSI?
 
@JM A number-cruncher? :D.
 
@AntonioVargas, yea, thyroid it says
 
@AntonioVargas I stayed away from the CSIs
 
That would be a pretty cool job description.
 
@JonasTeuwen Weirder... ;)
 
3:50 PM
@AntonioVargas But my wife and I enjoy NCIS.
 
@robjohn: It is possible to get ir from security cams, but not in post (as I think you mean)
 
I'm surprised they never took a mirror from a crime scene and used some chemical process to reveal latent images.
 
@JoeStavitsky If you have them filtered for IR, but these were standard visual cameras.
@AntonioVargas There was a sci-fi show where they would follow people's trails back through the disturbances in the air. My wife had trouble keeping me from yelling at the TV.
 
@AntonioVargas Now that is quite the stretch of credulity...
 
@robjohn, they just had really good noses
 
3:53 PM
@robjohn Awesome. But hey, that's what the "fi" portion of the genre is supposed to be...
 
@robjohn Amazing.
 
@robjohn, "Cops have drug detecting dogs. Similarly, some neighborhoods have cop detecting kids" - Michael Westin, burn notice
 
@robjohn Chaos theory! 8-).
 
Now theres a tv show for the whole family =P
 
So... They actually worked back to the initial condition of a chaotic system? Extremely cool!
 
3:55 PM
@JoeStavitsky That is a decent show
 
Also, in CSI they zoomed in with a surveillance camera.
 
@JonasTeuwen isn't it though?
 
And eventually they read a license plate from the reflection in the guys eye.
Which was like 20m away.
@robjohn Extremely 8-).
 
@JonasTeuwen That's the kind of thing they did in Las Vegas, too.
 
@robjohn "Guns make you stupid. Fight your wars with duct tape. Duct tape makes you smart."
 
3:56 PM
@robjohn I also want an arbitrary resolution camera!
 
@JoeStavitsky That's from the pilot, if I remember.
 
@robjohn, yes indeedy
 
@JonasTeuwen Those would be good. Encode the various resolutions with Hilbert curves.
 
$\forall x: \text{$x$ Megapixels!}$
 
render
 
3:58 PM
@robjohn :D.
@Ilya Do you see the text appear if you move your mouse over my photo fa.its.tudelft.nl/~teuwen here?
 
@JonasTeuwen nope
 
@JonasTeuwen I actually thought, before digital broadcasts, that using Hilbert curves would be a good way to encode various levels of detail. To display lower quality you just average over the smaller squares.
 
Doesn't that work? alt when your image is a link?
 

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