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Mad Scientist

10:06 AM

@kalina No, it is a current problem and patch 1.0.7 isn't out yet

fredley

10:24 AM

Is this a Gnome sockpuppet?

kalina

what makes you think that

fredley

@kalina It's a Gnome question

kalina

It can't be a gnome question, it's about a game that's more than a few hundred mb in size

I guess he could have been downloading the trilogy since 2007

that user does like asking fringe questions though

I have to say my favourite question so far today that I've found is this:

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Q: Why is the series named "Mass Effect"?

Having never played any game in the series before, I am intrigued by the name. Is it ever explained in the third game? If not, what's it meaning? (spolier-less as possible, if possible)

mass-effect-series

which is a clear 'why did they do that?' question

but it's about a well loved game and can be answered, so it's exempt from the rules, right?

not to mention it's full of a whole load of unmarked spoilers

I feel grumpy this morning, I'm blaming having to be at work

I also feel a bit ill, which is a feeling I'm not used to

fredley

@kalina so I had a terrible night

It's 2 am, and I'm woken up by what sounds like scratching at the front door. It lasts for a few seconds.

Turn over, ignore it. 5 minutes later, it happens again. A kind of scratching, and fiddling with the letterbox.

This happens a few more times, once every few minutes, and I get properly spooked.

Get out of bed, turn on lights, adrenaline pumping.

Go downstairs and shout 'Hello?'

No reply at first, then, after 20 seconds, someone replies.

Turns out it's my housemate, who's lost his keys, sitting on the doorstep, in the -8°C cold. He's afraid to ring the doorbell in case we wake up.

I was incandescent with rage.

kalina

10:43 AM

:(

fredley

Quite.

kalina

well at least you woke up, otherwise he would have frozen

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Is it really that dangerous where you live that you can't go out and investigate your own front door in the middle of the night?

kalina

although I hate things like that, since I live alone any random noises trigger paranoia

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Is it the wildlife?

kalina

10:44 AM

I miss having a room mate

fredley

@kalina Well quite.

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It's not dangerous, but I wouldn't say it's perfectly safe either.

kalina

my neighbours annoy me in exactly the same way

they stamp their feet up and down stairs all night

but the wall between the houses is quite thin so it sounds at times like somebody is walking up my stairs

fredley

@kalina Yeh, I'm in a terrace, although neighbours not too bad. Housemates do thump around though.

kalina

I could live with it if it were house mates

thing is, all of my electronic stuff is on the top floor

theoretically people could break into my house and I wouldn't hear it until they were half way up the stairs

fredley

@kalina I think being burgled while you're in is very very rare (dependent on location)

kalina

10:49 AM

@fredley you wouldn't be able to tell that I'm "in" until you were inside the house

fredley

My problem is my bedroom window opens over a roof, so it's very easy for someone to climb up and remove things if I leave the window open, which I often want to do most of the time in Summer

@kalina Crooks ring the doorbell. If there's someone in, they leave.

kalina

I don't hear the doorbell on the top floor

fredley

@kalina That's easily remedied.

google.co.uk/products/…

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Hmm, I just set up a spinning icon using Font Awesome. It looks great, but when I add a text shadow to it the text shadow starts spinning with the icon

kalina

I looked at that, read 'flashing strobe' multiple times, and now I want one just for the strobe

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

10:53 AM

Which is just annoying

kalina

@fredley I've just realised what's happening here

you're spamming tag wiki's to get to 20k

and I'm helping

starts rejecting

fredley

@kalina Yes. Well noticed.

@kalina :(

kalina

I am only 4.5k from 20k

not bad for 7 months

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3.5k in 2 years! Yay me!

kalina

I am going to end up spending about 10 hours researching answers to my own question to get my accept rate back up to 100%

fml

fredley

11:07 AM

@kalina Or delete question. Or live with the blemish.

kalina

@fredley can't delete a question that has an answer on it

fredley

@kalina Accept answer, even if wrong.

kalina

@fredley never going to happen

fredley

@kalina Nothing to stop you, site policy absolutely says you can.

kalina

well the site policy is flawed in many ways

common sense prevails

it's not useful if it's wrong

I hand out upvotes relatively easily in comparison to most but I'm not going to upvote/accept answers that are wrong

fredley

11:08 AM

So that's odd. I've run in two elections, I have a lot of profile views as a result (1,700). You have 2,100.

kalina

happens

its the pink avatar

badp

This is clearly a ruse by @fredley to answer all of your quesions with "bacon" and have you accept them in order to get your accept rate to 100%

fredley

@badp And for me to get delicious accept votes and break 20k

kalina

and if its nothing as innocent as the pink avatar, then it's because I'm outspoken, loud, complain lots and cause friction

badp

@fredley You know, your race towards 20k would be more... exciting if we blindfolded you, preventing you from seeing your reputation for a week or so.

Exciting, right?!

fredley

11:11 AM

Not everyone finds being blindfolded as exciting as you, @badp

kalina

I think @fredley's race to 20k would be more interesting if he was competing against somebody

badp

@fredley Yep, I rate being blindfolded at "not exceedingly exciting"

Others like it more. ;)

fredley

@kalina I am self-motivated. Problem?

badp

And I'm willing to bet you don't know how exciting it'll be until I do suspend you for a week. You'll be consumed by the wait, pressing F5 until "1" turns into your real reputation score. Will it have broken 20k by then?? WILL IT?!?!?

It's win-win!!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Actually, that's not a very good idea

badp

11:13 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It's an awesome idea.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Since he can't post in that one week, he can extrapolate the rep gain through old posts from old data

kalina

@fredley I just think it would be more interesting if you and I had the same rep and were racing to 20k

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

And project forward how long it would take to gain enough to reach 20k.

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone but a flat projection would fail because people would be less inclined to upvote posts by a person with 1 rep.

So you need to estimate some kind of dampening factor.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Meh, I don't think it's that big a deal.

badp

11:14 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Actually I think it is.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

And 500 reps through old posts only could take months

badp

and, yknow, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO KNOW

@YiJiang'sEvilClone WIN-WIN-WIN

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp FOR SCIENCE

kalina

but my current interest is getting site-first 'Steward' badge in at least two categories

fredley

@kalina If we had the same rep, the race would already be over.

kalina

11:15 AM

@fredley how?

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Actually the amount of rep I'm getting from old posts is surprising. Most of my rep in 2012 was from old posts.

fredley

@kalina You would be at the point at which you were overtaking me, and I would have lost.

You are gaining rep much faster than me

kalina

hardly

badp

I've gained 1k rep on SO in ~a year despite only posting a couple of questions

(yay close powers)

kalina

There just aren't many questions on the site at the moment that I want to answer

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:16 AM

I gain anywhere between 10-50 reps on SO every day

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Yeah, I have pretty good Money for Jam

@kalina I've beaten the @kalina system :-P

kalina

@fredley wrong

fredley

@kalina :(

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

and since you're intent is to beat me, let me crush your mood by saying I am currently eating a bacon sandwich

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:19 AM

Oh hey, SE's rounding system seems to think @fredley has 20k now

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone The privilege system does not :(

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone yeah he got over 1995x

badp

> I was approaching OrigamiRobot and then he pulled away again -Kalina

kalina

@badp this is definitely abuse of moderator privileges

badp

@kalina what? at most it's abuse of owner privileges.

wink wink hint hint.

kalina

11:22 AM

can room owners see deleted messages?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Room owner can see deleted post history?

badp

I'm fairly certain they can

Try opening chat.stackexchange.com/messages/7713495/history

kalina

INTERESTING

somebody unsuspectingly gave me the most powerful tool against the GnomeSlice evar!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I don't think you can flag deleted messages

kalina

It doesn't stop me from waiting until @badp goes afk and then removing the star though

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:23 AM

@kalina You can remove it now. @fredley can't star the same message again, I think

badp

I am so close to clicking on "remove from owners of this room" from kalina's dropdown :P

kalina

true story, but if I remove it now @badp might pin it

and then the world will end

badp

I don't think you can pin what was forcefully unstarred

SCIENCE TIME

kalina

I wonder if I can remove @badp from the list of room owners

badp

You could but I remain a mod :P

fredley

11:24 AM

@badp It's like a MOD-ABUSE-off

badp

@fredley awesome, innit?

fredley

@kalina Terrible mod. Terrible terrible mod.

kalina

@badp but then it's a mod actually abusing moderator powers

fredley

@badp It's fun to watch the abuse, rather than be abused for once.

badp

@kalina not really, I'm using owner level features

@fredley When's the last time I actually did throw mod abuse in your direction?!

kalina

11:25 AM

I wrote an awfully suspect sentence there about us abusing fredley at the same time

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fredley

@badp The memory still haunts me :(

kalina

but my wording looked perverted

badp

@fredley Share with us. It'll help you heal the wound faster!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Weaponized stars, tsk tsk... what is the world coming to?

fredley

@badp No!

kalina

11:27 AM

people only ever seem to star things I say when they could be interpreted as perverse

it's like you're all a bunch of ... oh

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Men?

badp

out of context star abuse has been a thing since the very start

kalina

I suppose you could use that word, it wasn't the first one that came to mind

badp

like, the day-long private beta two years ago

kalina

OMG OrigamiBot overtook that DMA person

now I have to overtake two people to be ahead

the side effect of that though, is that overtaking both puts me in the top 20 users on the site by rep

and then I can quit

badp

11:29 AM

your mind is a strange place

it's like you were a... oh.

kalina

I know my mind is strange

Unlike men, who only think about one thing at once, I have over 9000 different thought processes going at once

I have noticed that fredley is looking through my unaccepted questions for easy rep

I decided before he even did that there was no way I was going to accept them

badp

oh wow I've used "convert to edit" for the first time

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Hmmm?

kalina

what is that?

badp

when an asker posts a self-answer that isn't actually a self-answer

fredley

11:33 AM

@kalina Lol, no you can't

badp

the button deletes the answer and appends it to the question body

fredley

@kalina :(

badp

I didn't think I'd use it on a 4ker tho

fredley

@kalina Even if it's right?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Neat. Can't see much use for it though

fredley

11:34 AM

I was trying to help you get back to 100% accepted!

kalina

@fredley I can, I could do it right now!

@fredley :p~

@fredley It's not right, not for ME1 anyway

works in ME2

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Yes. Yes you can. I'll be waiting here for you.

fredley

@kalina What on earth happened to your tongue?

kalina

@fredley blowing raspberries

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina 3~~~

fredley

11:35 AM

@kalina Ah

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Ew

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone eww

wait, if I downvote all of these answers to '0' do they not count towards my accepted answer score?

I don't want to downvote answers, it costs rep

I shouldn't be punished for other people's mistakes!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina They won't anymore

badp

@kalina oh, you min maxer you.

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone downvotes EVERYTHING

@badp It is fair to say that I have played MMOs more than any other genre of game during my life time

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

The rate will take at least 24 hours to update, though

kalina

11:36 AM

min-maxing happens as naturally as breathing at this point

@YiJiang'sEvilClone you lie! I lost rep!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I mean, the question won't count towards your accept rate calculation

fredley

@kalina Upvotes bad answers

kalina

@fredley cool, I will get loads of rep if you start upvoting bad answers

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

If the question doesn't have any answer with score > 0, they won't be counted towards the accept rate percentages

fredley

@kalina Bad answers other people have left on your questions

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:38 AM

Answer downvotes always cost you rep, except if the answer is CW

kalina

@fredley YOU ARE MEAN

fredley

@kalina meab

kalina

wtb 10 people to downvote everything @fredley has ever posted on any stackexchange site, paying £100 per person

fredley

@kalina Accepted.

kalina

@fredley you are exempt from this offer

fredley

11:39 AM

@kalina :(

@kalina Anyway, I posted another answer, hooray for me

kalina

gee, why don't you just post 10 answers on the same question

you could at least post one correct answer

fredley

@kalina :(

kalina

so I can play Mass Effect again

now I have to download auto hot key

so that I can tell you that you're wrong

sigh

and even if you turn out to be right

I will wait until you've got to 20k before accepting

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley and @kalina sitting in a tree, P O S T I N G

kalina

;)

I am not posting anything

Mad Scientist

11:43 AM

@kalina It would be rather difficult to do that without triggering the serial voting script

kalina

@MadScientist vote once every 30 minutes

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Nonsense, dear. You want the rep. You need the rep.

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'm just going to coast the whole way to 20k

I have 5 months left to get there

fredley

4 upvotes away from 20k

Mad Scientist

@kalina No idea if that would work, but the script is also not the only defense.

kalina

11:44 AM

@MadScientist spreading them out does work

not that I have extensively tested it or anything

I imagine there is some trigger in place if the same user is responsible for a large portion of the votes though

Gaming Topics From Outside

0

Q: How does one obtain and install KSokoban?

How does one obtain and install KSokoban on Ubuntu 12.10? It used to be there in KDE 3, but is gone now.

installation games

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone What do you do on SE, if not P O S T I N G?

kalina

@fredley flagging, voting, chatting, tingting

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley Chatting. Editing. Flagging. Stalking.

kalina

editing of course

I preferred E D I T I N G if I'm honest

since let's face it, the vast majority of editing on arqade wouldn't have happened without fredley and I

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:49 AM

@kalina I'm not sure if we needed that much editing

fredley

@kalina o/

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone well, I disagree

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone We are the most coherent Gaming community by a very long way

kalina

and I would have edited more if people had stopped complaining about me temporarily destroying the front page

so short sighted, not looking at the big picture

fredley

@kalina I've still got my tag singe-er somewhere. Could be adapted for editing

kalina

11:52 AM

there are still tags that need burning

fredley

You could set up a script that automatically performs your edits, from some queue you've defined, one every 5 minutes.

@kalina Such as?

kalina

I don't know off the top of my head

I know that I didn't finish, so it's not finished yet

I will just upset everybody one day by submitting 1000 retags in the space of an hour

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley It's not exactly hard to earn that distinction

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone but it is something to be proud of

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

We'd have won purely based on the fact that our members can speak English good

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kalina

11:54 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone the irony in this statement

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina It was on purpose

kalina

I had figured

fredley

Cello Fortress

Lazers

12:07 PM

0

Q: Why can't OS X handle this Minecraft mod pack but Windows can?

I have this mod pack here containing ~90 mods. (for use with MultiMC) When I attempt to play on my Mac, within minutes it crashes, with no error. It just stops after some heavy lag. However, using the same computer, with the same maximum amount of memory as on OSX, it runs flawlessly, without is...

minecraft cross-platform

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Q: How do I find my Staff of Magnus in Skyrim?

I've been asked to close a rupture and need my Staff of Magnus to do this. Thing is, I don't know where I've kept it. I've lived in the Dawnstar sanctuary and checked there, but its not there. I live in the College of Winterhold where I'm Arch Mage, and checked there. But it's not there either. ...

skyrim

kalina

ok I am cold enough that I'm going to put my gloves back on

OrigamiRobot

12:29 PM

1 hour ago, by badp

> I was approaching OrigamiRobot and then he pulled away again -Kalina

wat

kalina

@OrigamiRobot we were ~100 rep apart before christmas and then you played FTL

StrixVaria

I just don't understand people.

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Q: How do I restore the glory of the Thieves Guild?

One of the achievements for the Thieves Guild says "Restore the Thieves Guild to its former glory." Brynjolf doesn't say anything to me, I can't seem to find Karliah, and as far as I can tell, I am finished with the plotline quests for the Theives Guild. All I have left available are repeatable ...

skyrim

Someone just downvoted this.

It doesn't really matter, I still have more rep than I know what to do with.

I have to assume he was just jealous that I'm so awesome and I asked such an amazing question before he did.

Lazers

0

Q: When do a dungeon path counts as a daily path - In its beggining or end?

I think the best way to ask this question is with an example. We all know the server reset its dailies in midnight UTC, so, let's suppose it's the day of the lord 17 Jan 2012, 11:45 UTC, I'm with a group and we start Ascalonian Catacombs Dungeon doing the Path 1. But we just finish it at 18 Jan ...

guild-wars-2

0

Q: Do the footsteps outside in the modern Villa Auditore in Monteriggioni mean anything?

When I "Leave Animus" I am able to go outside and explore the modern day "Villa Auditore" as Desmond. There was an early mission to do some stuff out there, but otherwise I don't see much point and apparently if I stay outside too long something bad happens, though I don't know what - I've never...

assassins-creed-bh

kalina

12:45 PM

@StrixVaria tbh all downvotes should cost enough rep to prevent people from downvoting unless they mean it

but that rep should be refunded if somebody else also downvotes

far too much random downvoting for no reason

Ben Brocka

1:01 PM

@kalina Generally speaking there' s not enough downvoting on stuff that should have been, especially answers. Random single downvotes on extremely highly voted answers aren't a good reason to greatly reduce overall downvotes

badp

1:11 PM

Downvotes can't cost more than they deduct

and maybe -2 for a downvote isn't enough, but still anything more would get people exceedingly worked up about downvotes

StrixVaria

@badp In this case it was a question, so the downvote was free.

badp

@StrixVaria eh, random downvotes happen

even when you're not Reddit and downvotes actually cost

StrixVaria

Yeah, like I said, it doesn't really matter.

badp

In other news, oh god are "hoppers" actual things in Minecraft?

why does Minecraft have to be this terrible kitchen sink of random stuff that doesn't make sense

Can't they leave this shit to mods?

Ben Brocka

@DaveMcClelland

the Infinity pistol (the rarest pistol in the game and quite possibly the rarest gun of all), has a 0.07% (that's less than a 1 in 1000 chance of dropping) drop rate!

Glad we didn't try to farm that for too long

kalina

1:25 PM

ah god so close to falling asleep

and it's snowing again

Ben Brocka

@badp Because even for Minecraft mods are a big barrier to entry and a general UX cluser$%^&, so they just incorporate the most common suggestions/hacks/mods into the real game where it can be implimented

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria Hey, I got a random, nonsensical downvote too!

badp

@BenBrocka Many launchers try to hide the complexity by cramming as many mods into minecraft.jar as they can

Grace Note

@kalina Sleep~

kalina

@GraceNote sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Wipqozn

1:45 PM

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OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert We have a winter storm warning advising us not to drive tonight unless there's an emergency.

Dave McClelland

@BenBrocka Oh man, that's a huge bummer. I suppose I'll wait until the level cap is maxed to really try for one

OrigamiRobot

FOR 3-5 INCHES

DUN DUN DUN

badp

Oh god oh god oh god who thought this would be a good idea

The newest Chrome replaces system contextual menus with their own implementation

...and every menu item is now huge

kalina

@badp which version?

badp

1:51 PM

26

kalina

hmm

why is mine reported as up to date at 24

Mad Scientist

@badp You're on the beta channel

kalina

ah

badp is whining about beta changes

tut tut

badp

@MadScientist so?

kalina

if you want to use a beta release of anything expect the unexpected

badp

1:53 PM

I do wish it was a bug

but a custom implementation of right click menu is hardly a bug

kalina

woo woo flags in english language & usage

moderation team... dispatch!

@badp I was careful not to use the word 'bug' in any of the sentences I posted

badp

@kalina unexpected behaviour = bug

:P

kalina

I didn't use the word behaviour either

I simply said expect the unexpected

you didn't expect it

so it was unexpected

Marketing explained:

1. You see gorgeous girl in party, you go to her and say I am rich marry me - That’s Direct Marketing.
2. You attend party and your friend goes to a girl and pointing at you tells her. He is very rich, marry him - That’s Advertising.
3. Girl walks to you and says you are rich, can you marry me? - That’s brand recognition
4. You say I'm very rich marry me and she slaps you - That’s customer feedback
5. You say I'm very rich marry me and she introduces you to her husband - That’s demand and supply gap

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