The Bridge

badp

7:00 PM

machines can typically cooperate while using different kernel versions

Dragonrage

@Wrigglenite i see you have started handling red flags :)

Wipqozn

@badp Which game?

Yuuki

@InvaderSkoodge I keep starting up my Switch to finally buy it and play it but then I get sidetracked by my other games.

@Wipqozn Side note, the third character in Slay The Spire is pretty fun.

Dragonrage

10 mins ago, by Invader Skoodge

Octopath Traveler

badp

@Wipqozn IF ONLY YOU POSSESSED THE POWER OF READING THY LOGS

Yuuki

7:01 PM

I had a deck where I had four Power cards that kept giving me extra cards and orbs.

Dragonrage

@badp can turtles read?

badp

@Yuuki oh man you should try making a custom game where you go endless + legacy mode + a bunch more mods

Dragonrage

@Yuuki he is actually pretty broken

Wrigglenite

@Dragonrage I didn't even know there were different kinds of flags

Dragonrage

@badp last time i played StS, i got to a point where i can literally endlessly continue

Yuuki

7:03 PM

Storm would give me a Lightning orb whenever I played a Power card, a card that gave me a zero-cost Power card, a Power card that gave me a free draw every turn, another Power card that gave me another free card every turn...

Ave

@badp the concept of livepatching kernels seems really fragile to me even though a ton of enterprise prod stuff are livepatched

badp

@Dragonrage that custom game I've never actually finished, I was at depth 15 or so

Dragonrage

@Wrigglenite red flags are the r/a, spam, etc. everything else are normal white flags

@badp i got to the point where i had over 600 cards, and i had 5 cards in my starting hand that would deal as much damage as i had cards, and they were all like 1 or 0 cost

badp

> Vintage, Time Dilation, Flight, Endless, probably a couple more

Yuuki

Oh and I had Loop which was nice.

Dragonrage

7:05 PM

ill start up the game sometime and see if i still have it saved. if so ill screen shot it

badp

@Dragonrage I mean the game DOES have an endless mode where you get a bunch of blights to make each redo harder (the second row of modifiers in that screenshot)

Dragonrage

im pretty sure i was in endless mode with the blights

badp

nice

Dragonrage

i was just able to one shot everything every round because of the amount of cards i had

Yuuki

And also that one card that returned every 0-cost card in your discard pile to your hand.

Wrigglenite

7:07 PM

You guys were talking about Teamfight Tactics earlier, right? Valve's standalone Auto Chess game just released on App Store and Google Store

badp

nice

Yuuki

@Wrigglenite According to my friend who has played it, it sucks.

badp

I saw a stream of that game and I was really surprised to see games go 40 minutes long

Wrigglenite

Yeah, games can go on for a while

badp

that said the original autochess game will straight up send all of the PII it can to China so

Yuuki

7:08 PM

He says that LoL's is better than Valve's standalone but the original Dota 2 mod is better than both.

Wrigglenite

@Yuuki I've been having fun with it, a custom UI goes a long way IMO

badp

custom UIs probably aren't happening on mobile...

fredley

twitter.com/faith_schaffer/status/1141747855977144320

Wrigglenite

As in, not using the mod's UI

badp

why did you break embeds

Ave

7:10 PM

/r/frenworld got banned

today is a good day

badp

@Ave it's always good to know that there's someone More Extremely Online than you are

should I google what that thing was about

Ave

@badp pol.a3.pm/#honkler

yes I have a stallman.org style website

because I ended up having too many tags on discord

and couldn't maintain them all

I didn't even move them all yet

badp

oh no I've been using the word "fren" :(

Ave

(and I also have a bunch of stuff res-saved on reddit that I still need to move)

badp

I guess I'm gonna have to use some other corruption of the word

Wrigglenite

7:12 PM

Oh, it's out on Steam as well

ToxicFrog

@badp a friend of mine elsenet uses "fronts"

Er

"fronds"

Ave

sad server

(I'm compiling python3.7.3 on prod, while archiving a couple links, which requires a headless chromium instance)

user15026

@Ave I don't know3 what this is and I am glad I don't

Ave

I'm happy that it's gone now.

ToxicFrog

@Ash white supremacist stuff

Yuuki

7:16 PM

@Ave Great, more people ruining more "words".

user15026

@ToxicFrog when in doubt, I tend to assume that

Ave

honestly I don't know what the correct approach is

ignoring its hateful use and not giving up on it while risking being mistaken for a hateful person, or giving up on it and not being mistaken for a hateful person

badp

some things are just too soiled to redeem

swastikas

pepes

other things they've tried to soil but kinda failed

Ave

yeah, but "fren"? ok hand? clowns?

badp

I mean

it's a judgement call thing right?

there's no right answer

Unionhawk

7:18 PM

@Ave I refuse to believe it was ever real and am not accepting corrections on this

Ave

@Unionhawk it was never real, it never existed

badp

@Unionhawk it's okay you're permawrong after all

I mean

Ave

in other news

SaintWacko

@Ave Oh nice! That is fantastic to hear

Ave

Alex Myers

7:21 PM

I was just browsing /r/imsorryjon moments ago

Ave

@SaintWacko ikr, we're actually having a bit of a celebration over at the communities I hang out in

SaintWacko

@Ave I still choose to believe that says "YOU ARE NOT TO PROPAGATE"

Ave

@AlexMyers that's the best subreddit

Yuuki

... I think this remix is just the song played at 1.5x speed.

badp

wanting to use words when they're no longer cool is kind of the same thought pattern as "I've always called people r-s, why should I stop now, it's clear to everyone that I don't actually mean people with development deficiencies"

Yuuki

7:22 PM

Someone got a paycheck for this?

badp

so...

SaintWacko

@AlexMyers That subreddit has exploded recently

badp

there are things that AFAICT the alt-right tried and failed to spoil, like in-season "happy Hanukkah"

who knows maybe they'll try and ruin OwO next

Yuuki

@badp To be fair, OwO kinda ruined itself.

badp

not in the same way

big difference between annoying or shitty memes and spoiled memes

Ave

7:26 PM

honestly I wish i had enough time to actually keep an eye on rw circles

badp

meme started shitty then got spoiled

@Ave why would you do that to yourself though?

Ave

@badp to be safe, to be "in the know".

badp

doesn't mean you need to be in the front lines

actually being in the front lines sounds like the opposite of being safe

Ave

I (obviously) wouldn't go under an identity that could be traced back to me

badp

still, don't forget to be kind to yourself and take the time to disconnect

Ave

7:31 PM

I also need to read more theory

and need to find time to go through my todos
and need to find time to actually finish my million half-done blog posts

dly

@Ave pretty small cup

Ave

@dly i have big hands

Unionhawk

@badp permanently in third place

Except for on the nitw leaderboard

And the donut county leaderboard

user15026

Someone remind me that arguing with TERFs isn't gonna get me anywhere.

Ave

switch, psp, dsl, n3ds for comparison

Yuuki

7:46 PM

Hmm... Play-Ins and Group stage will be in Berlin.

Ave

and as a person with big hands: no, the joycons aren't made for people with "baby hands", they're fairly comfortable

Yuuki

@Ash Well, arguing with TERFs is not, to my knowledge, a valid mode of transportation.

You're better off just taking the bus.

badp

@Unionhawk did you end third in the election?

user15026

@Yuuki you have a valid point!

badp

oh yes you did

1st: Wrigglenite
2nd: Frank
3rd: Unionhawk
4th: Dragonrage
5th: dly
6th: Gigazelle
7th: FoxMcCloud
8th: iVhagar

dly

7:54 PM

@Ave

Ave

@dly cool

dly

the big one holds 2 liters

badp

convenient

so you pour from the big cup into the medium cup into the small cup into your mouth?

dly

indeed.. no more walking to the kitchen every few minutes

badp

I... just have a glass bottle that I "stole" from one of the interview rooms

Dragonrage

7:57 PM

@badp might possibly change if you run the election with more seats though

badp

@Dragonrage that is exactly what I did to get those rankings

dly

@badp nope, I'm using one of these depending on how much time I have to spend sitting at the desk.. so mostly the medium one, because I have to go talk to other people a lot

badp

if you only want one winner that's Wrigglenite; if you want two, you also get Frank; and so on

Dragonrage

oh, how did you do that. where is the option to change the amount of seats?

badp

download the ballot

download and install the software

don't forget to set it to meek STV

Dragonrage

7:58 PM

you used to just be able to run the election again but change the amount of seats on the site

now its way too many steps :(

dly

the software still supports it

badp

it's really not that bad gfycat.com/ThreadbareCraftyArcherfish

anyway I just run the numbers for you so you don't have to

Dragonrage

wasnt there an option to do it on the opavote site before?

badp

idk

SE is possibly the only place where you can still get this software; the people who made it have switched to that pay-as-you-go website model thing

Yuuki

@badp Did you try running it with 12 slots?

dly

8:02 PM

more slots than candidates?

badp

@Yuuki am I in 12th place? because there are only 9 candidates so the winner count will only go up to 8

Dragonrage

i still find it interesting that even with the 2nd most cumulative votes (1st + 2nd + 3rd) i rank as 4th

Yuuki

Seems like it'd be a fun thing to try.

badp

 R|Unionhawk      |Dragonrage     |Frank          |Gigazelle      |FoxMcCloud     |dly
  |---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------
  |Wrigglenite    |iVhagar        |The Mattbat999 |Exhausted      |Surplus        |Threshold
==================================================================================================
 1|      95.000000|      74.000000|     110.000000|      28.000000|      22.000000|      34.000000
  |     201.000000|      16.000000|       9.000000|       0.000000|      53.749999|     147.250001

Yuuki

@Dragonrage Something something popular vote?

badp

8:04 PM

These are the logs

Unionhawk started with more 1st choices

and that's what decided it really

dly

@Dragonrage cumulative means nothing in meek stv.. the order goes first

Dragonrage

i had the 4th most 1st choices, and most of my votes were second choices, but i was almost always second to someone who had more 1st choices, so most of those votes never counted for me

badp

wrong

Alex Myers

I had no idea the behind-the-scenes of the SE voting process was so complex.

badp

election winners only keep just enough of each vote that they need to stay winners

Yuuki

8:06 PM

You thought packed seats were bad?

badp

(so to stay above the Threshold)

Yuuki

dly

and of those who voted for elected or eliminated candidates get their share of what has (not) been used into the next choice

badp

so e.g. Wrigglenite held onto 63.9656% of his votes and the remaining 36.0344% went to each ballot's next choice

there's probably complications around corner cases like "someone only pick a single preference"

Wrigglenite

Yeah, that reminds me, how are second choice votes split? According to the actual ratio of second choices for that candidate's votes?

Dragonrage

8:09 PM

what advantages are there to using meek stv with only 3 votes, vs something like coombs method and ranking all candidates?

dly

if you spent 60% of your first choice (threshold) you get your vote counted with 0.4 of 1

badp

@Dragonrage they specifically didn't want to make voting that complicated

you COULD run Meek and rank all nine candidates

but they only let you pick three candidates to make things easier I suppose

that said second choices do matter when a candidate wins by a landslide. IIRC I got elected on second votes :P

dly

there's no need to run it with 9 choices.. you will hardly ever get far enough with only 2-3 seats

badp

Grace just crushed it

 R|juan           |badp           |Grace Note     |FAE            |Ivo Flipse     |C. Ross
  |---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------
  |Kevin Yap      |Mad Scientist  |Exhausted      |Surplus        |Threshold
==================================================================================================
 1|      11.000000|      26.000000|      62.000000|       4.000000|       3.000000|       5.000000
  |       0.000000|       2.000000|       0.000000|      33.749999|      28.250001

okay that's not quite how I remember it

Dragonrage

meek stv also goes by instant run off, so whoever has the least first choices gets eliminated, vs other methods which eliminate whoever has the most last choices

badp

8:14 PM

I don't think that's necessarily true

 R|Unionhawk      |Dragonrage     |Frank          |Gigazelle      |FoxMcCloud     |dly
  |---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------+---------------
  |Wrigglenite    |iVhagar        |The Mattbat999 |Exhausted      |Surplus        |Threshold
==================================================================================================
 1|      95.000000|      74.000000|     110.000000|      28.000000|      22.000000|      34.000000
  |     201.000000|      16.000000|       9.000000|       0.000000|       0.000000|     294.500001

these are the logs of the 1-winner run

it wasn't simply "who has most first choices"

oh whoops I misread your message

your statement gets then disproven by the other logs where the algorithm picks a winner and redistributes votes before eliminating anyone

In the 2011 elections where I won the algorithm actually immediately picks two winners...

so the first elimination happens on the basis of first, second and third choices

that said, this is a way to run an election that got me elected so obviously that makes me like it a bit more than alternatives maybe :P

Dragonrage

if the votes are transferred, i believe they then count as "first" votes for the person who it was transferred to

i believe coombs method uses the second way i mentioned. try running the votes using it

badp

@Dragonrage well, then we're using the same words to mean different things ;)

btw @Frank running vanity searches in rooms that don't exist is obviously strictly illegal :P

Ave

unrelated

today is the only day you can take fall for this starbait folks

badp

literally the only day ever

Dragonrage

@badp does coombs method change who your election elected?

badp

8:40 PM

idk

I suspect most election methods will produce roughly the same outcome in most cases

Unionhawk

Like I said, that method probably doesn't make sense for a pick 3

My bottom choice did not appear on my ballot

I should really figure out how to build an opavote type system tbh because like, we're going to need online voting and I'd rather not have to pay for it lol

Like $30 per election is a lot when you have 3 elections minimum

(it might be $20 idk)

But loomio is $99 per month so I might recommend opavote next time

Rather than a 1 month loomio

Since it has more clear bounce indications (the system failed to send out a handful of ballots in time)

plus we can pick from several methods instead of defaulting to "first choice is worth n votes, second is n-1, etc"

Nzall

Ave

y'all are wild

Unionhawk

Is there a case where this is expected?

Nzall

Fun fact: when someone wanted to ask the FCC about Ajit Pai's giant Reese's mug, they accused them of trying to file a FOIA request with false information, then charged them over 200 USD

Lazers 2.0

8:58 PM

-1

Q: How many bookcases do you need to get a fortune enchantment (in minecraft)?

I've been trying to get a fortune enchantment for a while and I made plenty of bookshelves and it hasn't been enough.

minecraft

0

Q: Download the PS4 game only once

We have two PS4's in the house and we basically download and play the same games. Is there a way that one can download the game and then have the game transferred via the local network to the other PS? Reason I'm asking is because our internet is not the fastest especially when it has to be downl...

playstation-tv

-3

Q: Nintendo DS game identification

I have faint memories of a DS game from a while ago. So main gameplay is you dueling another character with magic. A centre bubble shows your mana, you use the stylus to draw a rune to cast a spell. Spells travel round the mana bubble towards your opponent (your dude on the bottom, enemy on the t...

game-identification

Dragonrage

9:11 PM

@Lazers2.0 i cant even vote to delete :(

Wrigglenite

It's not too big of a deal for those, roomba will clean them up

Unionhawk

@Dragonrage yeah you can?

Oh you're out of votes

no I can't either

lol

9:15 PM

20k gets delete votes on closed -3 questions right away

And on -1 when 10ks do (like 2 days or whatever)

Or something like that

Ave

ah

I need to post more murder questions

Dragonrage

@Unionhawk yeah, ive been having to recommend deletion in the review queues instead of voting to delete

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Yeah, 'cause we're awesome

Oh, hey, I'm actually pretty close to getting site analytics access

Unionhawk

@Dragonrage votes refresh in like 3 hours probably

I don't think I've ever used all mine

Maybe like once but there's need to be a lot in the low quality queue and also I reviewed the 10k tools that day for the first time in a while

GnomeSlice

9:41 PM

MY FRIEND PEDRO Trailer (2019)

►

My Friend Pedro - Gameplay Trailer - Nintendo Switch

►

Looks... cool!

fredley

10:02 PM

Peak Cold War Steve?

mobile.twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1141795982444830720/…

Wipqozn

@Yuuki I'm too lazy to reply to your message on mobile, but yes, Defect is a lot of fun.

Ave

10:17 PM

writing CVs in markdown is surprisingly not as horrible as I expected it to be

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: I cant build new residential building - simscity buildit

After I destroy an old building, I can't build a new residential building, Parisian building, or London building. Any information for this issue?

simcity-buildit

GnomeSlice

Road Redemption is HARD!

Dragonrage

what the heck happened to SO?

GnomeSlice

@Dragonrage ?

Dragonrage

Top bar is gone if you aren’t logged in

dly

10:33 PM

there is one for me

fun fact: sky go app closes your movie when opening snipping tool for "movie capture software detected"

Ave

@dly lol

does it use widevine?

if not that's completely useless

dly

@Ave the browser app did (they shut that one down).. not sure what the windows 10 app uses

Ave

@dly it very likely does

dly

you could easily bypass the browser's restriction though

Ave

the browser app was likely l3 and app is likely l2/l1

if it is, then yeah, IG it makes sense

dly

10:45 PM

I'm pretty sure they still use it, yes

but I'm not 100% sure

browser app was easy.. just use google chrome and use its own cast functionality

and the win 10 app doesn't lock out the windows built-in streaming, so that works too

so its just stupid what they do shrugs

Memor-X

11:03 PM

yay, Ni No Kuni is being re-released which includes a PC Port

user15026

and a SWITCH PORT!!!!!!

Memor-X

@Ash yep, that too. though i have it on PS3 so getting it for another console isn't a must for me unless they add new content/improve the ally AI

honestly your allies are bloody useless and most of the time in boss battles i'm fighting alone

user15026

See, I never had a PS3 so its exciting to me :P

dly

I dont have a switch, so the PC port might become useful :P

Memor-X

Allies usefulness aside it's a great game and while Studio Ghibli only did the graphics you really get the feeling that it's a plot is something that Ghibli would have worked on too

Dragonrage

11:11 PM

@dly it doesnt have the hamburger menu to go to other sites from

dly

@Dragonrage oh that one.. always thought you need to be logged in to access that, but you're right

arqade still has it, so doesn't

Dragonrage

yeah, they replaced it with a useless bar that says products, customers, and use cases on it now

dly

milk the money cow.. just like the new ads stuff

but funny how I get job ads that aint even close to was I actually do :D

Private Pansy

I like how to remind you that you probably suck at crypto, the implementation of crypto primitives in browsers is called SubtleCrypto and is available only under crypto.subtle

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: What does the harpoon do? How to use it?

I've picked up the harpoon firearm a few times now, and I can't figure out what it's for. Shooting an enemy rider with it doesn't appear to do much but briefly stun them as with a melee attack, and with no discernible damage. Shooting the ground or an object tethers me to it with a wire, but th...

road-redemption

Dragonrage

11:18 PM

@dly just install ublock origin

ads begone

dly

@Dragonrage I have that, but the screenshot is from a different browser with no addons, because I was too lazy to log out and back in. I'm using Edge only for testing things, but still pretty interesting how they generate those ads

Memor-X

11:31 PM

EA's Kerry Hipkins: "We don't call them loot boxes... we call Them 'Surprise Mechanics'" *faceplam into a tree so hard that it breaks the sound barrier*

GnomeSlice

I need to try and get back into posting more on the site

questions and answers

My games are all too obscure to generate any traffic though

Even still

lol

user15026

@GnomeSlice that's my problem a lot of the time

user15026

I am like "I could ask but no one will know the answer"

GnomeSlice

3

Q: Is it possible to reach the center of Giant's Deep?

There is a planet in Outer Wilds that seems to be made almost entirely of water. The description for this planet is as follows (taken from the in-ship computer). None of our spacecraft have ever been able to penetrate beyond the outer atmosphere Sure enough, when I try to fly my way into...

outer-wilds-alpha

Should we update this to match the new game? It's mostly the same but I think there's an extra step and the graphics are all different...

It would be a pretty big change

Dragonrage

even with adblock, i still get job ads when i am on my profile e.e

this is why i normally dont browse SO while logged in

GnomeSlice

11:42 PM

because of job ads?

Memor-X

oh my god there's a video of the EA stupidity

she's also comparing 'Surprise Mechanics' to going into Target and buying surprise toys because everyone loves surprises

Dragonrage

what is buying a surprise toy?

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