This Is Fine

Memor-X

12:02 AM

@GodEmperorDune well atleast remaking the image is a smarter thing that buying Nike products then destroying them

Unionhawk

thenib.com/if-they-could-pay-us-less-they-would

Memor-X

@TimStone evidence shows that they were recently tapped 3 times

GodEmperorDune

12:35 AM

@Unionhawk wages for housework, hell yeah

decoupling work from survival, even bigger hell yeah

Memor-X

12:51 AM

@Memor-X actually i stand corrected

Country star shares photo of cut-up socks to protest Nike deal with Kaepernick http://hill.cm/EP8Yapy

Tweeted by thehill on September 4, 2018 at 11:58 PM

Memor-X

1:07 AM

Twitter warns that Trump is not exempt from being banned http://hill.cm/COT9vqj

Tweeted by thehill on September 5, 2018 at 12:31 AM

user15026

@Memor-X Oh, John Rich. I used to love you. Then I realized you're like every redneck terrible stereotype, and that just makes me sad

Tim Stone

1:22 AM

@Memor-X lol

Unionhawk

Theory: the president is still Online because of Jack Dorsey specifically

Tim Stone

Would be my guess 🤷

Unionhawk

to twittersafety: you can't ban me for this because it's merely another point of view

And also this isn't your website

Tim Stone

Capuano has been primaried by Ayanna Pressley

Memor-X

> Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey told Politico that his team considers “context” and “public interest” when evaluating tweets from Trump and others, echoing his past explanation for why the company has not punished the president.

Unionhawk

1:25 AM

"""his team""" lol

🤔

@TimStone hell yeah

Tim Stone

@TimStone Since she runs unopposed in November she will be the first PoC MA sends to the House

Unionhawk

Idk how she alligns specifically other than "left of lib" which is a low bar to clear technically speaking but

Still

Tim Stone

She's Abolish ICE so there you go

Unionhawk

GOOD ENOUGH

Tim Stone

Meanwhile you'll be shocked to learn who the NYT Editorial Board wants for NY Governor

Unionhawk

1:29 AM

No I would not

Memor-X

@TimStone an ice cube?

Unionhawk

Though that explains Nate Silver's good post earlier

About how it's weird that they try to call themselves neutral and also literally give out endorsements

Also Sean is an oracle apparently

Feeling pretty good about these two tweets.

Tweeted by SeanMcElwee on September 5, 2018 at 1:08 AM

Tim Stone

Damn you 2016 Sean

Unionhawk

May, 2018, actually

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk Yeah this is bad but on the other hand the electorate largely doesn't even care to begin with so I guess it's all just terrible

@Unionhawk I'm just saying he could have warned us, with his futurevision

@TimStone (Meanwhile and not surprisingly to me Brianna Wu will not unseat Lynch)

Okay I'm not 100% on this Ironstache email-as-a-Netflix-admail

> Madden NFL 19 shooting victim sues EA, claiming negligence

urghhh

Like I know you gotta because someone needs to pay for any follow-up treatments but some of the claims in there are gross :/

> ...claims that EA "knew or should have known that there had been a number of serious criminal incidents, including crimes of violence and murder at 'The Landing' and in the immediate neighborhood in the recent past prior to August 26, 2018

Like that doesn't have anything to do with this, first off, and pushing every event into some gated neighbourhood is super classist

Memor-X

2:08 AM

@TimStone so did EA set up the tournament?

Tim Stone

Yeah

At least via some level of indirection, not entirely clear how the tournament is managed

The US warns it citizens against traveling to Pakistan, citing safety concerns. But what happens when a Pakistani student, brought here on a US State Dept program, is killed here in a school shooting in Texas? @JesseAHardman reports on one family’s plight https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-08-31/her-cousin-was-killed-school-shooting-exchange-student-decided-stay-us

Tweeted by mayalau on September 5, 2018 at 2:04 AM

GodEmperorDune

3:19 AM

@TimStone oh goddammit

Memor-X

Mattis let Trump make war plans then told his staffers "We're not going to do any of that": report http://hill.cm/Xn3JLpM

Tweeted by thehill on September 5, 2018 at 2:52 AM

> “Let’s f---ing kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the f---ing lot of them,” Trump told Defense Secretary James Mattis, according to a soon-to-be-released book by journalist Bob Woodward.

if true, this is the guy who has nukes

though i like to imagine that Mattis has given Trump a big red button that says "LAUNCH NUKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!" which does nothing

Wipqozn

11:39 AM

@Ash Honestly I just assume this is true for a lot of country stars. I hate to be all prejudice and what not, but considering country music is essentially "isn't the rural south great" then...well, yeah

Unionhawk

Good thing the rural south is a big prejudiced monolith, :)

Wipqozn

12:02 PM

@Unionhawk I know it's not, but it's obviously bad enough that anyone who is able to just ignore all the bigotry that goes has gotta have some serious bigotry of their own or privilege of their own going on

Yuuki

2:03 PM

@Wipqozn Or you speak out like the Dixie Chicks and your entire audience/livelihood turns on you.

SaintWacko

2:19 PM

@Nzall Oh, the cross-room thing was very much a joke

I wasn't a big fan of TIF in the beginning. It's grown on me, but I still have to poke fun at the politics restriction every once in a while

@Memor-X I'm glad that someone has finally figured out how to handle him

Just treat him like a toddler

Humor his ideas, make him think they're important, but don't actually enact them

Memor-X

@SaintWacko think they were doing that already when they have to use lots of pictures and keep mentioning his name when explaining stuff

Nzall

@SaintWacko That's a proper way to handle him internally when he's not talking to exernals, but 1) it effectively means someone else runs the country; 2) it's no solution for when he says dumb stuff in public spaces or when in a one-on-one with a foreign dignitary; 3) Now that it's made public that this happens, he'll learn about it from Fox & Friends and might do something about it

Memor-X

@Nzall or he learns it from CNN, calls it fakes news while also telling Mattis that he's fired and replacing him with a guy who played 100 hours of Command and Conquer Rivals as a qualification for military leadership

Wipqozn

2:38 PM

@Yuuki Wow, just reading about this

> “I definitely have a bad taste in my mouth about country radio,” Maines told Us Weekly afterward. “We did get supporters, but as a whole, the country music industry did not support us. Award shows would laugh at our expense. It was fun to hate us.”

People are shitty

ToxicFrog

Yeah, I remember that when it went down. The Dixie Chicks are one of the bands I grew up with, too :/

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Yup, history shows deplatforming works. There's an initial surge and then people are lazy just as we've always known. previously serious but now joking Just imagine the numbers Fortnite could do on Google Play Store, lol.

@Memor-X Sure Twitter, whatever you say. You can quit Trump any time.

Tim Stone

> In an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller, President Trump points out that he alone is fighting to reform defense pact spending that costs American taxpayers

(emphasis mine, but of course)

> “In the history of Supreme Court nominations, there is no precedent for demanding all documents from a nominee’s career,” the Washington Examiner editorial board writes

I was led to believe this actually wasn't true?

I'm inclined to believe the "other candidates have turned over virtually everything" take because Democrats are bad at lying but obviously both sides have an interest in misrepresenting things here so I'm not positive

It's still beside the point, but

Unionhawk

2:54 PM

ultimately while this is a good show and I'm glad they're doing almost everything they can here,

Yuuki

@TimStone Maybe there should be a precedent?

Unionhawk

(for values of almost)

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Yeah, that's the thing, AFAIK it is common for that to be true?

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone lolwut

Unionhawk

defense pact spending

Yuuki

2:59 PM

I mean, even if it is true that there's no precedent for demanding all documents, perhaps there should be one because lol let's just appoint a justice without looking at their case history.

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune I mean in a sense he's probably not wrong in that no one else is telling our allies to go f themselves but

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk ahhhhhhhhhhh

i missed that key word

Unionhawk

Also if he were interested in reducing defense spending he would be one of like, three people

he isn't, but if he were he would be nearly alone

:)

Tim Stone

Love too allow allies to get annexed while also probably starting some new unnecessary war

Unionhawk

place your bets, iran or venezuela

Tim Stone

3:02 PM

Are you positive we're not going to invade Canada? Because I'm not

Unionhawk

winner declared as first of those two incoming military actions

Nzall

@Unionhawk What if he invades both at the same time?

puzzlepiece87

@Nzall Everyone ~~wins~~ loses.

GodEmperorDune

Trump suggests protesting should be illegal https://wapo.st/2wIMEP8

Tweeted by washingtonpost on September 5, 2018 at 2:07 AM

> “I don’t know why they don’t take care of a situation like that,” Trump said. “I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.”

the best logic

Nzall

@GodEmperorDune If they're protesting, they tend to not be on your side.

Also, wouldn't banning protests be unconstitutional?

GodEmperorDune

3:17 PM

@Nzall yes it would

SaintWacko

@Nzall Very. Whether that would stop him from trying...

Yuuki

I read a comment that Trump's staffers might be telling him that the protesters are actually supporting him. And that's why he doesn't know what side they're on.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki ugh, worst timeline

Yuuki

His staffers have been pretty brazenly lying to him to keep him from totally ruining the country in favor of just mostly ruining it.

GodEmperorDune

literal booo-urns

user15026

3:19 PM

@Wipqozn way to like dismiss an entire giant genre. That's not fair whatsoever, and it surprises me that you are one of the people that think that way.

user15026

Like yes, okay, there is a lot of that, but it's not entirely that, and there is also room for "the rural south is great" without lading all the shit and racism and such.

user15026

I know people like to shit on country, but come on.

puzzlepiece87

#NotAllCountryMusic?

user15026

....ffs never mind

puzzlepiece87

I agree that country music doesn't have to endorse or ignore racism or glorify the rural South by definition

But I disagree that that is not currently a predominant part of its culture.

user15026

3:23 PM

There is a hell of a lot more to the genre but I don't have time to yet again explain the entire history of a thing and the people and all of this. It just makes me really frustrated because it's this thing people just love to universally shit on.

puzzlepiece87

I'm glad that there are good country artists and that there's room for positive expression.

I disagree that, by current denizens of this room at least, country is taken to task in a way that others (white people, the GOP, rich people, general jerks) are not.

And I agree that in other communities country music is disproportionately maligned.

Yuuki

It becomes a vicious cycle because a big theme in a lot of (American) country music is "us vs. them" and how non-country music people don't understand the culture and that in turns feeds other people's perception of country being a monolithic culture and so on and so on.

user15026

(also the entire genre is not just American, but that's a whole other thing)

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 its more the assumption that the entire thing is garbage and just throwing the whole damn thing out that makes me kinda want to throw up

user15026

Mind you I am hella raw from like a week of really bad "defend this aspect of yourself" shit all over SE.

user15026

3:29 PM

I will cop to that. I have been crying a lot.

user15026

So this does push a button worse than it usually would.

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Good point - I'm just talking about country music culture for the past 10-15 years in the US, and not the past or future of the genre or its current culture in any other place.

@Ash It's a spoons thing, I think. People only have so many and they have more choices about what to spend them on than giving country music more chances.

@Ash I'm really sorry that that happened to you, and I apologize for contributing. I didn't mean to and I'm sorry. I apologize for hurting you during the job discussion and in the music discussion now as well.

@Ash I'm sure you have people way better than me to talk to, but I'm happy to be a good listener if you'd like.

@Ash Totally understandable.

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 which is fine but that doesn't then mean people can speak from a position of assumed authority.

user15026

3:44 PM

@puzzlepiece87 if you want, we can, although mostly at this point I am looking for something more like people working to make change, although more awareness of what is lurking is also good I suppose. :)

user15026

I just feel like country isn't perfect, it's far from perfect, but it is also not entirely racist chucklefucks like John Rich who live off of profiting off of every terrible southern stereotype.

user15026

(yes, that's his whole thing, every aspect of it is basically creating profit from the redneck propaganda machine)

puzzlepiece87

@Ash I am not a very big presence on SE (as I'm sure you can see from my profile), but I'm happy to contribute as directed. For example, if you have a meta post you'd like me to chime in on, I'm happy to do so.

Wipqozn

@Ash Yeah you're right it's really not fair of me, but it's really hard for me to divorce country music from all the shittiness of the rural south since it's a product of 1920s rural southern american. Especially since over the years this is far from the first incident of heard of where racism is really widespread in the country music scene. And to be clear I don't think this is true for the whole genre, but I honestly do feel it's very widespread.

user15026

@Wipqozn that's actually not the source of the genre in the true sense of it.

user15026

3:49 PM

But I do not have time for that entire history lesson.

user15026

Like yes, it's poor people music, I will grant you that, but l..

user15026

Never mind, I can't explain this well. I could find books and such but there's not really a point, because this is just one of those things that I can't teaspoon

Wipqozn

@Ash well it's not really your job to educate me

puzzlepiece87

@Ash It depends. The game isn't "keep giving the genre chances until you find an artist that isn't actively or passively perpetuating a troublesome culture". If someone made generalizations from just one artist about the entire genre, then that would be assumed authority, but if they gave several top artists a chance and found a bothersome pattern I would consider that to be legitimate rather than assumed authority.

Wipqozn

This conversation has made me think I may need to take some time to better educate myself from a wider variety of sources, because what I've read up until now over the years has lead me to believe that the scene has a lot of issues with racism.

user15026

3:51 PM

@puzzlepiece87 I am very well aware of that.

user15026

@Wipqozn trust me, I am not saying it doesn't, I'm just saying "this whole thing is not garbage, it's also not all American"

user15026

Which is a thing people also forget, there is a lot of country that isnt part of the American machine

user15026

The American machine is just the loudest and the most annoying and then the racists get the airplay because controversy sells

user15026

And lord knows country loves going "look I was right they hate us"

user15026

Which is a problem when it reflects garbage

user15026

3:54 PM

Basically, yes, Nashville built this empire of "we aren't like those fancy rich white northern folks, we believe in family and country and so o"

user15026

(which is funny when you think of the counterculture roots of the whole damn thing, honestly)

user15026

Modern Nashville driven American country has indeed realized that the whole racist redneck thing sells because, well gestures to the current state of America

Unionhawk

It's counter to big-city culture and such, anyway

Wipqozn

@Ash Okay, and to be clear I didn't mean to imply I thought it was all garbage or that people that listen to it are. That's my bad. I do think it's widespread, but I certainly don't think it's the whole genre or everyone in it is garbage.

user15026

@Unionhawk well mostly now yes, but it has its roots in more of what I have said (this is a thing I have studied to death for reasons)

Wipqozn

3:57 PM

Honestly I should have done a better job of checking my own prejudice, which I basically already said when I sent that message, so that's 100% on me. I'm just so frustrated with everything coming out right now in certain parts of the world that I just have a hard time remembering "It's not everyone".

user15026

If you do wanna read a thing that is kinda good at explaining some of it, this is a decent book: Check out this book on Goodreads: Rednecks, Queers, and Country Music goodreads.com/book/show/…

Wipqozn

So I'm sorry for what I said, and I'm especially sorry it caused you so much distress.

user15026

@Wipqozn honestly it just startled me after our discussions of "just because it's not like you doesn't mean it's evil"

puzzlepiece87

I do think it's fair to characterize a genre by what sells within it - that's not even a case of "TV news channels bias their talking points to suit their ownership in a way that doesn't accurately reflect general concerns", that is a case of "what fans of this genre are passionate enough about that they are eager to spend money on it"

user15026

@Wipqozn its alright, I managed to remember that this room 8s full of supportive humans so I can kinda relax the walls

Wipqozn

4:00 PM

@Ash Yeah I get that. I mean I definitely have my own prejudice I need to keep in check, but well honestly these past couple years have literally been "weee, all the people you thought were the worst are coming to the forefront" so I'm having a really hard time of it.

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 within the bounds of "Nashville based country" I isll agree

puzzlepiece87

And again, #NotAll and I'm talking about American country and now, but I do think generalizing is a fact/necessity of life.

Wipqozn

anyways, I'm totally fine with dropping this. I obviously don't understand the scene as well as I thought, so not much more I can say. Also, you know, not really interested in causing you a whole bunch of distress.

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Yup, I agree with you. And it's too bad that other country music subcultures that have more redeeming qualities are not more commercially dominant. Commercial value isn't the same as intrinsic value, but it drives a lot of discussion and future creation.

Unionhawk

oh my god

@jack is currently testifying before... whichever committee Burr chairs

and he wrote and read his opening statement as a god damn twitter thread

Thank you Chairman Burr, Vice Chairman Warner, and the committee, for the opportunity to speak on behalf of Twitter to the American people. I look forward to our conversation about the work we’re doing to help protect the integrity of US elections, and elections around the world.

Tweeted by jack on September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM

puzzlepiece87

4:05 PM

@Unionhawk Narrator: very few people included in that statement are doing anything at all to protect the integrity of US elections let alone elections around the world

Unionhawk

You know, in any given space there are people who want to help others, and also those who want to hurt people, and it's our job to empower all of those people

ToxicFrog

Sadly Meets Expectations

Unionhawk

I mean to be fair his definition of "people who want to help others and unify" is probably awesome

ToxicFrog

"""awesome"""

Unionhawk

Weird!! Daily Caller Editor Used Fake Name to Write for Richard Spencer's White Nationalist Site

:thinking:

Tim Stone

4:24 PM

More details on #EK203 illness incident: https://abc7ny.com/10-passengers-from-dubai-hospitalized-after-plane-lands-at-jfk/4152344/

Tweeted by W7VOA on September 5, 2018 at 3:25 PM in reply to W7VOA

(Emirates flight to JFK lands with a number of passengers reportedly feeling unwell)

Unionhawk

(for values of "a number", iirc, meaning more than one hundred, symptoms high fever)

(aka, the actual plot of The Strain)

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk I mean only like 18 people actually seem to have something wrong with them so far

Everyone else was just coughing, maybe like that House episode

Trump blames Don Jr for his endorsement of Foster Friess in Wyoming in his interview with @esaagar http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/04/trump-reveals-who-to-endorse/

Tweeted by Bencjacobs on September 5, 2018 at 3:39 PM

lol

Yuuki

@TimStone The Trump administration owns some pretty elevated buses, huh?

I mean, how else can they fit so many bodies under there?

Tim Stone

Q: Is the president above the law? Brett Kavanaugh: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Q: Can a sitting president be required to respond to a subpoena? Kavanaugh: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Q: Does the president have an absolute right to pardon himself? Kavanaugh: ooh that's a toughie, lemme think Kavanaugh: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tweeted by jenniferemorrow on September 5, 2018 at 4:29 PM

(an accurate summary of the hearing today thus far)

Unionhawk

to be clear, in the 90s he was of the position that the answer to all of those were very clearly "no, yes, no"

I wonder how circumstances are different to change his mind!

Tim Stone

4:32 PM

A real thinker

Graham asks Kavanaugh if he wants to respond to the Parkland father who was at the hearing. "I base my decisions on the law ... but I do so with an awareness of the facts." He says he understands the passion people feel about issues. He did not directly address the father.

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on September 5, 2018 at 3:49 PM in reply to chrisgeidner

lol imagine being such an asshole as to not even make up a thin excuse for why you didn't shake the dude's hand

Like even if you think he was just grandstanding, which tbh, possibly! it's really not hard to just pass it off

NEW: AG Sessions "has convened a meeting with a number of state attorneys general this month to discuss a growing concern that these companies may be hurting competition and intentionally stifling the free exchange of ideas on their platforms," DOJ spokesperson says.

Tweeted by evanmcmurry on September 5, 2018 at 4:32 PM

puzzlepiece87

Not answering is passing it off though

Tim Stone

lmao

puzzlepiece87

I'm probably weird for not giving these people as much credence as you

Yuuki

Look, unlike demanding pertinent judicial information and documents, completely ignoring a Congressional inquiry is precedent at Supreme Court confirmation hearings. And Kavanaugh is all about precedent.

puzzlepiece87

If not saying anything will have the same effect as saying bullshit, it's easier to just respond with nothing or about some other point you want to make.

@Yuuki Well plaaaaayyyed.

Tim Stone

4:36 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Yeah but Graham was throwing him a freebie to downplay any potential negative association from the event and he was like "Nah bro"

It's just a funny level of arrogance in acting like the tables can't possibly turn, even if it's unlikely

I mean then again the consequence of doing anything to upend the status quo is a #Resistance GoFundMe page so I guess either way 🤔

Unionhawk

6:45 PM

An absolutely transformative result for criminal justice reform in Boston. Rachel Rollins ran by saying: "We need to end mass incarceration and restore justice in our communities." She'll replace a DA who resisted reform. Let me quickly go over her platform. https://twitter.com/Antonio_Caban/status/1037145625035464704

Tweeted by Taniel on September 5, 2018 at 1:48 AM

Wipqozn

7:20 PM

@Unionhawk Awesome

Happy news best news

Trudeau considering an appeal or legislation to end Trans Mountain impasse
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trans-mountain-appeal-1.4811549
Shared via the CBC News Android App

user15026

7:33 PM

Trump suggesting protesting should be illegal

user15026

@Ash I mean like...it's more of his usual blather and is kinda based on some weird misunderstandings of protest, but dude, no

Unionhawk

← 2 messages moved from The Bridge

Wipqozn

7:48 PM

@Ash And again Trump proves he wants to turn America into a dictatorship

montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/…

Canadian employers need workers but balk at hiring immigrants: survey

CTV News: Toronto students swelter in hundreds of schools without AC.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-students-swelter-in-hundreds-of-schools-without-ac-1.4081007

Clinton Street Junior Public School, like many of the board’s schools, does not have full air conditioning. Parent Kelly Johnson says her son came home from school Tuesday – when temperatures topped out at 25 C – with a “bright red” face and hair stuck to his head by sweat.

GodEmperorDune

9:11 PM

did we cover the op ed by the deep state person?

user15026

@Wipqozn oh hey, what do you wanna bet them not being able to get A/C is related to tthe whole "we took away your money to fix stuff"

GodEmperorDune

@Ash maybe they can keep the rooms cold with those dollar beers

Mad Scientist

I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration

GodEmperorDune

@MadScientist there it is

Wipqozn

@Ash Nah

Mad Scientist

9:14 PM

@GodEmperorDune no, I don't think so

GodEmperorDune

the contents of the letter itself is not really anything new, imo

Mad Scientist

It's clearly someone I'd vehemently disagree with, but the simple fact that this is published at all is insane

Tim Stone

According to prosecutors, Hunter personally spent campaign donation money on at least five other people with whom he had “personal relationships” http://bit.ly/2CmrjRp

Tweeted by vicenews on September 5, 2018 at 9:05 PM

GodEmperorDune

there have been many stories about trump doing erratic and wild things and staffers basically ignoring the stuff they see as dangerous

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune Genius!

Tim Stone

9:15 PM

It seems that "my wife did it" defense might not work out so well

GodEmperorDune

@MadScientist yep

Wipqozn

Honestly the first thing I thought of was that if Doug Ford spent more time actually caring about helping children rather then trying to hurt them this wouldn't be a problem

Mad Scientist

And this will really drive Tump up the wall, I'm sure

@TimStone I assume that this is a euphemism for 5 affairs?

GodEmperorDune

@MadScientist oh yep, gonna be angry tweets for sure

@MadScientist they are hinting at it, yeah

Tim Stone

@MadScientist It's not spelled out but there were rumours to that effect before so it seems likely

Rep shuts down conspiracy theorist with an auction call at social media hearing https://thebea.st/2M22eLd

Tweeted by thedailybeast on September 5, 2018 at 9:05 PM

lmfao (Laura Loomer)

Unionhawk

9:24 PM

@TimStone including a hotel stay in DC (where he lives)

Mad Scientist

My guess is that the op ed is from Kelly. Seems to be the right combination of politics I despise and conflict with Trump.

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone did she also hype up "infowars dot com", as alex jones did when getting heckled onto his flight?

@TimStone omg the video of this

Tim Stone

9:42 PM

@GodEmperorDune lol imagine basically losing to Rubio

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone rubio buys a lot of reddening pills tho

Tim Stone

hue

GodEmperorDune

#ff0000

Unionhawk

10:19 PM

the internet is fuckin amazing, man

Tweeted by KrangTNelson on September 5, 2018 at 7:26 PM

(since it's a 2 story airplane, he's not sick)

Mad Scientist

TREASON?

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on September 5, 2018 at 10:15 PM

Tim Stone

lmao

#NEW: w/fresh details from Corsi’s lawyer about trying to have his client meet with special counsel investigators tomorrow: Two Roger Stone associates to appear before Mueller grand jury Friday - @ABC News - ⁦@ABCInvestigates⁩ http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roger-stone-associates-mueller-grand-jury-friday/story?id=57624887

Tweeted by ajdukakis on September 5, 2018 at 10:15 PM

Unionhawk

also michael avenatti is going to be our next president

I'm calling the 2020 race now

puzzlepiece87

@MadScientist What is this a response to?

Mad Scientist

The Failing New York Times! https://t.co/SHsXvYKpBf

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on September 5, 2018 at 9:45 PM

not a response, but this was the previous tweet

So it's likely referring to the NY Times op ed

puzzlepiece87

10:22 PM

@MadScientist Ah, thanks

Tim Stone

10:36 PM

Dorsey and his weird beard-shirt combo, Alex Jones, a congressional staffer wearing Google Glass, and a journalist wearing an 1980s Casio watch. This has to be the most hilariously dystopian picture of the year.

Tweeted by lorenzofb on September 5, 2018 at 8:49 PM

"My view counts, Jack, what about my views!"

Lindsey Graham says people who think there’s something wrong w/Donald Trump “don’t know what they’re talking about”

Tweeted by JohnJHarwood on September 5, 2018 at 10:25 PM

🤔

Ah yeah this is how everyone behaves, totally unhinged and free from any awareness of consequence, literally all the time

Responding to NYT op-ed from disloyal staffer, WH says it's time to put aside ego and remember how Trump crushed Clinton in the electoral college and how he has been a fabulously successful president.

Tweeted by OrinKerr on September 5, 2018 at 10:41 PM

lol, fantastic

Memor-X

@TimStone it was worth pluging up my headphones to hear that

Unionhawk

@TimStone god what little I've seen of that article absolutely sucks

I hate this

Buddy I'm sorry people are mean to you now

Tim Stone

Senator Corker on the wild NYT Op-Ed: "This is what all of us have understood to be the situation from day one... I understand this is the case and that’s why I think all of us encourage the good people around the President to stay. I thank General Mattis whenever I see him..."

Tweeted by alanhe on September 5, 2018 at 10:33 PM

I mean but there's literally a remedy so idk maybe just do that

A Fox News correspondent is a leading candidate to head the US State Department agency tasked with combating propaganda and disinformation from foreign adversaries, CNN has learned https://cnn.it/2Q61Yhz

Tweeted by cnni on September 5, 2018 at 10:32 PM

On the one hand, they picked someone with experience for once

murgatroid99

10:52 PM

It's totally different, because Fox News distributes propaganda and disinformation from a domestic adversary

Tim Stone

(tbf she's an anchor for Shep so on a scale of Fox to Pure Hannity)

@murgatroid99 Fair

murgatroid99

It's actually just following the administration's record of trying to stifle foreign competition

GodEmperorDune

Nestle says slavery reporting requirements could cost customers https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nestle-says-slavery-reporting-requirements-could-cost-customers-20180816-p4zy5l.html

Tweeted by MikeOmerMan on September 5, 2018 at 8:35 AM

Uhhhhhhh wat

murgatroid99

In other words: "Paying slightly more for candy is literally worse than slavery"

GodEmperorDune

i mean it's most likely true that figuring out if your supply chain has slaves in it will cost more than zero

but opposing a bill like this based on the fiscal costs seems like a dumb move to take

Unionhawk

11:01 PM

I'm going to go with a solid "probably" for Nestle

Or at best, "no not technically since etc"

it's actively against nestle's interests for them to take steps against it, anyway

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Hm, surprised there's not more sourcing on this given that the article is from last month

Unionhawk

Oh we can apparently upgrade "probably" to "allegedly" above there

lmao

Further analysis of Google has upgraded it to "yes in the past 7 or so months"

Their current line on their #3 result is "we can't guarantee that there isn't any in our supply chain look"

Not even operating on dapl level SEO

Whose number 1 result is like "isthedakotaaccesspipelinesafe.com" with just "yes" as the full content

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk everyone stealing @TimStone's brilliance

Tim Stone

I'm irked because I can't find the submission the article is talking about

They submitted something (Submission 65) about this in 2017 but it doesn't contain the quotes

GodEmperorDune

11:17 PM

@TimStone is it possible they pulled it after some aussie controversy?

Tim Stone

I don't think so, it's either just not available in printed form due to delay and/or the lack of additional coverage is because it's more mundane in context

The original submission is basically the standard "There are problems, we agree we should look at them, but also governments are better equipped to bring change than just us operating as a company"

GodEmperorDune

wait so they want govt inspectors to run this instead of internal company inspectors?

Tim Stone

Which like, it's freaking Nestle, so it's not like they're benevolent or anything, but that's probably also not wrong

@GodEmperorDune The issue is that Nestle doesn't own its suppliers, so while they can make demands without having oversight power it's hard for them to confirm or improve a lot of things beyond their realm of control

Obviously that's not entirely true given market forces, but it's not wrong either

So they're saying you need to make international agreements that help stop these conditions from forming because we don't have that capacity, basically

GodEmperorDune

that's fair, but it is entirely within nestle's control to go "we're not renewing the contract unless you comply with this thing"

Tim Stone

What they're not going to do is stop making money, of course, so

GodEmperorDune

11:25 PM

lol

Tim Stone

Right, that's the hard wall of capitalism, lol

Unionhawk

Yeah I 100% don't buy "this is out of our control idk"

Because that's straight up not true friend

Tim Stone

They don't say it's out of their control but I think they're not wrong them acting alone, by reporting, isn't that helpful. They could certainly pull more weight than they're letting on, though

GodEmperorDune

unless they are trying to imply that all the suppliers of an ingredient have child labor so they simply can't switch suppliers

i feel like this is the blood diamond arguments all over again

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune This is probably true to be fair

All of theirs anyway

GodEmperorDune

11:27 PM

i remember walmart doing similar shenanigans with their suppliers like 20 years ago, it's sad we haven't made progress

Unionhawk

Global capitalism is bad yo

Tim Stone

The other general concern mentioned in the initial report is that the governments won't come to an agreement with each other on what the baseline is but want individual reports from the company, which seems to be what they might have been complaining about in the article

Unionhawk

Slavery is just outsourced

Tim Stone

Like doing the same thing 50 different ways instead of just doing 1 way that everyone accepts, there's no added benefit

Unionhawk

In like every industry because you know, gotta make money by any means necessary

just gotta hide behind enough layers of "technically" and "we don't control the whole supply chain"

technically speaking, motherboard manufacturing just has working conditions so bad they have to take defensive measures against worker suicides, that isn't the same thing

we're good

👍

:)

Tim Stone

11:32 PM

For the love of money - O' jays Full Version

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GodEmperorDune

hot damn, there's an oral history of the anonymous op ed already

Tim Stone

Ah he's having a second go

Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on September 5, 2018 at 11:40 PM

GodEmperorDune

11:47 PM

@TimStone twitter claims it was written by qanon

Tim Stone

lol

Meanwhile... Republicans have already given up on border wall funding — at least for this spending fight. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b905330e4b0511db3deb758?vkg

Tweeted by MEPFuller on September 5, 2018 at 11:46 PM

GodEmperorDune

and/or trump himself to distract from mueller

ecks dee chess and all

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