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tzenes

3:52 AM

for what it is worth:

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A: Voting on the future of list of X questions

Edit: If you disagree please post a comment to promote discussion. I'd like to take this opportunity to discuss the subject of [game-rec] questions. I realize there are a number of topics on this issue with diverse responses (one even linked by Ivo here) and that I've responded in some, but I b...

Grace Note

4:52 AM

I appear to have been serial upvoted.

tzenes

5:18 AM

haha, perhaps you deserve it?

Yeah, a bunch of +1 on every question, that's definitely someone targeting you

Grace Note

It's all within a few minutes, too

tzenes

13 on answers and 2 on your questions

its too bad we can't see who voted on what

Grace Note

Hrm...

Arda Xi

6:16 PM

I sometimes wonder (fear) if questions are really meant seriously

alexanderpas

I fixed the spelling and grammar a bit on one of those questions, but yeah... sigh...

Arda Xi

I mean, body language? it's a game

they can't see you

the frightening thing is that he says he's 37

that question might yet become CW just because of the amount of edits

FallenAngelEyes

...Body language? O_o

alexanderpas

time to enlighten him on the existence of text (team) chat

tzenes

I think they're out of frusteration

its a very frusterating game

Arda Xi

6:20 PM

really?

I've never found it frustrating tbh

especially with killcams, I always know what I did wrong

tzenes

MW2 online?

huh

Arda Xi

PC version then, but yeah

tzenes

I can never see who's shooting at me ever

oh, I play 360

maybe that's the difference

Arda Xi

well, you still always see the killcam right?

tzenes

on most game modes

but my problem is always, well I never saw him, so I stood 0 chance

Arda Xi

6:21 PM

I'd say we should close the alternative communique question, there's no answer

gotta play tactically

alexanderpas

hmm... this could be funny... I bet he's playing the 360 version.

Arda Xi

make sure nobody can get in your back etc

FallenAngelEyes

Maybe there's emotes?

Arda Xi

I was thinking that, but he was asking about 'body language'

just so nobody gets confused

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Q: Are there any alternate communication methods in Modern Warfare 2?

How do you communicate with your teammate without a microphone? Is there a kind of body language that players use?

FallenAngelEyes

I had the impression that maybe English wasn't the first language there

Arda Xi

6:23 PM

they're from quebec

which is French Canada, so that makes sense

alexanderpas

Export French...

Kevin Y

@ArdaXi @alexanderpas We had some edit collisions on that question. :)

alexanderpas

lol

I was first ;)

Arda Xi

erm, I only edited alex's edit of your edit I think

Kevin Y

I don't play MW2 . . . is there any "body language" or anything in the game?

Arda Xi

6:25 PM

no, that's what we're confused about

there's voice chat and (on the PC) text chat

alexanderpas

I don't play that game either... so...

Arda Xi

I've played about 100 hours of it according to steam..

FallenAngelEyes

me neither

Arda Xi

although I have always wondered, since I've seen teammates make a 'get going' gesture at me

Kevin Y

I think that's what he's wondering - if there's some gestures that high level players use to signal each other.

Arda Xi

6:28 PM

I don't think so, the option isn't in the game and I'm almost at the highest level

I think it's just like an idle animation

alexanderpas

BTW: nice teamwork there, getting an "wtf" type question up to "acceptable" range.

Arda Xi

I keep finding more things to fix

alexanderpas

off-topic? (do we want these type of questions)

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Q: How To Make Custom Map for Counter-Strike 1.6?

How can I make a custom map for Counter-Strike? What tools / software do I need? If possible, could you include a tutorial?

maps counter-strike

tzenes

Its game-dev

offtopic

Arda Xi

definitely off-topic

alexanderpas

6:38 PM

voted!

just confirming ;)

(and notifying the close police ;) )

Kevin Y

Voted.

Arda Xi

only one other person has to edit the communication question to make it CW

someone else than kevin, me or alex

alexanderpas

will happen if needed...

(yay for edit function in chat)

Arda Xi

now let me edit other people's posts :D

I still don't see the point of CW. In my opinion, if a question should be marked CW it should not be asked on the site.

alexanderpas

I can see the power of CW.

Arda Xi

6:43 PM

But when is it needed?

For poll (list of X) questions (we all know our opinion on those)

or for joke questions (should go on meta if anywhere)

alexanderpas

To build an index of related questions.

Arda Xi

you should never have to do that

The SO engine does that automatically anyway

alexanderpas

CW questions, are questionable, however CW answer can be gold sometimes!

Arda Xi

why?

the only true benefit is that the asker/answerers get less rep

which isn't good

rep is a motivator for answerers

FallenAngelEyes

eh, I just like answering stuff, I don't care about rep that much

Arda Xi

6:48 PM

still, it's a negative incentive

quite some people do care about rep

We should be able to migrate questions to gamedev..

Kevin Y

I agree.

alexanderpas

we will be able to, when gamedev and gaming are out of beta

Arda Xi

really?

alexanderpas

(at least, that is what i understood from @Jeff)

tzenes

I hate CW sometimes

people tend to use it as an excuse for bad questions

Arda Xi

6:51 PM

exactly

tzenes

"might be subjective, so making this cw"

Arda Xi

imo if it should be CW, don't ask it

alexanderpas

and we can't rep-punish them that way.

Arda Xi

exactly

I usually only downvote when I'm downvoted so my rep is a nice round number

alexanderpas

lol

Arda Xi

6:52 PM

is that bad?

FallenAngelEyes

lol

Arda Xi

I have precisely 3000 now, I like it

tzenes

I don't care about my rep

I care about my answers

Arda Xi

-nevermind-

tzenes

I want my answers to have high upvotes

my overall score is meaningless

Arda Xi

6:55 PM

there's no real difference though

since rep is just the sum of your upvotes

tzenes

well I think my score is useful to other people

alexanderpas

there is a difference

tzenes

by comparison I only know I"m doing a good job if my answers have high upvotes

its easy to have tons of answers with low votes

alexanderpas

lots of low upvoted answes = high rep

tzenes

cough McKay cough

Arda Xi

6:56 PM

hear hear

then again

I might be guilty of that myself

Arda Xi, The Netherlands

5.7k 10 25

dwarf-fortress steam pc spoiler source-engine team-fortress-2 terminology

alexanderpas

a couple of highly upvoted answers = rep-cap

tzenes

The rep-cap doesn't bother me, as I don't care about my score

now if there was an upvote cap I'd be pissed

Arda Xi

the things I most care about is the ability to edit posts etc

since that's helpful to the site

usually

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, editing stuff is very handy

alexanderpas

time to downvote 10 bad Q/A @Arda ;)

Arda Xi

6:58 PM

heh

:61621 chat abuse for the win

FallenAngelEyes

ook een nederlander!

Arda Xi

inderdaad :D

alex ook

alexanderpas

alexanderpas, Netherlands

3.9k 3 26

dwarf-fortress wii fallout-3 pc spoiler old-games mario

only 294 rep left for now.

maarja... nu nog een goede vraag om te beantwoorden.

Arda Xi

(mag ik ons eraan herinneren dat we niet de enigen zijn hier? :))

sorry 'bout that @tzenes

Kevin Y

Wow, only 3 Canadians on the 1st page of users, huh.

(Brandon, Mana, and I)

Was expecting more . . .

alexanderpas

7:02 PM

I wonder how much dutchies?

Arda Xi

I was expecting less dutchies

Ivo is dutch too

well, we've already beaten the canadians (no offence)

Kevin Y

Well you outnumbered us.

:P

Arda Xi

when we outnumber the USA our mission shall be complete

FallenAngelEyes

my boyfriend is Dutch-Canadian

he'd count for both! but he's not on the site

alexanderpas

The dutch are always on the frontier, trade (VOC), water management, etc. etc. etc.

Arda Xi

7:04 PM

plus we existed long before the USA was even known

alexanderpas

(new amsterdam)

Arda Xi

we were this close to dutch being the internet language

alexanderpas

nice deduction there!

Arda Xi

then again, I would've missed being bilingual I guess

FallenAngelEyes

dat zou heel vreemd zijn

Arda Xi

7:06 PM

now I get to wince at people around me speaking english

Ivo Flipse

L2Speak English :P

alexanderpas

we would be the ignorant dutchies, who only know their own language

Ivo Flipse

now I'm going back to watch stupid women shows and drinking Heineken

cheers!

Arda Xi

women shows?

alexanderpas

which channel?

FallenAngelEyes

7:07 PM

I'm American, but I moved to the NL 3.5 years ago

alexanderpas

List of video games developed in the Netherlands

This is a list of released and upcoming video games that are developed in the Netherlands. The list is sorted by game title, platform, year of release and their developer. This list does not include serious games. {| class="sortable wikitable" border="1" |- !Title !Platform !Year !Developer |- | In den Beginne | Commodore 64 | 1984 | |- | Steen der Wijzen | Commodore 64 | 1984 | |- | Tijdreiziger | Commodore 64 | 1984 | |- | Space Mates | Commodore 64 | 1984 | |- | De Sekte | Commodore 64 | 1985 | |- | Eindeloos | Commodore 64 | 1985 | |- | Dr.J | Commodore 64 | 1985 | |- | Hollan...

Arda Xi

[status-bug-discovered]

FallenAngelEyes

I flipped my shit when I found out Triumph Studios (who did Overlord) are right here in Delft

Arda Xi

I don't know any of those games

Kevin Y

Toki Tori and Jazz Jackrabbit, huh. Thank you. :)

Arda Xi

7:11 PM

funny, where other people are sad over being too old, for me it's the exact opposite

sigh

tzenes

who pinged me?

alexanderpas

Toki Tori is fun, it's a puzzler.

Kevin Y

I'm loving how Wikipedia has a page for List of video games developed in the Netherlands and Hong Kong.

Arda Xi

I did, thought you were still there

only the dutch can make a game about 'indoor racing'

tzenes

ah

if it makes anyone feel better I live in canada

Kevin Y

7:13 PM

Another Canadian!

alexanderpas

Blame Canada!

Arda Xi

we're starting to get outnumbered people

FallenAngelEyes

oh wow Fairytale Fights was developed here?

alexanderpas

(okay...I agree... not funny)

Arda Xi

oh great, now there's dutch in the starred feed

FallenAngelEyes

7:14 PM

lmao

alexanderpas

quick, remove the stars!

we should clean the starred feed a bit...

tzenes

I don't know if you guys have had a chance to review this, but:

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A: Voting on the future of list of X questions

Edit: If you disagree please post a comment to promote discussion. I'd like to take this opportunity to discuss the subject of [game-rec] questions. I realize there are a number of topics on this issue with diverse responses (one even linked by Ivo here) and that I've responded in some, but I b...

Arda Xi

excuse me, but holy shit

that's the longest answer I've ever seen on SE

alexanderpas

reviewed and voted already.

tzenes

I write wrong answers

because I want to cover everything

Arda Xi

7:21 PM

tl;dr?

I'm about halfway through, I'm gonna need more coffee

alexanderpas

lol, black, sugar, milk, both?

Arda Xi

black please :)

tzenes, you're making me want to create that website

alexanderpas

HTTP ERROR 418 "I'm a teapot"

Arda Xi

I wonder if there's an implementation of that somewhere

I can just imagine Google using HTCP in their offices.

alexanderpas

> The editor Emacs actually includes a fully functional implementation of it, and a number of bug reports exist complaining about Mozilla's lack of support for the protocol.

Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol

The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP for short) is a protocol for controlling, monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots. HTCPCP is specified in the jocular RFC 2324, published on 1 April 1998. Although the RFC describing the protocol is an April Fools' Day joke and not to be taken seriously, it specifies the protocol itself accurately enough for it to be a real, non-fictional protocol. The editor Emacs actually includes a fully functional implementation of it, and a number of bug reports exist complaining about Mozilla's lack of support for the protocol. Ten years after the pu...

with nice picture!

Arda Xi

7:28 PM

that's a really irrelevant picture

where are the coffeepots supporting it though?

we do kinda need an eXtensible Tea Language too

alexanderpas

write it! ;)

btw: must close tabsplosion.

needs a single close vote to be closed:

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Q: How To Make Custom Map for Counter-Strike 1.6?

How can I make a custom map for Counter-Strike? What tools / software do I need? If possible, could you include a tutorial?

maps counter-strike

Arda Xi

reading questions on MSO makes me think I'm really really un-unique

:(

FallenAngelEyes

In what regard?

Arda Xi

341

Q: What real life bad habits has programming given you?

Programming has given me a lot of bad habits and it continues to give me more everyday. But I have also gotten some bad habits from the mindset that I have put myself in. There simply are some things that are deeply rooted in my nature, though some of them I wish I could get rid of. A few: Loo...

discussion developer life

that for example

alexanderpas

no, that is just an implementation of power by numbers.

Arda Xi

7:42 PM

wha

alexanderpas

If A has X but not Y and B has Y but not X and you have both, you are still unique, even if both X and Y are posted by A and B in that thread.

Arda Xi

I think excessive literalism is in there somewhere ;-)

FallenAngelEyes

lol

alexanderpas

not to mention controller buttons.

A X Y B Y X X Y A B

not funny?

I invoke ↑↑↓↓←→←→ⒷⒶ

Arda Xi

now that I understand

but never got to apply it

again, I hate my age regarding gaming

FallenAngelEyes

7:49 PM

an episode of Helling Ultimate referenced the Konami code, I laughed so hard

alexanderpas

hmm... I love the virtual console! allows me to play game made before i was born!

Kevin Y

The Konami Code works on Facebook.

Arda Xi

yeah, but my age doesn't allow me to appreciate it well enough

alexanderpas

http://↑↑↓↓←→←→ⒷⒶ.com

Arda Xi

it doesn't work

also, I am so registering xn--ba-rzuadaibfa.com

alexanderpas

7:53 PM

make it a redirect to the gaming stackexchange!

an answer o_0

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A: Where can I find serious teammates in Modern Warfare 2?

Have a go at pro forums or people who host private matches on Steam, I'm assuming you are playing on PC. This is a semi decent group. Good luck finding others.

Arda Xi

I think the last sentence is a little unnecessary

alexanderpas

still funny...

Arda Xi

It's a really condescending answer in total

false too, there's plenty of clans etc

FallenAngelEyes

Seems like a weird question to post on a Q&A site to me, tbh

If you don't know how to search for a clan on your own, I'm not sure how much hope there is for you :P

Arda Xi

wait a minute.. while we were all on an editing spree

has anyone noticed this is another List of X question?

alexanderpas

7:59 PM

technically, you're right... s/where/how/ ... fixed.

FallenAngelEyes

I don't really think it's really that appropriate. How can we even give a best answer to that? "Practice with friends," "make friends if you don't have any," "try clan x." At best it's a list question that's mostly useless to others, at worst, it ends up a mess of clan promotion.

Arda Xi

exactly, it's subjective/argumentative

FallenAngelEyes

If it was something like "What are better methods of communication" or "What are some good tips so I can practice team play" or something, that'd be answerable, but as is...

Arda Xi

close it?

FallenAngelEyes

I voted

Kevin Y

8:02 PM

This chat makes it so much easier to discuss questions.

Arda Xi

one vote left gogogo

alexanderpas

already voted.

FallenAngelEyes

Who's gonna leave a comment?

Kevin Y

Same.

alexanderpas

btw: didn't he google.com/search?q=modern+warfare+2+clan

Arda Xi

8:03 PM

you know, I really wonder what non-computer minded people do with their free time

@alexanderpas not a requirement on SE sites

alexanderpas

wow... nice unwrapping there with the url! +1 for @Jeff

Arda Xi

wha?

I don't see any unwrapping

alexanderpas

that was a tinyurl -> lmgtfy, which got unwrapped to google.

FallenAngelEyes

I only see ... after google.com

oh huh

Arda Xi

oh

FallenAngelEyes

8:05 PM

neat

Kevin Y

Ahh.

Arda Xi

twitter does that too

I had a search query for a website set up, so a bit.ly url showed up, I was wondering what had triggered the search

then I visited it and it linked to that site

FallenAngelEyes

added comment to the closed question

Arda Xi

(nearly closed)

Kevin Y

Heh, was about to say that ^^

Arda Xi

8:09 PM

removed the condescending part from the answer before it's closed

FallenAngelEyes

potentially closed!

Arda Xi

ugh

McKay just displayed ignorance again

he changed playlist to "play type"

they're actually called playlists in-game

alexanderpas

ping @tzenes

Arda Xi

I really want to talk to McKay off-site

Kevin Y

My inner formatting snob made me edit the answer.

Arda Xi

8:11 PM

I can't comment on questions he edits because they're not about the question

FallenAngelEyes

Incidentally, how come you changed "teammates"? :o That's acceptable Englsh.

tzenes

I'm here

what do you need?

Kevin Y

Oh mighty tzenes, we need one more close vote.

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Q: Where can I find serious teammates in Modern Warfare 2?

I began to play to Modern Warfare 2 three weeks ago. I'm better when I play in Free For All. When I play any other playlist, I'm very bad. I guess I need to improve my team play, but it seems that everyone is playing for himself without team play. I tried to follow a high level player to cover...

multiplayer modern-warfare-2

alexanderpas

1

Q: Where can I find serious teammates in Modern Warfare 2?

I began to play to Modern Warfare 2 three weeks ago. I'm better when I play in Free For All. When I play any other playlist, I'm very bad. I guess I need to improve my team play, but it seems that everyone is playing for himself without team play. I tried to follow a high level player to cover...

multiplayer modern-warfare-2

FallenAngelEyes

lol

Arda Xi

8:12 PM

really? I thought English standards were to separate.. what's the word

"samentrekking"

tzenes

closed

now we just wait for the complain question on meta

Kevin Y

Nah, teammates is correct. I've never actually seen team-mates used until now.

Arda Xi

my bad

Kevin Y

No problem. :)

Arda Xi

fixed

FallenAngelEyes

8:13 PM

Same. And often, yes, but there's no direct rule I don't think...

alexanderpas

google: team-mates - Did you mean: teammates

FallenAngelEyes

We certainly don't mush together nouns as often as the Dutch language does though, haha

Arda Xi

D: double negative

tzenes

stupid people down voting without posting comments

FallenAngelEyes

lol

Arda Xi

8:14 PM

yeah, that's what tripped me up, in dutch it never has a space, ever

downvoting what?

alexanderpas

hottentottententententoonstellingsterrein

FallenAngelEyes

haha yeah

Arda Xi

even typing it is difficult ;-)

alexanderpas

yup

FallenAngelEyes

I don't think I can spell that one off the top of my head yet :P

alexanderpas

8:16 PM

hot·ten·tot·ten·ten·ten·ten·toon·stel·lings·ter·rein

dutch is too weird sometimes.

FallenAngelEyes

whenever I think about the word, my brain hits the "ten"s and then wants to just keep adding more

it is indeed

I'm currently studying for the Staatsexamen II

taking it at the end of Sept

Arda Xi

this still needs one more vote

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Q: How To Make Custom Map for Counter-Strike 1.6?

How can I make a custom map for Counter-Strike? What tools / software do I need? If possible, could you include a tutorial?

maps counter-strike

Kevin Y

Well, I'm going to go for a while. Bye everyone.

FallenAngelEyes

later

alexanderpas

already voted

FallenAngelEyes

8:19 PM

likewise

Arda Xi

I know, again :P

I'm talking to the people that havent

alexanderpas

did @tzenes vote on that one?

FallenAngelEyes

Gonna go play some more of this week's L4D2 mutation, later all

Arda Xi

what is it btw?

FallenAngelEyes

Unlimited M60 ammo :D

alexanderpas

8:23 PM

Hello @BryanM, you might want to register on gaming.stackexchange.com if you've got a question in need of a definitive answer on the topic of gaming

Arda Xi

interesting

FallenAngelEyes

Makes expert runs easier

working on trying to get some more done for the achievement

Arda Xi

might try too

alexanderpas

unlimited ammo is always interesting.

Arda Xi

I have almost every achievement unlocked I think.. well I did until I lost them

FallenAngelEyes

8:24 PM

the clip is unlmited too, so no reload time

it's great fun

completely skewing my stats now but oh well, haha

alexanderpas

just keep that button pressed...

Arda Xi

I'll just bind a key to shoot

FallenAngelEyes

easy way to get Til It Goes Click if you don't have it yet

alexanderpas

rubber band on your fire key.

Arda Xi

how the hell do you put a rubber band on a key?

FallenAngelEyes

8:26 PM

also The Passing on Expert sucks

If you're on console, you could

Arda Xi

ah right, I'm not

alexanderpas

By binding the right key, on the corner of your keyboard

FallenAngelEyes

Me neither

alexanderpas

alternative, anything heavy work too. (and no, a spy disguised as heavy does not work.)

Arda Xi

pff, the last time I played TF2 is a long time ago

FallenAngelEyes

8:30 PM

lol

Arda Xi

I stopped playing when they turned it into an RPG

alexanderpas

it's a HCG

FallenAngelEyes

hats hats hats

tzenes

I was pinged?

Arda Xi

but also the weapons

FallenAngelEyes

8:30 PM

I haven't done any of the crafting stuff

Arda Xi

if you don't play for long enough you're at a disadvantage

tzenes, did you vote to close this one?

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Q: How To Make Custom Map for Counter-Strike 1.6?

How can I make a custom map for Counter-Strike? What tools / software do I need? If possible, could you include a tutorial?

maps counter-strike

tzenes

yeah

when it came up

Arda Xi

that was what the ping was about I think

tzenes

too bad we can't move to game-dev already

Arda Xi

anyway, I've played TF2 since the beta came out

and in the 9 years prior I played TFC (okay, not really all of the 9 years)

alexanderpas

8:32 PM

Valve time?

Arda Xi

no

real time

TF2 took 9 years of development

alexanderpas

actually, it took 22 years teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477

FallenAngelEyes

anywho, zombie slaughter time, later all o/

Arda Xi

TFC was created in 1996

also, alex, that post wasn't made on october 10, 2007 ;-)

if you count TFC, it took 9 years in total

don't know what whomever wrote that article is smoking

alexanderpas

Valve Time Reality Bubble?

Arda Xi

8:45 PM

heh

alexanderpas

9:10 PM

ping @ArdaXi @FallenAngelEyes @tzenes @JuanManuel

Arda Xi

pong

Downvoter

pong

alexanderpas

Hello, @sblom, the question you've asked is not very well suited for our site, as there is not a single definitive answer.

Downvoter

9:24 PM

I commented on the question.

C. Ross

9:46 PM

that's awfully open ended ...

alexanderpas

yes, open ended, not to mention subjective, as it totally depends on playstyle.

BTW: our messages history: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/46/gaming?tab=stats

Kevin Y

Is the X axis days in the past?

alexanderpas

days, you can see the area where the beta was closed. (and it starts with 0 messages.)

Kevin Y

Over 9000 messages! :o

alexanderpas

yes, and also Over 8000! (Kai)

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